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601  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 12, 2014, 05:20:13 AM
O.k. so after all the bad luck 46 of the last 47 shifts have closed at 8 or more....... Grin  
Now... no pointing fingers if that changes... but we have also had pool speed above 9000 Th/s for a healthy portion of the time Grin

Shifts were bumped from 7b to 7.5b when the speed went back up, so it's now ~9.4 blocks for neutral luck instead of ~8.75.  Of course that'll change with the next diff change in about 8 hours Sad.
602  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 12, 2014, 12:04:26 AM
And another small update to make sure the luck recording doesn't clip a shift with a block pending confirmation.  It probably hasn't happened before, but would've just now.  The entire network hasn't found a block in 50 minutes, and we solved our last block right before a shift close.
603  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 11, 2014, 11:07:27 PM
Very minor cosmetic update to the PPLNS Stats page.  The graph will now always use either the 2nd or 3rd most recently closed shift as the end point.  Ever since it was changed from hourly plot points to 3-hour average plot points, it was tending to be 4-5 hours behind the most recently closed shift.  It won't end on the most recently closed shift just in case there is a block pending confirmation that has not yet been credited to the shift (since the luck chart does not include orphans).
604  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [UNRESPONSIVE POOL OPERATOR NOT PAYING] 50BTC.com on: May 11, 2014, 01:24:27 AM
I'm shocked anyone is surprised since it's not the first.. or the second time that they have done this.  They are and have always been thieves.

Wait, it happened AGAIN?  I only peek at the thread once in a while, but I always assumed people were still talking about the first time.
605  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 10, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
I'm pretty new to this and just had my first experience with a significant outage impacting my miners.

I've got two Antminer S1s chugging away non-stop (usually) on Slush's Pool. I don't hop, etc. Best case for me is for the machines to just do their thing.

Last night though, my internet connection crapped-out and I was out for 14 hours. Now that I'm back up, my statistics show four blocks that my miners worked on, that now show "none" for Your Shares and Your Reward. There are confirmations being churned-out, but nothing for me.

Is this part of the pool hopping policy?

Being someone that doesn't hop (I dedicate miners to Slush and BTC Guild), seems like BS that I'm being dinged like this.

Thanks, Dan

PPLNS is a time-delayed method.  Whenever a block is solved, the payment is applied to the 10 open shifts.  A shift takes ~1 hour to complete, so this means each block is split based on the mining activity of users over the last 10 hours.  So while your machines were offline, you were continuing to get paid for most of that time (though it shrank as new shifts completed where you had no shares).

When you first started up again, you wouldn't have any shares in the open shifts.  It takes a while to rebuild shares in all shifts.  This is the "charge up" period, and when you stop mining it's the "wind down" period.  They're symmetrical, meaning you aren't making more or less depending on frequency of mining.  Each share's payout is completely independent of future and past mining activity.  This is explained in the Support/How Am I Rewarded section.
606  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Understanding subscribe method of stratum on: May 10, 2014, 12:27:04 PM
Ignore it.  In no implementation of stratum will you see the response identified on that page with mining.set_difficulty and a weird hex string after it mixed with the subscribe response.  You'll see the mining.notify/ae6812..../extranonce1/extranonce2 size.

https://www.btcguild.com/new_protocol.php
607  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Fascinating what Michael Deletes [BTCguild 90% luck and dropping] on: May 10, 2014, 12:12:27 PM
I think the options are:

- withholding attack
- malicious op
- some other attack we don't know about
- ridiculous bad luck streak

Keep in mind Eligius is at 93% luck for 90 days as well.  But no one is complaining there.

M

At least a significant portion of the recent bad luck streak was already traced to a group of users that are developing their own ASICs, currently at ~1.8 PH/s.  They had previously mined on Eligius back in March and had solved blocks back then.  They moved to BTC Guild in early April, after difficulty crossed 4.2b.  They were not 1.8 PH/s at the start, they slowly grew over time.

We've since identified that their software was having problems at diff > uint32 maximum value (~4.2b).  They patched their software and went to Eligius to test the fix.  They solved a few blocks.  They had their accounts unfrozen on BTC Guild, and have since found a number of blocks in the last 24 hours for BTC Guild as well.

This being the Bitcoin community, most people are going to assume malice forever, even though these users got back to me immediately after their accounts were frozen when they could've easily proxied their miners and split them up more to make it impossible to trace.  They fixed the issue, and have since been reporting block solves as expected.
608  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp Transaction Fee Fraud - Charging up to 1.16% transaction fee. on: May 10, 2014, 08:51:30 AM
I like how the proposed fixes are all related to minimum order sizes rather than the obvious fix:

STOP ROUNDING TO THE NEAREST CENT!  You already support 8 decimals of precision on BTC.  Do it for fiat, and simply round down a user's available balance to 2 decimals when they want to pull money out.  Professional sites have done similar things for years.
609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: May 10, 2014, 05:46:22 AM
Any news on when the change over is going to happen?

It's been pushed back a little bit due to illness.  It will be announced clearly on the website when it happens.
610  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Fascinating what Michael Deletes [BTCguild 90% luck and dropping] on: May 09, 2014, 01:31:38 AM
p2pool ftw.

M

p2pool is just as vulnerable to withholding.  Maybe even moreso, since you can't actually take actions (ban/freeze accounts) against somebody doing it.
611  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Fascinating what Michael Deletes [BTCguild 90% luck and dropping] on: May 09, 2014, 01:30:47 AM
well then the game is over for public pool mining with no innovation here..  if there was already a solution there wouldn't be a problem

There is a very good solution but it will require a hard fork.

It seems to me that the solution you recommended earlier in this thread would allow a pool to withhold vital information about the hash's that a miner submits.  The miner wouldn't know if he really found a block or not or even know what difficulty of the share was.  So a miner would have no way to verify if a pool was above board or not or even know how much he was getting paid for his hash's.

The miner would know enough to know how many shares they submitted.  They would not know enough to know if they solved a block though.

The other question of course:  Would that proposed solution even work with existing ASICs, since you're changing the block header fields that are going to be hashed?  Not that it matters...nobody is going to hard fork bitcoin in order to preserve pools.
612  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 08, 2014, 10:00:28 PM
Have we ever had a closed shift with zero blocks?  Are we about to?

We didn't luckily.  The N value is currently at just under 9x diff.  I can only recall 2 blocks in the last 3 years that were worse than that on BTC Guild, 1 block on Slush, and 1 block on Deepbit.
613  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 08, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
current oddity shows pool speed at -100,000 TH

is something under maint or rebooted?

I reset the stats on the accounts that were frozen, because they've fixed the issue (confirmed solved blocks on Eligius with the same wallet as their Guild account).  I want to make sure I can accurately gauge their shares vs block solves.  Their accounts are disabled from receiving any payouts at the moment.

Kinda screwed up the pool speed calculation, trying to tweak that.

Before anybody says it:  No, they are not mining on the pool right now.  We're just stuck on a block at the moment.  ~5x current diff in shares submitted since the last solve.
614  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) on: May 08, 2014, 01:28:36 AM
What does CPPSRB stand for? Tried to Google without any luck.

Capped Pay Per Share with Recent Backpay.
615  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 08, 2014, 12:53:04 AM
I suspect they knew they had a problem, but I doubt they had any clue how to fix it.
Either way I think there's little that can be done.  And I for one am not going to demand their heads on a silver platter.

What kind of bitcoiner are you?  Don't you know that in these parts, everybody is all pro-anonymity...until you don't like them, in which case it's only reasonable to demand that a user's information be given out publicly to an angry mob?
616  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 07, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
I want to reserve the right to say firstly, its only an argument based on a presumption that is precluded by "without any malice".......and that part is yet to be determined ... yes?

Unfortunately proving "without any malice" is similar to proving a negative.  But all signs point to it NOT being malicious, given the user has been in communication with me.  Only issue is time zones so there's long gaps in communications.  If it was malicious, they'd have no reason to get in touch with me.  A malicious user of that size would already have known they were hurting themselves financially by doing the attack.  Resuming the attack with proxies and new accounts would be a drop in the bucket compared to the income they were sacrificing already.
617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: May 07, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
i have notice the profitability of the alt coins has gone down a lot. it takes about twice the time it used too from time scyptguild started until now to earn the same amount of bitcoins.  i think the mining world changed some with the invention of scrypt asics.

It's more due to the mass adoption of multicoin profit switching.  There simply aren't as many exploitable coins to make a profit off of anymore.
618  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 07, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
   I don't think "they" owe any of "us" anything.  If they had an issue, it's been recognized, with help and diligence in testing, "they" should be able to return to the pool and be a productive contributor. If "they" had enough speed to bring the collective results down, without malice intent, with the appropriate adjustments, "they" can be just as likely to boost "us" back up. In the LONG-TERM more than making up for any "losses" as others may cast upon them, and benefitting us all.
Want to walk me through that math?   Not possible.
"They" have only been on this pool 30-days before an audit popped an issue. What do you think it will take for a successful operation to over come "losses". Do you think that because they had a 30 day issue they are forever behind the 8-ball?

If they came back and mined for 1 month while not taking any payment from the pool, it would not make up for the difference (unless they were lucky or network diff suddenly got cut in half), since the difficulty is now higher than the month they started.  If they come back and add 10-15% to the pool's hash rate, and add 10-15% to the pool's blocks, that doesn't actually give anybody more money.  The slice they take out of each shift's payments would be roughly equal to the percentage of blocks they add to the pool.  That's a push.
619  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: May 07, 2014, 10:00:53 PM
  I don't think "they" owe any of "us" anything.  If they had an issue, it's been recognized, with help and diligence in testing, "they" should be able to return to the pool and be a productive contributor. If "they" had enough speed to bring the collective results down, without malice intent, with the appropriate adjustments, "they" can be just as likely to boost "us" back up. In the LONG-TERM more than making up for any "losses" as others may cast upon them, and benefitting us all.

Not correct.  Even if they come back and find blocks, that doesn't make up for the lost income from the month they were mining.  I'm still waiting for a response to my last email.  While I'd love to see them return some/all of the coins they mined in the last month and then work out a re-distribution for those shifts (recalculate the shifts with their shares excluded), past experience with payout errors (0.8 fucking up the backend and crediting miners as if network diff was from 2009 and costing me 1200 BTC for example) have made me fairly jaded when it comes to that.

Of course, Minor Miner's numbers are also completely wrong since he's using a 3 month luck figure when we know for a fact that the only confirmed "bad miners" were only around for 1 month.  Similarly, the assumption is that the pool luck would have been, at least, neutral without their influence, which is an assumption that has no basis.
620  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [810 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees + MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff] on: May 07, 2014, 09:51:04 PM
More hash on pool means more blocks = more frequent payouts even if your split is smaller, should be a net gain. BUT more hash on network all the time = less blocks for pool.

So pool gaining hash is good for everyone that mines on it, especially when it's expanding faster than network.

It's actually not a net gain, it's a push.  The gain is your variance decreases, but that doesn't mean you make more (or less).
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