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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multicoin Pool Done Right on: April 14, 2014, 12:08:45 AM
I do hope you change your mind about removing the autoconvert feature. I understand not wanting to waste your time on new pumpndumpers, but I think an ltc -> btc and btc -> ltc autoconvert feature would be useful in keeping some of your Scryptguild miners. I for one don't wish to sully my own laptop by visiting Cryptsy myself, and would rather you undertake this annoying and distasteful job for me Smiley

Edit: Plus if some people want to autoconvert some of their btc to ltc or doge, you might not need to use an external exchange much at all.

It may get added in after the integration, but at this time it's not on the road map.  It's a very grey area, and I've recently been debating removing it from ScryptGuild.  Since I've made the decision to merge the pools together, getting rid of the autoconvert seems to be the best move during that integration.


Ah, this has something to do with the recent changes to US tax law?

There have been no changes to US tax law, there has simply been an official interpretation of existing laws.  The currently published interpretations don't address virtual currency conversion.  But the problem is if they later interpret another law as being applicable to virtual currencies, it's retroactive since there was no CHANGE in the law.  The bright side is generally penalties can be fought in a retroactive applications.

This is the primary reason BTC Guild removed PPS & orphaned block payments.  Those two activities were grey areas, since the pool was providing miners with payments that weren't reflective of what the miners (in aggregate) were producing.  In those cases, you can say the pool paid miners, whereas for normal mining, the pool is not paying miners, simply providing the service of allocating/distributing their aggregate production.
742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multicoin Pool Done Right on: April 13, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
That is good to know.
I am glad you evaluated it so closely.
Are you going to just stick to those two or will a couple more be added in the future if they are viable coins and not crap coins?
Great work by the way.
 Smiley

I may add other scrypt coins if some appear that have: A) Been around for a while   B) Have a strong community effect   and C) Are worth mining.

So far the only two coins that fit that for scrypt are LTC and DOGE (and DOGE only because I feel the community around it won't disappear).



I do hope you change your mind about removing the autoconvert feature. I understand not wanting to waste your time on new pumpndumpers, but I think an ltc -> btc and btc -> ltc autoconvert feature would be useful in keeping some of your Scryptguild miners. I for one don't wish to sully my own laptop by visiting Cryptsy myself, and would rather you undertake this annoying and distasteful job for me Smiley

Edit: Plus if some people want to autoconvert some of their btc to ltc or doge, you might not need to use an external exchange much at all.

It may get added in after the integration, but at this time it's not on the road map.  It's a very grey area, and I've recently been debating removing it from ScryptGuild.  Since I've made the decision to merge the pools together, getting rid of the autoconvert seems to be the best move during that integration.
743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multicoin Pool Done Right on: April 13, 2014, 09:58:10 PM
After going over the options and looking at the effective profitability, I've finally come to a conclusion on the future of ScryptGuild.  As it currently exists, ScryptGuild will still be around for likely 1-2 more months.  Over that time period, I'm going to be working on BTC Guild and adding in Scrypt mining directly to BTC Guild instead of running them as two separate sites.

However, this eventual merger will NOT be a multicoin switching pool like ScryptGuild.  The sheer number of crappy coins out there, with hardforks every other week for one of them, and extremely slim (if any) profit margins over just straight LTC/DOGE mining is not worth it, and it's only getting worse as time goes on.


Once merged, BTC Guild's scrypt mining platform will only include DOGE and LTC.  Profit switching will be available between the two, but there will not be an auto-convert feature.  The one benefit to merging it directly into BTC Guild is significantly more awareness of the existence of a BTC Guild based scrypt pool.  I would expect the total scrypt hash rate to probably end up higher on BTC Guild than ScryptGuild has achieved, making LTC more reasonable to mine.

ScryptGuild was a project I put off for over a year, and unfortunately by the time I acted on it (mostly for a personal pet project), the profitability in multicoin switching was already sliding down drastically.  At this point it is not worth the time it would require to keep up with every shitcoin that launches/becomes profitable.  There are much better options for where to focus my efforts than a dying niche.



With all that said, I will say again:  ScryptGuild itself will still be around for at least 1-2 more months, with all features continuing to function normally.  Once I have the interface rigged up for BTC Guild to support the altcoins I will post additional news about the timeframe for ScryptGuild's closing.
744  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Blocks by unknown on: April 13, 2014, 08:16:24 PM
Ok... But then wouldnt it be their advantage to show more precise figures? As now people are aware what 51 % attack is and this kind of graph could just add to overall negative news to bitcoin.

From where organofcorti gets his data ?!=)

blockchain.info has lots of graphs.  Most of them have incomplete/inaccurate information.  They have no interested in showing precise figures because the data they're generally showing is just noise, it's not meaningful.  Their distribution graphs for example only go to *at most* 4 days.  That's an extremely small time frame, and due to the random nature of solving blocks, those graphs move drastically even though the actual hash rate distribution is fairly static.

Most pools sign their blocks in the coinbase.  Blockchain.info doesn't seem to reliably use that information, contributing to lots of unknown.  Some private companies always mine to the same address which is publicly known, but blockchain.info doesn't care.

Previous attempts by pool owners to get them to correct their information have always been met with silence.  Some pools (BitMinter is a common one) constantly have blockchain.info showing that pool mining a block they didn't actually mine, causing miners to think the pool is cheating them.
745  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Blocks by unknown on: April 13, 2014, 07:54:34 PM
organofcorti's weekly posts include a graph of actual hashrate distribution.  Don't use blockchain.info for your  source, they're lazy and inaccurate.  The actual unknown % of the network is only ~10%.
746  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 13, 2014, 07:53:48 PM
I really do not get why so many people stay with Eligius with all the issues they have.
I am not bashing them it just does not make sense.
It sucks all the people going to ghash.  That I do not like to see at all.
One friend of mine will not mine anywhere but there and he has over 15 th/s.  He says the steady luck is the reason why.



Yes, quite a few Eligius users have BTC Guild for their failover.  I know they've been under attack a lot recently, though for the last few weeks it hasn't affected the mining pool itself. 

Eligius has been suffering a DDoS for weeks now, mostly on the stats server.  There was also an issue where the NMC payouts were hijacked, so no-one's been getting NMC payouts for a few months.  The pool itself is stable, but the stats which so many rely on are a bit broken.

If they had graphs of luck like we do per shift, you'd see a LOT spikier luck because their N value is stupidly low.  They frequently have shares go entirely unpaid since they're only eligible for payment for about 35 minutes.
747  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [850 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: April 13, 2014, 05:13:24 AM
Been mining since Feb. 9th. Three of my 6 mining rigs have already paid for themselves, another will have paid for itself as soon as I sell the BTCs in my wallet (waiting for a slightly higher price) or can spend that disposable income that I did not have before on something else. Buying and selling BTC means staying glued to the computer all day and is too time consuming. If I wanted to day trade I would day trade stocks. As it is, I sit on my butt minting money or go do something else that is fun or interesting and mint money at the same time.

I get to write off the cost of the miners. They, like all capital equipment, are on a depreciation schedule so the price I paid for them does not stay fixed over the course of time. The calculators I have seen do not seem to account for this and that screws up the ROI formulas. I get to write off some portion of my home office, electricity costs, computer hardware that I use for monitoring or mining, and anything else a creative tax accountant can find. Do the mining calculators account for any of that? Not that I can tell. Sure, I have to pay income tax, so what, it is INCOME and so far it looks pretty good that I will have more income than outgo even if I account for the cost of the miners for ROI. My miners will keep making new money as long as running them does not exceed the cost of the electricity I use and the price of BTC does not fall too low. That too appears to be a long way from happening.   Kiss

Writing off the cost of equipment doesn't change the ROI.  If your equipment+expenses to mine $4,500 in BTC was $5,000, you still lost money.  Writing off expenses doesn't put money back in your pocket.
748  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 12, 2014, 10:26:12 PM
btcguild has been my favorite for sometime... but the bad luck is killing me.....


any idea who owns the unknown mining thats taking up 31% of the network?

I know a lot of it is KNC.  organofcorti's weekly posts include an *actual* breakdown of mining capacity.  I think the "unknown" amount for his reports is down to something like 5-7%.


As for luck:  All I can say is "that's luck for you".  You had about 6 months in a row paying above 100% by a few % each month, and now the last month and a half has been quite a bit below 100% (enough below to nuke the 3m/6m figures, if you shifted those figures back one month they'd still be above 100%).
749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multicoin Pool Done Right on: April 11, 2014, 12:15:32 AM
my SMC balance is also gone
and don't see it in the converted
It has disappeared from the web site, but my SMC balance still appears in M's Pool Monitor, which suggests that it still being fed to the API.

SMC was disabled due to a hardfork that was poorly implemented/announced.  It's not removed from the site entirely (yet), I'm looking at possible ways to revert out the huge number of orphaned blocks mined on the wrong fork.  You'll notice we haven't touched it in almost 3 days now.

As for the roadmap for the site, expect more news after April 15th.  The last week has been nothing but traveling and meeting with accountants and lawyers to make sure everything is being properly taken care of on tax & legal fronts.  ScryptGuild is something I moved forward on which was in a significantly more grey area due to the auto conversion aspects.
750  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 10, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
I belive many ppl from eligius switch over due to the pool problem. if you see their hashrate drop alot

Yes, quite a few Eligius users have BTC Guild for their failover.  I know they've been under attack a lot recently, though for the last few weeks it hasn't affected the mining pool itself.  Not quite sure exactly where this 1-1.3 PH/s came from other than a huge growth from Team "Arendelle".
751  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 10, 2014, 04:58:47 PM
Shifts are based on # of shares submitted, not a length of time.  So it will always fluctuate (and always has).  The number of shares per shift is also routinely increased as pool speed increases, to keep the length of shifts in the 50-60 minute range while maintaining an 'N value' of at least 10x the current difficulty.  It was actually increased recently (from 5.5b to 6b) due to the rise from 6000-6500 TH/s to 7100-7200.  But there seems to have been a huge spike the hash rate in the last few hours.  If the hash rate remains high the shares per shift will be increased again.

I was wondering, the ScryptGuild counterpart has fixed time shifts, is there a reason why the BTC side has fixed number of shares ? In other words, wouldn't it be an advantage to have fixed time shifts in BTC Guild too ? At least it should be transparent to hash rate variations.


The reason ScryptGuild is fixed time and BTC Guild is share count based is due to variance and also time delay effects on a pool that is essentially a hopper in itself (ScryptGuild).

The biggest complaint against traditional PPLNS systems is that if the pool has very bad luck, your work can go *completely* unpaid.  BTC Guild uses the highest 'N value' of any PPLNS pool, generally 10-15x the current network difficulty (and when we were a huge part of the network it was ~20x network difficulty).  This extremely high N value means that an individual share is more likely to get it's expected value by the time it is moved out of the open shifts.

Obviously, very bad luck will strike at times, and similarly a huge spike in blocks can also happen.  But with a huge N value, it *generally* falls close to neutral.  Even with BTC Guild's bad luck the last month, your average *per share* variation was almost always +/- 25% of neutral.  In a round based system, your per share variation will generally be much further from neutral (in the end it still averages out of course) on a per share basis.  With the PPLNS on BitMinter and GHash.io, it is possible, and does happen, for a share to go completely unpaid because no block is found before it's shift is closed.  Again, in the long run they all average out, but it's nice to not have a period of mining go *completely* unpaid if the pool finds no blocks.


So BTC Guild is focused on variance, and it's manually adjusted via share count to keep it in the sweet spot of maturation time (time before a share gets completely paid) and share variance.  ScryptGuild on the other hand isn't really capable of focusing on share variance due to the nature of multicoin hopping, so it uses a consistent shift time in order to keep maturation of shares relatively short (5 hours).
752  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 10, 2014, 09:45:08 AM
  I'm not increasing/decreasing my worker speed but the difference in shares submitted per shift by my worker is decreasing in a significant way when you compare how many I submit in 58 minute shift to a 52 minutes shift. I would say the difference is a little more than 1000 shares per shift with 15.3 Gh/s combined device speed. But the pool has so far had a consistency in shift length that varies over days time not the current hour by hour that is happening right now. The 50 minute mark is what I was unsure of as the minimum target thanks for reposting that.
   I believe we are starting to see a significant number of batch 1 Antminer S2's and the beginning of batch 2 deliveries beginning to come online. I think it will be difficult to keep up with adjusting the shift size if these miners keep jumping pools looking for the "Lucky" at the moment most profitable pool, and the impact of increasing/decreasing shift time variance on a per shift level that has an over all affect of +-7 minutes from just a handful of workers.

Again...you are NOT affected by shifts getting shorter.  Your shares per shift goes down.  That means *nothing* because you are completing more shifts in the same time frame.  The expected blocks per shift is the same whether the shifts complete in 5 minutes or 5 hours (as long as they're based on share count).  The per shift variance is the same in BOTH cases.

This would be the same as complaining that a pool grew too much and now it finds blocks too fast.  Yes, you get a lower reward per block (in this case, per shift).  But you complete more blocks (shifts) in a larger time frame (24 hours for example), and the net effect is less variance overall with the same expected reward.
753  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 10, 2014, 09:15:13 AM
  Why does it seem like the length of time for each shift to be completed has begun to vary from shift to shift and has become less consistent for the last 24 hours ? I seem to remember something about the shift ends when a certain amount of work is submitted but lately the amount of time involved has had more variance than usual. At least that's my twisted perception. Huh

Shifts are based on # of shares submitted, not a length of time.  So it will always fluctuate (and always has).  The number of shares per shift is also routinely increased as pool speed increases, to keep the length of shifts in the 50-60 minute range while maintaining an 'N value' of at least 10x the current difficulty.  It was actually increased recently (from 5.5b to 6b) due to the rise from 6000-6500 TH/s to 7100-7200.  But there seems to have been a huge spike the hash rate in the last few hours.  If the hash rate remains high the shares per shift will be increased again.

The time a shift lasts is irrelevant.  The expected block solves per shift is entirely based on the # of shares per shift, which is why BTC Guild uses a Share Count instead of a Time Frame for closing shifts, in order to keep the expected block solves per shift high (which reduces per-shift variance).
754  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [850 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: April 09, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
over 19hrs since our last block and the 1 day pool luck is 140%...?

that's retarded...

That's because Slush's pool luck stat is only updated when a block is solved, so it always shows a completely inaccurate luck figure before a long round finishes.
755  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [7000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 09, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
Does anyone know if BTCGuild and Scryptguild is affected by the OpenSSL vulnerability?

Pool mining and the bitcoind's were not affected since they do not use SSL.  The website was not affected because it is served via Cloudflare, which patched this vulnerability a week before it was announced (they were one of the companies which were notified before it was disclosed publicly).
756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multicoin Pool Done Right on: April 05, 2014, 11:00:26 AM
Where I can find the non-automatic conversion now? I found Automatic Conversion on/off button only.

If you want to turn off automatic conversion for a certain coin, set an extremely high reserve for it and set your wallet to a local wallet or an exchange.  Manual conversion was only available as a means to test a high volume of trades on Cryptsy to identify all of their (MANY) API failure/errors/inconsistencies before automating the process.
757  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: April 05, 2014, 04:45:50 AM
  Umm, I noticed that the dashboard behavior has changed a little bit this morning. It seems like each time a block is found it lists it as "Orphaned" for a short time then sometimes switches to "waiting for conformation". Of course this also seems to be affected by the length of time it takes to be confirmed. I wondered if it was really the intent to always list new found blocks as "Orphaned" initially or is this still in the tweaking phase ??

Thanks for the report, I'll take a look.  I've never caught it showing 'Orphaned' instead of "Waiting for confirmation" so the window of time that it shows that is pretty small.  Will look into why it might be doing that.


EDIT:  Found it, looks like there's a 1 minute window where it would show Orphaned.  When it inserts the found block into the database it doesn't insert as 1 confirmation, but 0.  Then the next minute when it checks for confirmations it updates it to 1.  Fixed it so it starts at 1 as it should.
758  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: give me coins on: April 04, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
Thanks for the opinion, some miners over there are saying that at 10 billion shares, the pool went offline, then when came back on went back to 9 billion shares without a payout....apparently has done this twice.... admins put it down to hardware problems, some miners are putting it down to skimming etc etc.... im just unsure what to do for the best.

At current network difficulties, a block can easily take 35-45 billion shares without even being a "record breaking" bad luck block.  It's uncommon, but not extremely rare, for a block to take > 5x difficulty worth of shares.  Most large pools that have been around for a while have all had a few blocks that have taken 7-9x difficulty before.  The record, as far as I know, was between 10 and 11x.
759  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Discus Fish is getting Huge on: April 04, 2014, 06:16:32 PM
They have the home field advantage when it comes to ASICs, since the majority of ASICs that are actually shipping are all made in China.  Additionally, it's difficult for miners in China to actually mine on pools, generally requiring proxy/VPN services in order to get past the Great Firewall of China, so Discus Fish makes it much easier for them to mine on a pool.
760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multipool Done Right on: April 04, 2014, 08:42:13 AM
well we will look that will be in 24 hours
 Cool

Just remember that PPLNS means when you turn off you continue getting payments for the next 4-5 hours.  Meaning you don't have 13 hours of mining time paid, you have 8 hours of data that is fully paid and 5 hours that is not.


However, I'm going to say this again because I continue seeing people post it:

PPLNS, does not, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, penalize you for idle time, disconnects, turning your miners off, etc.  If you have someone tell you this, they do not know what they are talking about.  The slow rewards at the start of mining under PPLNS are the inverse to the rewards you receive when you stop mining later.  It's a symmetrical process.  The expected value of a share submitted under PPLNS does not change regardless of what you did before submitting that share or what you do after submitting that share.
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