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441  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) on: July 08, 2014, 09:40:50 PM
ya i was wondering that...if lets say i split my hashrate with eligius, guild, slush, i guess ghash.io and maybe a cpl more...would that take luck outta the question? usually seems like when a pool luck is down its gotta be up somewhere else Cheesy

Luck isn't a zero-sum game.  The entire network can be having bad or good luck simultaneously.  That's why any graphs which try to show the network hash rate have massive fluctuations from day to day.  People are NOT turning equipment on/off at random, it's simply the network getting lucky/unlucky as a whole.

EDIT:  I didn't mean to imply that splitting hash rate will not reduce the impact of luck.  Just that the concept of "luck has to go somewhere" is false.
442  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Weekly pool and network statistics on: July 08, 2014, 08:59:23 PM
Why has BTC Guild's orphan rate gone up to nearly 4%?  Is it because their network percentage is going down so they're less likely to decide on who the orphan winner will be?

It's because we had a bad week.  Long term average is still under 1%, which is the rule of thumb generally.  When you only have 70ish blocks during a week, each orphan is a big hit.  Looking at it on a larger picture (one visible on the pool stats page), 3 out of the last 200 blocks were orphans, all 3 of which were last week.
443  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: July 08, 2014, 03:58:57 AM
...and what they really should be doing and used to do in the past is, test on the testnet.

That's cute, thinking ASIC manufacturers used testnet in the past.
444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: July 07, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
Is the LOT/MEOW situation going to get any better?  I still have lots of these.

They were both removed from auto switching within a day of the market dying off.  But until there is some volume, it's going to be a while before they get unloaded.
445  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 07, 2014, 02:06:20 AM
Yesterday and the day before were ok, but todays on par for sucking.

Supposed to earn avg of 0.095x with my hash but so far todays only give 0.05647961 which is still better than nothing but we still got 2:45 left in the day, or me in the eastern US ne way.

Something in your numbers is wrong, you haven't factored in the last difficulty increase, or you have hash rate leaking out to a backup pool.  24h luck is only 20% under expectation, yet you're claiming to be almost 40% behind.
446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: July 06, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
Can someone tell me how to get a manual payout from Scryptguild? I tried to mine for a bit but changed and I want to pay out what I got.

There are no manual payouts.  Automatic payouts are hourly if your thresholds are set to 0.01+.  The FULL balance is paid out when it triggers.  They're every 24 hours if the thresholds are 0.001-0.009.
447  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How does a pool correlate your work to vardiff? on: July 06, 2014, 08:37:23 AM
Just to clarify something when it comes to difficulty.

The work you're doing is the same whether the pool has your difficulty at 1 or 1,000,000.


Difficulty 1 mining didn't return all of your results either, only about 1 in 2^32 hashes produced a difficulty 1 share (4.2 billion).  However, your share wasn't "exactly" difficulty 1 (normally).  About 50% of those diff1 shares would also qualify as diff2 shares.  About 50% of those (25% of all diff1) would also qualify as diff4 shares.  Repeat infinitely.


When the pools adjust your difficulty (or you do via a web interface), what is being agreed upon is how high of a difficulty your minimum is.  You're not credited at all for anything worse than that difficulty.  In return, you're credited for more work with each submission.  So if you're only submitting diff2048+ shares, each submission is counted as 2048 shares, because the odds of a diff1 share also qualifying as diff2048 is 1 in 2048.

In the short term, you may have done much more or less work than what it would take to submit 2048 difficulty 1 shares.  Just like pools have luck, each hash is luck based.  But over time, the distribution of your hash results will match what you've been credited.  The proof of this is the fact that the pool interface should show an estimate of your hash rate that is very close to your actual hash rate (unless you have your difficulty set too high, in which case it my deviate significantly from variance).
448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: July 06, 2014, 05:58:26 AM
How is the rewrite coming ele

Not much being done on it.  I'm expecting to  begin the move July 11-13, hopefully have all the office, utilities, and internet ready by the 18th.
449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: July 06, 2014, 04:33:50 AM
hey guys,

I´m experiencing problems with ScryptGuild. It looks like it is hashing fine, but no new coins are coming - still the same balance. Can somebody give me some advice, how to fix it?

thanks

Coins only show up when a shift is completed, once per hour.  There's always *something* that will show up as long as you're set to automatic.  If you manually picked a coin, I'd recommend changing back to auto because you're going to end up making a LOT less otherwise.
450  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 08:17:56 PM
What about pay on orphans then, since they don't happen too often like you say, then paying on them might be favored among some users.

I used to pay for orphans.  Then I stopped paying for orphans and dropped the fee by 1%.  It makes no sense to pay for orphans when nobody else does, all it does is make your effective fee the same but your stated fee higher.
Just my 2c, but leave the fees the way they are now, pay for orphans and make BTCGuild stand out.

Since new coins, and very other idea is a nogo.

Wow, pay for orphans AND keep the fee the same.  That cuts the income *in half* for me, and considering every other pool that doesn't have a 15+ PH/s private farm attached to it is shrinking, it's not going to in any way make the pool get larger to make up for a roughly 50% cut in gross revenue.
Ok, so bump the fee to maybe 2.5% which is 0.5% below the original 3% and pay for orphans and still make the guild stand out but not as much... either way paying for orphans helps the guild stand out and maybe entices more to join and stay.

I'm not sure you realize the core problem here.  It doesn't matter how enticing the pool is.  Unless I spend more money than the pool has made in its lifetime to build up a giant warehouse of ASICs, it will not matter.  Public miners are becoming a smaller and smaller share of the network, and that is NEVER going to reverse now that the ASIC genie is out of the bottle and miners have thrown their money at them for first/2nd generation products.  Those companies are using the money that miners threw at them to build up private farms of their next generation products for pennies on the dollar compared to what miners would have to pay for the same hash rate.  They'll happily sell them to you as well, because for every unit they sell you, they can build 4 more with the profit from the sale.
451  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 08:07:50 PM
What about pay on orphans then, since they don't happen too often like you say, then paying on them might be favored among some users.

I used to pay for orphans.  Then I stopped paying for orphans and dropped the fee by 1%.  It makes no sense to pay for orphans when nobody else does, all it does is make your effective fee the same but your stated fee higher.
Just my 2c, but leave the fees the way they are now, pay for orphans and make BTCGuild stand out.

Since new coins, and very other idea is a nogo.

Wow, pay for orphans AND keep the fee the same.  That cuts the income *in half* for me, and considering every other pool that doesn't have a 15+ PH/s private farm attached to it is shrinking, it's not going to in any way make the pool get larger to make up for a roughly 50% cut in gross revenue.
452  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 08:00:39 PM
What about pay on orphans then, since they don't happen too often like you say, then paying on them might be favored among some users.

I used to pay for orphans.  Then I stopped paying for orphans and dropped the fee by 1%.  It makes no sense to pay for orphans when nobody else does, all it does is make your effective fee the same but your stated fee higher.
453  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 07:46:26 PM
Not having PPS makes it hard to determine how many blocks per shift is normal now.  Can you add something that says something like 10 blocks for 100% luck?

And what are the blocks per shift that is 100%?  It looks much lower than 8 now.

You can calculate it yourself once each difficulty.  Shifts are currently 11b shares long (approximately).  So 10 shifts lasts for ~110b shares.   Divide that by network difficulty to get the neutral luck blocks per shift. 110b / 16.b = 6.55 blocks would be perfect neutral luck.



Speaking of PPS, did you ever see this Michael ?

I'm not sure merged mining coins is the answer. If BTC Guild could offer a low cost PPS variant (as suggested in a thread by Meni Rosenfeld) in conjunction with some other pools, I think GHash.IO would be in trouble.

That proposed solution will never see the light of day.  The complexity of implementing is just too high and no pool operator with a brain is ever going to touch a PPS reward system again.
454  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 02:25:35 AM
Lucks lookin a bit better today, actually made what I was supposed to with my hash plus a tad.

Anyway, question for ya Michael...

On the main page where it shows Recent PPLNS Shift Statistics & Recent Block Rewards. Right now it's limited to showing 11 items, do you think we could maybe expand that 4 more so it shows 15 please ?

No plans on changing that/making it selectable currently.  It's at 11 items because it's showing you the currently open shifts and the current (not yet completed) shift progress.  The recent blocks uses 11 just so they're symmetrical since it would look odd if one was longer than the other (empty space on one side or the other).

The point of the dashboard is quick live stats, not historical data.
455  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 02:14:07 AM
... With only about 12 blocks/day expected, it doesn't take much to swing those numbers anymore. ...

I am just curious, shouldn't pool adjust round length, based on how many blocks do we expect to find per 24H? I mean, if we expect 12 blocks a day, shouldn't the rounds be 2 hour long?

If we get 12 blocks a day, distributed evenly in the 24 hour period, we will have to place them every 2 hours to fit the 24 hour frame. In this conditions, the shifts will close with 5-6 blocks, thus giving us about 60% of the real luck.

Please correct me, as I do not believe I may be right Smiley

Anyone?

The round length was always targetting 1 block per shift minimum, with a 1hour shift length maximum.  This is no longer possible since the pool is under 10% of the network.  The options are longer shifts, which means more blocks per shift but they last a LOT longer, or keeping shifts the same, which means fewer blocks per shift.

The earnings for the user does not change in either situation.  More shifts with fewer blocks per shift or fewer shifts with more blocks per shift.  Pick your poison.  I have no plans to increase shift length beyond what it already is because they already last too long in my opinion.  It already takes about 16 hours for a share submitted to fully mature (stop getting paid).
456  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 03, 2014, 11:25:03 PM
So 1024 in the miner and on worker page of the pool guarantees no issues outside of a problem with the pool or the miner. That said, am I correct with the worker setting of 128 for my Prospector200 machine since the next jump up is 256 for 256Gh + ?

Yes, 1024 for a dragon is the recommended setting, and should guarantee proper results while mining without any weird stats popping up.  I'm not familiar with the prospector 200, but if it's under 250 GH/s, then 128 is the recommended setting, yes.

However, as far as I'm aware, the only ASIC where the setting *can* cause a problem is the Dragon Miners.  Anything else is just a recommendation, it should have no material effects on other hardware.
457  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 03, 2014, 11:19:02 PM
Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at  Huh

I'm not sure if newer dragon miners have fixed it, but I know all the early ones were a hard setting.  If the pool changed the difficulty, the miner would ignore it.  Many early users were complaining about this because dragon miners on every pool were showing only a fraction of the speed they should.  This was because the pools were only crediting them for  diff 2-32 (depending on the pool default), but the miner was only sending 1024+.
So chances are I have three of the buggy ones and can lose my shirt on em lol

Unless firmware update would fix everything. Not even sure how to do that safely or know if its needed.

Setting the diff to 1024 on both ends will guarantee the problem doesn't happen.  512 is unlikely to cause a problem, other than the one I mentioned where a burst of luck could bump you to 1024, at which point 50% of your submissions get tossed under 'Unknown' rejects.  You would still get full credit for your mining though (you'd be submitting twice as many shares since you're set to 512, and roughly half would meet the 1024, getting credited for 2x512, while the other half would be rejected for not meeting 1024).
458  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 03, 2014, 11:09:52 PM
Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at  Huh

I'm not sure if newer dragon miners have fixed it, but I know all the early ones were a hard setting.  If the pool changed the difficulty, the miner would ignore it.  Many early users were complaining about this because dragon miners on every pool were showing only a fraction of the speed they should.  This was because the pools were only crediting them for  diff 2-32 (depending on the pool default), but the miner was only sending 1024+.
459  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 03, 2014, 11:06:40 PM
I would highly recommend 1024 for Dragon Miners.  Otherwise if your miner gets a burst of shares due to luck, vardiff will put you at 1024 and roughly half of your submissions will get rejected for low difficulty.  While that shouldn't cause any issue with earnings, it will make your stats look completely terrible.

I really despise the fact that the idiots who designed dragon miners made difficulty a setting in the miner which completely ignores what the pool tells it to use.
460  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 03, 2014, 10:37:22 PM
Hey Michael, got a question for ya.

So on the "main" page where it shows active worker summary. Why when plugging in large miners like 1Th plus does that info take so long to ramp up / normalize ?

My collo guy plugged in my three dragons today, and this is what I saw after about 5 mins or so.

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   522.48 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   974.58 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   513.99 GH/s   

And I'm just now starting to see things normalize well over an hr later on the site even though the miners backend always shows 1Th+

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   980.04 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   993.90 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   1,040.17 GH/s


How does something like this affect shares if at all since work is still being done at full ramp even though the Gh/s might show otherwise at first on the site.

The most likely cause is the miner was turned on and restarted once or twice before it was left alone.  The speed shown is an average.  The window starts with only 2 minutes of mining data, and then as more data is available (miner keeps running), it extends that average to a full hour.  If you turn on a miner and then tweak a setting and restart it, you'll have a gap in your shares which affect the speed estimate.

Additionally, if your workers didn't have their minimum difficulty set, the few minutes or so will be have some brief gaps due to constant difficulty adjustments until vardiff finds the proper level.  Some hardware is significantly worse at handling difficulty adjustments than others.

The pool has no way to know your actual speed, it can only make a best guess.  If your miner is turned on and left alone, it should reach an accurate estimate quickly.  But any time you turn a miner off, it will have an effect on the estimate (unless you hit 'Reset Stats' before turning the miner back on, which resets the flexible window used to estimate the speed as well).
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