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2021  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Have you heard of Litecoin? 1.5 FREE LITECOINS FOR SIGNING UP on: February 18, 2013, 06:50:49 AM
still waiting for that LTC... Huh

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2022  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What I'm starting to feel about BTC on: February 15, 2013, 05:24:28 AM
I think it is reasonable to have a basic working understanding of anything that might affect you, especially financially. I wouldn't put money on a game I didn't know the rules to, I mean, I learned Rummolli that way but it cost me a LOT of quarters.
I must admit the learning curve is part of the attraction to BTC for me, and I see growth for sure in the software and hardware development that will have to follow BTC if it is to become truly ubiquitous. Sure people don't understand plenty of the tech and systems they interact with every day, but if they can't operate their bank account, they probably aren't in a position to to be allowed to control their finances, if they even any.
I would really like to see BTC in widespread use, I think we all would, but for Johnny Six-Pack to start using it it would have to at least look like a fool-proof and simple device. Fool proof; pretty close...simple to use; not quite there yet
I guess I'm thinking about PR and promotion here. BTC is an exciting proposal, and people are catching the buzz. But buzz can either fizzle and fade, or be harnessed and directed into more sustainable motivators. If I talk about investing in silver to , say, my mom; she can understand the concepts and grasp the realities, if I decided to start proselytizing the virtues of BTC shed get upset and try to change the subject. BTC community should think about that sort of public image branding, much the same way advertizes and promotional people deal with whatever they may be trying to seduce the public into adopting. IDK, someone is going to come up with the perfect sales pitch, and they are going to make us all a lot of BTC. Haha, since I've started this thread I have gone from totally down on BTC future to absolutely optimistic, back to negative and now seeing it all rosey again. I definitely will have some of it in my portfolio, but not more than I can afford to lose. Its mostly just interesting to watch, and who knows? could be the skys the limit.
2023  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does anyone still want to invest on ASIC? We need a coordinator and copartner on: February 14, 2013, 02:06:06 PM
bit low on funds atm, had to wire $1000 to some dude in nigeria to activate my 2.5m usd ATM card
oh my sides.
2024  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: bitcoinget.com? on: February 14, 2013, 01:38:27 PM
this website always gives me some excuse after i watch the video and do the captcha. "use a different browser" "are you sure you watched the whole video?" "make sure private viewing mode" "we apologize etc." tried every suggestion, watched tons of videos, haven't been paid squat. i felt they were wasting my time to get free youtube views, or possibly worse things.
2025  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What I'm starting to feel about BTC on: February 14, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
You seem to be under the impression of Bitcoin being intended for end-user use. It is not. What it is is an experiment and a proof of concept for the viability of a crypto-currency in the first place. That's an error easily made however and in fact lots of users here and so called "Bitcoin businesses" make the same error.
The main thing that keeps me so intrigued with BTC is its very experimentality
My background is in the arts, and you hear plenty of people who claim what they're doing is experimental, while its just the same old bullshit in a different package.
Now as I understand it, BTC is an experiment in economics and computer science, but it seems to have "legs" so to speak. Also it does have viability in that fiat appears to be collapsing before our eyes.
these things make for wild speculation; novelty, frustration with old outdated systems, rapid growth. I'm trying to think of a historical precident... get rich quick schemes in the great depression? The gold rush of the 1890s? BTC presents this new frontier type idea that can be very attractive to desperate and frightened speculators. We are seeing that right now. 26$!!!
I see a wisdom in having BTC, and I do not see any wisdom in purchasing BTC with cash (I hoard metals) also I like the decentralized aspect, a kind of anarcho-currency (lol) I just don't see how it can retain its value if it is not widely usable. If everyone hoards it is one thing, also it is fragile, like any type of digital thing. What happens when Homeland Security decides its in our best interests to shut off the internet? or they figure out magnetic weapons for warfare (erase everybodiy's hardware) like, is that even a thing. But I digress.
anyways, I offer to accept BTC in trade for my services that I preform in person, just nobody I've encountered yet uses or even knows what they are, and when I explain it to them they don't often seem to feel very comfortable with the idea.
It would be great to have known of BTC when it first arrived and was easy to mine, now I'm guessing it will become too inflated and only be in the hands of the geeks who got in first, so normal folk will shun it. That ain't experimental mathematics, that's just the way of the world. People generally get excited about revolutionary things for a bit then fall back on their old habits, because they are lazy, and stupid, and don't know how to change.
Also we have been conditioned to avoid any sort of reliance on trust. So I guess what I'm saying is BTC will succeed, its just humanity that always fails.  Tongue
2026  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Raffle on: February 14, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
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2027  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Have you heard of Litecoin? 1.5 FREE LITECOINS FOR SIGNING UP on: February 14, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
sign me in!

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I salute your activism!
2028  Other / Beginners & Help / What I'm starting to feel about BTC on: February 14, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
I exported my private keys. saved as multibit.key file. deleted wallet. uninstalled multibit. ccleaner and bleachbit. restart computer. re-installed multibit and imported multibit.key. all the money is still there  Grin
my question is... couldn't i make multibit keys with randomly generated private keys and hope some of them were actual accounts and then empty them? or are the .key files more complex than that?
I am not even sure I am I even correctly backing up my multibit? I only have 0.0024 in it, but if I cant figure out how to secure and back up the thing, 0.0024 is all I plan to lose on this sketchy interface. Bitcoin seems like a really good idea, but people who don't necessarily have post graduate levels of proficiency in scripting have got to be able to use it too. unless its more meant to be a kind of exclusive programmer's "thing"
I mean, the export/import thing I did seemed to work, but I have no clue how or why, which leaves space for doubt in my mind; "what else don't I understand about how this thing operates?"
Over the last week I have gone from only having a passing familiarity with BTC to cramming as much info as I can find about it for as long as I am awake.
Mostly my issue with BTC is its "inaccessibility" meaning the ease of use and ability to understand and preform basic commands within the various interfaces.
like, this kind of answer does not help a guy like me  ---

#!/usr/bin/env bash

GPGU="My GPG User"

TS=$(date "+%Y%m%d-%H-%M")

WALLET=/tmp/wallet${TS}
WALLET_E=/tmp/wallet${TS}.crypt

~/bin/bitcoind backupwallet $WALLET
/usr/bin/gpg -r "$GPGU" --output $WALLET_E --encrypt $WALLET
~/bin/s3cmd put $WALLET_E s3://NAME_OF_MY_S3_BUCKET
rm $WALLET $WALLET_E

THAT is GREEK to me. Basically the future of BTC, in my eyes, is either the user interface is simplified by you guys and BTC becomes the gold standard of cryptocurrency, or it remains this scripter's-only thing and dies slowly whilst a larger concern with better backing and a PR department cherry-picks what worked and eliminates what didnt, usurping the market by appealing to regular non-geeks with an easier to use interface. BTC is an experiment, and it is not only the early adopters who are watching now.
I'm rambling, I know, but that is why I have decided to not invest in BTC. In all likelyhood the price will adjust to under 10$ USD and then gradually taper off to nothing as enthusiasm wanes and easier to use models are ushered out by banks willing to provide it for the escrow alone. The market that is core to BTC up this point are tech types. It is a big sector but it is only so big, and honestly, any tech guy worth his salt could make a hella lot more the old fashioned way (skilled labor and hard work) The rest of us haven't got time for this shit.
Still fascinating to watch though.
2029  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust No One on: February 14, 2013, 12:12:45 AM



1. Put all your coins in a new wallet that has never connected to the network

sorry if this is blatantly stupid, but don't you have to connect to a network to download and sync a new wallet?
2030  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Scams & Scammers? Hall of Shame on: February 13, 2013, 12:33:37 PM
I do think your nuts in thinking that Bitcoin is 'vulnerable' because of scammers etc. it isn't vulnerable, the problem you're pointing out has nothing to do with Bitcoin but human stupidity and there's nothing we can do to prevent people from being stupid. Controlling your own finances like you can now means you not only have to trust in your common sense, not only that you have to accept the fact that if you fuck up then it's your fault and yours alone, Bitcoin isn't responsible, it's you, all Bitcoin really is is just a bunch of very clever numbers put together to make a currency.

There is already a scammer accusation board for you to check out to see if you can trust a person your dealing with, but other than that, warning people is all anyone can do now, it's not necessarily bad to be paranoid, just make sure it's about the right thing.

okokok
this is the newbie section, amiright? thanks about the scammer board. thats the kind of thing i need to examine. after i put on my tinfoil hat that is.
2031  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust No One on: February 13, 2013, 12:25:33 PM
Escrow literally takes minutes to set up and can save you $100's
what escrow houses have you tried, and which do you like best?
2032  Other / Beginners & Help / Scams & Scammers? Hall of Shame on: February 13, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
Should there be some sort of list of disreputable websites, known scammers, etc. I read a lot about how BTC is wide open to all manner of crooks, but I rarely read about any caught and busted mofos.

To be honest BTC kinda makes me paranoid how vulnerable it is, and I think it may resist widespead adoption unless those fears are put to rest amongst the general public at large.

This is one of my (irrational?) fears; website is designed to look and act like a BTC trading platform/info site/client dl... it is actually an attack site.

Am I nuts? Actually, don't answer that. Might I be onto something? I would like to start more discussion about these enemies of BTC, how they act/look/feel.

Stories, anyone?
2033  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: HOWTO: create a 100% secure wallet on: February 13, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
-= Small Edit: If you need something which is very secure and grandma-style easy, go vote on this poll and add your thoughts to the discussion. =-

Note: I can only post in the newbie forum for now, but if a moderator deems this topic useful, he may move it somewhere else. Right now, I'm too lazy to get 5 posts, just for the sake of it.

Also, there is an excellent article on the Wiki which should give you some ideas about the problem of security. This is meant as a more specific and simple straight-forward guide, i.e I won't spell out where you can find your wallet.dat and so on.


Why?

So, in light of the recent /19BSM]Drama Roll Eyes Kiss and my general feeling that some people are unsure about the security of their wallet (or their PC in general), I've decided to give you an idea how to create a secure savings account for you to deposit your hard-earned coins in.

Clarifications

So, you crazy twat want to invest all your savings in bitcoin, but you're not yet shit-for-brains enough to forget the security aspect of the whole thing? Here's the HowTo for you.

So, the first misconception to clear out, is the concept of the "wallet". The wording in itself is not ideal, since it is more like a key. Cryptographically speaking, it is actually exactly that: your private key.

Now this has the following implication: If someone steals your wallet.dat now, and you deposit coins in it later, the thief will be able to spend/transfer ALL your coins, including those you added _after_ the wallet was stolen! I'm sure a lot of you know this already, I just want to clarify this for everybody.

So, clearly, you have to make it impossible for anybody to _ever_ steal your wallet. Clearly, this is infeasible for your day-to-day transactions account, since encryption will be useless as soon as you want to access your coins (Since the decrypted wallet.dat has to be stored in RAM at some point. There are ways, but for now, consider them a little tedious).

So the solution is the following: you have your spendings-account where you keep only low amounts of coin (much like a real-life wallet), and you have your super-secure savings wallet, which you only access on rare occasions.

How?

I'll try to keep it short: You have to create your savings account under ideal security-conditions. I won't rant about you cunts people using Windows in general, but note that Linux is in no way automagically completely secure. Everything depends a lot on your behaviour.

1. What you'll do is the following: Create a live-CD or a bootable USB with your OS of choice on it. I suggest using the Ubuntu LiveCD.

The reason is simple. When you create your new wallet, you want to make abolutely sure, that your running operating system doesn't in any way log your keys or secretly save your files somewhere.

2. Boot your freshly-created OS, and install the Bitcoin client on it. Yes you can install software inside a liveCD environment. Optionally, also install some encryption software, but we'll leave that for now.

3. Your Bitcoin client will immediately generate 10 addresses for you, and with them, the corresponding wallet.dat.

4. Save your addresses somewhere, if you have to, write them down manually (if you do this, then I bow to your zeal and declare you crazy). I suggest you send them to yourself over email.

5. This is the important step. Copy your wallet.dat somewhere. Burn then on a CD or another medium. I for instance love those little 64MB SD-cards you sometimes get with a new camera. They rock. You might want to make multiple copies (on multiple cards/CDs, not multiple copies of the same file on the same disk you tart).

6. Now, eject whatever you just copied on, and guard it like your life depends on it. Not really, but here is the important step: If you encrypted your wallet.dat with an encryption algorithm you feel safe about, just keep it around your house.

7. Shut down. There will be no trace of your walled.dat on your harddisk, since it never actually resided there.

Important: You will want to keep another copy somewhere else, in a safe physical location, or at least one that is safe while your house burns down. You might already know it, but losing your wallet.dat is worse than someone stealing it. It'll be gone forever.

If you didn't encrypt the file (which I prefer), put the SDcards, CDs, whatever in a safe. That's right: a real-world safe, like banks have, who also happen to lock their doors and are in general very anal about their security and all that jazz. You can rent small safety-deposit boxes in exchange for money. As a bonus, it'll be fire-proof as well.

8. In case it's not yet obvious: You will now only make day-to-day transactions like you used to do it, on your computer (are you _still_ using windows?) and every now and then, you will put some coins into your savings-account. Using the addresses from step 4). How much you want to keep in your wallet is up to you.

But how can I haz my money back?

Okay, for those of you who didn't guess it yet: Whenever you want to make a transaction from your savings-account to someplace else, get your wallet.dat out of the safe, boot up your liveCD (don't you dare using your regular OS after all this work, or I'll come beat you up personally) and do the reverse: Install bitcoin again, install the encryption-software if necessary and copy your wallet.dat where it belongs.

Congratulations: you can now access your 25'000 bitcoins and nobody will have messed with them while you were asleep.

Possible attacks

So now, the _only_ way for someone to steal your coin, will be to steal your physical copy of the wallet. That's why you might want to encrypt it, although if you do, don't forget the passphrase. Also, if you die, your family can still get your bank-safe opened, but they won't be able to pick through your brain and get the passphrase out of it. That's why I prefer to not encrypt it.

There is one more possibility: a physical keylogger: It will be able to intercept the password you use to encrypt your wallet.dat, which, if you keep a copy at home, can then be stolen and used. Another reason, why a regular safe is the best option in my humble opinion.

What else?

EDIT: A little protip for those who don't know: You can of course use blockexplorer.com to keep track of your account while it's safely hidden away. Doing this will simply allow you to see how many coins are associated with a given address.

I suggest you also create new day-to-day wallets (even having a few coins stolen can be frustrating), as your current ones might already have been stolen. Of course, this requires a secure OS, so you better ditch that infected piece of shit fine gear of yours. DON'T just create new wallets on the system you're using right now, since it won't solve anything in case you're already infected.

In addition, it doesn't hurt to read up on some technical details. Use the Wiki. Learn the difference between the amount in your wallet, and the amount on the different block-addresses. If you handle a lot of money, ACT ACCORDINGLY. Don't get all crazy-enthusiastic-venture-capitalist and invest all your savings in bitcoin. Also, don't speculate too much on the price development, you'll make more money if you use that time to work at a regular job.

Now, if you happen to make/have made a significant amount of coins, don't run around telling everybody like the self-satisfied vagina that you are. You wouldn't do that with real money either. At least I hope so.

Also, someone will probably make a bitcoin-specific liveCD, which should save some hassle in the steps above.
Also, take it easy and be a cool guy woh doesn't afraid of anything.
Also, pick up a book every now and then.


Yes, there are other ways to do this, and yes, some might be more practical and maybe just as secure. Write a comment about it.

If anyone has any clarifications, questions, suggestions, or wants to call me a moron, please feel free to do so, and I'll see if there is anything to be improved about it. Also, spelling mistaeks.

Also, in case anybody got all excited by this guide and/or seen the light of Jesus-Christ the saviour AND wants to thank me with coins (why on earth would you do that?), here's my address: 16VD78R8nxqJGesE7E9KS6A8TikQQpKNm5

Have fun. Cool

EDIT: Corrections and added a few insults just for you, dear anonymous reader.
very helpful. thanks!
2034  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: February 13, 2013, 11:25:50 AM
please do so! and get a post Smiley
don't be so negative, the 5-post-4-hour-rule is there for a reason: to get rid of the trolls. NOT to piss newcomers off.

relax take it easy and smile. Cheesy

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Hi peoples of bitcointalk forums.

  I'm here to figure this BitCoin business out! Finding decent information about cryptocurrencies is fairly difficult for me as I am more on the economics side than the technology side in my studies. BitCoin still looks exciting to me. I like having the opportunity to not only get in on something that has never been done before, as well as I always seek to support ideas I like with the backing of my investments.

  The thing is... I would like more simple instructional materials, as a tech n00b I can teach myself things with clear instructions, but I find that sort of "lay-man's" how-to's hard to come by as well (esp. from anyone credible) I know when you get right deep into something it is hard to "dumb it down" for interested parties such as myself, but until there are basic, secure, trusted clients to aid user with safe and secure usage of the currency, interested investors may remain intimidated by the scripting talk etc.

  I'm not mad, tho. I'm glad to be in this forum! Even where I stand right now I'm prepping to mine and am eyeing the MGotx like a hungry bear.  Grin Roll Eyes Grin Cheesy Wink Grin Shocked Roll Eyes Tongue Grin
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