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June 02, 2024, 10:33:03 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases

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Full list of countries that restrict visits from felons
Argentina
Australia
Brazil
Cambodia
Canada
Chile
China
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Egypt
Ethiopia
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Japan
Kenya
Malaysia
Macau
Mexico
Morocco
Nepal
New Zealand
Peru
Philippines
Singapore
South Africa
South Korea
Taiwan
Tanzania
Tunisia
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom

But not Ruzzia, that is good news for Putin, as he can go there to get his cheques.

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June 02, 2024, 11:04:42 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases
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I'll play devil's advocate here. While Trump can't pardon himself from this, supreme court could complicate things and just end democracy in US as we know it. And those muppets in US have some weird enough ideas to keep rest of us on our toes.

I just watched that new "Civil war" (movie), and honestly, as horrible as it was, it was something everyone is secretly just waiting. Hopefully it won't come to that. But if it comes, i would find it kind of liberating that rogue wanna be dictators like trump might split the country instead of ruling it.

Next to watch is "The Apprentice" biopic, that trump team tries to block. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anything to them.

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June 03, 2024, 09:28:22 AM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-conviction-countries-banned-canada-uk-b2555313.html
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Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

There are 37 countries that bar felons from entering, even to visit.


So, how does this work for international relations then? Trump is still a felon even if he wins the elections or tries some "me pardons me" manoeuvre of shorts? In theory, many say that he cannot pardon himself for state crimes, such as the one in NY for campaign fraud. This is going to be an interesting situation - many countries will simply say no to him entering.

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Donald J. Trump is now a felon in New York State, and presidential pardon power does not extend to state cases
-cut-
I'll play devil's advocate here. While Trump can't pardon himself from this, supreme court could complicate things and just end democracy in US as we know it. And those muppets in US have some weird enough ideas to keep rest of us on our toes.

I just watched that new "Civil war" (movie), and honestly, as horrible as it was, it was something everyone is secretly just waiting. Hopefully it won't come to that. But if it comes, i would find it kind of liberating that rogue wanna be dictators like trump might split the country instead of ruling it.

Next to watch is "The Apprentice" biopic, that trump team tries to block. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anything to them.

Of course, at a certain point Trump may be able to do nearly anything. He is already filtering a number of Civil Servants that will be removed (e.g. someone who posted a pro-democrat stuff in their Facebook) to be replaced to pre-selected people who will not oppose to even his wildest dreams.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/20/trump-civil-service-00132459

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These days, though, Stier is increasingly preoccupied with what he sees as a fundamental threat to that work: former President Donald Trump’s sweeping proposal to convert thousands of career civil servants into political appointees if he wins a second term in the White House. That plan — which has won the support of powerful, Trump-aligned conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and the America First Policy Institute — is modeled on an executive order from Trump’s first term that redesignated 20,000 civil servants in policy-related positions as “Schedule F” employees, thereby allowing them to be fired unilaterally by the president.

There is a good reason why the Civil Service is not dependent of the flavour of the moment in most countries in the world. You need a state to have a state.

The trials are the occasion to at least show him for what he is.


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June 04, 2024, 03:13:05 AM
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There is a good reason why the Civil Service is not dependent of the flavour of the moment in most countries in the world. You need a state to have a state.

The trials are the occasion to at least show him for what he is.



His whole "fire all the federal employees, dismantle the FBI, independent agencies will follow my every order" can be translated as "I'm going to try to destroy the country".  I don't think it would be as easy as he thinks, and I know they are already implementing policies to make it even harder...but you really have to be quite ignorant to think his plan is a good one.  Even from Trumps view, sure the first few months might be fun, but it won't be long before things just stop working and the crisis' start stacking up.  There are republicans that have been calling to abolish the IRS for years ffs...it's like they can't think one step past "i dont like taxes".

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June 11, 2024, 10:00:27 PM
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It seems that the deep state is no longer that deep - Trumpians would now be crying witch hunt and calling the dismissal of the judge.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/11/alito-supreme-court-election-politics-trump-biden-latest-updates

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Hunter Biden conviction shows 'no one is above the law', says special counsel
Special counsel David Weiss, at a news conference just now, said Hunter Biden’s conviction is a reminder that no one is above the law.

Meanwhile, Trump has been interviewe

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/05/trump-prison-probation-00161545

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To Avoid Prison, Trump May Have to Convince a Probation Officer
It’s a key factor in determining the former president’s sentence

[...]
ill Donald Trump avoid prison? It may depend partly on his ability to convince a probation officer that he would be “amenable to supervision.

[...]

And it is going to be quite difficult to maintain that he is innocent while at the same time convincing anyone of his "amenabiliy". He has to publicly maintain the opposite version that he has to deliver to the officer.

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June 12, 2024, 12:34:34 AM
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It seems that the deep state is no longer that deep - Trumpians would now be crying witch hunt and calling the dismissal of the judge.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/11/alito-supreme-court-election-politics-trump-biden-latest-updates

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Hunter Biden conviction shows 'no one is above the law', says special counsel
Special counsel David Weiss, at a news conference just now, said Hunter Biden’s conviction is a reminder that no one is above the law.

Meanwhile, Trump has been interviewe

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/05/trump-prison-probation-00161545

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To Avoid Prison, Trump May Have to Convince a Probation Officer
It’s a key factor in determining the former president’s sentence

[...]
ill Donald Trump avoid prison? It may depend partly on his ability to convince a probation officer that he would be “amenable to supervision.

[...]

And it is going to be quite difficult to maintain that he is innocent while at the same time convincing anyone of his "amenabiliy". He has to publicly maintain the opposite version that he has to deliver to the officer.

Wonder how he responded when asked "have you recently associated or do you plan on associating with any convicted felons or anyone that has been charged with a felony awaiting trial?"

Also how ironic is it that after all these years of constantly talking about Hunter Biden, the day he's convicted it actually doesn't make sense politically to mention him since it contradicts the current false narrative being pushed.  

"Don't vote for Biden, his son is a felon!!!!!"  lol

Even saying "The Biden Crime Family" doesn't work anymore.

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