http://launch.avalon-asics.com/seems to have been down for at least an hour ------------ There appears to be an error with this site. If you are the site administrator, here are a few things you can do: Redeploy the app in the Dashboard (Deploy Latest). Ensure there are at least 2 web instances for redundancy. Submit a ticket recording the error and outcome of Actions 1 & 2. ----------- any word on the "secret thing" that is already on board that the site talked about? expandability? Hey! DDoS'd. I guess this means we now matter. p.s. this is not a problem at all, nothing to worry about. |
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If you are going to start trolling your potential customers, you may want to start trying harder. Maybe Inaba will give you a quick lesson.  He isn't a potential customer. As for trolling... think what you will. All he did was repeating what I've established as fact, and all I did was made sure he didn't miss it. Seeing how he pops up every 2-3 pages talking about how I've yet to provide a tracking number. If this was on purpose however, I'd like to start ignoring him. What do you expect SysRun? reply to you with things like "Sorry, I have no new information" every 2-3 pages? |
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Also pretty funny how you can spend 400 dollars on shipping without getting a tracking number.
Did you miss the part where I mentioned I will forward tracking number as soon as it is made available to me, OR Did you miss the part where I mentioned due to CNY there is multiple problems getting the package out of mainland, OR Did you just wish to continue to repeat the fact I have yet to give out a tracking number. Please tell me it's #3 so I can start ignoring you. |
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I will of course be in NY when order happens, better hosting has been acquired. I do not for see any problems. We try to only make the same mistake once.
So does that mean once you are back in NY in 2 days, you'll be also addressing those Batch 1 order questions and tickets or have you all together abandoned those customers? You can be sure it'll be addressed. It's less of an actual issue rather it's more of an cosmetic problem. I do not have my hardware 2 factor auth to change the server database, but I came to china with an export list of customers and such. they are more or less fixed, just require me to sync once I get back into NY and send out a email letting the customers know. I've told the same thing to everyone effected, but I guess people just won't feel safe until that order status page changes. Pretty funny how we trust the system controlled by the person more than the person itself now a days... |
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Dear Yifu,
can you explain how you will overlook/manage the second wave of orders if you are not in NY where you have full access to the backend (as that seems to restrict you from answering customer questions and address opened tickets).
Better hosting this time so the site does not collapse under the load of thousands of potential orders placed?
I will of course be in NY when order happens, better hosting has been acquired. I do not for see any problems. We try to only make the same mistake once. |
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Amazing how shipping deadlines of their own making seem to bring out the true colors of these vaporware vendors. Hey thanks at least for dropping the phony professionalism BitSyncom.
I'm just a human being. p.s. Since people are suggesting I get removed for potential scam, can I report people for slander also? |
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BitSyncom,
What about Lancelot upgrade program. Will all Lancelot customers be able to get 399 USD discount for their Lancelots as promised? Can you write a bit more about how shall we proceed with ordering/payment in case we do upgrade?
10X
This matter has been addressed and updated in the first thread. |
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I spent a lot of time during the last days (or weeks) on the forums considering a big investment on the Avalon ASIC. I tough that even if my english is far from perfect, i should have opened this thread explaining my reasons to people that didn't have the time to spend here as i did. 1) Jeff will not receive its order before the batch starts sellingIf you pay 400$ to ship something (rumors are that the custom agent was corrupted to let the Avalon unit pass trough) you get a tracking number. God, i just spent 400$ to ship something, i need to know where it is in real time. I need to know when it will arrive. If the parcel was to arrive before the second batch, Avalon would know it and would be confident about it. They are instead suggesting you that hey, you might lose your place on the second batch if you wait for Jeff. 2) They need to order components before this weekend because they cleaned the market out of resistors and capacitorsHell, yes. We need components! You know, this stuff is hard to find and it takes 4 week to have it. What kind of components? Sci-Fiction stuff? No, resistors. RESISTORS! Once that Avalon discovered the community is smart enough to realize that you can't run out of resistors in China, they changed the supposed-missing components to mosfets and "inductor". People that know their stuff better than i do thinks that the only pratical use for mosfets in the Avalon is to build a custom PSU. Something that doesn't make any sense. You have problems building the Avalon, you don't need to get things worse house-producing a PSU.They could have said that they need to have some other chips from the FAB and that the fab will work during the CNY (i don't think that intel closes its productions line on their multi billion dollars fabs during the holidays). That would have made sense to me. 3) They will not publish a video of the Avalon mining before the batch starts sellingThe original plan was to post it before the end of the 2012. No one saw it. It simply dosen't exist. There is no reasons not to show a little video of the Avalon mining if it does exist. This recalls me Tom when he didn't want to post pictures of the chips he should own. 4) They will not try to smash the network for a small period with their 100 ASIC to prove that they are out thereJust turn them on for 2 hours, we would notice. They didn't do this. They will not. 5)
Did they told you (chinese customers) the reason of the delay in shipping? It cannot be customs there.
No, I personally have heard no Chinese customers receiving their products. There was no explanation in this post. I will change my idea if: 1) There is a video of the Avalon mining that convinces me and my standards 2) Jeff receives the Avalon at least 6 hours before the second batch, so that he has the time to show us something. The BS about keeping the competition at the obscure of the fabulous progresses the Avalon team did in the dark field of the ASICs doesn't hold anymore.I hope my thread to be appreciated. By no reasons i want to troll. I wanted to be a customer. 1. Actually, chance of Jeff getting the unit on Thursday is pretty good, but of course there is a chance he won't like I mentioned. if you choose to read that has Jeff will not receive the unit that's not my problem. 2. It is what it is. there's a mountain of shit to order. 3. Let me explain something to you, and everyone else here, all of the evidence, short from a review from a trustworthy third-party can be faked. I rest easy thinking Jeff and Bitcoin Foundation is a good choice. 4. Let me quote Inaba here: "You are a fucking idiot." The BS about keeping the competition at the obscure of the fabulous progresses the Avalon team did in the dark field of the ASICs doesn't hold anymore. Why the fuck not? I think I should have taken orders like BFL, screwed people with their backorders, then I'll not run into any of the problem I currently run into order parts and shit. Now some how I'm the greedy one? Get real. In addition, We at Avalon still do not believe BFL will ship a working product during the next month, Feb, 2013, so we are being cautious. Or consider this, a real bigshot IC company comes out and produces a 40nm, or lower Bitcoin Mining ASIC, and everyone will be kind of screwed. small batches allow the network to scale properly and minimize risk for both parties, the seller and customer. Whatever though, at this point I don't expect anyone to understand. But speaking of greed, Let me give you a dose of potential reality you should actually worry about instead of this bullshit. Let me tell you a story about greed, there's a follow situation as described on a Chinese forum which refreshed what I thought was the rock bottom for evilness in the human heart. The person, described Avalon as a scam, but not in the traditional sense where we did not make a working product but rather. We would upon "smoking day" chip success, issue a complete refund and start mining ourselves telling everyone the chip failed, then proceed to mining bitcoins at a rate about $40,000 a day. tl;dr; It is much easier for Avalon to scam people than you thought. Clearly you have been worrying about the wrong things. Don't order from us if our terms is not good enough for you. Please, save us both the trouble. |
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I would consider ordering some more if my current order was not still listed as "CANCELLED" after 3 weeks of contacting Avalon. Even BFL is more responsive.
I thought when I responded in the Avalon Shipped thread it was pretty clear I can't change any of the stats until I get back into NYC? but all the issues checks out since there was data stored, but callbacks were never made. |
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Batch two is now scheduled for Saturday, Feb 2nd, 2013... Good luck.The spec is 6.6 ~ 6.7w per Gh/s. Speed is greater than 60Gh/s, batch size is 600, each unit is $1,500, payment gateway is provided by WalletBit, units will ship starting March 6 th to April 5 th, 2013. Keep an eye on http://launch.avalon-asics.com as new information will be released on it every day until review happens. The following is the no bullshit, no fine print terms of sales for Avalon batch #2. - Bitcoin Only - Batch #2 of Avalon will only accept bitcoins. Only Bitcoin will allow us to move half a million USD in a few hours into places they are suppose to go to. This will also allow us to automate the order system. I am aware some EU and SA country will have importing issues due to customs, but I see a possibility for re-sellers to grow and take care of this problem.
- No Refunds - Avalon has always been a BTO - Build to Order unit, we order materials and parts based on the size of each batch, this allows proper financial management, eliminate back-orders and improve overall efficiency and workflow on how we work. How else did you expect us to produce a functional ASIC unit in the same length of time a competitor has been delayed?
- No Proof - Jeff and/or Bitcoin Foundation will get their unit and release reviews. Let me remind everyone what I've said month(s) ago, we can not stop people from tinkering and releasing information regarding our product, but we seldom will release any information. We will instead focusing more on killer features, some of which is already hidden in our unit. In this highly cutthroat competitive field, we do what we can to survive.
- Trade-ins - The original trade-in program mentioned will be honored here, $299 for Iracus, $399 for Lancelot.
I applaud every potential customer to think over this carefully, and make the decision seem right to you, and only you. Although I must say: life isn't about "making sure" but rather "enduring the uncertainty". p.s. You know Inaba, after all this I think I may have understand your mentality: that moment when people assault on what you believe to be the truth with assumptions and generalizations that has really no merit to the situation at hand. It is hard not to get mad. However, I must warn you, don't place trust in the wrong people and what they tell you; for when that moment comes you won't able to meet the advertised specifications, at no real fault of you own besides ignorance since you really believed BFL. Be ready to take the spear to the chest as you were their spoke person. I wish you the best of luck and hope BFL can ship on time for when that time comes this forum can go back into the ol' days of competitive spirit of reducing power consumption and increasing hashrate of each others product.
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How does cgminer know how to use the asic? It doesn't need any extra programming or drivers? (I'm honestly asking because I don't know. )
As I've stated before, Xiangfu wrote the Avalon driver module for cgminer. It was interesting to see in the #btcfpga IRC channel, Luke-Jr saying he had images of the inside of the Avalon. So any customers hoping to see them - I guess that a complete - "fuck you" from Avalon. They don't give a shit ... ... ... or they still haven't got the software working and wanted Luke-Jr's help. I wonder which it is? looks like 5 rows of 16 ASIC chips per board, and 3 boards per Avalon
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16 long by 5 high, per board
So that's 250MH/s per chip to get 60GH/s ... though it was Luke-Jr so who knows how reliable that info is. Slander, did not send Luke any photos, nor we asked him for help. |
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If you have trouble finding some mundane items like resistors and capacitors you have chosen the wrong type of component. There is no reason your board does not use the same type of components there are hundred of other digital board manufacturers around you using in much larger quantities. And if you have trouble you call the next distributor. A few hundred pieces of any resistor or capacitor of any halfway commonly used type can be had in hand in hours in any industrialized town from dozens of different places.
Maybe I wasn't being clear, Mosfets and Inductor is what I'm most worried about, not exactly resistors and capacitors, but it is clearly not a matter of few hundred pieces... In short, stop assuming; you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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we have cleaned the market of some certain parts like resistors and capacitors. We have to order directly from factories now Some others seem willing to go out of the limb to believe some hundreds of some commodity component which are usually used in batches of millions are a problem. I am not willing to believe this. However the ordering directly from factories is 110% total horsemanure. There is no way in hell any factory of a commodity component like resistors or capacitors is willing to even talk to you. You are struggling even be sufficiently large customer for any small-village-distributor to take you seriously. To them your few hundred units sound like home hobbyist product and they will treat their real customers first and they buy things like resistors and capacitors in millions every month of every year guaranteed. A distributor buys things like that in hundreds of millions every month from the factory and those are the volumes when a factory is interested to start to talking to you. I am not sure anybody much smaller than Apple or Nokia buys the cheap commodity products like resistors directly from a factory. A demonstration will come by a customer very soon, if you wish to wait until then, go ahead; but you then run into the risk of not making into batch #2, and where if I don't open orders now, I run into the issue not able to order parts before CNY, which has a pretty long lead time.
In normal world manufacturers order parts and manufacture the units and even ship out the working units and are paid much later like a month later. This is how things usually work in 99,9999% of all the cases and how things should work. Strange how in BTC economy that does not work. Also strange how each manufacturer seems to think that bending over backwards to purposefully spend effort to make them look like a scam is good for business. Name any company in fiat-economy that thinks this is a good strategy. Should not be hard. There are millions of companies in fiat economy to choose from. There must be something strange in customers in BTC economy. Care to do our parts order for us then? It sure is easy when you say it, I will seriously hire you if you can find me certain parts that's available for purchase and without a 4-6 week lead time delivery. Love when people make broad generalizations: the wider the generalization the less the person know about the topic. and some times, we get into the 0.0001% ( just mirroring your completely baseless data as a comparison. ) I am in awe by amount of your stupid so dense that has formed a black hole, but is still leaking. edit: see this shit? I don't post anything, people bitch. I post actual problems, people think I'm lying. I applaud you not to order from us ab8989. |
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I should probably say Jeff's unit, I paid about ~$400 USD to "get it out of the country", so it is definitely on it's way and I'm sure it'll arrive before this week ends assuming there's no problems with US customs.
Again, only a matter of time.
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Confucius says, “Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.”
then answer this, "How was this any different than batch #1 of Avalon?" I'm not imposing anything. A demonstration will come by a customer very soon, if you wish to wait until then, go ahead; but you then run into the risk of not making into batch #2, and where if I don't open orders now, I run into the issue not able to order parts before CNY, which has a pretty long lead time. Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. This has nothing to do with pride. |
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Why does everything have to be so darn odd? Does avalon like the attention and drama?
Complete opposite, We did some time tables and realized our greatest time waster was us smashing trolls and "convincing" potential buyers in a market where demand far exceed supply. Frankly speaking at this point we are not even going to deal with slander and other false comments. "Truth does not become more true by virtue of the fact that the entire world agrees with it, nor less so even if the whole world disagrees with it." |
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................ and everything will be clear then.
This includes also, that the other customers will know when they get their units? Currently you would have sent about 108 units! Ah actually, this is probably something I should update, the original plan is to assemble one and send one, of course this isn't working out, we currently have sent a batch of 53 to a different route, as it currently stands, this 53 has the biggest chance to make it out of the country, then we can attempt again if the news make it back to us before Feb 2. which is the deadline for getting things out of the country before CNY. Honestly, this is probably something we underestimated and I'd like to personally apologize for having similarity with BFL, it is so pathetic. Then again though, since we did originally promise to ship everything out before Feb ends I don't really see a problem with this. As for new information, we are still dealing with the custom issues I've previously mentioned, but Jeff should receive his units within this week, and everything will be clear then. You seriously believe that shipping one unit to one customer will make you earn 750k$ in preorders? During the weekend, maybe? Dude, It is up to us. He has nothing to believe in. We are the ones to decide if he will get 750K or zero. From what i see here the answer is yes he will sell 500 batch in 20 mins max if the site does not hang:) Let me refresh your memory first batch 300 units was sold for less than 20 minutes or so even though Avalon was about three mounts behind from shipping compared to BTCFPGA and BFL promises Couldn't have said it better myself, I'm writing up the batch #2 pre-sale thread right now. |
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I wish that picture had something else next to it so I could get an idea as to how big it actually is.
Power connectors tend to be the same size wherever you are, so you can extrapolate from there. You don't know how big a standard computer ATX power supply is? |
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1. since when are people under the impression bitsyncom = avalon-asic? they are two different sites with completely different purposes. 2. the support url is http://support.avalon-asic.com not the forum.bitsyn.com which I've retired about a month ago already... As for new information, we are still dealing with the custom issues I've previously mentioned, but Jeff should receive his units within this week, and everything will be clear then.All team member is running around deal with other issues like securing parts for next batch of orders and such, to put things in perspective we have cleaned the market of some certain parts like resistors and capacitors. We have to order directly from factories now, mountain of work to do. to keep things interesting, here's a picture. |
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Don't know if you are sure about/willing to tell about this, but here goes:
When do you think the second batch will open for preorders? Any day now or much closer to March? And you will not be accepting credit cards, right? I'm a little nervous about store large amount of bitcoins for so long with the price fluctuations nowadays.
We plan to start accepting orders soon as third-part reviews come out. Honestly this is us being nice, to give those who are current in doubt some time to see the truth. I strictly believe that there isn't a "company" and "customer" relationship but rather a buyer and a seller, which is a person to person situation. Avalon can only provide information as it is, ultimately it is up to the buyer to make judgment about their potential investment as with all things Bitcoin. We don't have time nor wish to "convince" the unbelievers regarding the Avalon Project. It'll be anyday now, I expect third-party review to come latest by next week. We underestimated the shipping cost by like $80 per unit
I would suggest that for the second batch and beyond, for all US orders, that Avalon make one big shipment (or a series of medium-sized shipments) to Yifu in New York, who can then ship them himself (or with an assistant) to individual US customers by UPS or similar. This has been/is being considered as well, trust me when I said when are looking into other routes. |
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