I found firm evidences how P.Vernon financed Bitebi9 exchange by money from Cryptsy users.Bitebi9 was founded 28th.July.2015 and start capital was 300.000 CNY(picture below) ~ $46.000 ~ 184 BTC at that time. Money came from Cryptsy old hot wallet(founded before theft) which was used only for paying Cryptsy expenses and refunding new hot wallet from time to time - users did not receive BTC directly from it at all. From Cryptsy old hot wallet money went to address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S at BTCC China exchange,where BTC were changed to CNY. For period July 2015 - January 2016, 543.5 BTC came from old hot Cryptsy wallet to this address on BTCC.In 2 such transactions 150 BTC and 200 BTC were transfered directly to BTCC - that is far over 100 BTC limit per transaction for users,so there are no doubt that is not user ,but P.Vernon. Another indication that it is P.Vernon account is that this address received directly from Cryptsy old hot wallet 16 BTC on 10.January.2016,just few days before closure and in time when receiving just 0.01 BTC was impossible. https://www.walletexplorer.com/address/17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4SWhat is also interesting that this address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S received 56 BTC from Bittrex and 100 from BTC-e,two exchanges that "hacker" used to sell stolen altcoins and convert them in BTC. Can the forensics link those trans id's to a cold wallet in bitebi9 somewhere? Should be easy enough with a small deposit to bitebi9 somewhere that shows they go to the same place? I don't think Bao is smart enough to use mixers... if he was you could question why an ethical exchange used mixers. All these BTC went to BTCC China(probably on his Chinese paramour account) and were sold for CNY needed for Bitebi9 opening and working expenses.They did not come to Bitebi9 wallet. Bao did not use mixers,because he did not trust them - Cryptsy "hacker" like Bao ,also did not use mixers. As seen Bao sucked BTCs from Cryptsy wallets to the very end.Big sucker indeed. Now I will try to find direct connection between BTCs from Cryptsy and $1.3 millions(2600-2800 BTC at that time)used for paying Paul - Bao big house.If he sucked his exchange for Bitebi9 project,no doubt he was also sucked it for the house.He used Cryptsy to finance his personal expenses.
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I found firm evidences how P.Vernon financed Bitebi9 exchange by money from Cryptsy users.Bitebi9 was founded 28th.July.2015 and start capital was 300.000 CNY(picture below) ~ $46.000 ~ 184 BTC at that time. Money came from Cryptsy old hot wallet(founded before theft) which was used only for paying Cryptsy expenses and refunding new hot wallet from time to time - users did not receive BTC directly from it at all. From Cryptsy old hot wallet money went to address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S at BTCC China exchange,where BTC were changed to CNY. For period July 2015 - January 2016, 543.5 BTC came from old hot Cryptsy wallet to this address on BTCC.In 2 such transactions 150 BTC and 200 BTC were transfered directly to BTCC - that is far over 100 BTC limit per transaction for users,so there is no doubt that is not user ,but P.Vernon. Another indication that it is P.Vernon account is that this address received directly from Cryptsy old hot wallet 16 BTC on 10.January.2016,just few days before closure and in time when receiving just 0.01 BTC was impossible. https://www.walletexplorer.com/address/17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4SWhat is also interesting that this address 17UFQvsFyq7z2tUHHWhAkGsLTYEaCZZp4S received 56 BTC from Bittrex and 100 from BTC-e,two exchanges that "hacker" used to sell stolen altcoins and convert them in BTC.
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Vernon hired lawyer after receivership,not before - that means he knew there are no coins or money left on Cryptsy,but he needs a lawyer to save his skin from criminal charges. How he will pay $400/hour lawyer when he claimed during divorce that he has no income at all and when he gave all his properties and money on US accounts to his now former wife? That man without anything obliged to pay by divorce agreement: - $20.000 for real estate tax on big house - $15.000 fee for his wife lawyer Brinkley Morgan - obliged to continue paying his $1.000.000 life insurance and $2.500 monthly for child support Plus how he will explain 75 BTC received directly in cold wallet(and stayed there until theft) from one of seized Silkroad BTC accounts during time when Shaun Bridges controlled them? There is no lawyer on Earth who will save him from criminal charges.
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There are no coins or money at Cryptsy.All have been meticulously swept by Vernon(part for exchange expenses,part for Bitebi9 opening and part directly in pockets($1.5 mil house,SUVs,other)).He probably left some coins enough to cover debt to 3 plantiffs and that is all.He wont come back to US voluntarily and probably bought few citizenships and passports from miniature Pacific island states.
He plays on time,that people will forget.But laundering 12.000 BTC from BTC wallets and 4400 form selling altcoins is far from easy.These are tainted coins and every exchange will seize them at least for themselves for sure.They are unspent for so long,because one who took them is not from pro theft hacker teams and does not have trust in known BTC launders.
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If Paul releases the Casinocoins, I have decided to give him permission to keep other coins he is still holding onto free and clear. Seems like a fair resolution to this whole mess and we can put it all behind us. No need for bankruptcy, etc.
pitchforks & torches lit already... imo it's too late for niceties Everyone has right to choose what is the best for him/her
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I think the real crime is this: $10/hour
I mean how the fuck does Vern find all these free and minimum wage employees? Actually I think the minimum wage in DC is $10.50 but the point is that said employees are either unqualified, or idiots. Or dcgirl missed a zero or some other digit there. I find one job offer advertisment from Project Investors Inc for Compliance Officer(I think it was position of Jim Shockney) for salary of $39000 per year:http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Project-Investors-Inc
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I found that 4 persons left to work on Cryptsy to the very end - Jim Shockney,Horus,Mullick and I thought that 4th would be DC Girl.
I was wrong,4th person was Roman Almanza,Senior Financial Analyst,the person who was responsible for all finances on Cryptsy and the one who knows all about Cryptsy money operations.He could be valuable witness.
He first studied business and financial administration in Saratov,Russia and interesting thing is that he appears by two different names - Dmitry R Almanza and Roman Almanza.
http://www.indeed.com/r/Roman-Almanza/450c10f4bc30d741#_ga=1.7364658.1263527337.1459745828
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In Silver Law lawsuit documents about Paul Vernon and his former wife,said that Cryptsy is under investigation by IRS Criminal Investigation Division and SEC:
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Something funny - from US Army veterans site - about one very well known technological genius
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2. when discussed about AML and KYC he said in chat that thanks to AML procedure,during members checking, he found few names from OFAC list on Cryptsy and freezed their accounts.Day after,I told that in chat to JShock and he was quite suprised.Later Horus tried to deny,that he said something about AML and others blow out story out of proportions,but that was not the case.There are other witnesses of that too and will be good if someone has copy of chat talks.
@thunderjet did some digging found a few things. really search around on pastebin and maybe some other sites for more. only downside to the chat logs with cryptsy is no timestamps but looks like it was in November about terrorists and accounts freezed Horus ♔ If any accounts are seized, 99% of the time it is because they are a confirmed hit on the Office of Foreign Asset Control's SDN list. ( OFAC) Libertymind535 @fivemil:how do you get that from what i said? Copenman731 o boy its getting deep in here lmao fivemil @Libertymind535: I didnt really understand what you said tf315779 what regulation sets the limit to $25? Libertymind535 remember paris JΛGΛNNΛTH yeh too soon to return to chat I guess DrxRog you guys have let yourselves down Libertymind535 just happened a few days ago Horus ♔ @tf315779: It was a mix of regulation and our own rules to stay well within regulated limits DrxRog only you will loose from this not me Copenman731 sweet thx guys confirmed gl with this lol fivemil @Libertymind535: Yes I know all about it DrxRog i will put my name and withdraw all funds cohnhead365 @Horus: have any accounts ever been seized before? and or are accounts going to be seized? Horus ♔ @DrxRog: Ok, I have explained it, let's move on please. If you still have a hate on the situation, please create a support ticket and voice your concerns. tf315779 so the limit is not set in regulations DrxRog you can keep your awfull business practice to yourselves after that Horus ♔ @cohnhead365: yes, one of two have actually been seized. They were confirmed terrorists. Im sure one or two more in the future will be seized too. But to put it in perspective, we have over 300 000 users and less than 5 have ever been seized. DrxRog and you better not have my money hanging in your withdrawal limbo black0one русские тут? cohnhead365 @Horus: didn't see the other post..interesting. thanks DrxRog everyone here is my witness bitmaster1 Regs always has a way of interrupting the flow. & prep companies to pay a fee under the regs. That's the point of the whole reg thing. black0one кто долго чат наблюдают, что думаете? Horus ♔ @DrxRog: witness to what? You whining about regulations? Libertymind535 @Horus:wow fivemil @DrxRog: Witness to the just cause that I have to ban you from chat? GayEddie I didnt see anything DrxRog my last withdrawal here was last year Horus ♔ knock it off or I will remove your chat ability. I have explained it, thoroughly. And given you another way to forward a complaint, chat is not for that
about cryptsy canada, OFAC and promotion to director and head of investigation/anti fraud Sheff Whats your new title? Horus ♔ @Eddie13: its old to us, new to him as he is oldschool with me lol Eddie13 ah PInvest (he has a crows) PInvest *crown* Horus ♔ One of the directors for Canadian site, and head of investigations and anti-fraud for our parent company Sheff ah! I still have a bunch of usb widgets mining. Probably make more ROI than my S3. Sheff @Horus: Thats some bad ass job title. Horus ♔ I work in AML, KYC, OFAC and antifraud investigations specifically Sheff OFAC? Eddie13 @Horus: If pone doesn't verify to even tier 1 would that be cause for suspicion for the feds/aml people whoever to get there panties in a twist? Horus ♔ office of foreign asset control, like the USA's terrorist and sanctioned list Horus ♔ @Eddie13: not at all JudgeDredd How can i get tier4? PInvest @Horus: Gone legit, have we Sheff @Horus: ah ninja. Your CV must be right bad ass with all those titles. Eddie13 @Horus: k.. Horus ♔ @PInvest: yessir. We did a great job at becoming compliant
Horus ♔ @monoton652: I understand wanting privacy. Unfortunately these guidelines were handed down and we have to abide by it, as we are a US based and complaint exchange. It is a two sided coin. People complained when exchanged had no regulation and owners just left with everyones funds and they hate when we are compliant to stop that possibility, they don;t like the regulation that comes with it SupaDupa
lolz Horus ♔ Vern is not a fraud. marcbrom243 #217936 GreenLion @monoton652: first off use English, not broken sentences, if you want to point a finger, second, sorry you do not like the new government laws, maybe you should consider getting into politics? MilkandPie4u @ScottyMcAuld: he is more like a donkey Sheff @Digging: Mild evenings entertainment. ScottyMcAuld what a dyck supa gaylord was DCGirl ♔ @SupaDupa: please leave greenlion alone. he is a volunteer moderator. as far as what regs - look up aml and kyc, and why ripple was fined $750k for not doing what we are doing AstorPiatrolla @GreenLion: lol on politics. Horus ♔ @marcbrom243: Ok, I gave it a kick, it should process soon monoton652 @GreenLion:stop that government talk, you NEVER mention WD limit in any news, accept that as the fact that it is AstorPiatrolla @DCGirl: +1 Digging @Sheff: vern should just verify all customers by having horus dox us all, now That would be funny ! Eddie13 Really hard to make BTC trading during all this commotion.. monoton652 @GreenLion:and please don't tinkle off the users from CRYPTSY by your damn attitude dude GreenLion @monoton652: read what DC just wrote. yinanwang421 @Horus: whhy are the withdrawals not working ? as btc and ltc DCGirl ♔ @Eddie13: shhhhh MilkandPie4u just another fudster biting the dust granggg @DCGirl:uppa cheap btc now, salutation great master lady, hehe ScottyMcAuld @DCGirl:you tell'em girly J420N @DCGirl:hi dc =) franky1501 @Horus have you kicked XRP yet *** System Message *** monoton652 has been banned from chat for 5 minutes nikolateslaツ http://blog.cryptsy.com/post/130547612142/re-coinfire GreenLion take a five minute breather, check you're self. DCGirl ♔ @granggg: @ScottyMcAuld: @J420N: hi guys. looks like i missed the btc fall, eh? wonder what's next? Horus ♔ @Digging: I do have to dox some lol Digging @Horus: Heh granggg @monoton652: se, chat is not free eheheh, the users who ask support here we worst ehehe banned some ScottyMcAuld @DCGirl:nnext btc will put on a kilt and go for a moon shot Eddie13 @DCGirl: next china wakes up to al the cheap BTC and buys it to the moon.. DCGirl ♔ @ScottyMcAuld: oh what pretty pictures you paint, sir ScottyMcAuld @granggg:shut up MilkandPie4u Chat today has been especially full of fuddy fraudsters ScottyMcAuld @DCGirl:oooh err Horus ♔ @granggg: well this is technically not a place for support. Mods and admins just help out when we can as we know issues can be frustrating, as we are crypto users too Anarchist203 just waiting on my ltc GreenLion PS. TY Cryptsy for following FED regulations, I like my Crypto having a safe haven. Fantastic!!! You found it !!!
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can anyone tell me if this bigvern fellow is still in the united states, and can't leave the country? the last news i know is his house is for sale and the site is down, and no new notifications, so are these guys gone forever or is the case against them in full progress?
i still have 24 btc overthere
thanks for anyone who can help me
24 btc "overthere" eh? well i guess you helped fund Verns retainer. his lawyers accept btc no doubt... What Lawyers? ORDER by Clerk of Entry of Default Re:22 Motion for Clerks Entry of Default as to Project Investors, Inc. (Default mailed to Project Investors, Inc.). Signed by DEPUTY CLERK on 3/24/2016. (ar2) Ah, a "no-show". I suppose that was expected. So where are we now? Does this mean they (Paul & Co.) have additional time to respond to the default? Any time frame specified? ...or did the court go ahead and appoint the receiver? That's in the next Episode.... What happens after the court appoints a receiver? Do they sell off the assets of cryptsy? What about the assets of project investors? What assets are you talking about ? you mean the remaining coins that they are holding hostage ? Assets such as company vehicles, computers, desks, chairs, or whatever the company owns that can be sold off. They also may have a bank account that could be seized because they were still paying a few employees according to Jim Shockney. Cryptsy may not own any land or buildings, but since Paul Vernon and Project Investors are named in the lawsuit, anything property they own may be subject to seizure as well. I'm just guessing on that though. I have no doubt that he removed all valuable assets from his companies.They are now just empty shells.He gave all his personal properties to his wife(both houses,SUV,money on US bank accounts,...) so he has no money or properties at all.Now,he has a lot of Bitcoins and some money on Chinese bank accounts.Maybe he left some small amounts of altcoins on Cryptsy accounts,but that is not enough to cover lawyers expenses for people who sued him.If there is no official criminal investigation about him,he will stay free and rich,except there were money from some dangerous criminal gangs on Cryptsy. It is good that Silver Law expanded lawsuit on his wife,but they have to concentrate on his finances and prove that his income was too low for buying such luxury items for cash.
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Cryptsy site is on Maintenance,but site who is info changed - it is now blocked who is owner of the site.
It could be a signal that Cryptsy was sold(Mintpal 2 ?)
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I really love this pic. There are seven people depicted. Six are motherfuckin' thieves. Your job, if you choose to accept, is to identify the only honest dude. - Black Dude
- Paul Vernon
- John Hammes aka BitJohn
- John MacPherson aka Horus
- Nicholas Mullesch aka Mullick
- Logan
- Matt
This Black dude is Thierry Charlemagne - Lead Investigator on Cryptsy - he is this on the top right(People Also Viewed) picture of Nicholas Mullesch profile on LinkedIn http://www.perfectleads.com/lead/6679398/cryptsy.comScroll down and you will see
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Do you really think that someone (like Paul Vernon) would waste his sucessful business by stealing? People who say that should really think again. If he wants to cash he could sell his multi million dollar exchange, right?
Ok, please then explain to us WHY he did it then. If you forget about the hack, and just focus on all the people who lost money AFTER that fact... Those coins were stolen too... not by the hacker in question but by Paul. Unless you have some better way to explain it... we will all be listening. Perfect Remember that we entrusted our money with a business. They mismanaged the money and won't return it. With any business like a bank, it wouldn't matter how they lost the money, they would be responsible for it. Usually they should have some kind of insurance policy to cover theft and should be able to pay customers back. It's not our fault that they mismanaged the money. And of course it's very likely that they stole it themselves. Banks steal money from people every day and do not provide insurance in the event that they lose your money. However, banks do pay into an FDIC fund provided by the federal government in the event that they lose your money but not all banks are FDIC insured. The insurance program itself is an illusion however because it really isn't paid by the banks, its also paid by depositors in the form of fees, and normally by the poor depositors because banks don't charge fees to their wealthy customers. So its normally poor people paying fees to do business with banks so that rich people can get bailed out when the bank takes off with their loot. This program can only work though as long as a majority of banks don't up and lose everyone's money all at once. If a majority of banks or all of the banks happened to steal peoples money all at once, most people would be out of luck as there isn't enough money in the insurance fund to pay everyone back. Banks are also fractional reserves and if everyone went to the bank at the same time to withdraw their money, we would have a similar situation to Cryptsy as where they would be out of money after 10% of depositors withdrew their money and the other 90% would have to turn to the FDIC fund, and as I've already explained, the $25 billion would be gone before most of that 90% were able to get any funds. Thus leaving most people without any recourse of recovering their money. As an example, during the banking collapse of 2008, the 25.0 billion dollar FDIC fund was drained down to 0.6 Billion by 2009. You are right about banks.Banks loan your money to the others and you get interest. But the exchnage is something complete different.It is not a bank,more a just intermediary.They connected people whose trade and get a provision for every trade.Their source of financing is not credits to the others ,but trade provisions,so they are not allowed to even touch money of investors.Every customer and exchange itself should have a separate accounts.There are no fractional banking,every transaction have to be fully covered.But Cryptsy used customers money to finance their expenses and private expenses of owner.That is pure theft,even if P.Vernon did not hack his own exchange. Fact that money from Silk Road wallets came through Cryptsy hot wallet in the time when rogue agent Shaun Bridges controled them raises a lot of suspicion.But the fact that one such transaction of 75.2 BTC went directly to cold wallet and was never moved said that Cryptsy owner who solely controled cold wallet knew about whole process of laundering,actively participiated in it and got payment for that.Otherwise how Shaun Bridges could know for addresses of cold wallet,when we all know that customers could only got deposit addresses for hot wallet? Few days after, rogue agents were caught.Was Cryptsy owner afraid that he could be discovered and that government agencies could take all his and exchange money,so he decided to do preventive move and hack exchange to put BTCs and other coins out of reach of government and save it for his rainy days?That could explain why he did not contact authorities in the time of theft - when you rob the bank you wont call police for sure.
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