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1  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 08, 2022, 11:26:11 AM

Wäre für mich persönlich auch mal ein sehr positiver gebrochener Trend, dass erst der BTC stark steigen muss bevor die Alts nachziehen, kann in dieser Phase jetzt ruhig auch mal anders herum sein.

Ich erinnere mich, dass es auch schon früher so war. In Bärenphasen wurde aus Langeweile Altcoins wegen vermeintlich besserer Features via pump and dump plötzlich populär. Ist auch ganz interessant, wenn man rechtzeitig aussteigt.

Ende der dot com bubble kam auch das große Erwachen, dass man den meisten ipo schmarren nicht braucht .. ICO, Forks, AirDrops, ...genau dasselbe. Incl Cough - SegWit - Cough
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: August 08, 2022, 11:22:31 AM
Managing any financial protocol for value settlement up to destroying op_codes capacity or any functionality is never good idea, even Saylor found that one out
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 07, 2022, 01:36:03 PM
We are so early. #Bitcoin


Can you imagine the value of Bitcoin, once its limited supply has been made legal tender by the entire population of Earth?

We already are at the stage of small country adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender. Once a big country like Mexico joins in(and they will), then we will see the next stage of adoption. I believe that Bitcoin will become the global world currency. It's coming in the next 2-5 years. Definitely.

Wont happen without fully neutral / flawless against regulation and without industrial open scaling onchain.

Oh, wait, there is Satoshi s Bitcoin doing that today
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: August 05, 2022, 07:54:49 AM
BSV Claims Ltd launches landmark Competition case potentially worth over £9billion
LONDON, Aug. 3, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Velitor client, BSV Claims Ltd  today begins a landmark competition case against major cryptocurrency exchanges seeking damages of up to £9.9 billion.

The claim is brought in the Competition Appeal Tribunal ("CAT") on behalf of an estimated 240,000 UK investors in Bitcoin Satoshi Vision ("BSV").  The claim, a legal first in competition law applying to the digital assets sector, seeks an opt-out collective proceedings order ("CPO") on behalf of the estimated 240,000 investors. The investors, or class members, are being represented by BSV Claims Limited.  BSV Claims Limited is a company limited by guarantee.  Lord Currie of Marylebone is the director of BSV Claims Limited. Lord Currie was inaugural Chair of both Ofcom and the Competition and Markets Authority.  Lord Currie is former professor of economics and also a former Dean of the Bayes Business School. 

The claim alleges that beginning in April 2019 UK BSV holders suffered losses estimated up to £9.9 billion as a result of the delisting of BSV by exchanges Binance, Bittylicious, Kraken and Shapeshift. 

Kraken and Binance are also alleged to have caused further losses to investors by forcibly converting BSV to other cryptocurrencies without investors' consent. The application states that the four exchanges combined in such a way as to breach the Competition Act 1998 by reducing, preventing, or distorting competition in the United Kingdom.

 The application claims that, among other matters, the four exchanges colluded to damage the prospects for BSV by delisting which prevented trading.  It is alleged the exchanges did this deliberately, harming BSV and reducing competition in the UK between BSV and other digital assets.

The application also alleges that the exchanges caused investors to lose money and gave them no meaningful opportunity to withdraw their BSV.  The case argues that the exchanges' actions curtailed BSV's ability to become successful, despite its inherently superior technology.

SEAMUS ANDREW, Founder and Managing Partner, Velitor Law: "Hundreds of thousands of people have potentially lost significant amounts of money, through no fault of their own, due to the actions of these exchanges and we are determined to help them win that money back.  This is a rare type of case, which has only been recently made possible in the English courts due to changes in the law in 2015.  We aim to show that these exchanges harmed BSV and caused financial hurt to many small, individual investors."

The exchanges made no attempt to hide their coordinated delisting of BSV.  The exchanges' intentions were communicated publicly over Twitter by leading cryptocurrency figures.

The application is being brought in the CAT. If the application is certified by the CAT, the case will proceed to trial at a date to be fixed.  A CPO is similar to a class action in the United States.  Both types of case involve a representative claim being brought on behalf of all people in the same situation (the "class").  This claim is brought on an opt-out basis which means that everyone in the class approved by the court is included automatically unless they choose to opt-out of the case.

1. The claim is for a collective proceedings order ("CPO") under section 47B of the Competition Act 1998.

2. The claim is being brought in the U.K. Competition Appeal Tribunal (the "CAT").  The CAT is a specialist court dealing with competition law issues.  It is a court of first instance, at the same level as the High Court.

3. The claim is supported by independent expert valuation evidence obtained from Oxera Economics.  Oxera is well-regarded economics consultancy with extensive experience of calculating damages in competition cases.

4. Oxera estimates the damage caused by the defendants at up to £9,938.1 billion, including interest to 21 July 2022.  Actual damages awarded will be determined by the CAT.

5. The damages received by investors will depend on the circumstances in which they held or sold BSV following the delisting. There are three distinct groups.  The first group suffered losses as a result of selling after the delisting because the delisting reduced the price of BSV.  The second group suffered losses because they were deprived on the chance of selling BSV for a much higher price, which BSV would have achieved but for the delisting. The third group suffered losses because they were customers of Binance and Kraken and had their BSV forcibly converted into different coins.  Investors in the third group were therefore deprived of the chance to sell BSV at higher prices that would have prevailed but for the delisting.
About Velitor:  Our ambition at Velitor Law is simple: we want to be the UK's most prestigious claimant disputes firm, bringing together the most perceptive and effective legal minds and backing them with unrivalled resources, progressive technologies and a clear purpose. We have a unique focus on claimants which, in turn, provides us with a single-minded mission to seek justice and recourse against seemingly insurmountable institutions. And our experience of handling high-profile cases, at the highest level, for them is second to none.

SOURCE Velitor Law


Other waking up?

Got scammed by fake exchanges fake usd tethered to fake bitcoin known btc?

Lets see how that goes and no CSW here... Ugh.. Smear trolls must find sth to smear that one

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread on: August 05, 2022, 07:48:47 AM
Funny hate rant, smearing ppl only.

Cannot fix stupid, same canot fix btc

BSV only works as bespoke and delivered. Legally AND technically

Learn and get over
6  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 24, 2022, 01:28:58 PM
Traden ist aber auf Dauer wesentlich sinnvoller als Hodln, vorausgesetzt man macht es halbwegs "richtig".
Da mathematisch zweifelsfrei bewiesen ist, dass man nicht mit höherer als 50%-iger Wahrscheinlichkeit "richtig traden" kann, ist Traden mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit für die Mehrheit der Menschen weniger sinnvoll als HODLn.
Studie: 85% aller Trader verlieren (auf Jahressicht) Geld.

Ja. Keiner kann jemals und gar auf Dauer die Zukunft vorhersagen und mit Spekulationen länger Geld verdienen, denn Spreads Kosten und Zeit muss man immer opfern.

Investing ist jedoch anders und man muss eher Insider sein und die Materie tiefer verstehen, auch langfristig sich orientieren und die Risiken / Rewards kennen inbes die Märkte. Dazu braucht es Regulation und die nachhaltigen Rewards... beides sehe ich nicht wirklichbei btc

7  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-07-14] Nic Carter vs. The Bitcoin Maximalists on: July 24, 2022, 01:18:48 PM
Oh boy, I could write a whole book about this!

How is bitcoin maximalism presently taken by everyone in bitcointalk? Is it still strong or is it beginning to become weaker after 10 years?

Perhaps the best way to explain it is by using examples and metaphors of the Republican party and its most notorious member (Trump).

A few notes before I begin explaining:
[1] I am not in any way implying that bitcoiners and nocoiners are similar to one or the other groups, I'm just drawing a comparison between them.
[2] Apologies for digging the dead out of the grave, but I chose Trump & conservatives for this example simply because most people are readily familar with him.

So you see Republican voters and conservatives, and you're a democrat/liberal and fundamentally disagree with their opinions. That's completely natural.

All bitcoiners who actively use bitcoins and altcoins are in a similar category. They are "moderates", people who don't mind what changes go inside the network as long as they don't adversely affect the way they use their money.

Of the maximalists category there are two different kinds, which I shall mention below:

The first is the "moderate maximalist". Politically speaking, there are similar to the republicans who (perhaps reluctantly) supported Trump, as opposed to, say, a rival republican, simply because they believed there was no better alternative in the red sphere - these are people who are quite horrified by some of his remarks, but they literally do not see another candidate who is more determined to fix the economy/country.

Most self-proclaimed maximalists fall in a similar category - they are happy with changes that improve the Bitcoin network, but care from little to none about what other people do on their own networks. Most likely they are against certain proposals for philosophical reasons, but not because their usage of cryptocurreny depends on them.

Because most maximalists are in this category, "moderrate maximalist" can be shortened to simply "maximalist".

Lastly, there are the fanatics. The people who would quite literally jump off a cliff if they saw Trump do it. In the bitcoin-sphere, I call these "extreme maximalists".

These represent people who insist the Bitcoin network be left exactly how Satoshi made it - with no soft forks that add rules & functionality of any kind [as a side note, this is how coins like Bitcoin XT/Gold/Unlimited/Cash/SV were made]. On the polar opposite, it also includes people who insist that a major archetectural change be made to the Bitcoin network at all costs. Like their political counterparts, it is very difficult to debate/negotiate with extreme maximalists as they have a tendancy to resort to personal attacks whenever their opinions are challenged.

Logically speaking, even people who exorbitantly denounce some coins in favor of others could be argued to belong in a similar category. The point is that, this category does not think in moderation with respect to the coins that they support (otherwise, they would be in the "moderates" category, but not in the "minimalists" category).

Of course, unlike politics, the crypto-sphere is not dominated by two parties. There are in fact more denominations of moderates, moderate maximalist, and extreme maximalist for each crypto currency. [examples: ETH/Ethereum Classic, Monero/Most monero derivatives, Bitcoin Cash/Bitcoin SV (LOL!), and others...]. So, crypto politics should not be viewed in greyscale, because it is a fully colorized picture with multiple hues Cool

A similar case can be made for nocoiners - the "moderate", the "moderate maximalist", and "extreme maximalist" nocoiner with similar grades as those above for Bitcoiners (and the appropriate analogue for the political parties example).

The point is that nobody's the same, and lumping some of these groups together in the same denomination is wrong - for example, lumping together the maximalist categories, or simply all the denominations representing a particular coin as "the anticrist", is going to cause more emnity than actual work being done, as the guy in the news article must've discovered by now [for example: I don't like Max Keiser's conclusions about the economy, as I believe them to be too extreme, but do you see me running around the forum trashing him in my posts?]

Nobody can vote what Satoshi created and gave his name to Bitcoin.

Maxilists see that. His work is conserved and set in stone by his own words

Now deal with it. Btc, bch changing all day, passing off is the result ending in sth else. Funny calling that still Bitcoin
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 24, 2022, 01:11:58 PM
BSV and IPv6

The true P2P solution is already here, always was, at scale


Learn more
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 16, 2022, 02:49:16 PM
All boxes checked ok by Randy
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 10, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
All the rest is already trash

Worse like from terra to luna and back to zero

Only true P2P scales and is true BitCoin

Few years, sooner
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 07, 2022, 05:58:07 PM

There was a long task open to answer all the questions, why was it all needed?

To save all that
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: June 26, 2022, 10:08:18 AM
The answer is just do SPV correct, Satoshi told ya

Why Merkle tree,

Why ordering

Why BerkeleyDB

Why all those Op_codes


There are answers- but not SegWit coin
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: June 22, 2022, 09:42:54 PM
Prof and Prof
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: June 08, 2022, 04:34:02 PM
History is in the making here,

Code is not law, and law is the majority consensus...

What is the correct complaint IMPLEMENTATION of the Bitcoin protocol, that cannot change - cause... law?
15  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-05-02]Wikipedia has stopped accepting cryptocurrency donation on: June 03, 2022, 05:07:06 PM
Founder Jimmy Wales wasnt really convinced by btc, but the blockchain...
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: June 03, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Merkle tree BerkleyDB datacenters and all to scale more than Visa,

All that incl opcodes where there thx to Satoshi

Satoshi did it all for ya
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 26, 2022, 12:17:09 PM
Yes, there is sth

18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 24, 2022, 10:02:19 AM
The only way to scale to the globe, even for CBDC's, is via SPV. It was designed that way from the start. And Craig/nChain have SPV patented. No one else is even close. #dealwithit 😎 #BSV is #Bitcoin


Yeah, deal with it.

SPV finally understood and on the way
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why no one creates bitcoin v2 to allow new users to join the bitcoin wagon? on: May 15, 2022, 11:05:54 AM
Do you know How Many Bitcoin Forks Are There? You will be surprised!!!

There are hundreds of Bitcoin fork and the number will increase. Unfortunately, you can not call those forks are successful ones. What upgrades do they have to improve Bitcoin? What are features they can provide to crypto users?

Have they ever survived to crypto blackswan events?

You can order a developer to fork a coin from Bitcoin source code but who will use it and who will invest in your fork?

You can conclude that nearly every coin today is a copy paste of the idea, changed little here and there, even xrp tried to jump over,...

Only true original Bitcoin solved the thing, Satoshi. Even smart contracts with rich Bitcoin script that nobody really understood until... errr
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 15, 2022, 11:01:24 AM
Bitcoin was created by Satoshi as a really unique usefull electronic cash system, so if stable as defined like any commodity and can be used , cause such stable and clean, it is also a true commodity like cloud space or time stamping blockchain services....

But, btc got changed. Yepp, that is the issue
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