Is it worth also making a option for the velvet case option to fit casascius bars .... (I never found a case for those ones) There would definately be a market for those .... may also help get the FBD velvet case going as well (ie greater volume / leverage with the manufacturer) If you did .... I will buy one of each of your new bars, and a case for each, plus 5 cases that would fit the casacius bars You know you want to  (if you dont, PM me about where you can get these made ..... as I would happily run with it for the Cas cases) |
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Cant resist ....So how much ?
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Very very nice set of coins Took
That Lealana set looks like they deserve to be regraded
Great bar too
Cant see these lasting too long
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My coin has just arrived. All good here. Lovely looking coin.
I think I will send to ANACS to get graded. I will let you know how it gets on.
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I think that we need a section on the forum for the physical coins, can we maKe a pool? Or a formal request?
I started a thread with a poll over in the Meta sub forum for that. Can't find it at the moment where I am but if you go look there please feel free to bump it up and add to the discussion. Maybe someday someone with mod power will take notice and create it for us. This was the thread for the poll https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095046.0More pollsters would be a good thing .... |
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Why is it I feel like I am the only person who doesnt have an alt account ... ?  |
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Do fingerprints affect the grade? I would assume so, but I'm curious. I have a stash of WDC Antaui's and the maker didn't wear gloves while putting them in the lock tight cases.
Most have one or two finger prints. How can I expect this to affect the grade? Thanks guys.
ANACS offers a conservation service: "Choose this service to allow ANACS to remove PVC, debris, glue, stains, hazing, and other easily removed and distracting flaws from your submitted coin." Fingerprints would likely fall under something they could easily remove. I have previously asked ANACS about the conservation service for physical cryptocurrency coins, and its something that they do not do. But with no additional reasoning behind it ... I assumed due to the risk of damaging to holo / key, but thats just my best guess |
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Actually, I'm not the buyer but facilitating the sale. Please send asking prices to me. This needs to happen quickly as the coin must be recieved by August 19th.
Simple brass; sorry didn't specify. I got 1 good offer already  What kind are you after exactly? Silver, Silver/Gold, or Brass? I have a brass 2013 1 BTC that I said I would sell for Hard BTC. Its been graded by CGS at 94. I have seen CGS coins graded at 96, cross grade at ANACS to MS68, so I anticipate that if this 94 was cross graded it would be MS66+ (obviously cant guarantee it). The coin looks in great shape, and if thats the one you want I can send you pics, and sort out a price. Holomen has a couple of brass 2013 1's (he has also asked me to sell a few of his coins as well). Both graded by ANACS at MS63 and MS65. Drop me a PM, if any of those appeal |
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I guess everyone should get a last batch sent off before the new form hits.
Is it worth it to pay the $7 for verification per round? If we don't add that option, will the label include less info?
The verification fee covers the cost of printing the first bits onto the slab - you need to do it. Yes I am going to be sending out a batch before they enforce it ASAP. Here is an example form (.pdf) https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkcwqcr9cgi18ez/Example_Submissionform.pdf?dl=0ANACS calls the first bits the serial # Doesn't the fee also include the shiny silver holographic "VERIFIED" sticker on the back? It might not mean much, but it looks very official, and it may help persuade some potential buyers / collectors who are on the fence. Regards, Christopher Every coin I have ever had graded has got the silver sticker on Have a look at http://www.anacs.bounce.so/coins.phpLook at the coins I posted the ANACS references of before 4908284 - 4908287 They were all ANACS imaged (costs $3 a coin) On their rears they have the silver "AUTHENTICATED" sticker  |
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The golden standard is ANACS and we should obviously stick with that. ANACS was cool enough to accept our coins + the UK scale is totally different. Monkey can you make the grading thread for these guys? If any of my input is needed I will contribute, but I lack the ambition to get it going - lol.
Yep, will do at some point fairly soon. But need to get some other bits done first of higher priority (like selling some of the coins that have been graded !) |
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I have coins that have been graded by both
I also have coins that have been graded by CGS and then those same coins cross graded by ANACS
I will post up a comparison of the cross grades in a sales thread, and I would be selling both CGS graded coins, and the cross graded coins (plus some coins just graded by ANACS). Be interesting to see what the market makes of them.
CGS have their own grading system which ranges from 1 to 100. Doesn't that make comparisons with ANACS difficult? Their website says: "Surprisingly there is no universally accepted bench mark standards for the grading of English coins, by this we mean there is no universally recognized independent publication giving bench marks for the grading of English coins. The broad terms in use (see below) Very Good, Fine, Very Fine, Extremely Fine, and Uncirculated although broadly consistent in the main body of the professional UK dealer and bigger auction houses, are subject to the individual “subjective” opinion of the grader at the time based on his experiences and paradigms. To our knowledge no one refers to any accepted universal guide (as none exists) or retains sets of coins to refer to for consistencies sake. How then has grading been done? Basically the grader looked at a coin and decided based on his experience and memory what grade it is, if he is not sure then a plethora of middle grade attachments and riders are introduced such as about Uncirculated, near to Very Fine, approaching EF, better than Fine, Good Very Fine, BU, Gem, Choice we could go on it seems almost endlessly. The CGS UK system arrives at a numeric grade between 1 and 100 with 100 being absolute perfection. It is not our intention to replace the traditional grading terminology (listed below) but it can easily be argued that once a numerical grade is attached the need for some additional narrative description is superfluous. However CGS UK numerical system will broadly translate as follows." They then have a table which compares their grades and Sheldon grades. This is the result of the 4 coin cross grading I did. It is exactly because ANACS has a 70 scale, and CGS has a 100 scale, that I felt it needed to be done to try and have some yard stick to draw a comparison from (and as we know even between grading orgs that use the 70 scale, they still differ between them) Coin manufacturer BTC face value Manuf. Date Series Metal Coin Public key CGS Grade CGS Reference ANACS Grade ANACS Reference Casascius 0.1 2013 3 Silver 1AgzMWdZ 96 34734 68 4908286 Casascius 0.1 2013 3 Silver 1AgzZrqz 97 33409 68 4908287 Casascius 0.1 2013 3 Silver 1AgzAJSA 97 34735 68 4908285 Casascius 0.1 2013 3 Silver 1AgzNtiP 98 34737 69 4908284 I will get this sales thread up over the weekend, or early next week. I have pics of each coin before in the CGS slabs, and after in the ANACS slabs. Just need to get the time to organise everything so that it can be displayed and interpreted Effectively what the table says is that the equivalent grades, on this sample of 4 coins were CGS Grade ANACS Grade 96 68 97 68 97 68 98 69 Obviously isnt gonna be an exact transposition each time, but it certainly shines some light on it |
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I ordered one through Lulu and it arrived today. Great little book. Thanks BTS.
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How many coins does one generally need to submit to ANACS before they start to consider special/discounted rates?
I submit batches of 40 coins at a time ... not just to spread out the shipping fees I cant tell you any levels of discount  , but I dont get the discount with smaller batches |
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I have emailled them the questions here, and will let you know any responses I get
You are UK based. Would you use ANACS or Kent-based CGS? I have coins that have been graded by both I also have coins that have been graded by CGS and then those same coins cross graded by ANACS I will post up a comparison of the cross grades in a sales thread, and I would be selling both CGS graded coins, and the cross graded coins (plus some coins just graded by ANACS). Be interesting to see what the market makes of them. Future grading .... it would depend on demand. Likleyhood is that ANACS have become the defacto standard here. Thats why I did the cross grading, to show how the CGS graded coins compare, so that when selling / buying CGS graded coins, folks had a direct comparison with the ANACS graded coins out there. Obviously couldnt be a guarantee of the grading a CGS coin would recieve with ANACS if cross graded, but would be a good indicator of the quality of the coin to assist a sale, and provide reassurance for a buyer. BUT ... if I had an ungraded coin, at this time, I would grade with ANACS, mainly because the community is more used to and can freely compare the ANACS coins. |
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A very quick response from ANACS
-Yes, we will include printing of first bits in the price of $19. No need to add $7 attribution fee under this new tier. You will also notice there is not a minimum quantity.
-All physical cryptocurrencies are to be submitted under this new tier of service. Modern and standard tiers are not applicable regardless of the view on tokens currently with or without digital currency. It is cryptocurrency whether the private key is used or not.
<ie applies to funded and unfunded coins>
-Any bulk rates should be discussed with ANACS directly. The turnaround time is the same as the non-us standard tier, roughly 3-4 weeks. $100 max value because we are grading the token in the condition it is in, not based on the digital currency.
-Customers are urged to use their best judgement regarding what is or isn’t appropriate to submit under this new tier. We will review once the order is received and make adjustments if necessary. I would direct them to Page 2 under Submitter Agreement on the left side.
So, hopefully that offers an improvement over $14 + $7 = $21 versus the $19, that will include attribution, and no need to get a batch of 5 together to recieve that rate. And provides clarification where needed.
I will keep an eye on the thread, and relay any further questions (and answers) to (and from) ANACS.
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UK based. Happy reshipping to overseas. My trust is good. I am sure I have dealt with most personally, or we have a mutual point of trust who would vouch.
I would need you to buy from TGBEX, have me as their delivery address (I have no spare BTCs, all in on physical cryptos currently)
I would then onward ship to whereever you are, so long as there isnt a tidal wave of individual requests, will ship and then charge you at my cost, not looking to make anything, just happy to get a UK sellers coins out there.
I havent checked to see if there is a TGBEX delivery cost to make it worth while grouping orders to me (Hey TGBEX, group buy discount ?)
Unsure how many would be interested ? If there are a few, and they are in the same country (or a few per country), then obvious options to group both purchase in the UK, and then for international shipping (with national distribution from a local trusted buyer). So far Blazed and Pistachio ... Pistachio, are you US as well Blazed ?
I will be putting a few listings up here very soon. So if a TGBEX is done alongside a purchase of any of the coins I sell, I will onward ship the TGBEX as part of my sale, without a postage charge. I also have an early one of these available (1 BTC coin #10) that I will probably list.
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I have emailled them the questions here, and will let you know any responses I get
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Have they removed the economy options for grading bulk batches? If so we getting jacked for an extra $5 per coin! Used to be batches of 5+ got it for $14 + $7 per coin...now it is $19 + $7?
Is there a general price point per coin that you would not submit a coin due to the fees of grading/mailing/insuring?? $20 per coin plus shipping/insuring seems to be a little pricey (also now that it seems they removed the batch pricing) So the new form says for physical cryptos the max value is $100 per coin...... This low price point per coin seems that most of the cryptos we would want graded will be excluded. What category to select then?? And if the category is "cryptocurrency" would this exclude any coin that does not have an area/recess for a private key?? since anything without this available to make a "wallet" would be considered a token?? Just some questions.... Thanks You can submit cryptocoins of any value ... you just state a max value of $100 per coin as far as insurance cover goes |
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$19 per coin is more then what they had been charging their "normal" customers in the past. They were charging $14 (plus $7 for verification). Or does the $19 include verification?
Dont believe it will include verification. The price before depended on the value of the coin and also the speed of turnaround. Some will win, some will lose. If you have any volume, they will generally negotiate a discount |
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