Well folks, that is how you spin a quote out of context. |
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I don't get it, I just don't get it. That's 400 000 dollars. That's 4 years of wages for an upper-middle class American.
I just don't get it.
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 just a few bitcoins shy of 40 000. Counting down the days to Sept. 9th, I don't even know what to expect anymore.
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Forgive my ignorance, but is there an updated spreadsheet around here?
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Yep, when I first found out about bitcoin, bruce's sites were some of the first I encountered.
Lots of new users, when they see all these sites that don't accept paypal, google "bitcoin paypal" or something similar. Bruce's site bitcoinme.com is usually on the first page of google results.
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https://i.imgur.com/6oZVa.jpgTo be honest, I'm sure all kinds of blackmail threats are made towards candidates every election year. What's notable about this one - hoax or not - is that it became public. where'd you get that? No, but seriously, where'd you get that? Google search by image turns up nothing... Strange |
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I think that NY address is just a primo remailer service.
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Yeah, that is a fake news site. Like The Onion, but not funny. Right, and right. Somebody from this forum saw that and decided to get some free bitcoins. That's my theory. |
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increase to 190 BTC, por favor.
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I don't understand how advertising can sustain a website. I probably haven't clicked on a single ad since I was a little kid.
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Here is an old small program that I found that illustrates the kind of problems you get with using the double type: #define test( v1, op, v2 ) if( v1 op v2 ) printf( #v1 " " #op " " #v2 "\n" )
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main( )
{
volatile double a, b, c;
char buf[ 50 ];
a = 13.06;
b = 0.54;
sprintf( buf, "%lf", a + b );
c = atof( buf );
printf( "a = %lf, b = %lf, c = %lf\n", a, b, c );
test( c, >, 13.60 );
test( c, ==, 13.60 );
test( c, <, 13.60 );
test( a + b, >, 13.60 );
test( a + b, ==, 13.60 );
test( a + b, <, 13.60 );
return 0;
}
When I run this (compiled with VC++ under Win32) I get the following output: a = 13.060000, b = 0.540000, c = 13.600000
c == 13.60
a + b > 13.60
The first two lines of output are fine but note that 13.06 + 0.54 is > 13.60 due to the use of the double type here. I see. That's very interesting. Thanks for digging that up CIYAM. What's all those pointy arrow things? Why is it all in lower case?? How can it function without GOTO's???
Nice work, good going for 3 weeks and you seem to be getting some great advice here.
All I'd like to add is try stuff. If you have an idea that seems weird try it out and see what happens and have a look at different languages, there are some really cool ones. It took me ages to get to grips with even really simple programming and OO still makes no sense to me, fortran and assembler just clicked though (some ba$*@rd got me learning basic when I was young). Try not to forget to comment the code to, its surprising how little sense stuff makes when you dig it out years later.
Good luck with it.
Will do. I've been making a point of commenting, will do even more in the future. Ha, in 6th grade I taught myself a little bit of qBasic, it's all coming back to me now. I remember all those messy GOTO loops I made. I never really thought much more about programming until pretty recently. Well, besides TI calculators. |
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Splitting bitcointalk up would be a mistake, and it will not solve the problem of scams. The scams found in the lending and securities sub-fora are just a small subset of the scams present on bitcointalk - there are also scams in mining, newbies, trading, and all of the other marketplace sub-fora. I don't know what the answer is to preventing bitcoin scams but it is not this.
Gavin wants to sever the entire marketplace. To be honest, I'm not sure that's a bad idea. The Bitcoin world has grown large enough that it could probably sustain a stand-alone market-place messageboard, I think it would be a healthy thing if people relied less on this forum as a primary means of promoting their businesses. Scams have come to dominate the conversation here because they've taken place here. Had they not been launched and promoted here, there'd still be discussion of them but not thread after thread of "where's my money" across multiple forums. The number and scope of scams is only going to increase so we need to think about ways to ensure that they don't continue to be the dominant topic of discussion here. I agree. |
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His reputation is definitely not worth $100k, anyway, let alone $300k
Good point. I still don't think he has it in him to be a scammer though. If he fails to pay out, that's exactly what he is. The scammer tag wouldn't just be a formality of the bet; no, he would actually be a scammer to all who placed bets, by risking nothing for $300,000 "in case" Pirate pays out. |
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laughing very hard right now.
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Splitting bitcointalk up would be a mistake, and it will not solve the problem of scams. The scams found in the lending and securities sub-fora are just a small subset of the scams present on bitcointalk - there are also scams in mining, newbies, trading, and all of the other marketplace sub-fora. I don't know what the answer is to preventing bitcoin scams but it is not this.
Gavin wants to sever the entire marketplace. |
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Saying "I told you so" only helps the ego of those saying it, and certainly doesn't make bitcoin look any better to the average joe who's learning about bitcoin. Right, it's all the fault of the people begging and pleading to get others to listen and not the fault of those who refuse to listen. What the community needs is a 100% consistent vocal "this is a scam" response to everything that has the hallmarks of a scam. When scams break, the community needs a 100% consistent vocal "you were told that was a scam" response. What looks bad to the average Joe is someone saying "prove this is a scam" when it's an *obvious* scam. A community that is 100% intolerant of scams would look nice. That's also a good point. Personally, I'm generally very timid to come out and say when I think something looks like a scam when no one else does. It's become easier for me to jump on the "scam!" bandwagon as of late, thanks to Joel, Micon, Gavin et al speaking their minds. I think one possible solution worth exploring would be to create a seperate domain for anything under "marketplace," as Gavin recently suggested. |
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I don't think it should be done purely for the sake of preventing the possibility of this domain being seized.
I understand the desire of the mods to avoid having to make judgements about the various high risk investment opportunities being made here, but I think that sometimes works against the interests of the community.
People can continue to post here as VIP members and promote other schemes even when one of their ventures owes large amounts of money to its users. While I'm not sure that the "scammer" tag is appropriate for those people, the absence of any kind of "flag" can be seen as tacit endorsement given that people have been given the scammer tag for a whole lot less. The scammer tag is of little use if it's not applied to people who are still actively peddling their wares here despite major, unresolved financial problems from other ventures.
Moving some of the forums promoting high risk ventures to another domain might be one option for dealing with the perception that this community both allows and supports the promotion of scams. I don't totally buy the argument that various scams damage the perception of Bitcoin per se, but I do think that scams which are born in this community and promoted in this community damage the credibility of these forums, and that we'll start seeing more legitimate operators abandoning this community to avoid having their own services associated with what currently looks like a scam incubator.
At this point, I agree with everything you just said. |
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to be fair though, it was mainly zyk that was accusing me, and noone ever really knows for sure what he's saying.
I lol'd. So true. Good point, I didn't remember who said it. I've resisted commenting on this drama because I didn't want to add to the noise. Obvious scam or not, the bitcoin community should not be attacking itself over this. Saying "I told you so" only helps the ego of those saying it, and certainly doesn't make bitcoin look any better to the average joe who's learning about bitcoin.
Since it appears yet another bitcoin scammer is going to get off scot free I can no longer bite my tongue. It is bad for bitcoin if Pirate is let off. Why are his "lenders" still so silent? Why is Pirate being allowed to make ridiculous demands when people know his identity? Even if Pirate is going to pay out (as unlikely as that seems) his actions have been far from honourable and his lenders deserve restitution.
Eyes on the prize people! Don't let this scumbag manipulate you into turning on each other or make unreasonable demands. It is his lenders who should be the ones making demands, and half a million dollars of debt should more than justify some pretty serious action.
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Another thing to at least be aware of (in terms of bad habits) is that the use of float or double types for any professional financial software would be considered a very bad idea (unfortunately though Standard C++ doesn't provide an alternative type for this).
I'm assuming this is because they're only 32 bit integers? Or is it because of the inaccurate way that these data types store decimals? |
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