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8781  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why does December get so damn boring? on: December 15, 2012, 09:30:39 AM
.... Gay? You know I use a Blowtorch and a Mallet right? Fail Tongue
8782  Economy / Economics / Re: What's a proper measure of economic growth? on: December 14, 2012, 10:32:34 PM
GDP is not an accurate measure of growth because apparently GDP has government spending as well, so if the government for instance decides to increase military spending for example and produce all this stuff for a war then the GDP will rise if I understand that correctly. To measure economic growth you should look at the living standards, so things like how much basic necessities cost like milk or food, fuel is a more modern indicator which everyone tends to panic about and I think housing is a good one as well but housing and fuel prices are far affected far more by speculative buying so I'd stick with the basics.

Oh, you of course can't forget taxes as well as historical prices too and gold prices.

If you look at this site I found you'll get a really great idea of what inflation can do to an economy and you'll be able to match up the data on these charts with the various events that happened, so 2002 and upwards the price of gold became incredibly unstable as time passed and started shooting up like crazy as people realised what was going on with the money printing and the economy.

http://www.kitco.com/charts/historicalgold.html

Edit: Scratch that, looks like the craziness with gold was happening even further back than I read, just skimming through all this data.
8783  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold on: December 14, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
It is sad, the worst part is these people likely had nothing to do with the problems they're suffering from, that said I can't help but think two or more thoughts on this kind of thing really, I tend to not look at things on the surface.
8784  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/401227.stm

do your damn research fool! Tongue
8785  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
lmao, you aren't thinking outside the box, it's a problem I've noticed a lot with people who think space exploration isn't worth it, vast limitless space in itself is worth quite a bit considering how overcrowded our planet is becoming right now.
8786  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
Because space is so vast, I can guarantee you that $1 billion will be nothing compared to what can be found out there, it's simple laws of probability.
8787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold on: December 14, 2012, 09:51:22 PM
Here we go! Found it pretty fast because it's all officially released which is nice.

http://www.vosizneias.com/83791/2011/05/16/new-york-ny-8-4-minutes-average-police-response-time/

http://www.westmercia.police.uk/freedom-of-information/disclosure-log/operational-policing/2011-operation-policing-disclosures/foi-2988-police-999-call-response-times.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/crime_on_the_climb_3pCi8VDcPJIH42QyL3AstJ

http://apbweb.com/featured-articles/1188-response-times-city-to-city.html


This was all taken from the first page of Google as well.
8788  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold on: December 14, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Police response was around 15 minutes I would guess.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away!

It's sad that a sound bite like that is pretty factual, I think in the UK at least they list the police response time and I've never seen anything under five minutes, you can end up dead below two minutes, perhaps even faster depending on how skilled or equipped the attacker is, I'll dig up articles for you all.
8789  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
If we spent that money on getting back just one of those valuable asteroids and getting out all the precious metals cost wouldn't be an issue in the future to make those kind of expeditions, the only places we really have that amount of resources any more is Afghanistan and Africa etc. we're running out, so we've got to get it from some place and digging deeper is going to be just as dangerous if not more so than going out to space.
8790  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 08:59:43 PM
Pffft I'm sure that's the kind of thing they said about flight and look what happened then, humanity needs to do this kind of thing for its survival, if we don't we'll blow each other up over the only remaining resource left on this planet.
8791  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold on: December 14, 2012, 08:55:03 PM
shall issue state?
8792  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold on: December 14, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
The people who do these kind of things are already unhinged and psychotic, taking away guns isn't going to do a thing, it doesn't help that schools are pretty horrible places to be to begin with.
8793  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: December 14, 2012, 06:06:36 PM
In the case of some stones, normally there is a microscopic laser etched mark on the inside by the manufacturer. Or, if you were going for a,"how do we know everything isn't synthetic inception type of question", my response is, who is to say that everything isn't synthetic, meaning synthetic is natural?

How does the manufacturer know?  Or are they microscopically etched inside the earth before they are dug out?  If a manufacturer added some synthetic diamonds to their inventory and etched them all natural how would you know?  If the manufacturer is honest is it not possible for somone else to etch a synthetic diamond with code for a "natural one".  You do see the obvious flaws in this system right.

It is a failing attempt to keep artificial scarcity for a product which was never that scarce to begin with and now with high quality synthetics is become less scarce over time.

BTW:  Given the amount of violence involved in blood diamonds and the near perpetual slaver that even non-conflict diamond miners live in my wife would probably be happy to pay EXTRA for a synthetic one which didn't have human misery backed into every stone. Wink

Yep, I understand and agree with the sentiment. I think diamonds are stupid in the first place, and much prefer colored stones, as those actually have a free market around them.

Anyway, lab created gold or not, I'm getting ready for $8/Oz gold  Grin

We'll get $8/Oz gold if we go to space and mine out the asteroids there, there's billions worth of precious metals that have been surveyed in just one or two, don't need a lab, that said, I think that the dollar will have collapsed by the time we get into space anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17827347

Jon Stewart even did a segment on it where he got a physicist he knew to come along and he announced it wasn't bullshit Tongue
8794  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Eric Schmidt: "I'm proud of our tax avoidance scheme...it's called capitalism" on: December 14, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
The 'stateless' I like the sound of that.
8795  Other / Off-topic / Re: Something Awful goons orpanize to defame and propagandize against Bitcoin here on: December 14, 2012, 10:05:06 AM
Oh please, they aren't intelligent enough to sabotage an election never mind Bitcoin.
8796  Economy / Goods / Re: More hand-poured ingots coming... on: December 14, 2012, 09:49:05 AM
Even if it's not an antique the craftsmanship might be worth more than in bar form, it can happen.
8797  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Africa America won the battle against the unjust on: December 14, 2012, 09:08:30 AM
If I recall, you're the Chinese board moderator?

Even allowing for language difficulties, your post makes no sense.

Yes, it make sense. Bitcoiner can fight the same way as Africa America fights against, to use the legal and political system to fight for our rights of using our own money in America.

This makes even less sense. There's no issue with using Bitcoin in America, nobody is trying to can stop us.

Unless you want Bitcoin to be the official money of the US? In which case, bad idea.

Fixed that.
8798  Other / Off-topic / Re: What to do if you're crazy about a girl that has a boyfriend? on: December 14, 2012, 08:59:01 AM
It does suck but it is for the best, you really don't want to be put in the friendzone, if she has no interest in you she has no interest in you not much anyone can do to change that.
8799  Economy / Goods / Re: More hand-poured ingots coming... on: December 14, 2012, 08:50:13 AM
Then why are you trying to melt something down that clearly looks valuable? O_O Cheesy
8800  Other / Off-topic / Re: They call me the Grinch on: December 14, 2012, 08:45:57 AM
Yes, I'm sure most people know this already, but never ever order anything in December unless you absolutely have to, postal service is always too busy mailing Christmas cards etc.
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