crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[arallmuus]

I did start 'winning' on the original account after the claim was made, but my best honest guess is that because the admin did not reboot the site or force a refresh, that somehow my bets were glitched with the 'hotfix' that was applied. 

Im no expert on this but could this be caused by cookies as well apart from having the same seed from before and after the fixed? ( had some experiences with cookies messing up multiplier in a site ) and you didnt mention that did you clear cookies before starting the new account though. That could be a another reason why the bet is glitched

The site has terrible management and is poorly coded. 

The management disrespect people and threaten them when they go and give them an advice on what they should do. Despite all the fact presented here, people are still rolling without any concern on what the risk is. His proud of his code is making him blind for all the facts here and he isnt taking any concern with all of this thing

[ClamCoin]

I was asking if there was really a vulnarability, they said i dont want to talk here about it, so i kept asking and they would mute me if i didnt stop talking about the quality of the script and so on...


ClamCoin

[Dogedigital]

I did start 'winning' on the original account after the claim was made, but my best honest guess is that because the admin did not reboot the site or force a refresh, that somehow my bets were glitched with the 'hotfix' that was applied. 

Im no expert on this but could this be caused by cookies as well apart from having the same seed from before and after the fixed? ( had some experiences with cookies messing up multiplier in a site ) and you didnt mention that did you clear cookies before starting the new account though. That could be a another reason why the bet is glitched

The site has terrible management and is poorly coded. 

The management disrespect people and threaten them when they go and give them an advice on what they should do. Despite all the fact presented here, people are still rolling without any concern on what the risk is. His proud of his code is making him blind for all the facts here and he isnt taking any concern with all of this thing

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Yes I cleared cookies to start the new account.  After the cookies were cleared, play seemed to resume back to normal.

[subSTRATA]

I was asking if there was really a vulnarability, they said i dont want to talk here about it, so i kept asking and they would mute me if i didnt stop talking about the quality of the script and so on...


ClamCoin

im not an expert, but i think thats called censorship. if the developer cant take criticism i dont expect this site to ever make progress.

[arallmuus]

Im no expert on this but could this be caused by cookies as well apart from having the same seed from before and after the fixed? ( had some experiences with cookies messing up multiplier in a site ) and you didnt mention that did you clear cookies before starting the new account though. That could be a another reason why the bet is glitched

Yes I cleared cookies to start the new account.  After the cookies were cleared, play seemed to resume back to normal.

The issue could probably be caused by cookies because if the site force a soft update without forcing a refresh or play in a mirror site that thing could happen as the cookies might affect the gameplay . If this issue which is truly caused by cookies is happening to you then there will be another person that might have the same issue as well there unless he make an announcement to clear off cookies . Sadly people just gamble there blindly without knowing the truth

P.S : I am pretty much not too sure about this cookies issue, Perhaps anyone with some sheer experiences could shed some light , Dooglus perhaps?

I was asking if there was really a vulnarability, they said i dont want to talk here about it, so i kept asking and they would mute me if i didnt stop talking about the quality of the script and so on...

A site that could not take a critism is bound to fail. Lack of attitude , blind to see the undeniable fact and heavy censorship about this issue mean that he actually know that he is wrong about this and he is too proud of himself which is why he keeps on twisting on his words

im not an expert, but i think thats called censorship.

Yes it is


I would say to stop posting on their thread as we are making them the favor of bumping their thread on top on this boards which means that more people could actually be "scammed" by his cheap site. Hope their investor / players know about this thread and get out of the site immediately

With this entire issue arrising, the site is getting 4+ pages of it . Thats pretty much 15 % increase of activity for their site

[subSTRATA]

I would say to stop posting on their thread as we are making them the favor of bumping their thread on top on this boards which means that more people could actually be "scammed" by his cheap site. Hope their investor / players know about this thread and get out of the site immediately

With this entire issue arrising, the site is getting 4+ pages of it . Thats pretty much 15 % increase of activity for their site

good point, ill stop posting in their "official" thread, even though its so fun to see this guy as mad as he is. personally id like to see a lot of red painted onto both of their trust pages to dissuade people from playing on their site ever again. also, joter85 mentioned that bets decreased by 90% on their site as a result of the incident; I dont expect him to be telling the truth, but if that's true its a start.

[ClamCoin]

I would say to stop posting on their thread as we are making them the favor of bumping their thread on top on this boards which means that more people could actually be "scammed" by his cheap site. Hope their investor / players know about this thread and get out of the site immediately

With this entire issue arrising, the site is getting 4+ pages of it . Thats pretty much 15 % increase of activity for their site

good point, ill stop posting in their "official" thread, even though its so fun to see this guy as mad as he is. personally id like to see a lot of red painted onto both of their trust pages to dissuade people from playing on their site ever again. also, joter85 mentioned that bets decreased by 90% on their site as a result of the incident; I dont expect him to be telling the truth, but if that's true its a start.

I have set my personal text and banner to : cryptogamers.net are scammers!

[subSTRATA]

id like to point out the source of this disagreement:

Hello, this is regarding the thread in the gambling section that has become a rather big topic of discussion over the past day: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.100
As I have claimed in the thread, I have found a way to bet on your site that gives an edge advantage to the players. In addition, there is a way to exploit the client side to manipulate some data that should not be manipulable. These claims have been tested and confirmed by user dooglus to be true.
I am asking for 1.5 BTC as a bounty for finding these brutally exploitable bugs on your site. dooglus is included in this group pm to verify these claims. If you are willing to escrow the 1.5 BTC for the bounty we can discuss this bugs at the soonest possible time so that they can be fixed.

Please use "reply to all" when replying to this message so that all three users may be included in this PM conversation.

i told you there were two bugs from the start. i dont know why youre acting so surprised. the fact that you dont even take the time to double check before posting this is pretty pathetic. learn to read.

This is all you have to reply? Pathetic it is.

I'd just like to quickly state that all my arguments are completely factual and referenced by proof.

I also have no need to 'boost posts' and am not enrolled in any sig campaign of any kind.

Sure, you are not. lol.

i clearly stated in the initial message that there were two bugs, the +EV bug (rounding error) and the bug that allowed for bets exceeding the bet parameters (6666x bets). DCM didnt learn how to read, and behold comedy gold:

From when there are two bugs?
The list is the same: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

this display of stunning intelligence is cringey, and its also mind blowing how people this incompetent managed to run a site for a year in the first place.

id also like to ask people to stop bumping their thread, id rather not have people see it and go play on that site and end up getting scammed.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Oh dear, just popped back here & this has progressed a lot  . I have to admit there are a lot of good people here who do a great service to their fellow posters by policing this place & calling out the bad guys. Massive respect & a big thank you - you guys know who you are.

30% house edge is insane, if that's 100% proven how can that site be allowed to be advertised anywhere on this forum? I'm sick of reading about people getting scammed etc. We all work hard & shouldn't have to worry about getting scammed when we simply want to gamble 'fairly'.

[sbankerdemon]

I just realized that the discussion is shifted here so I post what I posted there.

But seriously if you guys want to keep running your casino longer accept your mistakes, apologize and fix the bugs and move on. 1.5 BTC is fair enough I think. (you means them here)

For substrata and doogulus if they are not willing to pay 1.5btc maybe lower it a bit as it will be ethical to report a bug to the site owner. People usually do it without expecting much. And if owner wants they acknowledge their efforts in various ways suitable to them like giving them bounty(FB pays $1000 for bugs and even 15k for serious ones. while yahoo gifts a pen LOL). But its your wish totally what cost you ask as you could have exploited it without even informing them.

[dooglus]

Yeah sure. Investors are safe. What you think -> I don't care.

You emailed your investors before you knew any details of the vulnerability telling them that they were safe.

You were wrong.

Once you knew about the vulnerability you denied it because you couldn't reproduce it in your badly coded simulation.

You were wrong again.

So what makes you think that you're qualified to say "Investors are safe" now? And why should they believe you when you have shown yourself to be generally clueless?

[dooglus]

Quoting just for references in case few hours later someone find a rounding issue again

Nice idea! Because I did!
Set bet amount to 0.00000001 (one satoshi) and payout multiplier to 1.5
You can't divide a satoshi so 1.5 gets rounded to 2.
The house edge is 32.24%. (Roll over 33.86, or Roll under 66.13 with 2x payout)

To crypto-games.net admins: Will I get a price for this? 

If i play for 1 satoshi and win, i get one, not two.

So i dont know what u mean that i will get two, multiplier is set to 1.5

ClamCoin

No. You don't get one, your profit is one.
You get two satoshies on win, but your bet is one, so the rest is your profit(one satoshi).

You get 1.5 on a win, 0.5 of which is profit. If you win two in a row, one time your balance will go up by 1 satoshi, the other time it will stay still. It's like you really win 0.5 profit, but the displayed balance is rounded to 8 decimal places.