Thank you everyone for your answers.

Is stainless that much better than copper?

How about brass?

I guess I really ought to get a hammer chisel set.

I'm thinking of stenciling aluminum? Maybe getting a soda can, cutting a square out. stenciling the phrase on that. So it's waterproof and fireproof.

Any other ideas? Like. I know they sell stainless steel ones with fancy letters you can just put in order for stuff but they're pretty pricey. Me being poor living in my moms basement would like the cheapest, but also most effective thing possible.

Especially considering I have like .... 3 wallets, and will be adding some more later on.


To me my idea sounds like a sound plan. But... anyone have any concerns?

I like the can idea because it's cheap... And... I... think??? it would survive a fire??? ((anyone have any info on this?)) but it's certainly waterproof and better than just paper. If aluminum would melt at average house fire temps, which soft cheap metal wouldn't? Copper or brass?

It's cheap enough to make at least two to keep per wallet and store in the different location idea. which so far will just be in a safe in our house, and the other in the lock box at my families storage facility? Idk about that one tho. I feel vulnerable if the key is away somewhere even if in a locked garage in a lock box. So maybe not. I'll just put it in two different places here. So maybe one in the attic, the other in the safe? Idk. I dont think most burglars would look through books in an attack would they? I know the safe would be a target, if they pried it off the floor, and cracked into it. my only hope would be they wouldn't know what it is and just ignore it. Idk how smart criminals are getting. Thinking of maybe trying to make a poem out of it. So they wont really know what it is but I would. Idk...


Anyone have any ideas on safe storage of the recovery seed?

Thanks. I'm still pretty noobish to all this.

Any idea which DEX offers trades for XMR?

I realize XMR is what bitcoin was supposed to be, or intended to be.

Thanks. You know which one swaps for monero/XMR?

With lots of coins and is cheap transaction. DEX no KYC BS to deposit or withdraw.

I guess it's probably a bogus coin.

Individual start up stocks can be incredibly volitle, unpredictable and thus risky. My idea is like create a crypto currency for some upcoming program or thing you want to do. People buying the tokens helps fund your idea. If your idea is succesful then everyone who invested in your idea walks away with profits. If not, just like a failing stock, people lose.

Good anology and point.

Maybe a better question to ask would be when will crypto rival stocks?

It sounds interesting. But Idk if it's ever going to take off?

I'm still new ish but I see stuff like VeChain as like a stock that pays dividends. It's something that is going to be useful for the real world. It's like a tech stock.

Maybe some others. Cardano, Atom, they offer dividends but not really sure what they do in the real world. VeChain seems like it's an actual company.

Maybe one could start up a company. Make a crypto currency and get it listed and people buying it would be a way of investing in the company. Anyone think that might be the future as the crypto space grows? I like that idea, anyone can get into it. You dont need to open a brokerage account. In a way, you're skipping a middle man.

So a coin with a good reputation, that tracks things like gold, silver, or other comodities?

Maybe even uranium?


I'd love if they just started making crypto stocks or something lol.

Thanks for the reccomendation on the mixer service. I'll def look into that.

I'm still slightly confused on converting from bitcoin to monero, and sending monero to an address, if you convert with the wallet, like safepal has an exchange thing on there. No need to give any sort of info about yourself. you receive monero, then convert to bitcoin that has a new address. you guys are saying the original exchange where you bought bitcoin and converted to monero, can see where you sent the monero? I thought anything past the receiving address of monero can't be seen? Not sure.

I'll check the mixer, maybe it will be cheaper than all the sending and converting transaction fees.

Thanks for the replies. Mining is a no go for me due to not having the equiment and it becoming prohibitivly expensive.

But the bitcoin mixer ideas should work.


I've started out using bitcoin ATMs that dont require ID, just a number. But the fees are atrocious even for the cheapest ones I can find compared to online exchanges.

Yeah I've thought about peer to peer I've just been kind of worried about getting defrauded or something happening.

I'd figure even if you buy from an exchange, convert it to monero, or yes as someone pointed out, just buying monero to start with if that's possible, and sending it to then trade for bitcoin would be just as good as other methods.

" A footprint can be an address search on a block explorer, where you're revealing that you want to know the balance of that address to the block explorer and to your ISP."
Thanks for mentioning this. I may have don goofed already on that one.


Also... "even if the Monero Blockchain hides all the information, the exchange will have a user, mail, and IP for that transaction, so, that way isn't anonymous at all."

So the exchange can see where you sent monero, and from there, when you exchange monero for bitcoin even when done off from the exchange on another platform?

I'm thinking like on the safepal wallet. You can exchange crypto there, but there is no KYC.

Is this the most anonymous way? Buy bitcoin from any exchange. Convert it to monero, send monero to a wallet, and from the wallet swap or exchange it for bitcoin?

Is that basically a way to anonimize your bitcoin? If you buy from most exchanges, they have your info. But once it goes through monero, no one can see anything about where it goes. So when it's traded for bitcoin on your wallet, that could have came from anywhere. There isn't really a way to say where those funds came from right?

Or will they remain stable at least?

I think I like ADA anything better than what Eth can bring out. However I hold both. I started out with more eth but have just been stacking ADA because I like staking it for passive income.

You guys have any thoughts on this?

Might be worth mentioning I'm only talking about the binance app that comes with the safepal wallet. I don't have an account on the binance website.
I do see something kind of similar that will sort of help, in order list -> order history, if you dont do a ton of trading you can scroll down and eventually find the coin you bought. As long as you bought it with USDT you can know how much it is in that since it only tells you the price you paid in some other coin. So if you bought it with Binance coin, you have to look at the date, go to a website that gives you the historical price of BNB, find the date it was when you traded it in and convert that to dollars to get the price in USD. Issue is I mostly use BNB to trade with since it has lower fees so just taking a screen shot and labeling the date/time/price then n all that seems the most easy way to do it since I don't see any total gain/loss or price in USD I bought it for on the app itself. I've been trying to just keep a mental list in my head, pretty tedious.

I mean I have to take a picture/ screen shot on my phone of the coin. From there I have to save the pic I took, name being the date. So when I look at it again, I can see where the price was when I bought it, vs current.

Webull also has something similar, it takes some scrolling but it's there. Unless I'm missing something. I don't see anything on the Binance app.

The safepal Binance app. Is there a way to see the price you bought it for, and what it is now? I don't see anything about that. So far I've just took screen shots of when I bought a coin. I see there is a way to go back in the history of orders, but it's not easily accessible.

Robinhood just had a total gain/loss and easily scroll downable price history of what you bought and sold at. Dont really see that for safepals binance add on.