I'm still failing to see the benefit to the attacker?  Other than them making money on bad equipment that wouldn't otherwise make any money.  Even if the solved blocks aren't being counted, they are still paying for the power.

Also, I think everyone is jumping off of Ghash because they almost hit the fabled 51% mark and no one wants to have hashing power that consolidated.  See article below.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2364000/bitcoin-price-dips-as-backers-fear-mining-monopoly.html

The consensus is that such attacks are likely to remain rare and generally insignificant. The payout for the attack is simply too small and it's not an effective way to bankrupt a pool or get miners to desert a pool unless it's a particularly small pool, in which case there's generally no point.

oh, just checked. ghash.io has 0% fees.

What is their revenue stream then? Do they live on donations only?
Or is their main goal market dominance, and they operate on a minus simply to dominate bitcoin?

Again I could be wrong as I'm just assuming here, but it could be more of a long game. Sure it would mess with current people and ya, why not just block them. But again, if I am right it would also serve to protect the future so you wouldnt have to hunt, find and block each and every person that tries to be naughty.

Question for you.   lets say the 'bad luck attacker' is real  as some say it is.  (Note not saying it is multi pool)   I have racked my brains on prevention ideas and I am still stuck with a solo fork for each big pool as the only way to stop him ,her ,it  dead in his tracks.

 So Any ideas on stopping 'bad luck attackers'?  other then my solo fork idea

Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Adam, you run a good pool at Multipool.  I've used it to mine various coins.  Keep up the good work.  Wasn't sure at first if you were the official Multipool when I saw you show up at Bitminter.

The concern that everyone has is with that much hash, you should be solving a block every couple of days.  Is this just a run of bad luck or some other problem?  Were your blocks solved at Ghash on par with what the average of your hash rate should be solving?

I feel slightly better about Multipool since you have now changed your website to inform people they are paying a fee to Bitminter for mining BTC. Only one problem...you still don't have your story straight. You tell them Bitminter charges 1.5% fee. Good for Bitminter if the extra .5% is a donation, bad for your users that they are still ill-informed.

From https://www.multipool.us/help.php:
Q: What fees does this site charge?
A: This site charges a 1.5% fee on all mined blocks, except for the Bitcoin pool which has a 0% pool fee. Our upstream pool (Bitminter.com) charges 1.5% which is passed on to users. User pays network transaction fee (see below) for PPC, NVC, CGB, and CAP withdrawals, and a transaction fee for on-demand withdrawals of less than the auto pay threshold of other currencies (see table below). Auto payouts and daily payouts are always fee-free.

I did not say you would gain my respect adam.   That will never happen after you attacked someone that was correct and you had NO IDEA what they were talking about yet you took it upon yourself to pontificate.   I meant others'.   
I only care that you contribute.   Consistently.   

Wow, some moron on the internet that attacked a bunch of people as "conspiracy theorists" when he had not even taken the time to educate himself what happened MONTHS earlier is calling me dumb.    Ouch.   That really hurts.
You are a fucking idiot.   Solve some blocks or STFU.   I am tired of carrying you.
At least every type of miner we have was tested and solved blocks solo mining.  You do not even know what crap you have throwing hashes. 
Right now you are just a free rider, a leach.   Contribute to the pool with some solved blocks and you might get a bit of respect.   You can do that simple math right?   

No the assertion is your pool is really unlucky and you still have to prove us wrong.
And also why does your hash rate swing over 50% constantly?
Can anyone explain to me the logic of joining a pool to mine at another pool?   Really?
Until multi pool because overly lucky, I still do not have a great feeling about them in general.

As far as when they are getting the BTC from fiat else, it should be ROI from miner or Profit from trading.

Is this on the pool server side or the miner side? If it is on the pool server side, would additional infrastructure (more servers, cloud computing instances) prevent any negative performance by the miners? Granted this additional infrastructure would mean added costs to the pool (and added costs to the miners in terms of less features and/or higher pool fees) but people tend to not think about these costs.

If what you are saying is that it will take 200ms extra time to start a new block template by the miners then it would mean that there would be a 1 in 3000 chance that this delay would cause you to "miss out" on finding a block. This is based on the fact that there is a 1 in 600 chance that a block will be found every second and there are 1,000ms in one second. So as long as the added benefit of the merged mining is at least 0.03% that of mining BTC alone then you would end up on top. With a 50ms delay it would be 0.0083%. Is this correct, or I am misinterpreting something? Please be patient with me as I do not know a lot about mining at that intimate level of detail

Since the GH/s price is measured in bitcoin it would likely not be affected by the price of bitcoin

Was there a reason we switched pools to bitminter? I don't really mind just curious. I went back 5 pages or so and just seen talk of no blocks. So I thought I would just go ahead and ask.

Steve

Sorry if I'm slow here, but how can b and c both be true? Your members are charged a fee for mining BTC.

Is anyone else getting really slow payouts for the shift work from BTC Guild?
I received only 13 payouts in 24 hours, 15 the day before, and only 10 payouts in the last 20 hours....

What is up with this?

Jerry

guys it can very well be that a common miner such as the s-1 could have a flawed batch.  in theory 16ph of the entire network consists of s-1's.  1 chip run may have been for shit.

Or someone ran a batch of chips behind the back of any major chip/gear builder knocked off a ton of gear .  Lets say the dragon miners had a 'sneak batch built'

Anyone that has worked in a small factory knows what I am talking about.  Do A run of product behind the owners back.  So I am in China I knocked off a ton of bootleg dragon miners...  I set them up to solo mine  lets say back in feb.  they work ..  I feel good as I have a great score.  then they stop working lets  say at the 2.4 level mentioned.  I now have good money and 1000 dragon miners that don make blocks...  Since I am a clever weasel I decide to mine my gear at BTCguild or cex.io guild   leaching off the backs of the good gear miners most likely this has happen and is true.
  Just not exactly the way I just said.   But I theorize there is a lot of dud miners that can't make a block.

Now hear this the best way to combat this is for  all major pools to offer a solo fork.    why because the scumbag weasel dude with his 1-2ph of shit gear  can never make a block solo mining ........  he has to mine on shared pools to earn money.


So once again I ask all large  pools known to pay off and not steal the blocks to do this offer a solo fork to all of us..  

 In fact force it on us  for a week  every 10th week  at least for that one week out of ten   the weasel won't steal from us.  

Sounds radical but it only mathematically hurts a guy with 'dead for blocks- live for hash gear'   If the dark miner or the 2ph of 'bad' gear is out there this method kills it while it is used.

Obviously pool ops have the truth about how hard it is to do my suggestion but one thing is for sure a rouge miner with shit gear gets  fully burned since he has no one to leach from while this happens.

Anyone that has an understanding of game theory should see my suggestion works.  So I ask all big ops why don't you do this or a variation of this.

1. The exponential distribution describes the time until a block is found. What you should be looking at is the number of blocks per time period, which follows the Poisson distribution, for which the variance is equal to the mean.

2. Variance / mean is not a very meaningful quantity. You should be looking at Variance / Mean^2.

3.
Let
H = pool's percentage of the network's hashrate
h = the miner's percent of the network
N = the average number of blocks per day (about 144)
B = Bitcoins per block (about 25)
T = number of days in the period we are looking at

Then the miner's average income is hNTB, the variance is h^2NTB/H, which means that the relative variance is 1/(HNT).

4. The network hashrate can be calculated as about 7 million times the difficulty.

5. This is all covered in AoBPMRS.

6. The real answer to the variance counterargument is not "there isn't that much variance in small pools", it's Multi-PPS.

If there were complete sets of miners that did not solve blocks, that has nothing to do with YOUR PERSONAL (or your pool's) trustworthiness.   You would not know.   If you are a stratified pool of small users, it is VERY unlikely that your pool would be a good place to "hide" bad gear, it would take too much effort making many accounts.

WTF?  Who are you to call him out?   Get your ass educated about what is going on over the last 6 months and has been CAUGHT (by users) at other pools.
Your comment is ignorant and rude.   Guess michael (the owner of BTCGuild) is a conspiracy nut too?