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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
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No news from mr_random yet.
So it's confirmed that he's a shill? Seems like it, colluded and will only pm details to whoever he choose to Lol you are a huge troll. I just said, you guys can pick either the moderator of someone with a large post count who can be trusted and isn't part of this witch hunt. Are you saying the moderator isn't trustworthy?Send it to skull88, he's been here since 2010 and has decent post count.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 04:20:27 AM
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I should point out that a person can be a 'shill' or 'pumper' for a new coin even if they DID buy them, if something is a pump and dump the originator of the scheme still needs more voices to create the pump and selling some coins to others who will then in their own self interest pump the coin. No direct collusion is really necessary, it's just the obvious thing for all parties to do, no winking or nodding required. This is why it is fundamentally so HARD to bootstrap new currency by selling it from a central authority, it's an insidiously corrupting process. New currency needs massive widespread distribution and preferably by gifting it rather then selling it.
You are correct. However these shills will usually say "you are jelly because you didn't get in early" and newbs usually believe that. In this one case we were able to find proof to expose the scam and shills, people should be aware at all times.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 03:06:36 AM
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So it's a deal.
Mr_Random will provide you the proof you are requesting and you agree not to disclose any of the information you receive. You then will change the title or close the thread and this will be over and settled.
Of course, Mr_Random agrees not to get his lawyers involved.
And the waiting games begin, I want to see that proof and name of the insider already
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:55:57 AM
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PM each other... ymer don't disclose what you see. You don't need to take it to the Nth degree.
You are putting mr_r in a CATCH 22 position. If he doesn't disclose: he is a Shill. If he does disclose and it's public: he is a bad business trader.
I accept this deal. If he doesn't give proof he's Shill, if he doesn't he's innocent and just happened to made a deal with an insider. This doesn't even make sense.. Of course it does. Heads he wins, tails you lose. Want to play again? LOL, I edited it sorry.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:54:20 AM
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This thread is full of angst.
You will hear from my lawyer? (sigh)
Also - every coin other than BTC and LTC with few exceptions is/was a scam to make the insiders rich.
The same thing happened with FTC - it was so obvious with all the new alt accounts appearing that only posted about FTC and how much they LOVE them.
Also re: BTB - if you get 40 from the dev (or buy them way way cheap), then you are being paid to set up straw transactions buying them at higher prices to fake demand, I am surprised he did not buy more to pump demand.
I am not going to complain too much I have made some money from these alts - way beyond what I would have made hashing otherwise - so really who cares?
People should realize there are a lot of fake trade transactions posted probably by the same person/and or co-conspirator to fake drive up a frenzy of demand, and that ALL THE RECENT COINS WERE PRE-MINED, and GROSSLY UNFAIR.
Just don't care that much. People are sheep/cattle and when you give them the fake impression that everyone is running in a direction they will follow - but for real.
This is the truth, however why should ge accept the scammers to keep flooding the forum with the scamcoins? they will end up runing the game and reputation of cryptos.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:52:44 AM
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PM each other... ymer don't disclose what you see. You don't need to take it to the Nth degree.
You are putting mr_r in a CATCH 22 position. If he doesn't disclose: he is a Shill. If he does disclose and it's public: he is a bad business trader.
I accept this deal. If he doesn't give proof he's Shill, if he does then he's innocent and just happened to made a deal (purchase) with an insider.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:47:05 AM
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1. I don't know if they were given or purchased Of course you do! What would be the point of making this thread if he bought the coin? That's how capitalism works, someone has something you want, you buy it. However you know they were given him due to ulterior motive or you wouldn't have wasted your time making this thread. Please post who gave him the coin, why they gave him the coin, and who the developers are. I don't know why you're helping him cover this up but you're coming across as very suspect here. lol I didn't realize you were trolling until now. Got me good
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:44:05 AM
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this is so pathetic !!! could not find anything wrong with BitBar so then go after proven trustworthy people to try and drag Bitbar and innocent people threw the mud . First they said BitBar was pre-mined We proved them wrong. Now they are trying to slander peoples good name because they hate BitBar . Hate to tell you but each time you make a fuss about bitbar and get proven your allegations were wrong you make BitBar stronger so please keep trying to sell slander and lies.
In BitBar we trust
Captain Obvious has spoken!!! i just don't care bro all this he said she said , shill crap is beyond dumb at some point you have to just say can't we all just get along and stop with the hate. Crypto was supposed to be fun and people are forgetting that. They made have made crypto about greed and hate . We are better than this people "I'm in for the fun, but I'll make an exchange for the coin that I support ASAP" [ANN] BitBar exchange. Consolidating your digital wealthYes i am creating an exchange. I believe BitBar will save crypto . i have nothing but love for ya man becausue your here and apart of cryto therefor your a friend to me .Lets just treat each other better Now i am going to get my acoustic and we are going to sing Why would a flawed coin from the begining save crypto? I already gave you a link and a quote to the thread that I made showing the obvious flaws... are you using incompetence from the devs as an excuse?
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:39:23 AM
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Posting proof I am innocent of claims on every page until the OP stops these unfair allegations towards me Proof that I was paying for my BitBars:Item 1What makes you think he didn't just buy them from the person who mined them? Much like he bought 4 (well just under after fees) off me for 1.6 BTC. Status: 750 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:48 To: mr_random B7BeA9WHxmuUrYhQq7NeckRDhbY99WgG6x Debit: -0.3999 BTB Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTB Net amount: -0.40 BTB Transaction ID: 70886f28350ea98313e1c4ac6d251b47a37725cfac6de5b7892f94e4ec2adae1
Status: 919 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:50 To: mr_random B7BeA9WHxmuUrYhQq7NeckRDhbY99WgG6x Debit: -3.5998 BTB Transaction fee: -0.0002 BTB Net amount: -3.60 BTB Transaction ID: dfbce6af88aefa3c170cb11ef5a36246493119db11a51075459193ae4a002ab9 Status: 345 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:58 From: unknown To: 1JsJPdcJ1qJmKdeTa8jwqnfsXFwppzaBwH (own address, label: mr_random) Credit: 1.60 BTC Net amount: +1.60 BTC Transaction ID: ac90117a0af4984d9b5c089e44b8f38b864c6b7cf3a99857513ca850051377bb Item 2:Successul trade that was done publicly: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194243.msg2017598#msg2017598Item 3:For the 40BTB I bought off a member that ymer keeps whining about - I will pm the transaction proof to someone who is trustworthy and they will immeadiately confirm that I paid for the bitbar fair and square. It was not given to me for free, I am not a shill, I haven't done anything wrong. I had no clue who the member was in relation to the BitBar project at the time. Moderators of the forum can also go through my private messages, I have nothing to hide. Who are you trying to fool? you purchased some Bitbars and that evidence was already posted BY ME in Original Post. I thoght you were going to go to sleep and sue me tomorrow No. Item 1 was not posted by you. Yet another false claim. The moderators of the forum are welcome to go through my private messages, to see the transactions etc. Just to shut you up and your false allegations against me. LOOL read OP again, I'm linking to the same thread that you are using as proof, that transaction came from the same post that I obtained your BitBar Address from, the link and quote is in Original Post. Also you say it's "Another false claim" how many false claims have I made in this thread? I'm asking you for proof, you are not providing, I provided plenty of evidence on OP, all from your own posts and from the blockchain itself. Still trying to fool us with your legit purchase and still not explaining how you got ahold of 40 Bitbars from the Developer/Insider hoarders.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:36:49 AM
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this is so pathetic !!! could not find anything wrong with BitBar so then go after proven trustworthy people to try and drag Bitbar and innocent people threw the mud . First they said BitBar was pre-mined We proved them wrong. Now they are trying to slander peoples good name because they hate BitBar . Hate to tell you but each time you make a fuss about bitbar and get proven your allegations were wrong you make BitBar stronger so please keep trying to sell slander and lies.
In BitBar we trust
Captain Obvious has spoken!!! i just don't care bro all this he said she said , shill crap is beyond dumb at some point you have to just say can't we all just get along and stop with the hate. Crypto was supposed to be fun and people are forgetting that. They made have made crypto about greed and hate . We are better than this people "I'm in for the fun, but I'll make an exchange for the coin that I support ASAP" [ANN] BitBar exchange. Consolidating your digital wealth
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:34:57 AM
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Posting proof I am innocent of claims on every page until the OP stops these unfair allegations towards me Proof that I was paying for my BitBars:Item 1What makes you think he didn't just buy them from the person who mined them? Much like he bought 4 (well just under after fees) off me for 1.6 BTC. Status: 750 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:48 To: mr_random B7BeA9WHxmuUrYhQq7NeckRDhbY99WgG6x Debit: -0.3999 BTB Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTB Net amount: -0.40 BTB Transaction ID: 70886f28350ea98313e1c4ac6d251b47a37725cfac6de5b7892f94e4ec2adae1
Status: 919 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:50 To: mr_random B7BeA9WHxmuUrYhQq7NeckRDhbY99WgG6x Debit: -3.5998 BTB Transaction fee: -0.0002 BTB Net amount: -3.60 BTB Transaction ID: dfbce6af88aefa3c170cb11ef5a36246493119db11a51075459193ae4a002ab9 Status: 345 confirmations Date: 03/05/2013 19:58 From: unknown To: 1JsJPdcJ1qJmKdeTa8jwqnfsXFwppzaBwH (own address, label: mr_random) Credit: 1.60 BTC Net amount: +1.60 BTC Transaction ID: ac90117a0af4984d9b5c089e44b8f38b864c6b7cf3a99857513ca850051377bb Item 2:Successul trade that was done publicly: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194243.msg2017598#msg2017598Item 3:For the 40BTB I bought off a member that ymer keeps whining about - I will pm the transaction proof to someone who is trustworthy and they will immeadiately confirm that I paid for the bitbar fair and square. It was not given to me for free, I am not a shill, I haven't done anything wrong. I had no clue who the member was in relation to the BitBar project at the time. Moderators of the forum can also go through my private messages, I have nothing to hide. Who are you trying to fool? you purchased some Bitbars and that evidence was already posted BY ME in Original Post. I thoght you were going to go to sleep and sue me tomorrow
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:33:33 AM
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Insider or Creator transfered a considerable ammount of BitBars to mr_random 2hrs after it went live... said BitBars are worth 80 BTC at the moment equivalent to $9,120
-Where's your evidence one of the coin developers transferred 40 coins to mr_random? -What is the motivation for the coin developer to transfer 40 coins to mr_random? -If you have no evidence he received coins from the developer, this thread has no purpose. Read OP please, and stop showing your stuipidity. Hint: you must be able to know how to read the chain logs posted on OP No dude, evidence the coin came from the developer, and motive for the developer to give the coin to mr_random. All you posted is a transaction log, no evidence. Ughh who else could have mined right after the announcement (1-2 minutes after) besides insiders and developer? are you this retarded? Hey I was wondering, how do you know the developer gave him this bitbar and he didn't buy it? Also, several people have mentioned on this forum that they were mining within a couple minutes of the coin announcement. How many developers did the coin have? Please post the list! Thanks. 1. I don't know if they were given or purchased, that's why the callout thread, mr_random keeps saying he bought them and that he won't give proof to anyone except to one person and only if he keeps it private. 2. Developers wished to remain annonymous. 1 + 1
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BitBar] Calling out first uncovered SHILL mr_random
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on: May 06, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
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this is so pathetic !!! could not find anything wrong with BitBar so then go after proven trustworthy people to try and drag Bitbar and innocent people threw the mud . First they said BitBar was pre-mined We proved them wrong. Now they are trying to slander peoples good name because they hate BitBar . Hate to tell you but each time you make a fuss about bitbar and get proven your allegations were wrong you make BitBar stronger so please keep trying to sell slander and lies.
In BitBar we trust
BitBar Didn't Pre-Mine, they were just conveniently readyOfficial announcement on this board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193519.0 Time: 05:30:04 PM Announcement: 17:30:04 First Block mined: 17:32:10 (Difficulty 0.00) (Reward 1 Bitbar per block) First Hundred blocks: 17:33:24 First 200 blocks: 17:36:16 First 300 blocks: 17:39:42 First Thousand blocks: 18:01:22 First 2000 blocks: 18:40:45 (Difficulty 0.012) (Reward 0.528202 per block) . . . . Current Block 6000 (Difficulty 15.291) (Reward 0.164687 per block) So from the time that it was announced to the time someone has time to read the announcement, download the client and configure the .config you need at least 15 minutes, by that time 500 Bitbar were already in the hands of the creator and the people that was aware before the announcement. Now take into account that the reward is rapidly decreasing, the "conveniently ready miners" are hoarding a huge ammount of bitbars which were easily mined right after the announcement: Here's one of said wallets: http://btb.cryptocoinexplorer.com/address/BCJ49q7DHd4sCzwiQ1FDmTx7saxV7fDqX8
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