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481  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 29, 2014, 08:04:18 PM
Difficulty: 16,818,461,371 (+24.93% over previous).  We're now approaching the fun territory where it is possible for a shift to go unpaid if a block lasts too long (in terms of shares, not time).

Shifts are ~11b shares currently, meaning the total 'N' value is at ~110b, which is 6.875x current difficulty.  This is the largest 'N' value of any PPLNS pool currently, but since the pool is not growing as fast as the network, it is slowly losing ground compared to difficulty.  This means that if a block takes more than 7x the current diff in shares, at least one shift will go unpaid.  You'll see this on GHash (much more frequently since their 'N' value is very low), p2pool, and BitMinter as well when a particularly long block hits.  Again, 'long' in this sense is a measure of shares, not time, though the two are related.
482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: June 29, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Wow, c'mon guys stop using this thread as a place to post ads.
eleuthria has done a great job creating an autoswitch scrypt pool and the least you could do is Be Quiet

When will we get a 24hr "total earned" window/statements?
Will the Worker Graph section ever be tweaked to be more readable?

24h total earned is coming with the changes since all earnings will be in either BTC or LTC (user's choice) after the change.  Worker graphs will be trimmed down to max out at 1-month, but you can already zoom in on them to make it more readable by clicking and dragging over a time period.
483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: June 28, 2014, 06:52:21 AM
There was a brief outage earlier, roughly 10 minutes.   Normally the system would have restarted itself, but due to some of the rewrites that have been taking place, the automatic reset did not function properly.

I've restored the server process and fixed the auto-restart script.  The pool rewrite is still taking place, just on a much slower schedule due to packing up most of my house to prepare for moving early next month.  The new system will be held off until after the move is complete to make sure I'm not deploying a new system then becoming unavailable while moving.
484  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 27, 2014, 11:58:39 PM
Sorry to be pedantic:

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2) Pool hash rate is shrinking proportionally to the network (IE: Network grows 30%, pool only grows 20%) => Lower rate of block finds, you get a smaller reward per block.

I've bolded the one that is most likely given the current mining climate.
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Your bold'un is still not quite right.

As long as your hash rate increases proprtionally with the pool hash rate, then the no matter what happens with difficulty or network hash rate, your block reward will remain the same. You might find fewer blocks however but your block reward only goes down if you don't match the increases in your pool rate.

I clearly stated at the top of the numbered list "Assuming your hash rate does not grow".
485  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 27, 2014, 08:33:25 PM
Slightly correct actually...

Nah. If the only thing to increase was difficulty then your reward per round on slush pool would not change. You'd just find fewer blocks...

Original statement was either 'correct' or 'incorrect' - mathematics knows of no 'slightly correct' - unless you bring in quantum theory...


Edited post to clarify that I was responding to your statement about difficulty not affecting slush reward per round.
486  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 27, 2014, 07:24:46 PM
If the difficulty goes up and u have 900 gh and receive .01 as reward per block found does the reward for your work drop as the difficulty goes up?

Correct. That is why a cryptocurrency miner must continually increase their hashrate

Not correct, increasing difficulty will not alter your slush reward per round - just makes blocks harder to find and hence you find them less often...

Slightly correct Not exactly.  You would assume if the difficulty is increasing, the pool hash rate is at least increasing slightly.


Assuming your hash rate does not grow:
1) Pool hash rate is growing at the same rate as the network => Same rate of block finds, but you get a smaller reward per block.
2) Pool hash rate is shrinking proportionally to the network (IE: Network grows 30%, pool only grows 20%) => Lower rate of block finds, you get a smaller reward per block.
3) Pool hash rate doesn't change => Lower rate of block finds, you get the same reward per block.
4) Pool hash rate is growing faster than network growth rate => Faster rate of block finds, but you get smaller rewards per block

In all 4 scenarios though, your expected earnings are decreasing since your hash rate is stagnant while the network difficulty continues to grow.


I've bolded the one that is most likely given the current mining climate.  Manufacturers are continuing to build up private mining farms which effectively shrink the share traditional pools have of the network, since Bitcoin is a zero-sum game.  For every large private farm that comes online, the amount which pools are able to obtain shrinks.



EDIT:  Edited to clarify what I was responding to.
487  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 27, 2014, 05:58:28 AM
Thank you so much!!!

It makes lot of sense now to me. Is there a wallet software, that will "show" which coins are qualifying for a fee free transaction?

I'm having trouble remembering if bitcoind/bitcoin-qt prioritized older coins (high coin age) or fewest inputs (least tx size).  I don't THINK it will automatically figure out the way to make one qualify for no fee.

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with 3rd party wallets to identify which ones (if any) will let you pick which inputs to use for making your transaction, or if any of them have been designed to attempt to prioritize making a transaction qualify for no-fee.
488  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 27, 2014, 04:50:11 AM
I set my payout to 1 BTC, I use to get 4 per month now I get two. when it goes down to 1 per month I may set the threshold to .5 BTC if I don't upgrade my hardware. when I go to spend those BTC, I do so with no fees. I don't know what kind of example you are looking for.

I just wanna know, how you manage to transfer BTC, without paying fees. Lets assume I have 1 BTC, which I received from my pool with one single transaction. What do I do (beside changing transaction fee to 0 in the wallet settings), to transfer 0.5 BTC without paying a fee? Will this be confirmed? When?

These questions bother me a lot, cause the way I understood the TX fee process, is that miners choose which TX to include in their blocks. And if someone is not paying the fee, the TX might not be confirmed at all...

Thank you.

When you try to send coins, you do so by picking inputs (payments you've received) which are equal to or greater than the amount you want to send.  The extra amount is sent back as change to yourself, and sometimes a piece of your inputs are used to pay a transaction fee.

The need to pay a transaction fee is based on the priority of your transaction.  This is determined by the "coin age" of your inputs.  Generally, "1 coin day" worth of age is high enough to avoid fees, as long as the transaction isn't huge.  A "coin day" would be 1 BTC with 144 confirmations, which is the target number of blocks in an average day.  If your input is 0.5 BTC, it would need 288 confirmations.  If it's 0.1 BTC, 1440 confirmations.

There's a few other caveats to a "no fee" default transaction.  These are:  All the outputs are at least 0.01 BTC and the transaction is under 1 KB in size.  Both of these are fairly easy to meet as long as your wallet isn't full of small inputs.

More detail is included here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees


Keep in mind that these are the default rules.  There's a few other things that can create delays, such as other similar "qualified free transactions" with a higher priority than yours.  By default bitcoind only allocates a specific amount (17 KB IIRC) to processing no-fee + high priority transactions.
489  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: June 26, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
You'll see more consistent returns if the pool is a larger percentage of the "network".  For a multipool, the network isn't a single coin, but basically the combined speed of LTC+DOGE, since the speed moves between those two networks a lot based on profitability.  For most other coins, it's not that relevant, since they're only worth mining for short bursts, and even 6 GH/s is more than enough to squeeze profit out of them for that brief time.

The larger the pool gets, the more reliably we can find blocks, but the smaller reward you'll get per block, the same as regular pool mining.  The advantage is your returns will be closer to expectation since getting paid more often (but less each time) means that when there is bad luck, you're not missing out on as large a chunk as you would otherwise miss out on.
490  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 26, 2014, 05:12:13 AM
So it looks like they'e back according to the all time shares and blocks found columns, but they're not showing in the fastest users column.  So this puts them at somewhere around 5% of their 1+PH/s, right?

Like I said in the quote, they seem to have a few units failing over to BTC Guild once in a while, but nothing like what they were originally running.  If they submit a single share in a shift they'll reappear in the rankings for shares/blocks found until the next shift.
491  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [4000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: June 26, 2014, 03:20:38 AM
Is there any reason to not set the payout threshold to the minimum amount?

Pay less transaction fees

I'm confused. Isn't it a 2% fee?

If you're charged 2% on a $100 it's $2.00

If you have two transactions of $ 50 each each charge is $1.00 thus the same amount.



Not having read the entire conversation, I think they are talking about bitcoin network transaction fees, not pool fees. So two tranaction would each cost (hence 2X transaction fees).

Aren't transaction fees charged to the sender anyway? These would be operational costs for slush coming out of his income (2% fees) wouldn't they?

Yes, slush will have to pay transaction fees for your payouts.  However, when you try to spend your minimum payout coins, you too will be paying fees.

Bitcoin network fees are based on coin age and the size of your transaction.  Having lots of small inputs will end up costing you more in fees than a few larger inputs.  As a matter of fact, sufficiently large inputs are typically spendable with no fee while still having very fast confirmation times because the transaction will be less than 1 KB and have a high priority due to the number of confirmations on a single large input (meaning it will have very high "age" as part of the calculation for whether a transaction is spam).
492  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 25, 2014, 07:41:27 PM
Well with all the new miners getting ready to come out. I would say a lot of testing is going on (like at Bitmain) and some people are upgrading there farms in preparation for that. I am waiting on the s3 that should start to roll out next week sometime, and I hope to get 50 to 75 of them over the next month or so. I would look for the network to add around 20Ph over the next few months. So look out for 25% plus difficulty jumps.

20 PH/s over the next few weeks is more likely.  ASICMINER alone is going to be pushing out over 100 PH/s of chips in the next few months.
493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: June 24, 2014, 08:26:27 AM
I am just wondering why I am only getting shares for CSC LTC & DOGE and very rarely if at all for any other coins when I can see the pool has shares for them

Some people manually mine the other coins for some reason.  They are not worth mining the vast majority of the time.
494  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 23, 2014, 05:48:19 PM
Are people really that cheap that they won't pay 2% fees (or whatever it is now)?! For many people it's just pennies a day. I just don't get it.

When it's pennies per day yes it's a dumb move, but unfortunately the larger the operation the more that 2% starts to be a significant factor.

I expect that the recent huge growth at ghash.io isn't a result of people with a couple of antminers, it's BIG farms with hundreds of TH or even in the PH range.



People with farms that big generally don't stick on ghash.io for long.  Their uptime isn't great and they have non-existant support.  Even today, pool downtime can cause a lot more damage than it looks on paper due to reconnection/failover sometimes not working as expected.  If 1% of the time a pool outage causes a miner to stop working, that's a lot of time spent fixing miners in large farms.
495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta on: June 22, 2014, 04:25:37 PM
I'm still confused about solo mining? I have done some reading, but I don't get it.

the site says if you choose a coin to point your miners at, you will effectively be solo mining untill the pool joins you, So, If I am alone and manage to find a block, Will the rewards be spread to the pool, Or will I reap the rewards myself to the full block? And if I select a coin and the pool joins me and I find the block, Does this get shared out or as I selected to solo, I will get the lot?



You won't be *solo mining*, but your rewards won't be much different than if you were.  The MAJORITY of the pool is on automatic switching.  If you pick a coin manually, you're no longer getting any benefit from pool mining unless a few other users are also manually picking that same coin, which is extremely unlikely.
496  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1450 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff] on: June 22, 2014, 04:24:11 PM
Thanks,
Couldn't someone strip that pool specific portion of the hash for non-winning work and submit it to a different pool then?  (or does it change with each hash also?)

Changing a single bit in the work template the pool gave you will completely change the result of hashing in a non-deterministic way.  So if you change anything about the work, you have to re-hash it.  There is no way to squeeze out "extra" shares from the same amount of work by submitting to multiple pools.
497  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 21, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
There's rumor going round that the 1 Ph/s user could be S3 units in testing but who knows.

The 1 PH/s user has been around for a lot longer.  They were 700 TH - 1PH/s+ for the last couple months.
498  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Some new pools doing well recently on: June 21, 2014, 04:48:00 PM
They're not new players.  The problem was blockchain.info basically ignored 20% of the KNOWN sources of blocks, and also associated many blocks incorrectly on top of that.
499  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1450 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff] on: June 21, 2014, 07:48:29 AM
I dont know how stratum works at all, but the only solution I can think off that would be 100% watertight is changing the protocol in such a way that the miner can not know if his share solves a block or a not, and only the pool can determine that. Is that something thats even theoretically possible to implement?

Not without a Bitcoin hardfork.  Miners inherently have to know if their hash solves a block, because they need to know if their hash meets the difficulty the pool expects.  It's the same string of binary either way, one just has more 0-bits in front than the other.
500  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: June 20, 2014, 07:43:25 PM
my sp10's and a few antminer s1's are showing btc guild as dead. any one else having issues?

No issues server side.  # of users connected on the pool stats page confirms if there is an issue, it's 100% local to the users affected.
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