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Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone watching?
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on: May 01, 2013, 03:33:14 AM
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This is starting to look more and more like 2011... If that is indeed the case then there should be a battle to break through below $120.
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Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Supernode Summit Finland 9.-12. May 2013
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on: April 30, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
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Please consider carefully the next summit venue. I suggest Silicon Valley, e.g. in Mountain View close to the Google Campus. - Invite local VC and Singularity Summit style keynoters, and pitch it at legacy regional investment firms competing for wealthy young risk taking clients, e.g. the Winklevoss twins.
- Incorporate a demo day with bitcoin awards for best bitcoin start up pitch & demo.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 08:40:58 PM
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But the fact that so many sellers are hoping to rebuy lower leads me to believe they may not have the opportunity. That's exactly what happened back in the summer of 2011. After the first bubble peak, much of the commentary around here was 'was that the bottom?'. The bubble decline takes so long to play out because the most reluctant buyer gets the best price - and there will be a lot of buyers as you say.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
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Perhaps we just continue on the adaptation curve set on January: On average, every week sees a 15% price appreciation. When we go to uncharted territory, and go to 50%-100% per week, that is bubblish and due for a correction. Or maybe the 4-5x annual bitcoin price increase 2010 to Dec 2012 is enough to persuade your customers to buy and hold. No need to include the Jan-Feb rate which I argue is part, maybe the most important part, of the bubble.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 08:27:54 PM
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In 2005 gold became affordable for mainstream. Look at the chart what happened to its price in the subsequent years. Wonderful chart that would support your point except that well known gold bubbles have different time frames than yours.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 08:20:05 PM
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Bid sum is $5 million higher than at the price peak. But is your belief weakened by the likelihood that a great many of those bids below $120 are simply waiting to spend the cash raised when they sold earlier? My sleep-at-night bids are already there. Who here with $ at gox does not have some bids in place? Maybe new money is waning and their lack of bids is obscured by the new bids from recent sellers. And note those new bids are relatively larger in amount due to profit taken.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 05:52:25 PM
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All of the recent developments warrants this price we are at. Ah yes. But back in January, the price was warranted too - at $13.50. We all can see what has changed in those months, but the flood of new money that was the biggest change - appears to be waning.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 05:37:48 PM
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In a Suckers Rally, the only suckers are the ones selling bitcoins in a hyper-deflationary currency. The usual notion of Sucker's Rally is to distinguish buyers who are misinformed about valuation, as subsequent price action reveals. Let's see what happens. You joined in time for the first bubble collapse back in June 2011. Do you recall the steady, gut-wrenching decline from the $20's down to $2? I do. It's little comfort withstanding a 90% drop in value knowing that bitcoins will eventually be worth $$$ each.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 30, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
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20 days after the April 10 peakThe most significant resistance to increasing bitcoin prices is currently above $145. The recent peak at $160 has not yet been surpassed. Now that 20 days have elapsed after the all-time-high of $266, the amount of buying enthusiasm that used to arrive each Monday morning is waning. Based upon the decline back to underlying trend predicted by speculative financial bubble theory, and comparison with the June, 2011 bubble, I expect the trading emphasis to shift to defending the support at $120, rather than pushing above $160 to new highs. I believe, that until $120 is breached to the downside, the way down will be primarily motivated by profit taking, and below $120 by loss-staunching and periodic capitulations. What would negate the case for a the short term bear market? New high prices, in particular a new all time high. What would confirm the case? A long battle at $120 with a breakthrough to lower prices, in particular a low below $60. Sentiment continues to cool 20 days post bubble peak, e.g. Google Trends, Reddit. I sold some more bitcoins at $135 and have outstanding sell orders below $150, attempting to raise more $ selling into what I think is a Sucker's Rally.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore
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on: April 30, 2013, 03:57:10 PM
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Trying to accomplish? Nothing, people are selling...
I'm skeptical that a 5k market order to sell is the best way to get the most money for your 5k coins. It's also odd to see fairly large asks walls pop up right at the bottom of the drop. Agreed, I asked that question some days ago. There appears to be a significant amount of large-order trading that is sub-optimal, in that certain alternative tactics may be better: a limit order lets the other side come to you with no slippage, or a big order should be sliced up and targeted at select counter offers over a period of time - and program trading can automate that too.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore
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on: April 30, 2013, 03:46:54 PM
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Has anyone tried to analyze what these short down moves are trying to accomplish? It does not seem to be to just suppress price as it always bounces back fairly quickly. What is the underlying motive then? Just trying to learn.
Either profit-taking - which is the case for buyers after April 12, or stop loss - which is the case for buyers above current prices. In the first case, the motive is to realize a gain in dollars. In the second case the motive is to prevent further losses. I do not impute a manipulation motive where greed and fear are sufficient.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Arepo's Detailed Price Analysis and Projections
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on: April 26, 2013, 04:57:01 PM
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i suspect that new traders played an important role as well, possibly panic selling after buying into the overzealous rally (panic and greed in the same week!). You could make the same statement about every Sucker's Rally. Do you see any evidence that one just peaked? I have only my feeling from watching Moody that selling is the theme now.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case
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on: April 24, 2013, 03:23:47 PM
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A brilliant thread. Thanks so very much! I've revised my short term opinion about the price. We'll probably touch at least $200, maybe even a new ATH before the bubble crashes for good. I'm almost 100% cash on MtGox and I stand to lose (in BTC terms) if I buy back above $190 or so.
Regardless, I'm not comfortable buying. Things are happening too quickly, this is bubble all over again, and I'm not willing to spend all my time watching the charts and keeping my finger on the Sell button. " this is bubble all over again" Technical patterns in price, e.g. a bubble, are typically fractal with respect to the time domain - right? So it's turtles all the way down.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: TA is pseudoscience
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on: April 23, 2013, 11:46:26 PM
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The same patterns present themselves over and over....for a reason. I do not think Bitcoin is magically immune from regular market forces and crowd psychology. And with the extreme lack of solid fundamentals other than overblown press releases, I contend that TA is often the only thing we have. +1
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