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401  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can trading be considered as gambling?? on: June 17, 2017, 05:32:08 PM
I want to know what you guys think about this, I have stopped gambling but still trade so does this mean I am still gambling?? I don't trade on basis of luck I trade using my skills would it still be considered gambling??

Please tell me what do you think.
Maybe to some other people trading is just the same thing in gambling. But for me, trading has big difference to gambling, in gambling you will loss first big amount of money before you win in the games.


I don't know, how op get the thought about trading with this comparison. Gambling is most riskiest investment option bitcoin but trading is preferable option for most of the people in the forum and outiside. Need to follow the price changes and work on it get the profit with the tactics. In gambling you need to depend on the luck factor only.

Gamblers will do trading to get back there loss. But the real traders never choose to gamble to waste their bitcoins. They only concentrate on their business. And trading is a profitable business, gambling it is a game here win, and loss depends on our luck. 1st preference is Luck next skills. but in trading 1st preference is skills and next luck.
402  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is more risky. Sport or casino bets ? on: June 17, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
Sports and casino are both risky,this is depending on the player in gambling site on how are they gonna handle it. But it is much good to play in sports betting than casino
betting.
Both have risk, but both are not same. Casino games are too risky games here we can not guess we will win our bet or not. But in sports betting, we can analyse the situation based on players performance and team strategy. This is quite better to compare casino games. You can able to win a couple of bets. You can not get the long run loss. But in casino games sometimes your bad luck you will get continued loss.
403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BITCOIN IS BETTER THAN WESTERN UNION ? on: June 15, 2017, 08:25:20 AM
Bitcoin has surpassed WU from a while already, and is better than WU in every aspect if you think about it, from the fees, the number of outlets, the ease of use, the privacy, the defensive abilities against fraud and the overall market cap and number of transactions conducted. I am wondering about the numbers now (and if we already reached PayPal or not).
I think bitcoin and blockchain thecknology will be the best remittance service. Bitcoin users has full control of their money, there is no strict rules or limitation in transferring money. We can send bitcoin anywhere and anytime as long as there is Internet connection.
There is no rules and restriction for bitcoin transaction. and also there is no limit for bitcoin money transfer. we can send N number of bitcoins from one country to all over the world. But if we convert that bitcoins to fiat currency we have to give bank details. Here the govt will ask how you got this huge amount? What will you give an answer? This problem is not there in WU it is a clear cut transaction. Now, which is better WU or BTC?
404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you convince people into you using Bitcoin? on: June 15, 2017, 08:19:52 AM
When i try to tell poeple about bitcoin they think of it as an illeagal way to get money thye think that i am hacking or stealling credit cards, or they think i gamble with it, the only way that you can convince them anout bitcoin is telling them how do you earn bitcoin from signiture campaigns on this forum, and how you can earn money from just speaking with peopole about differnet things.
Yes if we talk about bitcoin in front of friends or any other people they think we will earn it from gambling. Because they don't the other way of earning bitcoins. And if we explain about the signature campaign that also they will not understand in a single meeting. They will ask many cross questions. So don't go and tell anyone that you are using bitcoins. If anybody asked you about bitcoin then you can explain them they will concentrate.
405  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: June 15, 2017, 08:13:56 AM
Quiting gambling is not easy, we all love gambling and we all want to win in gambling, but if you really want to quit it is quite hard or not easy for us, is it not easy to quit for something that you love, try to quit little by little and suddenly you will realize that you have been moved on, dont rush things everything comes to a perfect time.
You have to quit what you love if it is not giving your fun anymore, it's useless to maintain a thing that will
only consume our money. Maybe we have to accept the fact that gambling is not for everyone especially the indiscipline people.
Yes gambling is not for everyone. But it will get attracted to everyone this is the problem. If the money is not involved in gambling, it is just a game means no one will get attracted. But it is free money giving the game that is why people will not control their emotions. If anyone knows about gambling, they feel like at least once we try this gambling. Like this person will addict to gambling. Addiction is easy but to quit gambling; it takes a long period.
406  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your favourite dice site for profit on: June 15, 2017, 07:43:11 AM
i have a question that how to playing dice with always be profit because during playing for dice i had bad results and i think it's very difficult to get steady profit from dice because this game results based from our luck however even my gamble results in dice game was pretty bad but i have several favourite dice sites such as primedice, rollin.io and fortunejack
I used to love fortunejack too but actually there was a time when they got red trust here and since then I stopped gambling there and hence I am not sure if I was in profit when I left or in loss. I recently made some good profit at bitsler but that said I am sure I will loose that very soon and guys rather than profit it's more important to know which site is more decent and enjoyable.
You are right all sites are same. Just the way of playing method will be different, and the games will be different. We can not say this site will give profit and this site will give a loss. It depends on our luck. So Fortunejack is also a good site to play casino games, and they give some free coins daily for 10 lucky players. But if you are looking for a safe and classy site to play casino games then Bitsler site is very good. They are maintaining the very good reputation, and other players and I also say very happy to play on this website.
407  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling loses and wins on: June 15, 2017, 07:36:39 AM
So.... how much have you win or loss gambling ?? And what did you stake ?
I've lost about $60 so far but im planning to win it back. Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.
A saying well said, however i still need to learn it since my greed is my downfall. Guys and girls
how much money have you made or lost gambling ? Any pointers or warnings ? 
Most in gambling you will loss in the end if you play often. but even is like that, still most players in the game became addict in a long run.
Once its happening it will be hard for them to win in the gambling site games. That's the average percentage was 90% in losses while in winning was only 10%.
They cannot be addict all the time because they will not last, after every wrong decision, regrets will come and I am pretty sure if you became addicted in gambling you will not enjoy what you are doing because you will keep losing. Therefore we have to be fully aware of the risk, and we have to understand that winning and losing is possible while losing happens most of the time.
The addicted gambler will only concentrate on winning they will not enjoy the games. The real fact is in gambling losers are more than winners. So at least we will get fun in gambling, but the addicted gambler will not get fun and also not money. And come to the topic according to me if you play skill games out of 10 games you will win or 2 or 3 remaining you will lose. And slot games we can not predict our winning it depends on luck.
408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much risk in bitcoin investement ? on: June 14, 2017, 01:41:37 PM
I think the OP is already happy if he really invested 3-4 bitcoin since he posted this thread last April. His money has already doubled if he really bought some. In investing the risk is always there 100% all the time so you have to think plenty times if you put your money in investment. For me bitcoin is a good choice as long as you know how to diversify your money in the world of crypto for sure you will be one of the many who became millionaire.
Bitcoin investment is a very safe way to increase your bitcoins you no need to do any hard work and you no need to waste time for this just invest and wait for a long time your income will come regularly. But before investing, we have to do a lot of research, and we have to spend more time to find where we have to invest. Once we get a legit place to invest then no worries just invest there and rest freely. Yup now OP may be made huge profit. 
409  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: June 14, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
It depends on how do you play it. It's wrong if you are addicted and wasting too much money to it.
However, for some peoples like me, it's fun and very important. It helps me relax and earn some money, makes me happy when i win some money  Grin
For you, gambling is not wrong because I am also like you I will not play gambling to earn money. I use gambling just for my relaxation purpose. And I agree that I will do sports betting, but I have not addicted gambler, and I will never make time for gambling. When I get free time that time, i will do. And one more thing what you said its right gambling would give good relax when we are in work pressure. We have many options to get relax, but for us gambling is good.
410  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Giving up gambling is not easy on: June 14, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
The time i decided to quit gambling its not easy to me because when i think my loses i want to gamble again. That time i decide to help my self not to gamble anymore. Now my life are good because more than a year i stop gambling.
Human nature is we always want to win but this is gambling dude where the edge is not on us, I know it's hard to accept defeat but we have no choice but to do it in order to minimize our loses, otherwise we will end up living in the street. It's the big risk that we neglected, we have to know the risk to understand why we have to stop gambling.

When you stop the usual activity that makes you happy specially in gambling games which you always got involved with it's not that easy. But what if you always out of luck and you end up loser most of the time and you felt disappointed because of the situation. There you must be choosing a big decision to quit or rehabilitate yourself so that you can overcome worst practices which made you loss a bigger amount of money. In order to quit in an easy way, you must be able to adjust all your habits into minimum until you pass the big test of your own.

Precisely. If we know that we are not winning anymore and just keep on losing in gambling every time we try it, then it just mean one thing, that we should QUIT IT right away so that we could prevent too many losses also to save our money and not to lose it anymore.

We have to be serious about quitting it and not just fooling ourselves that we are going to quit it, but the truth is not.

All gamblers know this truth that is we started to lose money in gambling we should stop our game and start some other time. But no one will follow this method. Qutting gambling is different and stopping you play at the right time different. Qutting gambling means never come back again to play gambling this is very hard to do for any gambler. But we can try to stop our play at the right time it will save some money.
411  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is the best sportsbet casino after Directbet.eu closed?? on: June 14, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
never try nitrogensports yet so i pick on sportsbet because i like their contest and event. but if for bet regularly i usually use cloudbet. can't pick 2 in here so i pick on sportsbet only

Try nitrogensports mate. It was not the best sports betting site but in the absence of directbet, I think nitrogensports is the leader right now in sports betting.
will gonna try it. ya too bad directbet close their services and i not see other site that good as directbet, actually not try the others yet
We will not find an equivalent site for Directbet site. But now we don't have any option to play sports betting. There are some sites like nitrogensports or Sportsbet.io and some more sites these sites will not provide odds like directbet but it is way right, so we must use any of one in these sites. I used Sportsbet.Io, it is good but very little odds for the creickt game.
i like sportsbet.io too maybe they don't have direct system like directbet do,but their wallet already help much when i want to bet. and withdraw is easy

I never felt the quality in sportsbet.io as I used to feel in directbet, it was a great loss for all of the dedicated sports gamblers. Nitrogensports is on top right now, have played in cloudbet too but nitrogensports is better.

Right the quality and quantity both the sports gamblers are missing. Quntity means the number of games especially the live events they will cover all the possible ways of bets in live events. Not only in soccer game tennis, cricket and all game. Now we don't have this type of sports site to do betting. Sportsbet.io has option like live betting, but they will not provide all games in this option. Only some football live events will come. I am really missing lot directbet site.
412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: If you have now 500$ for invest? Where you invest? on: June 13, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
Same question as in topic.
Where you invest your money today?
Btc, Ltc, Eth, Lisk or what?



I would invest long term for bitcoin i think is good to buy now with price dumping. Ether will be my second choice for a short trade. I also love Xem for long trade cause it also has big potential is like a sleeping giant.

The amount is not less and not high, so my suggestion is instead of investing in bitcoins, you can buy some new altcoins. We have many new altcoins in the market, and they come up with good and strong technology. In future, they will become more popular. And one more thing the altcoins will not take much time to increase the price. Within 2 or 3 days the price will be double. And you can buy many coins at a time with your $500 capital amount.
413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: which coin is best for tradding??? on: June 13, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
Buy/Trade coins with high volume, this is for short trading. But as for me one of the coin i will be holding is Xem (Nem). As for bitcoin just buy on those dips and hold.
I go for long term coins like ETH ,Waves and Dash coin .Short trade is also good but you have to have atleast a good amount for you to earn a much better profit and so you can do cut loss .
ETH is best but now the price increased so for daily traders this is bit expensive, you have big investment then you can try this coin. Future purpose supposes if you hold for a long time then buy ETH and hold it I will give you the assurance that you will make a good profit. Not to wait for a long time just hold it for this year end you will make min double profit. Aprt from ETH, the Waves and Dash coin is also good to trade.
414  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel shameful for being a gambler? on: June 13, 2017, 03:02:19 PM
Go guys!
In many cultures and countries is gambling consider as a bad thing which only the poorest and silliest ones do. Many gamblers try to hide that they gamble from their friends and families and feel really shameful for that. Do you consider gambling as a bad thing? Do you feel shameful or proud for being a gambler? If it is shame what you feel what do you about it? How do you hide you're a gambler and who do you hide it from?
Let others know!
Of course I'm not. I always gamble woth discipline where in I only play what I can afford to lose. I think it would be shameful if we choose to gamble what all we have where in we can not afford to lose it.
Yes in gambling if we use the money how much we can afford then it is fine, and we no need to worry about others. But the money exists and start to use personal money then we must worry about others. Not outside people your family members know that you are wasting money in gambling it is a really shameful situation. But gambling within your control is good. I don't feel shameful because I can control my feelings in gambling.
415  Other / Archival / Re: Do you think that you're addicted to gambling? on: June 13, 2017, 02:51:35 PM
I hope my experience will help others when it comes to staying away and avoiding gambling games. There will always be a way to stop gambling addiction, you just need to make yourself believe that you can do it. And there are a lot of people that can help you with every struggle of your life, you just need to ask them.

I agree with you and at the same time the saying, If there is a will there is a way.  It all depends on how we wanted to change once we know we are trapped in addiction.  But the only problem is recognition that we are addicted or not.  If we failed to recognize and accept things.  We can never be able to escape or recover from addiction.  It all start with acceptance, then will and dedication.  Though I can say, I am far from being addicted in gambling because I can fully control myself and I do not mind if I can gamble or not.

Always remember that quotation, if there's a will, there will always be a way for it. And I have seen a lot of my friends that used to be an addicted gambler but they managed to come out of it. We do have our own preference when it comes to solving our addiction, it's a sickness and it must be cure or better do some preventive actions cos' prevention is better than cure.
As a gambler we are the one who make the decision when to get in and get out, if we have a problem and we get addicted I think we should quite on ourselves because there is always a solution whatever problem it is. You need to accept that you made mistakes and move on, if you can correct then it's good to say but if no chance after every effort you have to forget gambling at all.

We may have the decision when to get out or get in but once you are in, the problem is that you can't get out of it easily. There are major problems that gamblers who want to come out but they can't. It's either they are totally addicted in gambling, whether they win or lose they just love to play and for the recovery of losses.

Yeah. Sad thing is that there are people who can't be under "theres a will therea a way" saying. Some people may think they have the will to stop but their mind and bodies would do otherwise. These cases are severe addiction most of the time requires help from several people. Professional help alongside support from family and friends are the best help that these people can get.

The addicted gamblers must require the family support and friends support and professionals help otherwise they can not stop gambling. Gambling addiction is very dangerous than any other addiction. It will make us in deep pressure and full tension suppose if we lend money from my friends or others to gamble and lose that money. we can not imagine that situation. Thank god i am not addicted to this gambling.
416  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does experience matter in gambling? on: June 13, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
It will always matter, why im saying because there are people wich does studies the market, the teams, collect information and them make their bets, while newbies just bet without any information, sure the lucky is the key of the sucess at the most gambling but strategy and information will always let you with better ods to win.
Yes we need the experience to analyse the market and to analyse our betting odds. The newbies will suffer in the beginning to choose right bets because they don't have any experience in gambling. Not in all games only in skill games, they will face problems, and they may lose some money. So here definitely we need the experience to control our money flow in gambling. Once we learn how to analyse the bets, then our luck will decide we will win our bet or not.
417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Saving bitcoins on: June 12, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Saving Bitcoin is really a good idea for the future purpose, it will lead a good outcome when its value will increase, also it can be used in the urgent moment. It will be great asset in the future...
Yes if we save bitcoins means it will help when we need urgent money. This is the best asset to make money in future. Not only bitcoins the other altcoins also give good profit in future. Actually now we have saved more altcoins because the price is low and we can buy those coins. If it reaches high price, we can not afford that price. So save any cryptocurrency it will help ou in future.
418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: All cryptocurrencies vallue dropping fast atm on: June 12, 2017, 06:56:36 PM
Guys, I have some more bad news coming in. The BTC-e site has been down for well over half an hour now. I hope it is just another DDoS attack, and not a hack targeting the coins in the hot wallet. And BTW, the Bitcoin exchange rates seems to have stabilized a bit. I am analyzing the rates in bitcoinwisdom.com, and the prices seems to have stabilized at $2,500-2,600 levels.

It's practicly every bitcoin supplier that is having issue's, i guess to many ppl where trying to buy in on the low price.
I've been scavenging tons of websites and most of them have their limits lowered or where either not working or where either asking a shitload of transaction fee, its outrageous, anytime the BTC downs, it seems to be very very hard to get a decent amount of bitcoins..
Already bitcoin price drops $400 in half day. this is huge loss those who are waiting for to hit $3k. I don't know for what reason the price dropping. it went up to $2550, but now it is recovering. Maybe you right the price is going to stable at $2500 to $2600. But still, it is a good price and those who are waiting to buy bitcoins this is the best time. I hope it will recover slowly.
419  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: can gambling give you lessons in life? on: June 12, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Yes, its gives lot of lessons in my life because it teach me how to value a money, time and things. Sometimes a gambling gives a lesson gives us opportunity in discover many things in our life. Gambling gives lesson in positive like we become winning at the end if we try to reach our goal and our goal is to win and to earn. We can learn the importance of time. We learn that sometimes we need to use our skills and knowledge in gambling because it is very important to our selves. I have learned a lot and control our selves, and learn how to save money.
One thing i must agree that gambling will teach the value of money. and time and other things are next, but it will teach us how hard to earn money in real life. Before doing betting, we think only future that means if we win our bet how much money we will get. We will never think if we lose that money means how hard to earn that money back in real life.
420  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: It is not worth it, right? on: June 12, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
The house makes money when people are losing, so I think it's in their interest to make it less likely that users will make money on it, that's why I think that's not a good idea, unless you're really into it for fun.
Obviously, whether or not some people will win or some people will not, the fact that they are winning or losing, some of it is gotten from the players pockets and other ways that they can get money. Ultimately, it's the house that is winning.

That is true, the house always wins in the end. There would be players that win but the amount of players that win are probably less than 1% of the total number of players if you look at it in the long run. Because gambling is the business of the casinos, they will always win in the end.

i agree with you but i think it's not that worse. think about it, if only 1% of gamblers are actually winning, why would anyone want to be in it at all? i don't think anyone gambles to delibarately lose money. the winning percentage is way more than that but you're right in the fact that the number of people with losses are a lot more than those who are winning.

You can calculate from anywhere finally the winners are casino owners and the losers are players. Not only in casino games site if you check in sports betting site also the same result. House says only 1% edge but it id for us or house we don't know because we only lose every time and house only win at the end of the day. It is only worth if you play for fun.
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