Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing

[paxmao]

As some of you may know, part of the trials that are held in relation to Trumps alleged crimes are public, which will provide some publicity to the guy but will also be hopefully revealing of the facts.

Trump is indicted under the RICO law in Georgia and this one will be publicly available, which allow to judge people who take part in a "conspiracy" or plan to carry out a criminal activity. This means that there are 19 defendants. For now, there are quite a few that are trying to jump the ship and have their cases severed (separated from the main one), however the RICO plays against them as if you commit one act on the "plan" you are in for all - although degrees of punishment may vary.

Here is the first issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZblUe4cLvQ

It is a very long discussion between two parties about severing one of the cases, so do not expect thrill and chill at this point.

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[TwitchySeal]

Former President Trump said Wednesday that he would be willing to testify in his own defense at a potential trial.

Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt asked Trump if he would testify if he has to go to trial, as the former president faces criminal charges in New York, Florida, Georgia and Washington, D.C.

“Oh, yes, absolutely,” Trump responded.

“You’ll take the stand?” Hewitt asked.

“That, I would do. That, I look forward to, because that’s just like Russia, Russia, Russia,” Trump said, referring to allegations that his campaign coordinated with the Russians during the 2016 campaign, which a special counsel investigation did not find evidence of.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4189912-trump-says-he-would-testify-at-his-own-trial/

If only this were the one time he wasn't full of shit...although he accidentally told the truth when he said it will be just like the Russia investigation, where he said he would go under oath and talk to Mueller and congress and then refused.

Whether he does or not, this will be the trial of the century considering his other big cases are in federal court which means no cameras.  

And there are so many insane possibilities with the timing.  Right now it's scheduled to begin right before super tuesday.  The trial could be ongoing on election day.  

We could have a hung jury before the election.

He could be convicted after winning the election and be awaiting sentencing when sworn in.

We could have a hung jury right before the election, which would be a nightmare for democrats. (it only takes one juror to hang a jury)

He could lose the election and shortly after be found guilty.

And there are 3 other criminal trials going on at the same time as this one.

Insanity.

[Hispo]

Insanity.

We are seeing history in the making right in front of our eyes, nothing like this may not happen in the next 300 years in the United States. Yes, it is quite wild and disturbing to have the political speech of one of the biggest parties in USA switched to supporting actions which (not long ago) would have been the end of the political career to anyone, the sexual assault lawsuit/defamation would have been enough, but not nowadays.

Since I am just some normal guy living abroad, there is nothing I can do but sit back and try to enjoy the unprecedented happenings coming one after other. In the end, it is whether the people of the USA still want to have a Republic or they will allow even bigger ans darkest unprecedented things to happen.

Good luck.

[sesterceshop]

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

[Hispo]

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

GOP has not been the same in years, anyways.
Do you remember when Trump (back in the 2016) started to get traction to get the nomination? People within the party started to warn that Trump was going to be the end, a negative inflection point for the Republican party.

Years passed and the very same people who warned about Trump is now openly supporting him and saying he is the one who can save the country. I ignore whether they actually believe so, though, it shows how low a politician can go for the sake of keeping their position of power.

Whether Trump gets convicted or not, he will get the Republican nomination, for it not to happen, it would take him to be disqualified.

[paxmao]

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

GOP has not been the same in years, anyways.
Do you remember when Trump (back in the 2016) started to get traction to get the nomination? People within the party started to warn that Trump was going to be the end, a negative inflection point for the Republican party.

Years passed and the very same people who warned about Trump is now openly supporting him and saying he is the one who can save the country. I ignore whether they actually believe so, though, it shows how low a politician can go for the sake of keeping their position of power.

Whether Trump gets convicted or not, he will get the Republican nomination, for it not to happen, it would take him to be disqualified.

The Republicans might, just might, have second thoughts as well as the donors, if Trump gets effectively convicted. We would be considering proposing a convicted felon for the presidency of the US and some of the voters - the polls show - even some Trumpists do not really feel comfortable with that.

There may be a moment in which the Republicans may have to stab Trump at the exit of the Capitol (just like Brutus to Cesar) to stand a chance of re-election.

Edited to add: The attempt to "sever" the cases of the probably less involved members of the conspiracy has failed. All 19 defendants are going to be trialled together which means that all evidence will be evidence against all of them, thus making some of them to turn against Trump to avoid serving long times for very little participation.

[Hispo]

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

GOP has not been the same in years, anyways.
Do you remember when Trump (back in the 2016) started to get traction to get the nomination? People within the party started to warn that Trump was going to be the end, a negative inflection point for the Republican party.

Years passed and the very same people who warned about Trump is now openly supporting him and saying he is the one who can save the country. I ignore whether they actually believe so, though, it shows how low a politician can go for the sake of keeping their position of power.

Whether Trump gets convicted or not, he will get the Republican nomination, for it not to happen, it would take him to be disqualified.

The Republicans might, just might, have second thoughts as well as the donors, if Trump gets effectively convicted. We would be considering proposing a convicted felon for the presidency of the US and some of the voters - the polls show - even some Trumpists do not really feel comfortable with that.

There may be a moment in which the Republicans may have to stab Trump at the exit of the Capitol (just like Brutus to Cesar) to stand a chance of re-election.

In my opinion, in order for that to happen Trump would need to lose much of his control mover those relatively moderate Republicans voters in the USA.
The polls and the mid term elections showed that there is a chance Trump could be defeated in the next presidential election and he will certainly be his last chance to continue to be politically relevant. If he does not, I can also guarantee that he will be indeed sacrificed by the party, for the sake of power.

Though, I would not completely trust polls, the last polls suggested that the red wave was going to happen and did not.

[Pingrapole]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.In American politics, some people from the opposition party have been harassed before without any reason. These are a part of the election and a strategy to get publicity May is for the party or from the opposition party I think Trump will get the party's nomination regardless of the conviction or the conspiracy.After all this if Trump wins the election and if he can't be defeated then he will get a lot from the party and if he fails here then he has to make a big sacrifice for the party.Accused are currently under protection in various ways, but all will be convicted if proven and one thing is that if proven there is no appeal.I don't think it will end up being a public trial either way
I think in 2016 it's a ploy to get a nomination that America has become a culture of politics, maybe this time it's nothing more than a ploy to get a nomination in the same way, and history doesn't say that. There has been no trial in America, so it assumes that it is nothing more than a strategy, so I think.Whatever the law, even if the case is ultimately convicted, the criminal justice system will be seen as too logos and too few trials will be done, which will appear to be artificially created.

[TwitchySeal]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

[BADecker]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

Does this mean that Trump is worse than any of the other politicians... or does it mean that Trump is being singled out for special reasons?

People in this forum often 'charge' each other with what could be considered crimes if indictments flew. People all over the place do the same.

Antifa and BLM riot in criminal ways because they don't really believe they are acting criminally. Rather, they believe that the system and average people have acted criminally against them, and all they are doing is bringing about justice.

The point is that the people who are indicting Trump are doing similar or worse crimes than what they are indicting Trump for. So, what does it mean? It means that there is an agenda against Trump, and one that is criminal in its whole operation. If it weren't criminal, they would have indicted themselves and Biden for all the worse-than-Trump things that they and Biden are doing.

[Hispo]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

History in the making, in front of our eyes, as I have said before.
You know what it is interesting ? he has a pretty much high chance of creating another unprecedented situation and becoming the first president ever in the United States (in case he wins) who will likely govern the nation from the inside of a cell.

He can pardon himself out sticky situations but he cannot when comes to state charges.  Hence his desire to move as many charges as possible to federal courts.

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

[BADecker]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

History in the making, in front of our eyes, as I have said before.
You know what it is interesting ? he has a pretty much high chance of creating another unprecedented situation and becoming the first president ever in the United States (in case he wins) who will likely govern the nation from the inside of a cell.

He can pardon himself out sticky situations but he cannot when comes to state charges.  Hence his desire to move as many charges as possible to federal courts.

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

He didn't lose, yet.     

[Hispo]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

History in the making, in front of our eyes, as I have said before.
You know what it is interesting ? he has a pretty much high chance of creating another unprecedented situation and becoming the first president ever in the United States (in case he wins) who will likely govern the nation from the inside of a cell.

He can pardon himself out sticky situations but he cannot when comes to state charges.  Hence his desire to move as many charges as possible to federal courts.

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

He didn't lose, yet.     

He is very likely to be found guilty, in my opinion.
Specially he continues to admit his crimes whenever he feels like talking in public about being indicted.

Also, he even mentioned he would likely take the witness stand and declare under oath, which of course his lawyers wont allow to happen, became he is likely to commit perjury.

Let us just admit that Trump is a better businessman and he is a president, The United States deserved to have a person better than both Trump and Biden in the White House.

[vapourminer]

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

nope

could be quite the show lmao

[paxmao]

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

nope

could be quite the show lmao

The only explicit rule is that he has to be over 35, but there is an amendment (14th) that bans traitors and insurgents. That could easily apply, as he promoted an assault on the Capitol.

Todays video is still on the preliminaries or the matters, lawyers trying to get their clients out of the fire that may consume Trump and anyone who helped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Tjx_jcmeQ

[Hispo]

Is there even a rule or law which rules what to do if the President of the United States is behind bars at the moment of election?

nope

could be quite the show lmao

The only explicit rule is that he has to be over 35, but there is an amendment (14th) that bans traitors and insurgents. That could easily apply, as he promoted an assault on the Capitol.

Todays video is still on the preliminaries or the matters, lawyers trying to get their clients out of the fire that may consume Trump and anyone who helped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Tjx_jcmeQ

I think no one will try to purse the 14th amendment before Trump is proven beyond any reasonable doubt and in court, that he indeed meant to threat the Federal Government of the United States by the actions prior and during the capitol attack. 

If some states tried to keep him out the ballot citing the 14th amendment, then there could be some political unrest because that choice, it is less likely there will be the much commotion if he gets convicted first. Though, finding him guilty would require prosecutors to convince a jury that he was aware of the implications of his actions when comes to American Democracy.

In an imaginary case where Trump is found not guilty of being a traitor or insurgent, then the 14th amendment should be crossed out.

[BADecker]

The prosecution is using all kinds of double-standards to prosecute Trump. Here is another one... using free speech in the trial, to try to shut up Trump's usage of free speech.


BREAKING: Special Counsel Jack Smith Attempts to Gag Trump


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/breaking-special-counsel-jack-smith-tries-gag-trump/
Jack Smith claimed in his order released Friday that Trump is "issuing inflammatory public statements targeted at individuals or institutions that present an obstacle or challenge to him."

Federal prosecutors are furious that Trump is using his First Amendment right to defend himself against rabid attacks from Biden's DOJ.

The special counsel's prosecutors accused Trump of attempting to "prejudice the jury pool through disparaging and inflammatory attacks on the citizens of this District, the Court, prosecutors, and prospective witnesses."

Jack Smith's list includes numerous names and even denies President Trump the ability to mention the crooked DOJ and FBI.

Apparently, only Jack Smith is allowed to "prejudice the jury pool" by selectively leaking information to the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times and other far-left outlets.

NBC News reported:

Citing threats against individuals former President Donald Trump has targeted, Special Counsel Jack Smith is asking a federal judge for a narrowly tailored gag order that restricts the 2024 presidential candidate from making certain extrajudicial statements about the election interference case brought against him.

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Despite Jack Smith's claims he wants a "narrow" gag order, this would prevent Trump from posting/saying anything about Smith, Chutkan, DC jury pool, the FBI, the DOJ in general, Bill Barr, Mike Pence, and a host of other figures/agencies.
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[paxmao]

Threatening others or instigating your wolfpack to threaten or assault people who bother you is not free speech. Let's put a very clear example: You are trialling a mafia boss, this guy's "free speech" may mean that someone in the street could be attacked by an angry mob. Is it ok for this person to try to influence the trial?

Well, there are precedents of Trump's speech putting people at risk (e.g. "Ruby" who he says "cheated" in the ballots and has received death threats all over) and also his mob killing people in the Capitol, so no, you cannot try to influence your trial by trying to intimidate or mislead you violent followers.

[TwitchySeal]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

Does this mean that Trump is worse than any of the other politicians.

Yes.  100%.

[paxmao]

History does not say that people of such a level have been convicted and punished in almost 300 years of America. We know that many steps have been taken before and some have gone to the last stage of the trial Cases are dropped or closed for cause, history says so, so we don't expect to see that in Trump's case, because history happens in phases, and this will happen this time.

No sitting, future or former president has ever been charged with a single crime in the history of the country except for Donald Trump, who has been charged with 91 felonies across four State and Federal jurisdictions.  

Does this mean that Trump is worse than any of the other politicians.

Yes.  100%.

Obviously   , I mean... not even Nixon or Reagan blaming Oliver North. All of them gifts of the Republicans to the world, but not half of Trumps level.

Now, an update, some of the defendants including Trump's Attorney of choice will exercise their right to an speedy trial. They feel it is better to have their case quickly as opposed to Trump and others that would rather have it slow and painful.

This probably gives and advantage to the ones going after as part of the evidence will be known.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/25/trump-attorney-fake-electors-subpoena-00053765

The background for this is that an Attorney is a public officer and cannot engage in political support or campaign activities publicly - the trial will likely show he did.

Trump-tied attorney who helped craft fake electors strategy resists grand jury subpoena
Kenneth Chesebro said he had been instructed to maintain privileges with the Trump campaign, which employed him. It’s not entirely clear if that’s true.

Edited: At NY, on the Tax fraud case against Trump, a judge has ruled that Trump committed several frauds, misrepresenting the value of assets by more than 5 even 10 fold to get credits against them. He is to loose his "business licence" and pay a considerable fine.

Now, is anyone not familiar with Trump "inflationism" of all and everything?

[Hispo]

In the lastest news, I have learnt Trump and his organization have been found guilty of fraud by willingly lying on the value of their real state assets, so they could both ask for loans and also pay less taxes...

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

As usual, I do not expect any of this to negatively affect Trump's poll numbers, but undoubtedly has stroked him bad, looking at his reaction on Truth social.

[TwitchySeal]

In the lastest news, I have learnt Trump and his organization have been found guilty of fraud by willingly lying on the value of their real state assets, so they could both ask for loans and also pay less taxes...

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

As usual, I do not expect any of this to negatively affect Trump's poll numbers, but undoubtedly has stroked him bad, looking at his reaction on Truth social.

This case is a civil case, which is different from a criminal case. (he has 4 criminal cases going on, and one other civil case involving once again defaming the woman that he sexually assaulted the day after being held liable for sexually assaulting and defaming her for $5 million.)

Civil case = only financially related penalties - fines, sanctions, license suspension/revoked, and the bar is lower when it comes requirements to convict.  Instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt" it's closer to "much more likely than not."

Criminal case = you're assumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and obviously prison time is on the table if convicted.


Also, there will still be a trial.  I think it might start next week.  The jury just doesn't have to consider whether or not Trump is a fraud since that's already been proven.  They just have to decide what the punishment will be.  

[suchmoon]

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

[paxmao]

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

In this case it must have been terribly clear how, when and to what point was the fraud out there in ink, to be read and permanently recorded. It was declared a summary trial. The judge decided that it was not even necessary to call witnesses of validation with expert opinion, what was being proposed by the accusation was simply correct.

It also affects that image of Trump as "self-made", which he was never since his father pretty much created the family wealth in the construction industry, but is also now clear that he stole (by not paying) public money in vast amounts and committed fraud to massive extents.

I wonder if this could have been put as criminal case, with evidence classed as so overwhelming by the judge.

[TwitchySeal]

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

It wasn't a bench trial, I don't think,  and it wasn't something Trump agreed to allow to happen.  Since it's a non federal civil case there is no right to a jury trial.  If it were a criminal case, or a federal civil case, he would have a right.  But instead the fraud will just be an established fact that the jury will consider when deciding on what the damages are at the trial.    There was overwhelming evidence, and the only defense attempts were nonsensical, so there was really nothing to deliberate when it comes to whether or not Trump is a fraud.

The same thing happened in Rudys slander case but for another reason.  He didn't turn over the documents and other evidence he was legally required to, so the judge found him liable and the trial will proceed to determine damages.  But that belongs in the Kraken thread.

[paxmao]

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

It wasn't a bench trial, I don't think,  and it wasn't something Trump agreed to allow to happen.  Since it's a non federal civil case there is no right to a jury trial.  If it were a criminal case, or a federal civil case, he would have a right.  But instead the fraud will just be an established fact that the jury will consider when deciding on what the damages are at the trial.    There was overwhelming evidence, and the only defense attempts were nonsensical, so there was really nothing to deliberate when it comes to whether or not Trump is a fraud.

The same thing happened in Rudys slander case but for another reason.  He didn't turn over the documents and other evidence he was legally required to, so the judge found him liable and the trial will proceed to determine damages.  But that belongs in the Kraken thread.

It seems that Trump himself wanted to get a jury - or that is the official version, because getting jury would mean a much wider spread of news and there is always a chance of getting a massive punitive damage.

250 million is a significant amount. Trump real assets are unknow - which funnily enough is linked to his fraud - but a quarter of a billion is not a slap in the hand, is more like cutting a finger. I wonder if he is going to be able to carry business using a loophole, because he has lost his licence to.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-no-jury-bench-trial-ny-fraud-case-paperwork-2023-10?r=US&IR=T#:~:text=Trump%20isn't%20getting%20a,failed%20to%20ask%20for%20one&text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20was,correctly%20fill%20out%20court%20paperwork.

Trump isn't getting a jury in his $250 million civil fraud trial because his lawyers failed to ask for one. Former President Donald Trump was entitled to receive a jury trial in his New York civil fraud case. And while he himself wanted a trial by jury, his attorneys didn't correctly fill out court paperwork.

[TwitchySeal]

The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

It wasn't a bench trial, I don't think,  and it wasn't something Trump agreed to allow to happen.  Since it's a non federal civil case there is no right to a jury trial.  If it were a criminal case, or a federal civil case, he would have a right.  But instead the fraud will just be an established fact that the jury will consider when deciding on what the damages are at the trial.    There was overwhelming evidence, and the only defense attempts were nonsensical, so there was really nothing to deliberate when it comes to whether or not Trump is a fraud.

The same thing happened in Rudys slander case but for another reason.  He didn't turn over the documents and other evidence he was legally required to, so the judge found him liable and the trial will proceed to determine damages.  But that belongs in the Kraken thread.

It seems that Trump himself wanted to get a jury - or that is the official version, because getting jury would mean a much wider spread of news and there is always a chance of getting a massive punitive damage.

250 million is a significant amount. Trump real assets are unknow - which funnily enough is linked to his fraud - but a quarter of a billion is not a slap in the hand, is more like cutting a finger. I wonder if he is going to be able to carry business using a loophole, because he has lost his licence to.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-no-jury-bench-trial-ny-fraud-case-paperwork-2023-10?r=US&IR=T#:~:text=Trump%20isn't%20getting%20a,failed%20to%20ask%20for%20one&text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20was,correctly%20fill%20out%20court%20paperwork.

Trump isn't getting a jury in his $250 million civil fraud trial because his lawyers failed to ask for one. Former President Donald Trump was entitled to receive a jury trial in his New York civil fraud case. And while he himself wanted a trial by jury, his attorneys didn't correctly fill out court paperwork.

Yeah I was wrong in the post above yours.  I thought there already was a jury, but I guess the law the DA used to sue him says a judge should rule from the bench, but I guess maybe there will be a jury?  When Trump walked out after attacking the judge and prosecutor for 5 minutes he said he agreed with what the judge said at the end and implied there will be a jury...?

Also I think the risk to lose all his ability to do any buisness in NY might be bigger than the potentially 250m fine.  Trump Tower, Trump Wall street, his Columbus circle building, the ice skating rink in central park, he really is all over the city...they would all be liquidated I assume.  And remember he was born in Queens and lived in NYC till a couple years ago, his father started the business and his sons are taking it over (although to be fair, Celebrity Apprentice is why he isn't broke today, not the Trump Org).

It's weird thinking back when Trump was just another NYC character.




Edit:

Update:  It turns out the reason there was no jury is most competent lawyers won't work for Trump and he fired all the ones that will.  In other words, his lawyers forgot to request a jury in the paperwork.

“Mind-blowing”: Legal experts warn that lawyer’s incredible “screw-up” is “very ominous” for Trump
https://news.yahoo.com/mind-blowing-legal-experts-warn-171808012.html



Also I now realize that this trial is off topic since this thread is about the trial in Georgia (not to be confused with other trial in NY, or the one in Miami, or the one in DC, or the one where he keeps defaming the woman he's already been found liable for sexual assaulting and defaming).

[paxmao]

Yep, the "official version" is that the lawyers were incompetent, but that may or may not be true. Maybe Trump did not want a case with a jury simply because he did not want to either (a) not take the stand and thus appear weak or (b) take the stand and probably make thing much much worse.

Latest update: Trump needs to find 250 million. It may not be easy. But also, there is chance many of his business are liquidated as the gains may be considered "illegitimate". This could be a much more devastating blow than initially thought.

Oh, yes I am off-topic on my own thread I guess, but it is about "public trials" so I am going to argue that this is public information about a trial and may influence other trials due to the economic blow, so close enough. In any case is interesting, which is the main thing.

Speaking of defaming, he is now doing the same with the prosecutors, the judge,... I guessing that next is their pets.

On the Georgia cases, let's see what happens with the two indicted that managed to get separated by asking for a speedy trial.

[Hispo]

Yesterday I saw some videos about Trump, some of his declarations goin out and in his trial on the alleged fraud he and his family committed with the valuation of their properties.

I must say it is quite interesting how even in such situation Trump can continue to verbally attack the judge and the trial as a whole, calling it a witch hunt and a way to interfere in an election.

I am not a lawyer, but I don't think I insulting the judge in camera is a good idea. Granted, he may be doing it to further increase the numbers in the polls, he has learned how to do so with his late legal problems

[paxmao]

Yesterday I saw some videos about Trump, some of his declarations goin out and in his trial on the alleged fraud he and his family committed with the valuation of their properties.

I must say it is quite interesting how even in such situation Trump can continue to verbally attack the judge and the trial as a whole, calling it a witch hunt and a way to interfere in an election.

I am not a lawyer, but I don't think I insulting the judge in camera is a good idea. Granted, he may be doing it to further increase the numbers in the polls, he has learned how to do so with his late legal problems

You know the says - The fact that I am paranoid does not mean that they are not following me or the fact that I am a hypochondriac does not mean I am not sick... well, I could even say yes, this is a which hunt, but that does not mean that he has not been "witching" a lot with his accounts. Trump always plays the victim. He does never, ever take responsibility for his actions and it works, his followers just play along and the rest of the Republican Party simply wants to win no matter what's needed.

I however have a reservation -  it might be common practice in the industry to inflate valuations, not that it makes this right.

[Hispo]

Yesterday I saw some videos about Trump, some of his declarations goin out and in his trial on the alleged fraud he and his family committed with the valuation of their properties.

I must say it is quite interesting how even in such situation Trump can continue to verbally attack the judge and the trial as a whole, calling it a witch hunt and a way to interfere in an election.

I am not a lawyer, but I don't think I insulting the judge in camera is a good idea. Granted, he may be doing it to further increase the numbers in the polls, he has learned how to do so with his late legal problems

You know the says - The fact that I am paranoid does not mean that they are not following me or the fact that I am a hypochondriac does not mean I am not sick... well, I could even say yes, this is a which hunt, but that does not mean that he has not been "witching" a lot with his accounts. Trump always plays the victim. He does never, ever take responsibility for his actions and it works, his followers just play along and the rest of the Republican Party simply wants to win no matter what's needed.

I however have a reservation -  it might be common practice in the industry to inflate valuations, not that it makes this right.

In the sense that Trump is an atypical politician who is threatening the Washington establishment using his populism, then certainly we could say he is being procesuted for those in power (both in the democrat and Republican party) who do not want to have him messing around the status quo. They thought back in 2016 that they could control him, but they were wrong, and now are afraid of him.

On the other hand, Trump was an idiot for commiting crimes while being an atypical politician and make it easier for his foes to try to end his career and put him in prison. He is a defendant, but also a VIP in the politics of USA.

[paxmao]

While not about the trials, it seems that Forbes does no longer consider Trump as one of the 400 richest persons in the US, mostly due about the massive devaluation of the "Truth" platform that he owns at 90%.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/

He’s nowhere near as rich as he boasts, nor as poor as some critics claim. Donald Trump’s real net worth? $2.6 billion, according to our most recent tally, conducted in September 2023. Below, Forbes offers an asset-by-asset breakdown of the former (and possibly future) president’s fortune.

I wonder if he ever gives a honest figure, but the point is that the penalty of 250 million is not a small thing for Trump, and the removal of the license to do business in NY is probably worth as much as that, I will be following and reporting on the consequences of it.

[TwitchySeal]

While not about the trials, it seems that Forbes does no longer consider Trump as one of the 400 richest persons in the US, mostly due about the massive devaluation of the "Truth" platform that he owns at 90%.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/

He’s nowhere near as rich as he boasts, nor as poor as some critics claim. Donald Trump’s real net worth? $2.6 billion, according to our most recent tally, conducted in September 2023. Below, Forbes offers an asset-by-asset breakdown of the former (and possibly future) president’s fortune.

I wonder if he ever gives a honest figure, but the point is that the penalty of 250 million is not a small thing for Trump, and the removal of the license to do business in NY is probably worth as much as that, I will be following and reporting on the consequences of it.

The 250m would be a big deal today.  But before this case is through appeals, in about 15 months from now, Trump will either be on his way to prison or the entire federal  government including the military will be run by the most loyal magatards reporting directly to him.  I don't think it's too dramatic to say the judges and prosecutors in each of his cases will likely flee the country and live in exile.

[BADecker]

You jokers are missing it. You are trying to bring in socialism and maybe communism. And maybe you don't even know it.

Consider. Grandma has an old picture, in reasonable shape, of her wedding to Grandpa, who has passed on some time ago. She is getting kinda old, and is making mistakes in her memory at times. Her kids are in the process of cleaning up her belongings... getting rid of any non-essentials.

The kids come to the picture, and they want to sell it at an auction along with a lot of Grandma's property. They put a value of $5 on the picture. But Grandma wouldn't sell that picture for $10 million.

Who cares what other people think about the value of your property. It's your property, and you can put a value on it that suits you.

Granted, Trump doesn't understand the basics of law in the US. If he did, he would have hired his attorneys as advisors, rather than to speak on his behalf in court. But the point is, he has a right to value his property at any amount he desires... because it is his property. If the whole world says the value is different than Trump says, they don't have the right to change the value of it regarding what Trump says, because it is Trump's property. He has placed the value to be what it is worth to him.

Suppose Trump decided to sell some property that he had given a high value in the eyes of the world. Nobody would buy it from him at that value. He would have to drop the value of it before they would even consider buying it. But that isn't what he was doing. So, he has the right to value it any way he likes.

Since the court is taking away Trump's right to freely say things like this, he's losing things. But it's about him not realizing what the basic rights are in America.

Consider yourselves and your property. You probably wouldn't part with some of your property at just about any price. The precedent that is being set is that government and appraisers can value your property no matter what it is, and for any reason. This kind of precedent is bringing us into socialism and communism. You don't own your property as much as you did before if somebody else can force you to value it like they think.

You jokers are losing it... the American Dream, that is.

[TwitchySeal]

Granted, Trump doesn't understand the basics of law in the US.

Ignorance is no defense for breaking the law.  If it were, his chances would be much better in his 4 criminal trials where he's been charged with 91 state and federal felonies including Racketeering, Defrauding the United States and Violating the Espionage act.

I have a feeling Jack Smith has many surprises like this one that we will get to learn about during Trumps criminal trial(s).

Trump Said to Have Revealed Nuclear Submarine Secrets to Australian Businessman

Shortly after he left office, former President Donald J. Trump shared apparently classified information about American nuclear submarines with an Australian businessman during an evening of conversation at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The businessman, Anthony Pratt, a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago who runs one of the world’s largest cardboard companies, went on to share the sensitive details about the submarines with several others, the people said. Mr. Trump’s disclosures, they said, potentially endangered the U.S. nuclear fleet.

Federal prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, learned about Mr. Trump’s disclosures of the secrets to Mr. Pratt, which were first revealed by ABC News, and interviewed him as part of their investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, the people said.

According to another person familiar with the matter, Mr. Pratt is now among more than 80 people whom prosecutors have identified as possible witnesses who could testify against Mr. Trump at the classified documents trial, which is scheduled to start in May in Federal District Court in Fort Pierce, Fla.

During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.






Mr. Trump has been known to share classified information verbally on other occasions. During an Oval Office meeting in 2017 shortly after he fired the F.B.I. director James B. Comey, Mr. Trump revealed sensitive classified intelligence to two Russian officials, according to people briefed on the matter.

Well into his presidency, he also posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, a classified photo of an Iranian launch site.

The indictment in the documents case also accused Mr. Trump of showing a classified battle plan to attack Iran to a group of visitors to his club in Bedminster, N.J. Prosecutors claim that a recording of the meeting with the visitors depicts Mr. Trump as describing the document he brandished as “secret.”

Mr. Trump has not had access to more updated U.S. intelligence since leaving the presidency; President Biden cut off the briefings that former presidents traditionally get when Mr. Trump left office in the wake of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election and the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, 2021.

“I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,” Mr. Biden said at the time.

“What value is giving him an intelligence briefing?” he said. “What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?”

Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of the former president’s collapsing his public office and its secrets into his private interests.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/05/us/politics/trump-nuclear-submarine-classified-documents.html

[paxmao]

You jokers are missing it. You are trying to bring in socialism and maybe communism. And maybe you don't even know it.

Consider. Grandma has an old picture, in reasonable shape, of her wedding to Grandpa, who has passed on some time ago. She is getting kinda old, and is making mistakes in her memory at times. Her kids are in the process of cleaning up her belongings... getting rid of any non-essentials.

The kids come to the picture, and they want to sell it at an auction along with a lot of Grandma's property. They put a value of $5 on the picture. But Grandma wouldn't sell that picture for $10 million.

Who cares what other people think about the value of your property. It's your property, and you can put a value on it that suits you.

Granted, Trump doesn't understand the basics of law in the US. If he did, he would have hired his attorneys as advisors, rather than to speak on his behalf in court. But the point is, he has a right to value his property at any amount he desires... because it is his property. If the whole world says the value is different than Trump says, they don't have the right to change the value of it regarding what Trump says, because it is Trump's property. He has placed the value to be what it is worth to him.

Suppose Trump decided to sell some property that he had given a high value in the eyes of the world. Nobody would buy it from him at that value. He would have to drop the value of it before they would even consider buying it. But that isn't what he was doing. So, he has the right to value it any way he likes.

Since the court is taking away Trump's right to freely say things like this, he's losing things. But it's about him not realizing what the basic rights are in America.

Consider yourselves and your property. You probably wouldn't part with some of your property at just about any price. The precedent that is being set is that government and appraisers can value your property no matter what it is, and for any reason. This kind of precedent is bringing us into socialism and communism. You don't own your property as much as you did before if somebody else can force you to value it like they think.

You jokers are losing it... the American Dream, that is.

What kind of wonderland do you live in?? Is your troll farm in China??

You can put whatever value on your property at the golf club or in your political meetings but not when you are going to ask for credits based in your assets!! The accurate quantification / representation of the value of your assets and liabilities is called accounting and actually it is one of the pillars of Capitalism.

Valuations are done at market prices when available - before you say something that further proves your ignorance, Real State valuation is done everyday and the price of land (another pillar of Capitalism) is well known and determined for the best part of Trump assets because they are placed in liquid markets. They can vary +/- 5% at most, but not by 200%. Misrepresenting that IS fraud.

The simplest example: market price of you granny's house: 1 million. The bank will happily give you around 750k backed by the value of that house because they will sell it if you do not pay. Saying that your grannie's house is 2 million and borrowing 1.4 against is fraud - read it carefully: you are committing fraud if you do that by misrepresenting information to the bank. Even if you lie in your marital status, your date of birth or in the number of credits you already have. Even the smallest of these "little mistakes" are defined as fraud.

What Trump did is the equivalent of putting Chelsea (NY) prices to a flat in Modesto, California and get business credit based on that value. I personally would also indict the banker for fraud to their shareholders for accepting it.


Edited to add: TRUMP dEPOSITION: https://youtu.be/L_xMe80gQQI

Is a bit long but, basically Trump pleads the 5th and does not answer. As he never answers for anything he does.

[paxmao]

Latest news... A Trump co-defendant pleads guilty of the charges, gets a modest fine and sentence, but... listen carefully, this person will now testify, as required, to the rest:

https://youtu.be/KworJIScBr4

Also, Trump cannot simply keep his mouth shut, even when it is evident that it would be the wise course of action... so... he got a gag order:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/17/trump-gag-order-00121976

Trump’s fountain of bile — calling people “disgusting,” “moron,” “dummies,” “disgraceful,” “horseface,” “lowlife,” ‘dogs,” “low I.Q.,” or branding them with degrading nicknames — flowed then and flows now like an impure stream. In recent weeks, he’s topped even himself by calling obliquely for the execution of Gen. Mark A. Milley, urging shoplifters to be “shot,” accusing NBC News of “treason,” which is punishable with prison or death, and repeatedly calling the special counsel putting him on trial a “thug.”

How to deal with such an unstoppable force? Two judges have now wrapped gags around Trump’s big mouth in two of the many court cases he faces. In the New York state civil fraud case, Justice Arthur Engoron has barred Trump from making comments about his staff after Trump attacked one of the judge’s clerks in a Truth Social post. Engoron ordered the post taken down (Trump complied) and he has promised sanctions for future offenses. “Consider this statement a gag order,” Engoron said.

Meanwhile, this week in federal court, Judge Tanya Chutkan barred Trump from attacking, intimidating or threatening prospective witnesses (like Milley), court officers and prosecutors. Trump remains free to attack his campaign opponent Joe Biden and the Department of Justice itself, and he has already vowed to appeal the gag order. Should he offend again, sanctions in the form of fines or jail time may ensue.

Something is very wrong when a judge has to give you the order of not threatening witnesses 

[BADecker]

Latest news... A Trump co-defendant pleads guilty of the charges, gets a modest fine and sentence, but... listen carefully, this person will now testify, as required, to the rest:

https://youtu.be/KworJIScBr4

Also, Trump cannot simply keep his mouth shut, even when it is evident that it would be the wise course of action... so... he got a gag order:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/17/trump-gag-order-00121976

Trump’s fountain of bile — calling people “disgusting,” “moron,” “dummies,” “disgraceful,” “horseface,” “lowlife,” ‘dogs,” “low I.Q.,” or branding them with degrading nicknames — flowed then and flows now like an impure stream. In recent weeks, he’s topped even himself by calling obliquely for the execution of Gen. Mark A. Milley, urging shoplifters to be “shot,” accusing NBC News of “treason,” which is punishable with prison or death, and repeatedly calling the special counsel putting him on trial a “thug.”

How to deal with such an unstoppable force? Two judges have now wrapped gags around Trump’s big mouth in two of the many court cases he faces. In the New York state civil fraud case, Justice Arthur Engoron has barred Trump from making comments about his staff after Trump attacked one of the judge’s clerks in a Truth Social post. Engoron ordered the post taken down (Trump complied) and he has promised sanctions for future offenses. “Consider this statement a gag order,” Engoron said.

Meanwhile, this week in federal court, Judge Tanya Chutkan barred Trump from attacking, intimidating or threatening prospective witnesses (like Milley), court officers and prosecutors. Trump remains free to attack his campaign opponent Joe Biden and the Department of Justice itself, and he has already vowed to appeal the gag order. Should he offend again, sanctions in the form of fines or jail time may ensue.

Something is very wrong when a judge has to give you the order of not threatening witnesses 

Everything in general regarding accusing someone of something, must include a warning that the suit is coming if the activity doesn't stop. If Trump is going to legally attack someone and bring him into court, he has to tell him about it first. The same with the judges. That's why there are indictments without simple arrests when no violence has been done.

The judges' gag orders are nothing more than warnings. If they were actual prohibitions, they would have simply had Trump placed in chains, and stuck in solitary in a jail cell somewhere. The warnings hold a financial punishment, and possibly a jail sentence if the financial punishment doesn't work.

This is the same with Trump. His supposed threats are not threats. They are warnings. His problem is that he has not used the words 'fair warning' when he issued the warnings. Now that the judges have stopped Trump from giving fair warnings, they have taken it on themselves to allow Trump to sue without giving fair warnings ahead of time.

Based on Trump's history, I would guess that he won't sue very much. He doesn't seem to know the basics of the right way to sue, anyway. But that's like most Americans. Rather than sue the correct way, they hand themselves over to the will of the BAR Association, thereby taking themselves out of the exercising of the suit they wanted to exercise. Instead, they give their suit over the the members of the BAR (judges, attorneys) to play with. And if those BAR people are crooks, the suit goes where the BAR people want it to.

[Hispo]

Latest news... A Trump co-defendant pleads guilty of the charges, gets a modest fine and sentence, but... listen carefully, this person will now testify, as required, to the rest:

https://youtu.be/KworJIScBr4

Also, Trump cannot simply keep his mouth shut, even when it is evident that it would be the wise course of action... so... he got a gag order:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/17/trump-gag-order-00121976

Trump’s fountain of bile — calling people “disgusting,” “moron,” “dummies,” “disgraceful,” “horseface,” “lowlife,” ‘dogs,” “low I.Q.,” or branding them with degrading nicknames — flowed then and flows now like an impure stream. In recent weeks, he’s topped even himself by calling obliquely for the execution of Gen. Mark A. Milley, urging shoplifters to be “shot,” accusing NBC News of “treason,” which is punishable with prison or death, and repeatedly calling the special counsel putting him on trial a “thug.”

How to deal with such an unstoppable force? Two judges have now wrapped gags around Trump’s big mouth in two of the many court cases he faces. In the New York state civil fraud case, Justice Arthur Engoron has barred Trump from making comments about his staff after Trump attacked one of the judge’s clerks in a Truth Social post. Engoron ordered the post taken down (Trump complied) and he has promised sanctions for future offenses. “Consider this statement a gag order,” Engoron said.

Meanwhile, this week in federal court, Judge Tanya Chutkan barred Trump from attacking, intimidating or threatening prospective witnesses (like Milley), court officers and prosecutors. Trump remains free to attack his campaign opponent Joe Biden and the Department of Justice itself, and he has already vowed to appeal the gag order. Should he offend again, sanctions in the form of fines or jail time may ensue.

Something is very wrong when a judge has to give you the order of not threatening witnesses  

Trump does not understand that defendants are supposed to remain quiet and with a low profile, if they want their lawyers to have more chances of getting you out of trouble.

Still, he is one of the leading presidential candidates in this race and he has learnt he needs to be as polemic as possible and belittle others as often as he has the chance, in order to further rally his base and continue to increase his advantage over others, Biden included.

On the other side, he may be getting nervous of some codefendants pleading guilty and further cooperating with investigators to get the other people accused several long time sentences. At this point, he is running for the charge so he won't get himself thrown into a cell.
The United States of America will certainly be at her lower point in politics, if Trump gets back into the White House next year.

[paxmao]

Latest news... A Trump co-defendant pleads guilty of the charges, gets a modest fine and sentence, but... listen carefully, this person will now testify, as required, to the rest:

https://youtu.be/KworJIScBr4

Also, Trump cannot simply keep his mouth shut, even when it is evident that it would be the wise course of action... so... he got a gag order:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/17/trump-gag-order-00121976

Trump’s fountain of bile — calling people “disgusting,” “moron,” “dummies,” “disgraceful,” “horseface,” “lowlife,” ‘dogs,” “low I.Q.,” or branding them with degrading nicknames — flowed then and flows now like an impure stream. In recent weeks, he’s topped even himself by calling obliquely for the execution of Gen. Mark A. Milley, urging shoplifters to be “shot,” accusing NBC News of “treason,” which is punishable with prison or death, and repeatedly calling the special counsel putting him on trial a “thug.”

How to deal with such an unstoppable force? Two judges have now wrapped gags around Trump’s big mouth in two of the many court cases he faces. In the New York state civil fraud case, Justice Arthur Engoron has barred Trump from making comments about his staff after Trump attacked one of the judge’s clerks in a Truth Social post. Engoron ordered the post taken down (Trump complied) and he has promised sanctions for future offenses. “Consider this statement a gag order,” Engoron said.

Meanwhile, this week in federal court, Judge Tanya Chutkan barred Trump from attacking, intimidating or threatening prospective witnesses (like Milley), court officers and prosecutors. Trump remains free to attack his campaign opponent Joe Biden and the Department of Justice itself, and he has already vowed to appeal the gag order. Should he offend again, sanctions in the form of fines or jail time may ensue.

Something is very wrong when a judge has to give you the order of not threatening witnesses  

Trump does not understand that defendants are supposed to remain quiet and with a low profile, if they want their lawyers to have more chances of getting you out of trouble.

Still, he is one of the leading presidential candidates in this race and he has learnt he needs to be as polemic as possible and belittle others as often as he has the chance, in order to further rally his base and continue to increase his advantage over others, Biden included.

On the other side, he may be getting nervous of some codefendants pleading guilty and further cooperating with investigators to get the other people accused several long time sentences. At this point, he is running for the charge so he won't get himself thrown into a cell.
The United States of America will certainly be at her lower point in politics, if Trump gets back into the White House next year.

Yep. It is not about his politics -  they are not that different from most right-right Republicans and his views are not that special. It is about how he does politics and how he acts like a consented brat name calling the opponents, threatening, etc... You know, who the f*ck threatens the clerk of the courtroom?? or some random person that happened to be counting votes one day??

That is not a proper conduct for a president and is not politics, is not ideas, it is simply misbehaviour.

[DooMAD]

How to deal with such an unstoppable force? Two judges have now wrapped gags around Trump’s big mouth in two of the many court cases he faces. In the New York state civil fraud case, Justice Arthur Engoron has barred Trump from making comments about his staff after Trump attacked one of the judge’s clerks in a Truth Social post. Engoron ordered the post taken down (Trump complied) and he has promised sanctions for future offenses. “Consider this statement a gag order,” Engoron said.

Turns out he didn't comply after all.  The post was removed from social media, but remained on his campaign website:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/trump-threatened-with-prison-for-violating-gag-order.html

Too stupid to follow even the most basic of instructions.  How the hell did this man get made President?

[Hispo]

So huh ... Today I got to take a look at the news and realized that more codefendants in the Georgia case have pleaded guilty, which is certainly a surprise to me.
The most visual one is Miss Powell, who appeared on Fox claiming she was about to demonstrate all the cheating behind the presidential election of 2020, release the Kraken and similar stuff.

Obviously, the more codefendants start to plead guilty the more nervous Trump would be getting, since it is almost certain they are getting some more light sentences in exchange for fully cooperating with the procecutors.

This is quite a Rock bottom to hit by Miss Powell, keeping in mind her previous declarations and allegations, let us see what happens next...

[paxmao]

https://youtu.be/4rURDJl7Pko?t=21

Here is yet another example of Trump turning on his own people, just after their "own people" turn on him. Curiously, while throwing courses about a judge in New York, he tell the press to look for references about Steve Bannon from the New York courts. It does not matter, no cognitive dissonance ever.

Michael Cohen accused Donald Trump of asking him to increase the value of his assets based on a number “arbitrarily elected” by the former president.

Testifying against his former boss in a $250 million civil fraud trial, he told the court his role was to “reverse engineer” the value of assets in order to achieve the number Mr Trump had chosen.

Cohen also piled blame on Mr Trump when asked to recount the federal crimes he had pleaded guilty to in 2018.

He said he committed one of the charges - lying to Congress about Trump’s efforts to land a property in Russia - “at the direction and benefit of Mr. Trump”.

Yet another "friend" that finally gives away the mafia boss and lays plainly what many people suspected -  a permanent despise of the law and the belief by Trump that he did not really have to follow it - that's for the lower kind.

...

Too stupid to follow even the most basic of instructions.  How the hell did this man get made President?

Well, have you got some direct knowledge of the education system in the US? It explains lots of things.

[Hispo]

https://youtu.be/4rURDJl7Pko?t=21

Here is yet another example of Trump turning on his own people, just after their "own people" turn on him. Curiously, while throwing courses about a judge in New York, he tell the press to look for references about Steve Bannon from the New York courts. It does not matter, no cognitive dissonance ever.

Michael Cohen accused Donald Trump of asking him to increase the value of his assets based on a number “arbitrarily elected” by the former president.

Testifying against his former boss in a $250 million civil fraud trial, he told the court his role was to “reverse engineer” the value of assets in order to achieve the number Mr Trump had chosen.

Cohen also piled blame on Mr Trump when asked to recount the federal crimes he had pleaded guilty to in 2018.

He said he committed one of the charges - lying to Congress about Trump’s efforts to land a property in Russia - “at the direction and benefit of Mr. Trump”.

Yet another "friend" that finally gives away the mafia boss and lays plainly what many people suspected -  a permanent despise of the law and the belief by Trump that he did not really have to follow it - that's for the lower kind.

...

Too stupid to follow even the most basic of instructions.  How the hell did this man get made President?

Well, have you got some direct knowledge of the education system in the US? It explains lots of things.

To me it is more impressive how Trump is willing to say that Powell was never his lawyer or never represented his campaign whatsoever, when in reality there is digital evidence and even video of Trump and Rudy, claiming Powell was part of their team to find the alledged fraud which occurred during the 2020 election.
Of course, it only happened after Trump himself learn about Powell plea deal and possible future cooperation with prosecutors. He does not even care there is video contradicting his statements, I wonder to what extent his followers believe she was never a lawyer for Trump...

[BADecker]

https://youtu.be/4rURDJl7Pko?t=21

Here is yet another example of Trump turning on his own people, just after their "own people" turn on him. Curiously, while throwing courses about a judge in New York, he tell the press to look for references about Steve Bannon from the New York courts. It does not matter, no cognitive dissonance ever.

Michael Cohen accused Donald Trump of asking him to increase the value of his assets based on a number “arbitrarily elected” by the former president.

Testifying against his former boss in a $250 million civil fraud trial, he told the court his role was to “reverse engineer” the value of assets in order to achieve the number Mr Trump had chosen.

Cohen also piled blame on Mr Trump when asked to recount the federal crimes he had pleaded guilty to in 2018.

He said he committed one of the charges - lying to Congress about Trump’s efforts to land a property in Russia - “at the direction and benefit of Mr. Trump”.

Yet another "friend" that finally gives away the mafia boss and lays plainly what many people suspected -  a permanent despise of the law and the belief by Trump that he did not really have to follow it - that's for the lower kind.

...

Too stupid to follow even the most basic of instructions.  How the hell did this man get made President?

Well, have you got some direct knowledge of the education system in the US? It explains lots of things.

To me it is more impressive how Trump is willing to say that Powell was never his lawyer or never represented his campaign whatsoever, when in reality there is digital evidence and even video of Trump and Rudy, claiming Powell was part of their team to find the alledged fraud which occurred during the 2020 election.
Of course, it only happened after Trump himself learn about Powell plea deal and possible future cooperation with prosecutors. He does not even care there is video contradicting his statements, I wonder to what extent his followers believe she was never a lawyer for Trump...

No contradiction. Part of the "team" does not necessarily make her his lawyer. Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with the things that the Deep State are trying to do.


New guilty pleas unlikely to bolster Georgia case against Trump


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-31-guilty-pleas-unlikely-boost-georgia-case-trump.html
Three former legal advisers to ex-President Donald Trump have recently entered guilty pleas in an ongoing criminal case in Fulton County, Georgia. However, legal experts, including former prosecutor David Gelman, believe that these plea deals are unlikely to significantly impact the prosecution's case against the former president.

In August, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis charged Trump and 18 other individuals, accusing them of conspiring to unlawfully overturn Georgia's 2020 election results. (Related: Donald Trump pleads not guilty to ginned-up charges of attempting to overturn 2020 election results.)

Attorney Sydney Powell, who supported efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, pleaded guilty on Oct. 19 to six misdemeanor charges.

The following day, attorney Kenneth Chesebro accepted a plea deal, admitting to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

Jenna Ellis, another attorney who supported Trump's efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, also pleaded guilty on Oct. 24 to a single felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings.

Scott Hall, a bail bondsman charged in the Fulton County case, also entered a plea deal last month, acknowledging responsibility for five misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

As part of their plea agreements, Chesebro, Hall, Powell and Ellis have agreed to testify for the prosecution as the case proceeds against Trump and the remaining co-defendants.

David Gelman, a former assistant county prosecutor and now a defense attorney, suggested that the early plea deals might be a strategy to pressure other defendants in the case to cooperate and potentially isolate Trump legally.

Plea deals are not rare
...

[TwitchySeal]

New guilty pleas unlikely to bolster Georgia case against Trump


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-10-31-guilty-pleas-unlikely-boost-georgia-case-trump.html
Three former legal advisers to ex-President Donald Trump have recently entered guilty pleas in an ongoing criminal case in Fulton County, Georgia. However, legal experts, including former prosecutor David Gelman, believe that these plea deals are unlikely to significantly impact the prosecution's case against the former president.

In August, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis charged Trump and 18 other individuals, accusing them of conspiring to unlawfully overturn Georgia's 2020 election results. (Related: Donald Trump pleads not guilty to ginned-up charges of attempting to overturn 2020 election results.)

Attorney Sydney Powell, who supported efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, pleaded guilty on Oct. 19 to six misdemeanor charges.

The following day, attorney Kenneth Chesebro accepted a plea deal, admitting to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

Jenna Ellis, another attorney who supported Trump's efforts to challenge the 2020 election results, also pleaded guilty on Oct. 24 to a single felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings.

Scott Hall, a bail bondsman charged in the Fulton County case, also entered a plea deal last month, acknowledging responsibility for five misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

As part of their plea agreements, Chesebro, Hall, Powell and Ellis have agreed to testify for the prosecution as the case proceeds against Trump and the remaining co-defendants.

David Gelman, a former assistant county prosecutor and now a defense attorney, suggested that the early plea deals might be a strategy to pressure other defendants in the case to cooperate and potentially isolate Trump legally.

Plea deals are not rare
...

Why guilty pleas in Georgia 2020 election interference case pose significant risk to Donald Trump


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-codefendants-guilty-pleas-georgia-criminal-case-2020-election/
The first defectors from Donald Trump's Georgia criminal case pose significant risk to the former president because they include "senior participants" in the alleged scheme to overthrow the 2020 election, experts say.

Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis was the latest to agree to testify in any trials related to the case, which revolves around efforts to thwart Georgia's 2020 election after Trump lost. Trump and 18 others were charged Aug. 15 by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, and accused of operating a "criminal enterprise" that conspired to overturn the election.

Now, four members of that alleged racket have agreed to cooperate against the other 15.

Two other lawyers involved with the effort, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, and a bail bondsman named Scott Hall, also entered guilty pleas in recent weeks.

Attorney Norm Eisen described the lawyers as "senior participants" in two different facets of the alleged crimes: the effort to portray Trump as the winner, and the effort to have former Vice President Mike Pence use false electors to certify Trump as the winner.

"With the pleas of the three lawyers, the rug is pulled out from under both of those legs," said Eisen, a co-founder of States United Democracy Center, a nonpartisan advocacy organization focused on elections. "That's because Powell and Ellis were two of the primary pushers of the false facts, and Chesebro of the false legal theory."

Ellis said at her sentencing Tuesday that "I failed to do my due diligence" in agreeing to work on Trump's behalf in 2020.

"If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges. I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse," Ellis said.

Georgia State University law professor Anthony Michael Kreis said Ellis' and other confessions are "a huge boon for the D.A. when this goes to trial as prosecutors work to secure convictions."

"It also makes the case harder to attack politically as individuals are now on the record about their culpability in the scheme to overturn the election," Kreis said.

If the list of guilty pleas grows, it could mean big problems for Trump.

"That would be a very troubling development for Donald Trump, who will likely have to face multiple self-admitted co-conspirators on the witness stand testifying about his role," Kreis said.

Dominoes falling toward Trump
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[Hispo]

I tend to agree with TwitchySeal on this one. Again, I am not a lawyer, nor live in the United States, but from what I have learnt from previous criminal cases I have read about co-defendants take guilty pleas can only be bad news for the rest of those who are not willing to also take a deal with prosecutors, and since we all know Donald Trump will not take any deal from prosecutors, his situation will only worsen as people continue to choose to flip on him and offer their testimony under oath.

Also, even though Powell pleaded guilty in court, she declared she was a victim of extortion and thrus she pleaded that way. I assume such out of court declarations do not have any influence on her pleading status, do they?

[paxmao]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/02/donald-trump-jr-day-two-testimony-fraud-trial
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/nyregion/eric-trump-donald-jr-fraud-trial.html

In a sometimes tetchy exchange, Eric Trump was asked about emails that showed subordinates asking for information about Trump’s financial reports. “Hi Eric, I’m working on your dad’s annual financial statement,” read one email from Jeffrey McConney, the Trump Organization’s former controller, asking for details about a Trump property.

Trump sons are trying to blame the accountants for the valuations and other fraudulent activities. They could very well say - "hey I was just enjoying the life of the rich, I did not know I had to know about the money you know?".

Trump’s Sons Cast the Blame for Fraud on Their Company’s Accountants
Donald Trump Jr. and his brother Eric Trump both testified in the  trial that accuses their family business of overvaluing its assets.

Just in case, for people who may not be familiar with the US system - you cannot discharge your faults on to your accountant. If an accountant prepares your tax return and these are not correct, it is you who gets audited and it is you who can even serve time in prison - not to mention pay hefty fines.

[BADecker]

^^^ However, the thing that we are seeing is that people recognize that Trump's faults are not nearly as bad as the faults of the Deep State. It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump, while they are doing much bigger crimes than Trump could ever think of.

Average people are doing tiny things like the manipulations that Trump is being accused of. They are doing them just to live. And the reason they have to do them to live is, the Deep State is taking away their freedom even to live. So, they will be siding with Trump, who actually gave them freedom... at least to a great extent.

[TwitchySeal]

It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump

Deep state lol.
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries across multiple jurisdictions for both federal and state felonies.  If convicted on just a few of the nearly 100 charges he could easily spend the rest of his life in prison (although he will most likely spend the rest of his life in the White House or dragging out appeals).  Not so piddly imo.

In Florida:

31 counts of willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
One count of withholding a document or record
One count of corruptly concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of scheming to conceal
One count of making false statements and representations for allegedly causing his lawyer to certify that all classified documents had been turned over to federal authorities on June 3

In Georgia:

Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents

In DC:




Remember when they used to chant that?

[Hispo]

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Average people are doing tiny things like the manipulations that Trump is being accused of. They are doing them just to live. And the reason they have to do them to live is, the Deep State is taking away their freedom even to live. So, they will be siding with Trump, who actually gave them freedom... at least to a great extent.

Care lo elaborate?
Is that a reference of people having to go out their way to face inflation and other economical problems? or perhaps do you mean other things, like the fight for the right of abortion, etc?

How is the Deep State exactly doing these things like taking away the freedom to live from the average people of the United States? Honestly, if the United States was not a first world country and one of the biggest examples of democracies in this century, I would assume you are talking about extrajudicial executions, like those one can hear about from countries going through very dangerous social crises.

Anything which is going on there, I hope it never reach a point when the things you maybe implying actually end up happening.

[Nerdy doctor]

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Average people are doing tiny things like the manipulations that Trump is being accused of. They are doing them just to live. And the reason they have to do them to live is, the Deep State is taking away their freedom even to live. So, they will be siding with Trump, who actually gave them freedom... at least to a great extent.

Care lo elaborate?
Is that a reference of people having to go out their way to face inflation and other economical problems? or perhaps do you mean other things, like the fight for the right of abortion, etc?

People lying on their forms, devaluing their properties when it’s time to pay taxes and overvalue them when looking to the bank for a loan isn’t average people doing tiny manipulations. And it’s not about the average person as the average person would have long faced some consequences.
If there’s anyone’s freedom being taken away, it’s the freedom of women to choose what’s best for them concerning abortion. It’s about time Trump is held accountable for his many many wrong doings.

[DooMAD]

I'm guessing when BADecker refers to "deep state crimes", he means that society now calls him out on being a bigot and places limitations on his access to firearms.

oH tHe HuMaNiTy!  

[Hispo]

I'm guessing when BADecker refers to "deep state crimes", he means that society now calls him out on being a bigot and places limitations on his access to firearms.

oH tHe HuMaNiTy!  

I mean, noones likes to be called out for anything, even though one knows one is not in the right direction but actually at fault. You call a thief a thief and they will lash out against you.
He is free to think and believe whatever he wants, as long as he repects other's people views. The problem starts when his views are so incompatible with the current political correctness, so he starts to perceive himself to be mistreated by society and comes to the conclusion there are demons roaming around the streets.
Granted, there is much evil in this planet and we should be aware of it, but when one can only talk bad things about one's society and country under a particular administration, then it is time to check one's political ideas.

[BADecker]

I'm guessing when BADecker refers to "deep state crimes", he means that society now calls him out on being a bigot and places limitations on his access to firearms.

oH tHe HuMaNiTy!  

I mean, noones likes to be called out for anything, even though one knows one is not in the right direction but actually at fault. You call a thief a thief and they will lash out against you.
He is free to think and believe whatever he wants, as long as he repects other's people views. The problem starts when his views are so incompatible with the current political correctness, so he starts to perceive himself to be mistreated by society and comes to the conclusion there are demons roaming around the streets.
Granted, there is much evil in this planet and we should be aware of it, but when one can only talk bad things about one's society and country under a particular administration, then it is time to check one's political ideas.

I kinda want to thank you, Hipo, especially if you are talking about me. I mean, when somebody is important enough that his personal political ideals should be checked, rather than the good/bad he is doing... well, that's pretty important.

Trump's political ideals have been described >>> MAGA. And it shows in all the good things he was doing for his country - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

But anybody can see the big bad things that the current regime is doing to their country. All a person needs do is expand a little on the things that OgNasty posted here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391975.280.

So, what do you think? Is the way a person puts his pants on more important that the things he does for or against his country? Are you going to focus on the way the guy sits on the toilet?... or what he does that affects the people of his country and the world? It seems like you are moving from what is important into ad-hominem attacks. Why skip the ad-hominem? Because everybody makes mistakes as well as doing good things. What's important is the BIG good he is doing for others.

So, with regard to whatever affects America and her people, look at the evidence between Trump and Biden. Look also at what Americans are legally, lawfully, and peacefully doing about it (second site, below). The next step is Americans legally sliding out from under the oppression of their government.


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/353375-2023-11-06-democrats-panic-as-poll-shows-trump-defeating-biden-with-300.htm


https://banned.video/watch?id=65483725bfe840c0735883e1
Guest host Royce White breaks down the Democrats panicking over the political fallout of the latest New York Times poll showing Trump trouncing Biden with 300 electoral college votes in a hypothetical 2024 matchup just one year out from the election.
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[paxmao]

It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump

Deep state lol.
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries across multiple jurisdictions for both federal and state felonies.  If convicted on just a few of the nearly 100 charges he could easily spend the rest of his life in prison (although he will most likely spend the rest of his life in the White House or dragging out appeals).  Not so piddly imo.

In Florida:

31 counts of willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
One count of withholding a document or record
One count of corruptly concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of scheming to conceal
One count of making false statements and representations for allegedly causing his lawyer to certify that all classified documents had been turned over to federal authorities on June 3

In Georgia:

Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents

In DC:




Remember when they used to chant that?

I do remember Trump in an electoral debate saying to Hilary - "you are going to jail" and for much much less than what he is accused of and with much much less evidence of any offence. I think that the good thing about the trial in New York is that all the evidence is in written so only those who are willing to simply ignore anything that is not to their liking can keep defending the guy and thinking he is not a felon.

[BADecker]

It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump

Deep state lol.
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries across multiple jurisdictions for both federal and state felonies.  If convicted on just a few of the nearly 100 charges he could easily spend the rest of his life in prison (although he will most likely spend the rest of his life in the White House or dragging out appeals).  Not so piddly imo.

In Florida:

31 counts of willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
One count of withholding a document or record
One count of corruptly concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of scheming to conceal
One count of making false statements and representations for allegedly causing his lawyer to certify that all classified documents had been turned over to federal authorities on June 3

In Georgia:

Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents

In DC:

https://i.gyazo.com/611e6d0960e8dc271b6684544c2b6468.png

https://i.gyazo.com/eeb6ff8b56b19ceda25a7413e3b94920.png
Remember when they used to chant that?

I do remember Trump in an electoral debate saying to Hilary - "you are going to jail" and for much much less than what he is accused of and with much much less evidence of any offence. I think that the good thing about the trial in New York is that all the evidence is in written so only those who are willing to simply ignore anything that is not to their liking can keep defending the guy and thinking he is not a felon.

Actually, there is a big difference between Trump accusations and Hillary accusations.

Trump has done very little wrong regarding his governmental operations. And, he has done a lot of good - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. In addition, Trump is in favor of Making America Great Again - MAGA.

Hillary did a lot of bad in government... One example is the Benghazi episode - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Benghazi+Hillary&t=ffab&ia=web. And outside of government, she wants to make American freedom - MAGA - go away. She calls it a cult - Hillary Clinton: "There Needs To Be A Formal Deprogramming" Of The Trump Cult Members - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351830-2023-10-07-hillary-clinton-there-needs-to-be-a-formal-deprogramming-of.htm.

You are mixing government stuff with personal stuff. The Trump trials are personal stuff. So:

1. Trump personal stuff: maybe a little bad, but maybe not bad at all. The verdict isn't in, yet;
2. Trump government stuff: good.

3. Hillary personal stuff: bad;
4. Hillary government stuff: bad.

Trump is right, and probably good.


Trump On Trial: Let The Kangaroo Court Continue!


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2023/november/06/trump-on-trial-let-the-kangaroo-court-continue/
Former President Donald Trump is expected to testify today in the New York civil case revolving around the alleged elevated valuation of his business empire. While the lawfare against Trump increases...so do his poll numbers! Also today: Blinken in Baghdad...he wasn't greeted as a liberator. Watch today's Liberty Report:
[VIDEO]
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[TwitchySeal]

It shows in the fact that the DS are bringing piddly little charges against Trump

Deep state lol.
Trump has been indicted by multiple grand juries across multiple jurisdictions for both federal and state felonies.  If convicted on just a few of the nearly 100 charges he could easily spend the rest of his life in prison (although he will most likely spend the rest of his life in the White House or dragging out appeals).  Not so piddly imo.

In Florida:

31 counts of willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act
One count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
One count of withholding a document or record
One count of corruptly concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
One count of scheming to conceal
One count of making false statements and representations for allegedly causing his lawyer to certify that all classified documents had been turned over to federal authorities on June 3

In Georgia:

Violating Georgia's racketeering act
Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer
Conspiracy to impersonate a public officer
Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree
False statements and writings and filing false documents

In DC:

https://i.gyazo.com/611e6d0960e8dc271b6684544c2b6468.png

https://i.gyazo.com/eeb6ff8b56b19ceda25a7413e3b94920.png
Remember when they used to chant that?

I do remember Trump in an electoral debate saying to Hilary - "you are going to jail" and for much much less than what he is accused of and with much much less evidence of any offence. I think that the good thing about the trial in New York is that all the evidence is in written so only those who are willing to simply ignore anything that is not to their liking can keep defending the guy and thinking he is not a felon.

Actually, there is a big difference between Trump accusations and Hillary accusations.

Trump has done very little wrong regarding his governmental operations. And, he has done a lot of good - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. In addition, Trump is in favor of Making America Great Again - MAGA.

Hillary did a lot of bad in government... One example is the Benghazi episode - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Benghazi+Hillary&t=ffab&ia=web. And outside of government, she wants to make American freedom - MAGA - go away. She calls it a cult - Hillary Clinton: "There Needs To Be A Formal Deprogramming" Of The Trump Cult Members - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351830-2023-10-07-hillary-clinton-there-needs-to-be-a-formal-deprogramming-of.htm.

You are mixing government stuff with personal stuff. The Trump trials are personal stuff. So:

That's what Jack Smith is saying too.

Trumps lawyers are literally arguing in court that that the Washington DC charges should be thrown out because for all the crimes he's been charged with involve his official actions as president and therefore he should be immune from criminal prosecution.

Jack Smith says he was acting as a candidate and working for his re election campaign, which is separate from office of the president.

[BADecker]

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Actually, there is a big difference between Trump accusations and Hillary accusations.

Trump has done very little wrong regarding his governmental operations. And, he has done a lot of good - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. In addition, Trump is in favor of Making America Great Again - MAGA.

Hillary did a lot of bad in government... One example is the Benghazi episode - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Benghazi+Hillary&t=ffab&ia=web. And outside of government, she wants to make American freedom - MAGA - go away. She calls it a cult - Hillary Clinton: "There Needs To Be A Formal Deprogramming" Of The Trump Cult Members - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351830-2023-10-07-hillary-clinton-there-needs-to-be-a-formal-deprogramming-of.htm.

You are mixing government stuff with personal stuff. The Trump trials are personal stuff. So:

That's what Jack Smith is saying too.

Trumps lawyers are literally arguing in court that that the Washington DC charges should be thrown out because for all the crimes he's been charged with involve his official actions as president and therefore he should be immune from criminal prosecution.

Jack Smith says he was acting as a candidate and working for his re election campaign, which is separate from office of the president.

Things happening in the Trump trials. This first link is different than the article, below. BREAKING IN GEORGIA! Lawyers withdraw!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7q_ZyhBnYE.


Stefanik Hits "Radical Leftist" Trump Judge With Ethics Complaint


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stefanik-hits-radical-leftist-trump-judge-ethics-complaint
While the jury is still out over whether the wife of Judge Arthur Engoron made anti-Trump posts on X, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) has filed an ethics complaint against judge himself, accusing him of displaying "inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance" towards the former president in his civil fraud trial taking place in New York.

"I filed an official judicial complaint against Judge Arthur Engoron for his inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance in New York's disgraceful lawsuit against President Donald J. Trump and the Trump Organization," Stefanik told NBC News. "Americans are sick and tired of the blatant corruption by radical Leftist judges in NY. All New Yorkers must speak out against the dangerous weaponized lawfare against President Trump."

According to the complaint, Engoron has exhibited "clear judicial bias" against Trump, including telling Trump's attorney that the former president is "just a bad guy," who NY Attorney General Letitia James "should go after."

"Simply put, Judge Engoron has displayed a clear judicial bias against the defendant throughout the case, breaking several rules in the New York Code of Judicial Conduct," reads the letter.

"Judge Engoron entered summary judgment against the defendant before the trial even began, without witnesses, other evidence, and cross-examination," she continued, noting that this was "despite the fact there's disputed material evidence–and there's no victim of the defendant's supposed fraud. "

Stefanik also notes that Engoron and his staff are "partisan Democrat donors," and that Engoron himself, as recently as 2018, "donated to the Manhattan Democrats."
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[TwitchySeal]

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Actually, there is a big difference between Trump accusations and Hillary accusations.

Trump has done very little wrong regarding his governmental operations. And, he has done a lot of good - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. In addition, Trump is in favor of Making America Great Again - MAGA.

Hillary did a lot of bad in government... One example is the Benghazi episode - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Benghazi+Hillary&t=ffab&ia=web. And outside of government, she wants to make American freedom - MAGA - go away. She calls it a cult - Hillary Clinton: "There Needs To Be A Formal Deprogramming" Of The Trump Cult Members - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/351830-2023-10-07-hillary-clinton-there-needs-to-be-a-formal-deprogramming-of.htm.

You are mixing government stuff with personal stuff. The Trump trials are personal stuff. So:

That's what Jack Smith is saying too.

Trumps lawyers are literally arguing in court that that the Washington DC charges should be thrown out because for all the crimes he's been charged with involve his official actions as president and therefore he should be immune from criminal prosecution.

Jack Smith says he was acting as a candidate and working for his re election campaign, which is separate from office of the president.

Things happening in the Trump trials. This first link is different than the article, below. BREAKING IN GEORGIA! Lawyers withdraw!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7q_ZyhBnYE.


Stefanik Hits "Radical Leftist" Trump Judge With Ethics Complaint


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stefanik-hits-radical-leftist-trump-judge-ethics-complaint
While the jury is still out over whether the wife of Judge Arthur Engoron made anti-Trump posts on X, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) has filed an ethics complaint against judge himself, accusing him of displaying "inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance" towards the former president in his civil fraud trial taking place in New York.

"I filed an official judicial complaint against Judge Arthur Engoron for his inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance in New York's disgraceful lawsuit against President Donald J. Trump and the Trump Organization," Stefanik told NBC News. "Americans are sick and tired of the blatant corruption by radical Leftist judges in NY. All New Yorkers must speak out against the dangerous weaponized lawfare against President Trump."

According to the complaint, Engoron has exhibited "clear judicial bias" against Trump, including telling Trump's attorney that the former president is "just a bad guy," who NY Attorney General Letitia James "should go after."

"Simply put, Judge Engoron has displayed a clear judicial bias against the defendant throughout the case, breaking several rules in the New York Code of Judicial Conduct," reads the letter.

"Judge Engoron entered summary judgment against the defendant before the trial even began, without witnesses, other evidence, and cross-examination," she continued, noting that this was "despite the fact there's disputed material evidence–and there's no victim of the defendant's supposed fraud. "

Stefanik also notes that Engoron and his staff are "partisan Democrat donors," and that Engoron himself, as recently as 2018, "donated to the Manhattan Democrats."
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Elise Stefanik wants to run for VP it seems.  

Former prosecutor on Stefanik’s ethics complaint against NY fraud judge: ‘She knows better’

A former federal prosecutor went after Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) on Friday, saying her ethics complaint against the judge presiding over former President Trump’s New York business fraud trail is “irresponsible.”

“She knows better,” Andrew Weissmann told MSNBC on Friday. “And that is really — this idea that it’s constantly a step too far and it’s now normalized where you have somebody in Congress doing that and the judge is just doing his job.”

Weissmann, who was a federal prosecutor in New York and the FBI’s general counsel, described Stefanik as one of “a number of enablers” for Trump.

“You may disagree with him,” he said, referring to the judge. “You can say that. You can say he’s missed evidence. But really? A complaint against him for doing his job? Beyond the pale.”

Stefanik’s complaint against Judge Arthur Engoron alleges that the judge has shown “inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance” against Trump in the case.

Her letter also echoes many of the same arguments Trump’s legal team has in protesting the trial, brought forth by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which prosecutors are seeking to strip the former president and his adult sons of their state business licenses.

Engoron already ruled that Trump committed business fraud by manipulating the value of his assets, the trial is set to determine damages. Prosecutors are seeking at least $250 million in penalties.

Trump took the stand in the trail on Monday, going on random stump-speech-like tangents which sparked rebuke from Engoron towards Trump’s lawyer, Chris Kise.

“Mr. Kise, can you control your client? This is not a political rally,” Engoron said.

Much of Stefanik’s complaints were over a partial gag order imposed on Trump and his attorneys preventing him from bad-mouthing employees of the court and case witnesses. He has been fined a total of $15,000 for two violations of the order.

“If anyone in America must have the constitutional right to speak out against the judge, his staff, the witnesses, or the process, it’s a defendant going through a process he believes is politicized and weaponized against him,” Stefanik wrote. “To gag a defendant is un-American.”

The seven-week trial remains ongoing.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4305179-former-prosecutor-on-elise-stefaniks-ethics-complaint-ny-fraud-trial/

[Hispo]

Last night I took a look at the leaked recorded testimony of Powell under oath and I must say it is quite impressive how she dared to say she was forced to plea guilty by prosecutors, that woman does not seem to be mentally well.
During her declarations one can easily see she is calm and not being extremely pressured by interviewers, but that is just a side story, keeping in mind what is going on in Trump world.

So far, left right news and media have been pushing the narrative Trump actually had plans to remain in power, regardless of the status of his lawsuits in different states where he claimed fraud took place,mthst theory being fueled by the collaboration of His co-conspirators. I am not sure whether he are yet in a phase of the trial where we are supposed to draw such serious conclusions, but it is clear the rise of popularity of Trump (in the polls) is alarming to those who do not agree with his second term run.

[BADecker]

^^^ Powell is an attorney. She knows the law attorney-style, because that was the way she was trained. But attorney-ism is only one slice of the pie, and he judges understand this.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (CJS) is the second major law encyclopedia in the US. It is rather public, and can be found in all law libraries of significance, and many regular libraries. Take a look at what you do when you hire an attorney to fight for you in a legal case - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

The essence of the several CJS court and legal sites shown at the above website is, when you become the client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. This means that you don't have any standing to do or say anything that the court doesn't want you to say... your attorneys are under the jurisdiction of the judge, who can disbar them if they don't obey his orders.. So, since Powell hired attorneys to represent her, she doesn't have the right to do anything other than what the court tells her to do.

It's as simple as that. And it is the same for Trump except for one thing. The judges and courts don't have any authority to interfere with a person running for the office of the Presidency. In Trump's case, the trial is a sham until after the 2024 elections, or after the end of his term if he wins. He knows it and they know it.

[paxmao]

^^^ Powell is an attorney. She knows the law attorney-style, because that was the way she was trained. But attorney-ism is only one slice of the pie, and he judges understand this.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (CJS) is the second major law encyclopedia in the US. It is rather public, and can be found in all law libraries of significance, and many regular libraries. Take a look at what you do when you hire an attorney to fight for you in a legal case - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

The essence of the several CJS court and legal sites shown at the above website is, when you become the client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. This means that you don't have any standing to do or say anything that the court doesn't want you to say... your attorneys are under the jurisdiction of the judge, who can disbar them if they don't obey his orders.. So, since Powell hired attorneys to represent her, she doesn't have the right to do anything other than what the court tells her to do.

It's as simple as that. And it is the same for Trump except for one thing. The judges and courts don't have any authority to interfere with a person running for the office of the Presidency. In Trump's case, the trial is a sham until after the 2024 elections, or after the end of his term if he wins. He knows it and they know it.

False, being a ward of the court does not mean anything like that. You are way out of your understanding of legal maters. You do have the right to say whatever you want when asked.

Judges are not interfering with Trump running for candidate, they are judging him for more than 50 felonies. It is such an stupid argument -  all any criminal would need to do is run for office and be free of being processed.

[BADecker]

^^^ Powell is an attorney. She knows the law attorney-style, because that was the way she was trained. But attorney-ism is only one slice of the pie, and he judges understand this.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (CJS) is the second major law encyclopedia in the US. It is rather public, and can be found in all law libraries of significance, and many regular libraries. Take a look at what you do when you hire an attorney to fight for you in a legal case - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

The essence of the several CJS court and legal sites shown at the above website is, when you become the client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. This means that you don't have any standing to do or say anything that the court doesn't want you to say... your attorneys are under the jurisdiction of the judge, who can disbar them if they don't obey his orders.. So, since Powell hired attorneys to represent her, she doesn't have the right to do anything other than what the court tells her to do.

It's as simple as that. And it is the same for Trump except for one thing. The judges and courts don't have any authority to interfere with a person running for the office of the Presidency. In Trump's case, the trial is a sham until after the 2024 elections, or after the end of his term if he wins. He knows it and they know it.

False, being a ward of the court does not mean anything like that. You are way out of your understanding of legal maters. You do have the right to say whatever you want when asked.

Judges are not interfering with Trump running for candidate, they are judging him for more than 50 felonies. It is such an stupid argument -  all any criminal would need to do is run for office and be free of being processed.

Children are not allowed to say anything substantial in court, except that the court allows them to. Why not? Because they are under age, and deemed to not have had enough experience in life to be able to speak in an appropriate way.

This means that when a person becomes a ward of the court through signing up with an attorney, he is considered to be like one who is under age. His signing up with an attorney reduces his status from an adult, to that of a child who doesn't have any standing in court except what the court allows. Simply do a search https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=meaning+of+%27ward+of+the+court%27&ia=web, and think about what those sites are saying.

You can see this plainly if you go to https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ward. When you combine this info with the info in the PDF at https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf : “Wards of court. Infants and persons of unsound mind placed by the court under the care of a guardian. Davis Committee v. Loney, 290 Ky. 644, 162 S.W. 2d. 189, 190. Their rights must e guarded jealously. Montgomery v. Erie R. Co., C.C.A.N.J., 97 F, 2d 289, 292. See Guardianship,” and the fact that a client of an attorney is a ward of court, you can see that Trump has been reduced to someone who isn't capable of thinking correctly, and has become a ward regarding the court. He needs to fire his attorneys so that he can take back his standing in court.

The fact that Trump is on trial takes away from his time to campaign for the presidency. There are no two ways about this. So, the judges are part of the interference of his running for office, because the whole batch of trials are interfering with his ability to campaign properly.

You simply aren't a US person. So, you maybe don't see that US law means what it says, not what people in other countries think that it means. And, because this is so plainly simple, it shows that you need to go back to school - even Ukrainian school - unless you are simply a hired propagandist, that is.

[paxmao]

^^^ Powell is an attorney. She knows the law attorney-style, because that was the way she was trained. But attorney-ism is only one slice of the pie, and he judges understand this.

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (CJS) is the second major law encyclopedia in the US. It is rather public, and can be found in all law libraries of significance, and many regular libraries. Take a look at what you do when you hire an attorney to fight for you in a legal case - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

The essence of the several CJS court and legal sites shown at the above website is, when you become the client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. This means that you don't have any standing to do or say anything that the court doesn't want you to say... your attorneys are under the jurisdiction of the judge, who can disbar them if they don't obey his orders.. So, since Powell hired attorneys to represent her, she doesn't have the right to do anything other than what the court tells her to do.

It's as simple as that. And it is the same for Trump except for one thing. The judges and courts don't have any authority to interfere with a person running for the office of the Presidency. In Trump's case, the trial is a sham until after the 2024 elections, or after the end of his term if he wins. He knows it and they know it.

False, being a ward of the court does not mean anything like that. You are way out of your understanding of legal maters. You do have the right to say whatever you want when asked.

Judges are not interfering with Trump running for candidate, they are judging him for more than 50 felonies. It is such an stupid argument -  all any criminal would need to do is run for office and be free of being processed.

Children are not allowed to say anything substantial in court, except that the court allows them to. Why not? Because they are under age, and deemed to not have had enough experience in life to be able to speak in an appropriate way.

This means that when a person becomes a ward of the court through signing up with an attorney, he is considered to be like one who is under age...

You are not even trying to make sense do you? I am well aware what means for underage to be ward of court, but is absolutely irrelevant to Trumps case. That is just fucking hilarious, nobody has ever prevented him from speaking.

Look, I do not think you are an US citizen, you frequently link to foreign owned websites and you are doing everything you can to favour Ruzzia and China. You have such a shitload in your backpack to go around after years of shitposting that I wonder what kind of farm pays your bills for so long - it has to be big and well funded.

And well, I know you want me to say if I am or I am not an US citizen or who I am or where I am, but you have to do better. Much better.

[Hispo]

What are the actual chances of BADecker being a member of a troll farm funded by Russia? I mean, I am very aware that Russia lately has developed an inclination to bomb internet with their army of trolls, but I believe his account is older than when Russia started to heavily use their farms as a political strategy.
I think there are more possibilities of him just being a very conservative person from the United States with a very particual way of thinking...

Besides, I would not think some farms would be interested in participating in this forum, the usual social media like Twitter and YouTube are the usual targets of Russian trolls.

[BADecker]

People are starting to realize that Trump won't be convicted. Lots of info in the article.


Turley: Don't Count On A Trump Conviction - None Of These Cases Are Slam-Dunks


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/turley-dont-count-trump-conviction-none-these-cases-are-slam-dunks
Below is a longer version of my column in the New York Post on the leaking of the interviews of former counsel to Donald Trump.

The interviews could magnify the difficulties for both Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and Special Counsel Jack Smith in their respective prosecutions.  These cases still represent a serious threat to Trump, but these prosecutors must first overcome a glaring potential contradiction. That does not mean that Christie and the other candidates will not get a "Spring Break" with a conviction, but it could prove more challenging even with highly favorable jury pools.

Here is the column:

This week, Chris Christie declared that "it's over" for Donald Trump and predicted  that the former president would be a convicted felon "by the Spring." He was specifically referring to the prosecutions linked to the 2020 election denial in Atlanta and D.C.
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[paxmao]

People are starting to realize that Trump won't be convicted. Lots of info in the article.


Turley: Don't Count On A Trump Conviction - None Of These Cases Are Slam-Dunks


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/turley-dont-count-trump-conviction-none-these-cases-are-slam-dunks
Below is a longer version of my column in the New York Post on the leaking of the interviews of former counsel to Donald Trump.

The interviews could magnify the difficulties for both Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and Special Counsel Jack Smith in their respective prosecutions.  These cases still represent a serious threat to Trump, but these prosecutors must first overcome a glaring potential contradiction. That does not mean that Christie and the other candidates will not get a "Spring Break" with a conviction, but it could prove more challenging even with highly favorable jury pools.

Here is the column:

This week, Chris Christie declared that "it's over" for Donald Trump and predicted  that the former president would be a convicted felon "by the Spring." He was specifically referring to the prosecutions linked to the 2020 election denial in Atlanta and D.C.
[...]


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And here's another example of your selective reading.

I agree, the guy is likely to be a convict by spring and regardless of the opinion that the cases are not slam dunks, which they should never be, I also agree that they pose a strong threat to Trump, Trump's assets and Trumps empire of media.

It is not going to be challenging to convict him, the prosecution has been preparing for a long time, they have been meticulous in how the have put this case forward - of special interest how they have used the RICO.

[TwitchySeal]

People are starting to realize that Trump won't be convicted. Lots of info in the article.


Turley: Don't Count On A Trump Conviction - None Of These Cases Are Slam-Dunks


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/turley-dont-count-trump-conviction-none-these-cases-are-slam-dunks
Below is a longer version of my column in the New York Post on the leaking of the interviews of former counsel to Donald Trump.

The interviews could magnify the difficulties for both Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and Special Counsel Jack Smith in their respective prosecutions.  These cases still represent a serious threat to Trump, but these prosecutors must first overcome a glaring potential contradiction. That does not mean that Christie and the other candidates will not get a "Spring Break" with a conviction, but it could prove more challenging even with highly favorable jury pools.

Here is the column:

This week, Chris Christie declared that "it's over" for Donald Trump and predicted  that the former president would be a convicted felon "by the Spring." He was specifically referring to the prosecutions linked to the 2020 election denial in Atlanta and D.C.
[...]


...

And here's another example of your selective reading.

I agree, the guy is likely to be a convict by spring and regardless of the opinion that the cases are not slam dunks, which they should never be, I also agree that they pose a strong threat to Trump, Trump's assets and Trumps empire of media.

It is not going to be challenging to convict him, the prosecution has been preparing for a long time, they have been meticulous in how the have put this case forward - of special interest how they have used the RICO.

BADecker can embed garbage links three times per post, 5 times a day, but can't be bothered to read more than the headline...all about the seo.

[BADecker]

Actually, Americas is already much of a police state. Just try to stop paying income taxes easily. All that Trump would do is make America more of a police state.

Or look at the sham Trump trials that he is resisting using some of the police state authority already.

Trump's use of his police state would be good. But the Presidents who follow him would find ways of making it bad, and much more formally enslaving the people.


Brighteon Broadcast News, Nov 20, 2023 - Trump will be President in 2025...


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c
... and will transform America into a POLICE STATE after ANTIFA+JIHAD in America
...

[DooMAD]

All that Trump would do is make America more of a police state.

Or look at the sham Trump trials that he is resisting using some of the police state authority already.

Trump's use of his police state would be good.

Well, at least you're honest about the fact that you openly support Fascism.  Too many of your ilk try to hide it.  I appreciate your candour.  It's refreshing to see people stand by what they believe in (even if what they believe in is reprehensible).

Related:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_U4ZqQH3Q

[BADecker]

All that Trump would do is make America more of a police state.

Or look at the sham Trump trials that he is resisting using some of the police state authority already.

Trump's use of his police state would be good.

Well, at least you're honest about the fact that you openly support Fascism.  Too many of your ilk try to hide it.  I appreciate your candour.  It's refreshing to see people stand by what they believe in (even if what they believe in is reprehensible).

Related:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_U4ZqQH3Q

Lol. If you are a taxpayer, you support fascism. If you are a Dem supporter, you support its active operation through the Biden team, way more than Trump has ever. Corruption is so deep in the US Government, that all the things that Trump says in your video, have to be done to stop fascism.

Again, the danger is that, if at the end of his next term as President, Trump doesn't find a method to lock in a repeal of all the things that he has to put in place to stop fascism, the following president could do worse than anything that the Biden team is doing.


Consider that the US Government was originally set in place as a Democracy, but that people were over the Government as a Republic. When the time comes, the people will assert their Republic qualities, and take down the Democracy as necessary. Trump is simply trying to make it easier on the people.

[TwitchySeal]

People are starting to realize that the maga movement is Facism for idiots. Lots of info in the article (it's a few months old).

Click the links.  Then click more links.  Then go back and click again.  Click click click.

Trump Is an Extremely Dumb Fascist


https://newrepublic.com/post/174706/indictment-trump-complete-fascist
The latest criminal indictment highlights his idiocy—but also the threat he still poses to American democracy.

In a democratic society, the law is the most efficient means by which to arrest fascism. This is why Trump faces indictments. It’s the surest way to stop him. Smart fascists know this, and they either stay within the law or, perhaps paradoxically, violate it so flagrantly that they end up redefining what “the law” even is. Fortunately for us, Trump is a dumb fascist, and his ignorance may prove to be his Achilles’ heel. We also—again fortunately—have a system and set of laws and traditions that are stronger than those of, say, Weimar Germany, so Trump hasn’t yet been able to pollute them, although if he is reelected, he certainly will.
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All that Trump would do is make America more of a police state.

Or look at the sham Trump trials that he is resisting using some of the police state authority already.

Trump's use of his police state would be good.

Well, at least you're honest about the fact that you openly support Fascism.  Too many of your ilk try to hide it.  I appreciate your candour.  It's refreshing to see people stand by what they believe in (even if what they believe in is reprehensible).

Related:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_U4ZqQH3Q

Oh he's gone even further:

Stalin and Hitler might have gone about it in the wrong way, but their idea to get rid of the Jewish bankers was the right idea.

[BADecker]

^^^ You jokers are so humorous. You suggest that Trump isn't any good, because he might introduce fascism. And you completely ignore the fact that Biden and his team have introduced fascism the likes of which has never been see in history. You ignore, but claim ignorance. And you are right. Ignorance is what you do... Ignoring what's going on with the idea that it might go on someday.

[Hispo]

Is even the United States of America capable of harboring a facist government like so many people suggest it could happen if Trump comes back into the White House?
Because in order for something like that to happen, it would require the presidency to have access to power which does not regularly has, in countries where power in centralized in the executive branch it is something easier to imagine, but in USA an executive order by the president can in theory be overturned by a federal judge. Similar to what happened when Trump banned flights from several muslin majority countries and it was deemed against the constitution.
How would be even possible for Trump to centralized power in such a context.?

[DooMAD]

Is even the United States of America capable of harboring a facist government like so many people suggest it could happen if Trump comes back into the White House?
Because in order for something like that to happen, it would require the presidency to have access to power which does not regularly has, in countries where power in centralized in the executive branch it is something easier to imagine, but in USA an executive order by the president can in theory be overturned by a federal judge.

Trump called for the execution of one of his own military personnel.  If someone goes ahead and kills the guy, because it's what their "messiah" wanted, I don't think a judge can undo that.  Legal and federal safety nets can only go so far.  Never underestimate what tyrants can achieve outside of the law.

[TwitchySeal]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
Professor Peter Simi. Professor Simi has a Ph.D. in Sociology, teaches at Chapman
University, and has spent his 27-year career focused on political violence and
extremism. 10/31/23 Tr. 11:15–12:12. He has written two books on political violence and
extremism—American Swastika and Out of Hiding—and published over sixty peerreviewed articles or book chapters on different facets of political violence and
extremism. 10/31/23 Tr. 21:15–23:2. He has provided training on political extremism
and violence to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security,
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the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the Department of Justice, and several state and local law
enforcement agencies across the country. 10/31/23 Tr. 23:20–24:6.
62. Professor Simi reviewed Trump’s relationship with his supporters over the
years, identified a pattern of calls for violence that his supporters responded to, and
explained how that long experience allowed Trump to know how his supporters
responded to his calls for violence using a shared language that allowed him to maintain
plausible deniability with the wider public. 10/31/23 Tr. 56:23–59:17, 200:22–203:12.
63. Trump himself agrees that his supporters “listen to [him] like no one else.”
Ex. 134. Amy Kremer also testified that Trump’s supporters are “very reactive” to his
words. 11/02/2023 Tr. 49:4–6.
64. Professor Simi testified about the following examples of patterns of calland-response that Trump developed and used to incite violence by his supporters.
65. At an October 23, 2015 rally, Trump said to his supporters in response to
protestors disrupting the rally, “See, the first group, I was nice . . . The second group, I
was pretty nice. The third group, I’ll be a little more violent. And the fourth group I’ll
say, ‘Get the hell outta here!’” Ex. 127.
66. The next month, Trump used this very language, telling his supporters to
“get [a protester] the hell out of here” and the protester was then assaulted. When asked
about the attack the next day, Trump said “maybe [the protester] should have been
roughed up.” Ex. 50; 10/31/2023 Tr. 70:1–4, 71:13-72:1, 235:3–10.
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67. At a February 2016 rally, Trump told his supporters to “knock the crap out
of” any protesters who threw tomatoes and promised to pay the legal fees of anyone
carrying out the assault. Ex. 51; 10/31/2023 Tr. 213:14–25.
68. At another February 2016 rally, Trump told his supporters that, in the “old
days” a protester would be “carried out on a stretcher,” and that he would like to “punch
him in the face.” Ex. 52; 10/31/2023 Tr. 214:6–25.
69. When asked about his supporters’ violent acts in March 2016, Trump said
the violence was “very, very appropriate” and that “we need a little bit more of” it. Ex.
53; 10/31/2023 Tr. 67:6–25.
70. At an August 2016 rally, Trump noted “Second Amendment people” might
be able to prevent Hillary Clinton (if elected President) and judges appointed by her
from interpreting the Constitution in unfavorable ways. Ex. 159.
71. In August 2017, when asked about the white supremacist Unite the Right
rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a counter-protester was murdered, Trump stated
there “was blame on both sides . . . some very fine people on both sides.” Ex. 56;
10/31/2023 Tr. 68:12–20.
72. Far-right extremists, including David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Andrew
Anglin, thanked Trump for his comments and took them as an endorsement,
notwithstanding Trump’s condemnation of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in the
same speech. Professor Simi testified that the latter statement would be understood as
plausible deniability. 10/31/2023 Tr. 68:21–69:16, 74:18–75:9, 166:9–20, 226:11–
227:7.
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73. At an October 2018 rally, Trump referred to a candidate who body
slammed a reporter as “my kind of guy.” Ex. 57; 10/31/2023 Tr. 215:22–216:5.
74. At a May 2019 rally, when one of his supporters suggested shooting
migrants, Trump stated: “That’s only in the panhandle you can get away with that
statement.” The crowd cheered. Ex. 58.
75. In a May 2020 tweet referring to an armed occupation of the Michigan
State Capitol by anti-government extremists, Trump tweeted that the attackers were
“very good people,” and that the Michigan Governor should respond by appeasing them.
Ex. 148, p. 3.
76. On May 29, 2020, President Trump threatened to deploy “the Military” to
Minneapolis to shoot “looters” amid protests over the police killing of George Floyd,
tweeting “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Ex. 148, p. 5.
77. During a presidential debate on September 29, 2020, Trump refused to
denounce white supremacists and violent extremists and instead told the Proud Boys to
“stand back and stand by,” later adding that “somebody’s got to do something about
Antifa and the left.” Ex. 1064. 13
78. Trump’s words “stand back and stand by” were well received and
considered an endorsement. In fact, the Proud Boys turned the phrase into a mantra
13 The Court acknowledges that the statement occurred during a debate, when the moderator
had asked Trump to ask white nationalists and militias to “stand down,” and further that
President Biden called on Trump to disavow the Proud Boys, specifically. Nevertheless, Trump’s
conduct is consistent with the pattern identified by Professor Simi in that an apparent disavowal
(though the Court notes that “stand back and stand by” does not carry the same meaning as
“stand down”) was immediately qualified by an apparent endorsement (i.e. that somebody has
“got to do something.”).
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and put it on merchandise. 10/31/2023 Tr. 77:13–21. The Proud Boys and other
extremists understood this as a directive to be prepared for future violence. 10/31/2023
Tr. 78:21–23.
79. Trump also regularly endorsed and cultivated relationships with
incendiary figures connected with far-right extremists, including Alex Jones, Steve
Bannon, and Roger Stone. 10/31/2023 Tr. 57:8-10, 199:23-200:4, 222:21-225:2.
Katrina Pierson, a senior advisor to the Trump campaign who helped to organize the
Ellipse rally, testified that Trump “likes the crazies” (referring to individuals like
Alexander and Jones, whose speeches are often “incendiary” and “inflammatory”) “who
viciously defend him in public.” 11/01/23 Tr. 287:2–12, 299:4–16; see also 11/02/23 Tr.
57:15–58:3 (Amy Kremer calling Jones and Alexander “flamethrowers” and “agitators”
who “want to get everybody riled up”).
80. Trump retained Bannon and Stone as advisers, two individuals with very
close relationships with far-right extremists. 10/31/2023 Tr. 199:23–200:8, 222:21–23,
224:2–13. Though Trump did fire Bannon, he would eventually issue a presidential
pardon to him. 10/31/2023 Tr. 223:1–3. Regardless, the Court finds that Trump had
courted these fringe figures for many years through activities such as endorsing far-right
conspiracy theories like birtherism. 10/31/2023 Tr. 56:23–57:15.
81. On October 30, 2020, a convoy of Trump supporters driving dozens of
trucks (calling themselves a “Trump Train”) surrounded a Biden-Harris campaign bus
on a Texas highway. On October 31st, Trump tweeted a stylized video of the Trump
Train confrontation and stated, “I LOVE TEXAS!” Exs. 71; 148, p. 8.
31
82. On November 1, 2020, in response to news that the FBI was investigating
the incident, Trump tweeted, “In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong” and
indicated they should not be investigated. Ex. 148, p. 9. Later that day at a rally in
Michigan, Trump again celebrated the incident boasting “they had hundreds of cars,
Trump, Trump. Trump and the American flag.” Ex. 67.
83. At no point did Trump ever credibly condemn violence by his supporters
but rather confirmed his supporters’ violent interpretations of his directives. Professor
Simi testified that through these repeated interactions, Trump developed and employed
a coded language based in doublespeak that was understood between himself and farright extremists, while maintaining a claim to ambiguity among a wider audience.
10/31/2023 Tr. 53:2–54:12, 65:20–66:20, 76:9–23, 211:13–218:24.
84. For example, violent far-right extremists understood that Trump’s calls to
“fight,” which most politicians would mean only symbolically, were, when spoken by
Trump, literal calls to violence by these groups, while Trump’s statements negating that
sentiment were insincere and existed to obfuscate and create plausible deniability.
10/31/2023 Tr. 49:14–21, 59:7–17, 101:20–102:6.
85. The Court finds that Trump knew his violent supporters understood his
statements this way, and Trump knew he could influence his supporters to act violently
on his behalf. 10/31/2023 Tr. 126:11–19, 221:10–21.
86. The Court notes that Trump did not put forth any credible evidence or
expert testimony to rebut Professor Simi’s conclusions or to rebut the argument that
Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

[paxmao]

^^^ You jokers are so humorous. You suggest that Trump isn't any good, because he might introduce fascism. And you completely ignore the fact that Biden and his team have introduced fascism the likes of which has never been see in history. You ignore, but claim ignorance. And you are right. Ignorance is what you do... Ignoring what's going on with the idea that it might go on someday.

I am not saying that he would introduce fascism, I am saying that he has already tried to do so and is getting ready to make sure nothing gets in his way next time he tries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/16/politics/trump-agenda-second-term/index.html

A purge of the federal workforce of anyone deemed disloyal.

Wielding the power of federal law enforcement against political enemies.

As he seeks a return to the Oval Office, former President Donald Trump and his allies have promised a sweeping transformation of the federal government that would wield the executive branch’s power in radical and unprecedented ways.

His first term took him by surprise, now and on the ground of him being elected, is going to run over all the check and balances that prevent him being and absolute dictator. Replacing any Civil servant that tries to actually do their job instead of breaking the laws when Trump says to is a known plan:

Trump’s plan includes asserting more White House control over the Justice Department, an institution the former president has said he would utilize to seek revenge on his critics, including former allies.

“I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family,”

“A lot of the relevant constraints have been norms and not rules. Those norms were enforced not by litigation, those norms were enforced politically. The reality of a second Trump administration is going to be a lot of novel litigation about these kinds of abuses of what were historically norms constraining the executive.”

But this is the key:

Part of Trump’s plans would reclassify tens of thousands of civil service workers — who typically remain on the job as presidents and their administrations change — as at-will employees, a move that would make it much easier to fire them.

The more or less permanent status of the Civil Servants is something that happens in most civilized countries. These norms are there for a reason, particularly those that protect the judiciary. A democracy is not based just in electing the people who represent the country, it includes also individual liberties and right that require at least three independent powers to balance and avoid fascism. Trump is clearly committed to demolish it.

Remember that Hitler was elected... he used democracy to destroy democracy.

[TwitchySeal]

Remember that Hitler was elected... he used democracy to destroy democracy.

Yes but not until after going to prison for a failed coup attempt.

[Hispo]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
[-snip-]


Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

Read about it tonight and I seems both those lawyers/prosecutors seeking to keep Trump out the ballot will try to appeal, so he will ended stay out the ballot in that State, during the election next year. On the other hand, I have also read Trump's legal team has tried to appeal to this ruling, in the base they do not want this judge to effectively setting a precedent of Trump being legally a participant in an insurrection within the United States,  if they do an exception to the presidency, then it would be a very dangerous precedent to keep for the amendment. After all, those who rise to power are the one who try to stay in power by getting rid of democracy, there has been several instances of it happening through history.

Ironically, I could foresee that excluding Trump from the ballot in states he did not have a chance of winning anyways, will only encourage his supporters to vote in flipping states and increase his popularity, in a similar way to what happened with indictments.

[paxmao]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
[-snip-]


Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

Read about it tonight and I seems both those lawyers/prosecutors seeking to keep Trump out the ballot will try to appeal, so he will ended stay out the ballot in that State, during the election next year. On the other hand, I have also read Trump's legal team has tried to appeal to this ruling, in the base they do not want this judge to effectively setting a precedent of Trump being legally a participant in an insurrection within the United States,  if they do an exception to the presidency, then it would be a very dangerous precedent to keep for the amendment. After all, those who rise to power are the one who try to stay in power by getting rid of democracy, there has been several instances of it happening through history.

Ironically, I could foresee that excluding Trump from the ballot in states he did not have a chance of winning anyways, will only encourage his supporters to vote in flipping states and increase his popularity, in a similar way to what happened with indictments.

I read about the several challenges that have been put forward in several states. Judges are trying to avoid anything that looks like interfering with politics. Some of the arguments are really funny on why Trump can stay in the ballot, really creative like "The president is not an official of the Goverment" or other semantics.

However, what is possibly the most interesting and honest is the court that said: "He can be in the Primaries because that is internal to the party", however the court said that if he is the candidate chosen, then the case can be presented. All the cases have been appealed.

Most judges tend to look at all these matters as a political matter. In my view it is not from the moment that several felonies are proven right - then is a matter of justice.

[TwitchySeal]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
[-snip-]


Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

Read about it tonight and I seems both those lawyers/prosecutors seeking to keep Trump out the ballot will try to appeal, so he will ended stay out the ballot in that State, during the election next year. On the other hand, I have also read Trump's legal team has tried to appeal to this ruling, in the base they do not want this judge to effectively setting a precedent of Trump being legally a participant in an insurrection within the United States,  if they do an exception to the presidency, then it would be a very dangerous precedent to keep for the amendment. After all, those who rise to power are the one who try to stay in power by getting rid of democracy, there has been several instances of it happening through history.

Ironically, I could foresee that excluding Trump from the ballot in states he did not have a chance of winning anyways, will only encourage his supporters to vote in flipping states and increase his popularity, in a similar way to what happened with indictments.

I read about the several challenges that have been put forward in several states. Judges are trying to avoid anything that looks like interfering with politics. Some of the arguments are really funny on why Trump can stay in the ballot, really creative like "The president is not an official of the Goverment" or other semantics.

However, what is possibly the most interesting and honest is the court that said: "He can be in the Primaries because that is internal to the party", however the court said that if he is the candidate chosen, then the case can be presented. All the cases have been appealed.

Most judges tend to look at all these matters as a political matter. In my view it is not from the moment that several felonies are proven right - then is a matter of justice.

I don't see how this case doesn't end up at the supreme court.

[Hispo]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
[-snip-]


Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

Read about it tonight and I seems both those lawyers/prosecutors seeking to keep Trump out the ballot will try to appeal, so he will ended stay out the ballot in that State, during the election next year. On the other hand, I have also read Trump's legal team has tried to appeal to this ruling, in the base they do not want this judge to effectively setting a precedent of Trump being legally a participant in an insurrection within the United States,  if they do an exception to the presidency, then it would be a very dangerous precedent to keep for the amendment. After all, those who rise to power are the one who try to stay in power by getting rid of democracy, there has been several instances of it happening through history.

Ironically, I could foresee that excluding Trump from the ballot in states he did not have a chance of winning anyways, will only encourage his supporters to vote in flipping states and increase his popularity, in a similar way to what happened with indictments.

I read about the several challenges that have been put forward in several states. Judges are trying to avoid anything that looks like interfering with politics. Some of the arguments are really funny on why Trump can stay in the ballot, really creative like "The president is not an official of the Goverment" or other semantics.

However, what is possibly the most interesting and honest is the court that said: "He can be in the Primaries because that is internal to the party", however the court said that if he is the candidate chosen, then the case can be presented. All the cases have been appealed.

Most judges tend to look at all these matters as a political matter. In my view it is not from the moment that several felonies are proven right - then is a matter of justice.

I don't see how this case doesn't end up at the supreme court.

It will eventually, I guess.
And when it does it is probable those within the supreme court will rule in Favor of Trump, allowing him to stay in the ballot in those states where his participation is being disputed. Though, as I said, It may not matter whether he stays or not in the ballot in states where he won't have much chances of winning anyways.

The members of the supreme court could argue that excluding Trump would be a point of no return for American Democracy and the decision could lead to civil unrest amount the civilian population. January 6th has set a clear precendet for such argument.
On the other hand, it may be about avoiding to push the case to the supreme court, so if it stays in a local court, those procecuting Trump will have more chances to keep him out of the ballot.

[paxmao]

From the recent ruling where a federal judge found that Trump did participate in insurrection, but should not be removed from the ballot:

TRUMP’S HISTORY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS
61. As noted above, Petitioners called an expert in political extremism,
[-snip-]


Trump intended to incite violence.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf
(page 26 on)

Read about it tonight and I seems both those lawyers/prosecutors seeking to keep Trump out the ballot will try to appeal, so he will ended stay out the ballot in that State, during the election next year. On the other hand, I have also read Trump's legal team has tried to appeal to this ruling, in the base they do not want this judge to effectively setting a precedent of Trump being legally a participant in an insurrection within the United States,  if they do an exception to the presidency, then it would be a very dangerous precedent to keep for the amendment. After all, those who rise to power are the one who try to stay in power by getting rid of democracy, there has been several instances of it happening through history.

Ironically, I could foresee that excluding Trump from the ballot in states he did not have a chance of winning anyways, will only encourage his supporters to vote in flipping states and increase his popularity, in a similar way to what happened with indictments.

I read about the several challenges that have been put forward in several states. Judges are trying to avoid anything that looks like interfering with politics. Some of the arguments are really funny on why Trump can stay in the ballot, really creative like "The president is not an official of the Goverment" or other semantics.

However, what is possibly the most interesting and honest is the court that said: "He can be in the Primaries because that is internal to the party", however the court said that if he is the candidate chosen, then the case can be presented. All the cases have been appealed.

Most judges tend to look at all these matters as a political matter. In my view it is not from the moment that several felonies are proven right - then is a matter of justice.

I don't see how this case doesn't end up at the supreme court.

It will eventually, I guess.
And when it does it is probable those within the supreme court will rule in Favor of Trump, allowing him to stay in the ballot in those states where his participation is being disputed. Though, as I said, It may not matter whether he stays or not in the ballot in states where he won't have much chances of winning anyways.

The members of the supreme court could argue that excluding Trump would be a point of no return for American Democracy and the decision could lead to civil unrest amount the civilian population. January 6th has set a clear precendet for such argument.
On the other hand, it may be about avoiding to push the case to the supreme court, so if it stays in a local court, those procecuting Trump will have more chances to keep him out of the ballot.

Well, what would be a point of no return is recognising a hostile takeover of the Capitol and death threats as an acceptable event in political life. The judges will have to be very creative in their arguments on why the President not only did absolutely nothing to defend a constitutional process, but practically encouraged an angry mob to stop it.

There are many arguments the judges may put forward, but what I think they will not do is to take a certain decision "because if not people would be angry". That is like accepting that an angry mob is above the law and the government can be decided by how violent they get.

It will end up in the Supreme Court, with many Trump appointees I assume.

[BADecker]

Trump... possibly the best President we had. Way, way better than the warmongering Biden team... or any of the other Dems, for that matter.

That's why they focus their trials on his personal life. He was saving the country as President. Hope we get him back for a second term.

[paxmao]

Trump... possibly the best President we had. Way, way better than the warmongering Biden team... or any of the other Dems, for that matter.

That's why they focus their trials on his personal life. He was saving the country as President. Hope we get him back for a second term.

The focus of the trial is not his personal life, the focus are more than 40 felonies which include a conspiracy to overtake the government of the US, trial under the RICO laws, which specifically target organised crime and collective conspiracies.

His personal life is a disaster, but that is not a problem being judged. Unless you consider his personal life the fact that he committed fraud by stating false values to the asset he owns in order to provide the banks with fake values to get credits.

[BADecker]

Trump... possibly the best President we had. Way, way better than the warmongering Biden team... or any of the other Dems, for that matter.

That's why they focus their trials on his personal life. He was saving the country as President. Hope we get him back for a second term.

The focus of the trial is not his personal life, the focus are more than 40 felonies which include a conspiracy to overtake the government of the US, trial under the RICO laws, which specifically target organised crime and collective conspiracies.

His personal life is a disaster, but that is not a problem being judged. Unless you consider his personal life the fact that he committed fraud by stating false values to the asset he owns in order to provide the banks with fake values to get credits.

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Here is how You build America up MAGA. You increase import taxes on all imports, especially the important ones, and you decrease or eliminate export taxes. This gives Americans back their jobs, and gets rid of a lot of foreign crap off the market. But the government still gets their money from the tax on imports that still come in.

A second way is to stop sending money to other countries. This cuts down on inflation. How? When you borrow money from the Federal Reserve Bank like Biden has been doing, it is really a creation of new money. If there is more money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. This is what inflation is. Trump didn't do this very much. And what he did is like a drop in a bucket compared to the amount that Biden has done it.

On top of it all, when the Biden team and the Dems steal a Presidential election - as they did 2020 - there is the fraudulent, criminal activity more than Trump could ever think of doing. How do we know that they stole the 2020 election? One simple way. They won't release the voting info in a transparent fashion. The second way we know it is that people who vigorously question the voting legality, are plagued with prosecution just for asking. Trump and his team are the best example of this. The third way is that the January 6 prosecutions and sentences are almost as good of an example, because most of the J6 people got sentences for doing nothing wrong. Some of them weren't even at the Capitol or in D.C. at the time.


As far as valuations of Trumps personal property, he did nothing wrong. How do we know? Because the banks and other businesses that accepted his valuations, didn't complain about the valuations. They simply accepted them.

Another way we know is simply this. Your property is your property. Because it is yours, you can value it in any amount you want. What if you have a keepsake that I wouldn't buy for even $1, and the courts would value it at ten cents. But because of emotional value for you, you wouldn't sell it for $1,000. If it's your property, you are the one who places the value on it.

When somebody else values Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

[o48o]

In comparidon, SBF's trial is now over, and he was found guilty on seven counts of wire fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering and is facing up to 110 years in prison.

Trump charged with several felony counts, and if he is found guilty of them all (as he most likely is most of them), i am wondering what's is he facing, and why his fans think he is untouchable? Do they think that we are in uncharted waters just because he used to eat burgers in white house?

[TwitchySeal]

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

But...your list is garbage...

You really think this should count as 10 accomplishments?

* Manufacturing jobs are growing at the fastest rate in more than 30 years.
* Stock Market has reached record highs.
* Median household income has hit the highest level ever recorded.
* African-American unemployment is at an all-time low.
* Hispanic-American unemployment is at an all-time low.
* Asian-American unemployment is at an all-time low.
* Women’s unemployment rate is at a 65-year low.
* Youth unemployment is at a 50-year low.
* We have the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded.
* The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.

If so, shouldn't this be in Bidens list, not Trumps?

You wrote that in Sept. 2020, when unemployment was at 7.9% overall. adult men (7.4
percent), adult women (7.7 percent), Whites (7.0 percent), Asians (8.9 percent),
teenagers (15.9 percent), Blacks (12.1 percent), and Hispanics (10.3 percent)

That's not even close to all time low.  It was never at all time low.

Biden is president now, and as of Q3 2023 unemployment was at 3.8%, Whites (3.1 percent) adult men (3.4 percent), adult women (3.1 percent), teenagers (11.0 percent), Blacks (6.0 percent), Asians (3.2 percent), and Hispanics (4.3 percent)

in other words, if you replaced Trumps name with Biden, you would be much closer to the truth
silly BADecker

But seeing as you really care about unemployment rates and consider them a reflection of the current president, surely you will rethink your outlook.

[paxmao]

Trump... possibly the best President we had. Way, way better than the warmongering Biden team... or any of the other Dems, for that matter.

That's why they focus their trials on his personal life. He was saving the country as President. Hope we get him back for a second term.

The focus of the trial is not his personal life, the focus are more than 40 felonies which include a conspiracy to overtake the government of the US, trial under the RICO laws, which specifically target organised crime and collective conspiracies.

His personal life is a disaster, but that is not a problem being judged. Unless you consider his personal life the fact that he committed fraud by stating false values to the asset he owns in order to provide the banks with fake values to get credits.

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Here is how You build America up MAGA. You increase import taxes on all imports, especially the important ones, and you decrease or eliminate export taxes. This gives Americans back their jobs, and gets rid of a lot of foreign crap off the market. But the government still gets their money from the tax on imports that still come in.

A second way is to stop sending money to other countries. This cuts down on inflation. How? When you borrow money from the Federal Reserve Bank like Biden has been doing, it is really a creation of new money. If there is more money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. This is what inflation is. Trump didn't do this very much. And what he did is like a drop in a bucket compared to the amount that Biden has done it.

On top of it all, when the Biden team and the Dems steal a Presidential election - as they did 2020 - there is the fraudulent, criminal activity more than Trump could ever think of doing. How do we know that they stole the 2020 election? One simple way. They won't release the voting info in a transparent fashion. The second way we know it is that people who vigorously question the voting legality, are plagued with prosecution just for asking. Trump and his team are the best example of this. The third way is that the January 6 prosecutions and sentences are almost as good of an example, because most of the J6 people got sentences for doing nothing wrong. Some of them weren't even at the Capitol or in D.C. at the time.


As far as valuations of Trumps personal property, he did nothing wrong. How do we know? Because the banks and other businesses that accepted his valuations, didn't complain about the valuations. They simply accepted them.

Another way we know is simply this. Your property is your property. Because it is yours, you can value it in any amount you want. What if you have a keepsake that I wouldn't buy for even $1, and the courts would value it at ten cents. But because of emotional value for you, you wouldn't sell it for $1,000. If it's your property, you are the one who places the value on it.

When somebody else values Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

Incredible...

There is something you continuously fail to understand: Being elected President does not grant you unlimited powers, is exactly the contrary, you power is strongly restricted.

- No, as president you should not "take control of the government" beyond your constitutional functions. e.g. replacing general attorneys and the like. And you certainly do not get to self-extend your mandate just because you think you won.

- The democrats won the election. There is no proof of illegal wrongdoing. If there is, you present it to the press, the judges, etc ... but that did not happen, because there isn't.

- Sending money to other countries removes it from your economy, thus may reduce inflation, but I do not think that matters much.

- You can brag about the price of your properties in the golf club, but real state has an objective evaluation when you go to the bank to ask for a credit. If you say it is double it is fraud. This is not about "the price you'd sell it for, it is the market valuation (dude, capitalism 101).

- We do know because he is stupid enough to lie in written, in official accounting documents, right below where it says "All the information provided is true, I understand that if not I may be committing fraud".

If you have any sensible argument this is a good moment to express it. Otherwise, do a favour to this forum and stop blurting shit.

I am not upset at Trump, I fear that if what he does is Ok, the US is no longer the government of the people, but of the mobs.

Re your accusation of me being a criminal, I request you to present any evidence or remove the insults. You will get a reputation thread on that one.

[BADecker]

~

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Here is how You build America up MAGA. You increase import taxes on all imports, especially the important ones, and you decrease or eliminate export taxes. This gives Americans back their jobs, and gets rid of a lot of foreign crap off the market. But the government still gets their money from the tax on imports that still come in.

A second way is to stop sending money to other countries. This cuts down on inflation. How? When you borrow money from the Federal Reserve Bank like Biden has been doing, it is really a creation of new money. If there is more money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. This is what inflation is. Trump didn't do this very much. And what he did is like a drop in a bucket compared to the amount that Biden has done it.

On top of it all, when the Biden team and the Dems steal a Presidential election - as they did 2020 - there is the fraudulent, criminal activity more than Trump could ever think of doing. How do we know that they stole the 2020 election? One simple way. They won't release the voting info in a transparent fashion. The second way we know it is that people who vigorously question the voting legality, are plagued with prosecution just for asking. Trump and his team are the best example of this. The third way is that the January 6 prosecutions and sentences are almost as good of an example, because most of the J6 people got sentences for doing nothing wrong. Some of them weren't even at the Capitol or in D.C. at the time.


As far as valuations of Trumps personal property, he did nothing wrong. How do we know? Because the banks and other businesses that accepted his valuations, didn't complain about the valuations. They simply accepted them.

Another way we know is simply this. Your property is your property. Because it is yours, you can value it in any amount you want. What if you have a keepsake that I wouldn't buy for even $1, and the courts would value it at ten cents. But because of emotional value for you, you wouldn't sell it for $1,000. If it's your property, you are the one who places the value on it.

When somebody else values Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

Incredible...

There is something you continuously fail to understand: Being elected President does not grant you unlimited powers, is exactly the contrary, you power is strongly restricted.

- No, as president you should not "take control of the government" beyond your constitutional functions. e.g. replacing general attorneys and the like. And you certainly do not get to self-extend your mandate just because you think you won.

- The democrats won the election. There is no proof of illegal wrongdoing. If there is, you present it to the press, the judges, etc ... but that did not happen, because there isn't.

- Sending money to other countries removes it from your economy, thus may reduce inflation, but I do not think that matters much.

- You can brag about the price of your properties in the golf club, but real state has an objective evaluation when you go to the bank to ask for a credit. If you say it is double it is fraud. This is not about "the price you'd sell it for, it is the market valuation (dude, capitalism 101).

- We do know because he is stupid enough to lie in written, in official accounting documents, right below where it says "All the information provided is true, I understand that if not I may be committing fraud".

If you have any sensible argument this is a good moment to express it. Otherwise, do a favour to this forum and stop blurting shit.

I am not upset at Trump, I fear that if what he does is Ok, the US is no longer the government of the people, but of the mobs.

Re your accusation of me being a criminal, I request you to present any evidence or remove the insults. You will get a reputation thread on that one.

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

[Hispo]

~

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Here is how You build America up MAGA. You increase import taxes on all imports, especially the important ones, and you decrease or eliminate export taxes. This gives Americans back their jobs, and gets rid of a lot of foreign crap off the market. But the government still gets their money from the tax on imports that still come in.

A second way is to stop sending money to other countries. This cuts down on inflation. How? When you borrow money from the Federal Reserve Bank like Biden has been doing, it is really a creation of new money. If there is more money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. This is what inflation is. Trump didn't do this very much. And what he did is like a drop in a bucket compared to the amount that Biden has done it.

On top of it all, when the Biden team and the Dems steal a Presidential election - as they did 2020 - there is the fraudulent, criminal activity more than Trump could ever think of doing. How do we know that they stole the 2020 election? One simple way. They won't release the voting info in a transparent fashion. The second way we know it is that people who vigorously question the voting legality, are plagued with prosecution just for asking. Trump and his team are the best example of this. The third way is that the January 6 prosecutions and sentences are almost as good of an example, because most of the J6 people got sentences for doing nothing wrong. Some of them weren't even at the Capitol or in D.C. at the time.


As far as valuations of Trumps personal property, he did nothing wrong. How do we know? Because the banks and other businesses that accepted his valuations, didn't complain about the valuations. They simply accepted them.

Another way we know is simply this. Your property is your property. Because it is yours, you can value it in any amount you want. What if you have a keepsake that I wouldn't buy for even $1, and the courts would value it at ten cents. But because of emotional value for you, you wouldn't sell it for $1,000. If it's your property, you are the one who places the value on it.

When somebody else values Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

Incredible...

There is something you continuously fail to understand: Being elected President does not grant you unlimited powers, is exactly the contrary, you power is strongly restricted.

- No, as president you should not "take control of the government" beyond your constitutional functions. e.g. replacing general attorneys and the like. And you certainly do not get to self-extend your mandate just because you think you won.

- The democrats won the election. There is no proof of illegal wrongdoing. If there is, you present it to the press, the judges, etc ... but that did not happen, because there isn't.

- Sending money to other countries removes it from your economy, thus may reduce inflation, but I do not think that matters much.

- You can brag about the price of your properties in the golf club, but real state has an objective evaluation when you go to the bank to ask for a credit. If you say it is double it is fraud. This is not about "the price you'd sell it for, it is the market valuation (dude, capitalism 101).

- We do know because he is stupid enough to lie in written, in official accounting documents, right below where it says "All the information provided is true, I understand that if not I may be committing fraud".

If you have any sensible argument this is a good moment to express it. Otherwise, do a favour to this forum and stop blurting shit.

I am not upset at Trump, I fear that if what he does is Ok, the US is no longer the government of the people, but of the mobs.

Re your accusation of me being a criminal, I request you to present any evidence or remove the insults. You will get a reputation thread on that one.

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

But how does exactly moving to a different country from the United States prevent one to steal or participate in stealing the population of the United States? I don't understand it, to be honest. Because we could argue and even agree that those in power of what happens to money and economical aids are those in political positions, while the common citizen only is supposed to pay for taxes, regardless of their polítical ideas or their standing in the conflict of Ukraine.
How come the common people living in USA have anything to do with robbing themselves?

[BADecker]

~

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

But how does exactly moving to a different country from the United States prevent one to steal or participate in stealing the population of the United States? I don't understand it, to be honest. Because we could argue and even agree that those in power of what happens to money and economical aids are those in political positions, while the common citizen only is supposed to pay for taxes, regardless of their polítical ideas or their standing in the conflict of Ukraine.
How come the common people living in USA have anything to do with robbing themselves?

Let me say one thing. The people of America are NOT supposed to pay IRS taxes. It's a Constitution and Amendment thing. The people are forced into it by their ignorance. In brief, here is how it works:

The people unwittingly, freely and ignorantly make an agreement to pay the IRS taxes. The only law requiring them to pay is their agreement under the Constitutional right to contract. Government, the IRS, and the banking system, attempt to hide this fact from the people, because they are making money off the people. If the people knew that their taxes exist by their free agreement, and if they knew what that agreement was, most of them wouldn't make that kind of agreement.


Until you understand simple things like this, most of the things in the US government and law will not be understood.

[paxmao]

~

If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about? Take a look at Biden and his team, how they have pushed the American people into poverty through inflation, brought about by borrowing money from the banking system and giving it to Ukraine, Israel, and even China, covertly... by taking over the government. Trump never did this. Rather, he built up America in the many ways that I have been showing everybody - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Here is how You build America up MAGA. You increase import taxes on all imports, especially the important ones, and you decrease or eliminate export taxes. This gives Americans back their jobs, and gets rid of a lot of foreign crap off the market. But the government still gets their money from the tax on imports that still come in.

A second way is to stop sending money to other countries. This cuts down on inflation. How? When you borrow money from the Federal Reserve Bank like Biden has been doing, it is really a creation of new money. If there is more money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. This is what inflation is. Trump didn't do this very much. And what he did is like a drop in a bucket compared to the amount that Biden has done it.

On top of it all, when the Biden team and the Dems steal a Presidential election - as they did 2020 - there is the fraudulent, criminal activity more than Trump could ever think of doing. How do we know that they stole the 2020 election? One simple way. They won't release the voting info in a transparent fashion. The second way we know it is that people who vigorously question the voting legality, are plagued with prosecution just for asking. Trump and his team are the best example of this. The third way is that the January 6 prosecutions and sentences are almost as good of an example, because most of the J6 people got sentences for doing nothing wrong. Some of them weren't even at the Capitol or in D.C. at the time.


As far as valuations of Trumps personal property, he did nothing wrong. How do we know? Because the banks and other businesses that accepted his valuations, didn't complain about the valuations. They simply accepted them.

Another way we know is simply this. Your property is your property. Because it is yours, you can value it in any amount you want. What if you have a keepsake that I wouldn't buy for even $1, and the courts would value it at ten cents. But because of emotional value for you, you wouldn't sell it for $1,000. If it's your property, you are the one who places the value on it.

When somebody else values Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

Incredible...

There is something you continuously fail to understand: Being elected President does not grant you unlimited powers, is exactly the contrary, you power is strongly restricted.

- No, as president you should not "take control of the government" beyond your constitutional functions. e.g. replacing general attorneys and the like. And you certainly do not get to self-extend your mandate just because you think you won.

- The democrats won the election. There is no proof of illegal wrongdoing. If there is, you present it to the press, the judges, etc ... but that did not happen, because there isn't.

- Sending money to other countries removes it from your economy, thus may reduce inflation, but I do not think that matters much.

- You can brag about the price of your properties in the golf club, but real state has an objective evaluation when you go to the bank to ask for a credit. If you say it is double it is fraud. This is not about "the price you'd sell it for, it is the market valuation (dude, capitalism 101).

- We do know because he is stupid enough to lie in written, in official accounting documents, right below where it says "All the information provided is true, I understand that if not I may be committing fraud".

If you have any sensible argument this is a good moment to express it. Otherwise, do a favour to this forum and stop blurting shit.

I am not upset at Trump, I fear that if what he does is Ok, the US is no longer the government of the people, but of the mobs.

Re your accusation of me being a criminal, I request you to present any evidence or remove the insults. You will get a reputation thread on that one.

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

I am not seeing here a withdrawal of your accusation. I understand that you believe that is ok to call someone a criminal without a proof - that is why you support Trump - but it is not. Prove or withdraw now.

What you call "bla bla" is called arguments in the rest of the world.

You have tried several times to provoke me into providing personal information on where I leave and who I am or who I deal with. Again, you will need to do much better and in any case is irrelevant to an argument based conversation - again, I understand why are you a Trump supporter (from China perhaps).

The fact is that the main recipients of the aid to Ukraine are US citizens. That is something you do not understand - as most of the things you speak about. When Ukraine gets funding for weapons these are produced in US factories. When they get military aid, the army units providing them get a newer, better replacement for it, guess where that is made? ... In the US most deprived regions, where most weapons factories operate.

BTW if you were a true bitcoin supporter, inflation would be irrelevant to you, even a good thing in fact.

[Hispo]

~

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

But how does exactly moving to a different country from the United States prevent one to steal or participate in stealing the population of the United States? I don't understand it, to be honest. Because we could argue and even agree that those in power of what happens to money and economical aids are those in political positions, while the common citizen only is supposed to pay for taxes, regardless of their polítical ideas or their standing in the conflict of Ukraine.
How come the common people living in USA have anything to do with robbing themselves?

Let me say one thing. The people of America are NOT supposed to pay IRS taxes. It's a Constitution and Amendment thing. The people are forced into it by their ignorance. In brief, here is how it works:

The people unwittingly, freely and ignorantly make an agreement to pay the IRS taxes. The only law requiring them to pay is their agreement under the Constitutional right to contract. Government, the IRS, and the banking system, attempt to hide this fact from the people, because they are making money off the people. If the people knew that their taxes exist by their free agreement, and if they knew what that agreement was, most of them wouldn't make that kind of agreement.


Until you understand simple things like this, most of the things in the US government and law will not be understood.

Please elaborate.
Because as far as I understand how IRS and taxes work there in the United States, You cannot quit from taxation and I am not aware the federal government makes you sign on some paper about being forced to pay taxes as long as you keep your citizenship.
The citizenship is granted (in the most if the cases) when one is born from American parents or born in American soil and obviously a newborn cannot consent to paying taxes for the rest of their life.

If you stopped summitting your income declaration or your tax forms to the government, then you would be fined or arrested for tax evasion. Isn't that how is supposed to work there or I am missing something?
Since you say to be better informed about that "agreement" you talk about, am I supposed to assume you do not pay or even declare taxes?

[BADecker]

~

Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

But how does exactly moving to a different country from the United States prevent one to steal or participate in stealing the population of the United States? I don't understand it, to be honest. Because we could argue and even agree that those in power of what happens to money and economical aids are those in political positions, while the common citizen only is supposed to pay for taxes, regardless of their polítical ideas or their standing in the conflict of Ukraine.
How come the common people living in USA have anything to do with robbing themselves?

Let me say one thing. The people of America are NOT supposed to pay IRS taxes. It's a Constitution and Amendment thing. The people are forced into it by their ignorance. In brief, here is how it works:

The people unwittingly, freely and ignorantly make an agreement to pay the IRS taxes. The only law requiring them to pay is their agreement under the Constitutional right to contract. Government, the IRS, and the banking system, attempt to hide this fact from the people, because they are making money off the people. If the people knew that their taxes exist by their free agreement, and if they knew what that agreement was, most of them wouldn't make that kind of agreement.


Until you understand simple things like this, most of the things in the US government and law will not be understood.

Please elaborate.
Because as far as I understand how IRS and taxes work there in the United States, You cannot quit from taxation and I am not aware the federal government makes you sign on some paper about being forced to pay taxes as long as you keep your citizenship.
The citizenship is granted (in the most if the cases) when one is born from American parents or born in American soil and obviously a newborn cannot consent to paying taxes for the rest of their life.

If you stopped summitting your income declaration or your tax forms to the government, then you would be fined or arrested for tax evasion. Isn't that how is supposed to work there or I am missing something?
Since you say to be better informed about that "agreement" you talk about, am I supposed to assume you do not pay or even declare taxes?

The things you say aren't the only things that can be done. Even the IRS says in their pamphlets and paperwork that taxes are voluntary. If a person can volunteer in, he has the right to volunteer out. It's up to the person to find out how.

If you want to learn how, go here - https://www.youtube.com/@CraigLynch/videos - for starters, and listen to all the videos that have anything to do with the IRS and other taxes.

If you don't happen to like what you hear, I have used it and done it. It works, even though it is a battle to start with.

[TwitchySeal]

The things you say aren't the only things that can be done. Even the IRS says in their pamphlets and paperwork that taxes are voluntary. If a person can volunteer in, he has the right to volunteer out. It's up to the person to find out how.

The things you say aren't the only things that are relevant.

There might be a pamphlet from the IRS that says filing your taxes is voluntary (although I doubt that).

In reality, if you don't file them, the government will file them for you - and if you don't pay the bill they send you, they can collect them by seizing your property or garnishing your wages.

[BADecker]

The things you say aren't the only things that can be done. Even the IRS says in their pamphlets and paperwork that taxes are voluntary. If a person can volunteer in, he has the right to volunteer out. It's up to the person to find out how.

The things you say aren't the only things that are relevant.

There might be a pamphlet from the IRS that says filing your taxes is voluntary (although I doubt that).

In reality, if you don't file them, the government will file them for you - and if you don't pay the bill they send you, they can collect them by seizing your property or garnishing your wages.

But only if you voluntarily or ignorantly let them. This is why Trump is having as much difficulty as he is having. Ignorance of American law.

    

[BADecker]

Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.


Did Deutsche Bank Just Destroy New York AG's Case Against Trump?


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/did-deutsche-bank-just-destroy-new-york-ags-case-against-trump
A Deutsche Bank executive may have just tanked New York Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit against former President Donal Drump - which revolved around portraying the German lender as Trump's biggest victim in an alleged scheme to inflate his assets in order to obtain favorable terms from banks and insurers.

David Williams, who directly worked on at least one of several loans obtained by Trump over several decades, testified on Tuesday in Manhattan that it's "atypical, but not entirely unusual" for a bank to internally slash a client's stated asset values by 50% and approve a loan anyway, as they did with Trump, Bloomberg reports.

"It just depends on the circumstances," said Williams, a managing director at the bank.

Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
...

[paxmao]

Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.

...

Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
...

First of all, this demolishes you previous theory (a joke really) that "you can put whatever value you want" - the bankers say now that they new the value was wrong, so there is a "right value" that does not depend on your imagination.

The banks are saying that they knew the valuation was wrong and accepted giving credits just on other considerations.  The bank executives will have to answer to their own shareholders on why they are ok with fraudsters.  The bank executives know perfectly well that they may be also open to a massive class action - effectively means that any shareholder of the bank can now sue them because they knowingly accepted a miss-valuation.

I know you are clueless about this, but the bank needs, for compliance, have assets against that type of credit or declare it as loss, possible loss, etc... If I am allowed an educated guess, these bankers are likely to have faked that in their accounts. There may even be jail time for some individuals for it.

Trump has to answer to the people of New York, that is irrespective of the banks dealings.

But let's look at proper news:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561

New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

So the moment he signed the credit, he was already in breach of the covenants. The punishment for this is lower... but there's punishment.

I am also thinking that if the judge says this is all right, then it will be all right for any future use. Good luck to the banking system, but particularly to all shareholders of the banks.

[BADecker]

Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.

...

Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
...

First of all, this demolishes you previous theory (a joke really) that "you can put whatever value you want" - the bankers say now that they new the value was wrong, so there is a "right value" that does not depend on your imagination.

The banks are saying that they knew the valuation was wrong and accepted giving credits just on other considerations.  The bank executives will have to answer to their own shareholders on why they are ok with fraudsters.  The bank executives know perfectly well that they may be also open to a massive class action - effectively means that any shareholder of the bank can now sue them because they knowingly accepted a miss-valuation.

I know you are clueless about this, but the bank needs, for compliance, have assets against that type of credit or declare it as loss, possible loss, etc... If I am allowed an educated guess, these bankers are likely to have faked that in their accounts. There may even be jail time for some individuals for it.

Trump has to answer to the people of New York, that is irrespective of the banks dealings.

But let's look at proper news:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561

New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

So the moment he signed the credit, he was already in breach of the covenants. The punishment for this is lower... but there's punishment.

I am also thinking that if the judge says this is all right, then it will be all right for any future use. Good luck to the banking system, but particularly to all shareholders of the banks.

Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

[Hispo]

I just read this morning that Trump's efforts to appeal one of his gag orders in the New York case has failed.
Ironically, I am pretty sure this failure will translate as even more poll wins for him in the primary race. It is what it is.

I am not even sure why Trump tried to appeal that gag order through his lawyers, because I assume we will eventually violate it anyways and he is very confident nobody would dare to throw him in prison because if the things he says about his current cases.
Even if he is wrong and he gets indeed thrown in jail, that will only help him to get even more percentage in the polls, not like he needs more, anyways. He has got the primary race in the bag.

[paxmao]

Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.

...

Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
...

First of all, this demolishes you previous theory (a joke really) that "you can put whatever value you want" - the bankers say now that they new the value was wrong, so there is a "right value" that does not depend on your imagination.

The banks are saying that they knew the valuation was wrong and accepted giving credits just on other considerations.  The bank executives will have to answer to their own shareholders on why they are ok with fraudsters.  The bank executives know perfectly well that they may be also open to a massive class action - effectively means that any shareholder of the bank can now sue them because they knowingly accepted a miss-valuation.

I know you are clueless about this, but the bank needs, for compliance, have assets against that type of credit or declare it as loss, possible loss, etc... If I am allowed an educated guess, these bankers are likely to have faked that in their accounts. There may even be jail time for some individuals for it.

Trump has to answer to the people of New York, that is irrespective of the banks dealings.

But let's look at proper news:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561

New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

So the moment he signed the credit, he was already in breach of the covenants. The punishment for this is lower... but there's punishment.

I am also thinking that if the judge says this is all right, then it will be all right for any future use. Good luck to the banking system, but particularly to all shareholders of the banks.

Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

You have a big problem. You have your idea of how the world should work according to you. But you do not seem to understand the difference between your wishful thinking and real life. You live in an illusion in which you can live your philosophy - and impose it on others - as a standalone ignorant in a world that owes you some inherent respects for your rights. I have bad news for you: The world cares shit about you and what you think. Modern states are organised how they are for many reason, but the key takeaway for you is that you do not get to change them to suit your views.

Your ideals are ridiculous e.g. "the right to contract" -  the right to contract does not exist in nature, it requires laws and the ability to enforce it, else a contract is as good as a cowshit.

For example - and I know you are an absolute ignorant on this, so just fucking google it - you do not get to put any valuation on an asset. There are strict rules on what the value is because if not people would be committing fraud after fraud. Your own fucking source is telling you that the bankers knew the values were wrong.

I also know your are also an absolute ignorant regarding micro-economics - so just fucking google this - "Offer and demand" - the price is formed by a point in which demand an offer meet. Not at whatever price the owner decides if nobody would buy at that price.

I have also figured out by now that you are also an ignorant on regards to history, law and in general any aspect of civilization. Just fucking go to Amazon and buy a few books.

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun.

Said system includes, for example, the limits to a President authority, the illegality of arming mobs to assault the institutions, the authority of those that enforce the law,...If you want to change the basis of the US democracy and impose your tyranny, is not about winning the elections (which Trump could not even do the first time by popular vote BTW), is about a new civil war or, alternatively, get a supermajority willing to do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification.

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do.

Either all that or you are an agent of China selling fentanyl to underaged Americans and polluting this forum with links to fake information.

[BADecker]

~

Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

You have a big problem. You have your idea of how the world should work according to you. But you do not seem to understand the difference between your wishful thinking and real life. You live in an illusion in which you can live your philosophy - and impose it on others - as a standalone ignorant in a world that owes you some inherent respects for your rights. I have bad news for you: The world cares shit about you and what you think. Modern states are organised how they are for many reason, but the key takeaway for you is that you do not get to change them to suit your views. - Relax, man (or are you a woman?). You don't have to get all hyper. I know that waking up can be difficult. But relax. You will wake up a lot easier that way.

God controls the world. He does it according to his love for people, even though they fight Him or try to ignore Him. So, it doesn't matter what the world thinks. What matters is their relationship with God.

Your ideals are ridiculous e.g. "the right to contract" -  the right to contract does not exist in nature, it requires laws and the ability to enforce it, else a contract is as good as a cowshit. - What does nature have to do with it. The right to contract is something for beings who can reason like people can. The animals live by instinct (ultra-complex programming).

The right to contract is legally written differently in different countries. I have shown you the way it is written in the US - https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-10/clause-1/contract-clause. Search on it. It has been adjudicated to mean that people have the right to contract with others.

If there wasn't any contract law at all, natural contract law would still exist among the people. Then, it would be the parties to the contract who would enforce their contracts. Having it written in law simply makes it easier. Or didn't you know that it was people who made the laws and Constitutions, and had to agree or not agree to them?

For example - and I know you are an absolute ignorant on this, so just fucking google it - you do not get to put any valuation on an asset. There are strict rules on what the value is because if not people would be committing fraud after fraud. Your own fucking source is telling you that the bankers knew the values were wrong. - Don't you own any property? If you do, you will find all kinds of people who will place different values on your property. If they all decide to value it the same, it's because they have a simple agreement (contract) with other people to value it that way. But the value that counts is the value you place on it, because you are the owner. Do you really like being overruled on your valuation of your own property?

I also know your are also an absolute ignorant regarding micro-economics - so just fucking google this - "Offer and demand" - the price is formed by a point in which demand an offer meet. Not at whatever price the owner decides if nobody would buy at that price. - Suppose you wanted to sell a piece of your property to others. If nobody will buy it, it's because you placed too big of a price on it. Take your pick. Revalue it at a lower price, or keep it. It's called the free market.

If you and the people of your country don't have freedom to value things they trade between themselves, there is very little for you guys to live for. If government figures out the price of everything that is bought and sold in your land, then what's the use of trying to get ahead in life? It's all been decided for you, already.

I have also figured out by now that you are also an ignorant on regards to history, law and in general any aspect of civilization. Just fucking go to Amazon and buy a few books. - Do you even see what I mean? The libraries are full of books that are free to use... at least in the US. All you can think of is spending money at some company to buy what you could use freely at the library. Think, man (or are you a woman?).

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun. - Don't you realize that people make the laws?

In the US, we have the 6th and 7th Amendments. Both of them allow a trial by a 12-person jury of ones peers. If the jury strikes down any law with regard to the current case, that law doesn't apply to the defendant. The jury rules. This is one of the BIG reasons why America is as free as it is. A little 12-person jury has rule over any laws that might have anything to do with a court case.

Said system includes, for example, the limits to a President authority, the illegality of arming mobs to assault the institutions, the authority of those that enforce the law,...If you want to change the basis of the US democracy and impose your tyranny, is not about winning the elections (which Trump could not even do the first time by popular vote BTW), is about a new civil war or, alternatively, get a supermajority willing to do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification. - The thing that you (and many people) don't realize is that the Constitution doesn't have authority over individual people unless they contract with government. The Constitution exists to protect the people from Government Officials. It applies to government, and government officials who try to use it against the people, have the jury to tangle with, as I have written above.

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do. - I don't need to read the Constitution. It applies to government people. But if they step out of line and harm me or other non-government individuals, I might use the Constitution to put government people in their place. Because that is what the Constitution is for.

Either all that or you are an agent of China selling fentanyl to underaged Americans and polluting this forum with links to fake information.

If you are a person in the UK, you should really find out the basics of UK law. It is similar to that of the US in many ways. It's even better in some ways, because if it is properly used, it bypasses a lot of thinking that one would have to do to put down evil government officials. One of the best places you can go to find out about both, US law and also UK law is Karl Lentz, here - https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da.

In the UK, and several other countries that use UK-style law, consider Kings Bench court. It formerly was Queens Bench until the Queen died. It's the court for the common people, if they use it right.

[paxmao]

Back on topic, with an UK newspaper just for you that seem to like the UK so much:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gag-order-trial-latest-news-b2456671.html

Trump suffers double court blow over Jan 6 cases: Latest
...
A long-awaited federal appeals court ruling on Friday determined that Mr Trump can be held civilly liable for inciting the riots at the US Capitol on 6 January, 2021 in the wake of his 2020 loss.

The ruling, which followed three lawsuits from law enforcement officers and members of Congress whose lives were threatened that day, finds that the former president cannot use presidential “immunity” as a shield from that litigation.
...

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Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

You have a big problem. You have your idea of how the world should work according to you. But you do not seem to understand the difference between your wishful thinking and real life. You live in an illusion in which you can live your philosophy - and impose it on others - as a standalone ignorant in a world that owes you some inherent respects for your rights. I have bad news for you: The world cares shit about you and what you think. Modern states are organised how they are for many reason, but the key takeaway for you is that you do not get to change them to suit your views. - Relax, man (or are you a woman?). You don't have to get all hyper. I know that waking up can be difficult. But relax. You will wake up a lot easier that way.

God controls the world. He does it according to his love for people, even though they fight Him or try to ignore Him. So, it doesn't matter what the world thinks. What matters is their relationship with God.

Your ideals are ridiculous e.g. "the right to contract" -  the right to contract does not exist in nature, it requires laws and the ability to enforce it, else a contract is as good as a cowshit. - What does nature have to do with it. The right to contract is something for beings who can reason like people can. The animals live by instinct (ultra-complex programming).

The right to contract is legally written differently in different countries. I have shown you the way it is written in the US - https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-10/clause-1/contract-clause. Search on it. It has been adjudicated to mean that people have the right to contract with others.

If there wasn't any contract law at all, natural contract law would still exist among the people. Then, it would be the parties to the contract who would enforce their contracts. Having it written in law simply makes it easier. Or didn't you know that it was people who made the laws and Constitutions, and had to agree or not agree to them?

For example - and I know you are an absolute ignorant on this, so just fucking google it - you do not get to put any valuation on an asset. There are strict rules on what the value is because if not people would be committing fraud after fraud. Your own fucking source is telling you that the bankers knew the values were wrong. - Don't you own any property? If you do, you will find all kinds of people who will place different values on your property. If they all decide to value it the same, it's because they have a simple agreement (contract) with other people to value it that way. But the value that counts is the value you place on it, because you are the owner. Do you really like being overruled on your valuation of your own property?

I also know your are also an absolute ignorant regarding micro-economics - so just fucking google this - "Offer and demand" - the price is formed by a point in which demand an offer meet. Not at whatever price the owner decides if nobody would buy at that price. - Suppose you wanted to sell a piece of your property to others. If nobody will buy it, it's because you placed too big of a price on it. Take your pick. Revalue it at a lower price, or keep it. It's called the free market.

If you and the people of your country don't have freedom to value things they trade between themselves, there is very little for you guys to live for. If government figures out the price of everything that is bought and sold in your land, then what's the use of trying to get ahead in life? It's all been decided for you, already.

I have also figured out by now that you are also an ignorant on regards to history, law and in general any aspect of civilization. Just fucking go to Amazon and buy a few books. - Do you even see what I mean? The libraries are full of books that are free to use... at least in the US. All you can think of is spending money at some company to buy what you could use freely at the library. Think, man (or are you a woman?).

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun. - Don't you realize that people make the laws?

In the US, we have the 6th and 7th Amendments. Both of them allow a trial by a 12-person jury of ones peers. If the jury strikes down any law with regard to the current case, that law doesn't apply to the defendant. The jury rules. This is one of the BIG reasons why America is as free as it is. A little 12-person jury has rule over any laws that might have anything to do with a court case.

Said system includes, for example, the limits to a President authority, the illegality of arming mobs to assault the institutions, the authority of those that enforce the law,...If you want to change the basis of the US democracy and impose your tyranny, is not about winning the elections (which Trump could not even do the first time by popular vote BTW), is about a new civil war or, alternatively, get a supermajority willing to do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification. - The thing that you (and many people) don't realize is that the Constitution doesn't have authority over individual people unless they contract with government. The Constitution exists to protect the people from Government Officials. It applies to government, and government officials who try to use it against the people, have the jury to tangle with, as I have written above.

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do. - I don't need to read the Constitution. It applies to government people. But if they step out of line and harm me or other non-government individuals, I might use the Constitution to put government people in their place. Because that is what the Constitution is for.

Either all that or you are an agent of China selling fentanyl to underaged Americans and polluting this forum with links to fake information.

If you are a person in the UK, you should really find out the basics of UK law. It is similar to that of the US in many ways. It's even better in some ways, because if it is properly used, it bypasses a lot of thinking that one would have to do to put down evil government officials. One of the best places you can go to find out about both, US law and also UK law is Karl Lentz, here - https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da.

In the UK, and several other countries that use UK-style law, consider Kings Bench court. It formerly was Queens Bench until the Queen died. It's the court for the common people, if they use it right.

Again, I am not a person man or woman, I do not live anywhere and as far as you are concern I exist only in a cloud server in an unmapped island in the South Pacific. I know you are eager to judge people for their origin - it prevents your from having to think.

I do not need to watch a video on UK law, nor on the Napoleonic code, the Hammurabi code or the Constitución de La Argentina. I can read and I do it when I want to learn something. Try it.

UK does not have a constitution as such and the common law and body of jurisprudence is quite different from the US, not to mention the organisation of the state, but that is irrelevant here.

As it is irrelevant which country you live in, a contract is nothing without enforcement. That enforcement requires law that require such enforcement and a mechanism to incentivise compliance or enforce. That "free man" thing (should be free person)  is missing lots of pieces of the puzzle dude.

On the valuation of properties, look, I get it, you are way out of your league on this discussion. But if you own anything, go to the bank and try to get a credit (just as an exercise) with the argument that "I decide the value of my property, not you". They will explain to you how it works (after a good laugh of course).

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do. - I don't need to read the Constitution. It applies to government people. But if they step out of line and harm me or other non-government individuals, I might use the Constitution to put government people in their place. Because that is what the Constitution is for.

Yes, you do, you desperately need to read it. Even if it is an illustrated version for kids. The moment you are a citizen of a country you are under the rules. If you do not like it, you need to create your own country and there set your rules.

Let's follow your fantasy for a moment and assume that you can live in a country, but the laws do not apply to you - because you are so "special" or whatever other nonsense. You are voting because there is a constitution that grants you that right. That's it, you vote, you accept it. It took the blood and good thinking of many a good people (a million times better than you by any measure) to get you that right, instead of the right to plead loyalty to Charles V.

It also states what that votes means for and how the president is elected and the limits of the presidential power. As a hint for you that "do not need to read it", it does NOT say that you are electing a Messiah, your Saviour, a demi-god nor the next dalai-lama. You are electing a dude (or a gal) that has a specific job with specific rules.

If you do not like the constitution get a super-majority and make an amendment - meanwhile, it is what it is. If you try to change the rules by force (e.g. sending a mob to the Capitol to kill people) you get jail time or needle.

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun. - Don't you realize that people make the laws?

Yes, indirectly by choosing representatives. You are not "the people", you are an individual and do not get to make laws on your own.

[BADecker]

~

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

The only reason why Trump is having the trouble he is having is, he agreed to it.The laws of the US are applicable to government people more than they are to non-government people. Why? Because government people took the Oath of Office (OoO). Since Trump is not in government any longer, he is not under the OoO at the moment. If he doesn't prosecute the government people for the harm they are doing to him, that's his business.

I know it a big step in understanding for a slave like you to take, but at least try to free yourself from the ignorance. Or do you like being a slave?

[DooMAD]

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

Understand it any way you like, the tangerine blowhard and his ridiculous hair implants are still going to jail.  Most likely along with a few of his co-conspirators.   

[paxmao]

~

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

The only reason why Trump is having the trouble he is having is, he agreed to it.The laws of the US are applicable to government people more than they are to non-government people. Why? Because government people took the Oath of Office (OoO). Since Trump is not in government any longer, he is not under the OoO at the moment. If he doesn't prosecute the government people for the harm they are doing to him, that's his business.

I know it a big step in understanding for a slave like you to take, but at least try to free yourself from the ignorance. Or do you like being a slave?

He certainly swore the Constitution - the one you have not read and do not understand.

You are here the only slave to your own ignorance and fantasies. The worst king of ignorant - the one who does not even know the extent of his own lack of knowledge and the worst kind of slave - one who thinks is free and lives in a wonderland of pink unicorns. Freedom is earned with blood and sweat, not shit-linking all over adult people having serious discussions.

Go to kindergaten kiddo.

[BADecker]

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

Understand it any way you like, the tangerine blowhard and his ridiculous hair implants are still going to jail.  Most likely along with a few of his co-conspirators.   

Well, you're close. It isn't jail. It's prison... the prison of the Presidency. I mean, why would anyone give up his freedom to put up with 330 million Americans and all their gripes?

Trump thanks the courts for all their advertising. The people have loved Trump since before 2020. All this court advertising is simply bringing it out into the open, as the polls are showing us.

Make America Great Again

[paxmao]

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

Understand it any way you like, the tangerine blowhard and his ridiculous hair implants are still going to jail.  Most likely along with a few of his co-conspirators.    

Well, you're close. It isn't jail. It's prison... the prison of the Presidency. I mean, why would anyone give up his freedom to put up with 330 million Americans and all their gripes?

Trump thanks the courts for all their advertising. The people have loved Trump since before 2020. All this court advertising is simply bringing it out into the open, as the polls are showing us.

[p

https://www.reuters.com/legal/about-half-us-republicans-could-spurn-trump-if-he-is-convicted-reutersipsos-poll-2023-08-03/

About half of US Republicans could spurn Trump if he is convicted, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows
...
asked respondents if they would vote for Trump for president next year if he were "convicted of a felony crime by a jury." Among Republicans, 45% said they would not vote for him
...

Try again.

[Hispo]

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

Understand it any way you like, the tangerine blowhard and his ridiculous hair implants are still going to jail.  Most likely along with a few of his co-conspirators.    

Well, you're close. It isn't jail. It's prison... the prison of the Presidency. I mean, why would anyone give up his freedom to put up with 330 million Americans and all their gripes?

Trump thanks the courts for all their advertising. The people have loved Trump since before 2020. All this court advertising is simply bringing it out into the open, as the polls are showing us.

Make America Great Again

By the way, I have not fully understood the implications or full meaning of the Trump slogan "Make America Great Again". It seems to imply there was a period of time or an era when The United States was "great" or better than it is today.
I wonder what Trump means by it, what was the golden age he intends to take back the nation to? Is he talking about the 80's, the 90's ?
Because it would be a matter of personal opinion and perspective whether those years were actually the greatest for the USA or not, even among Republicans, many of them would disagree when they golden age which they want so much actually took place.

Leaving the USA aside, to me the best years were the early 2000-2010. Probably just because it was my childhood and all was just fun and games. Who knows.

[paxmao]

Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

Understand it any way you like, the tangerine blowhard and his ridiculous hair implants are still going to jail.  Most likely along with a few of his co-conspirators.    

Well, you're close. It isn't jail. It's prison... the prison of the Presidency. I mean, why would anyone give up his freedom to put up with 330 million Americans and all their gripes?

Trump thanks the courts for all their advertising. The people have loved Trump since before 2020. All this court advertising is simply bringing it out into the open, as the polls are showing us.

...

By the way, I have not fully understood the implications or full meaning of the Trump slogan "Make America Great Again". It seems to imply there was a period of time or an era when The United States was "great" or better than it is today.
I wonder what Trump means by it, what was the golden age he intends to take back the nation to? Is he talking about the 80's, the 90's ?
Because it would be a matter of personal opinion and perspective whether those years were actually the greatest for the USA or not, even among Republicans, many of them would disagree when they golden age which they want so much actually took place.

Leaving the USA aside, to me the best years were the early 2000-2010. Probably just because it was my childhood and all was just fun and games. Who knows.

Because there isn't anything behind the slogan! MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day, to the point that he may be telling people two different things in the same day like during covid.

Anyway the key items are immigration (trying to stop it even threating attacking Mexico and stuff...), international relations - extreme tariffs to imports; "stopping the war in Ukraine in 24 hours", Cozy with Ruzzia, China, North Korea, supporter of Israel, locally lowering taxes and the usual Republican economic agenda. On abortion and civil liberties, he has by now figured out that he will need a much softer approach if he wants to win elections (one day this, next day that).

All this is just a political programme - quite hyperbolic and probably not the right one for the US - but not really a problem. The problem is the already in preparation assault to institutions, putting a set of pre-screened high level civil servants that would not hesitate in breaking the law if asked to. The prep work is being done by "ONGs" that have "no relation to Trump" *wink *wink. That is the real problem, apart with giving wings to every undocumented idiot in the US that has "a theory".

[BADecker]

~

By the way, I have not fully understood the implications or full meaning of the Trump slogan "Make America Great Again". It seems to imply there was a period of time or an era when The United States was "great" or better than it is today.
I wonder what Trump means by it, what was the golden age he intends to take back the nation to? Is he talking about the 80's, the 90's ?
Because it would be a matter of personal opinion and perspective whether those years were actually the greatest for the USA or not, even among Republicans, many of them would disagree when they golden age which they want so much actually took place.

Leaving the USA aside, to me the best years were the early 2000-2010. Probably just because it was my childhood and all was just fun and games. Who knows.

Because there isn't anything behind the slogan! MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day, to the point that he may be telling people two different things in the same day like during covid.

Anyway the key items are immigration (trying to stop it even threating attacking Mexico and stuff...), international relations - extreme tariffs to imports; "stopping the war in Ukraine in 24 hours", Cozy with Ruzzia, China, North Korea, supporter of Israel, locally lowering taxes and the usual Republican economic agenda. On abortion and civil liberties, he has by now figured out that he will need a much softer approach if he wants to win elections (one day this, next day that).

All this is just a political programme - quite hyperbolic and probably not the right one for the US - but not really a problem. The problem is the already in preparation assault to institutions, putting a set of pre-screened high level civil servants that would not hesitate in breaking the law if asked to. The prep work is being done by "ONGs" that have "no relation to Trump" *wink *wink. That is the real problem, apart with giving wings to every undocumented idiot in the US that has "a theory".

You said it, "MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day..." . That's exactly what a President does and is supposed to do. Methods for Making America Great Again change along with changing circumstances. The only reason why it might look like Trump "may be telling people two different things in the same day" is, circumstances change that fast at times. It's his duty to change with the circumstance so that he is Making America Great Again.

Attacking other countries doesn't necessarily have anything to do any kind of military threat. It can be done with proper international taxation. If Mexico or any other country won't play along, increase taxation on imports into the US. At the same time, decrease taxes on exports to that country. And change the taxation daily if necessary, based on the results.

Trump as President can change loads of taxation and regulation on internal, US companies, so that they have to change themselves just to survive. But the results will ultimately Make America Great Again.

[Hispo]

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By the way, I have not fully understood the implications or full meaning of the Trump slogan "Make America Great Again". It seems to imply there was a period of time or an era when The United States was "great" or better than it is today.
I wonder what Trump means by it, what was the golden age he intends to take back the nation to? Is he talking about the 80's, the 90's ?
Because it would be a matter of personal opinion and perspective whether those years were actually the greatest for the USA or not, even among Republicans, many of them would disagree when they golden age which they want so much actually took place.

Leaving the USA aside, to me the best years were the early 2000-2010. Probably just because it was my childhood and all was just fun and games. Who knows.

Because there isn't anything behind the slogan! MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day, to the point that he may be telling people two different things in the same day like during covid.

Anyway the key items are immigration (trying to stop it even threating attacking Mexico and stuff...), international relations - extreme tariffs to imports; "stopping the war in Ukraine in 24 hours", Cozy with Ruzzia, China, North Korea, supporter of Israel, locally lowering taxes and the usual Republican economic agenda. On abortion and civil liberties, he has by now figured out that he will need a much softer approach if he wants to win elections (one day this, next day that).

All this is just a political programme - quite hyperbolic and probably not the right one for the US - but not really a problem. The problem is the already in preparation assault to institutions, putting a set of pre-screened high level civil servants that would not hesitate in breaking the law if asked to. The prep work is being done by "ONGs" that have "no relation to Trump" *wink *wink. That is the real problem, apart with giving wings to every undocumented idiot in the US that has "a theory".

You said it, "MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day..." . That's exactly what a President does and is supposed to do. Methods for Making America Great Again change along with changing circumstances. The only reason why it might look like Trump "may be telling people two different things in the same day" is, circumstances change that fast at times. It's his duty to change with the circumstance so that he is Making America Great Again.

Attacking other countries doesn't necessarily have anything to do any kind of military threat. It can be done with proper international taxation. If Mexico or any other country won't play along, increase taxation on imports into the US. At the same time, decrease taxes on exports to that country. And change the taxation daily if necessary, based on the results.

Trump as President can change loads of taxation and regulation on internal, US companies, so that they have to change themselves just to survive. But the results will ultimately Make America Great Again.

Are you aware that economical strategy to bend the will of other countries and nations only work when those targeted countries have relatively tight commerce lines with the USA and her allies, right? Trump indeed tried to use that strategy against China and Mexico, one could have it worked good enough because they dependence of the Mexican and Chinese economy of the USA consumerism. But it is a move you cannot do against countries which rely their imports and exports on Russia/China/India and have null commercial exchange with the USA.
If the military options was never supposed to be effective, USA would have never used it through her history, in my opinion.

What concerns me is how ambiguous the MAGA slogan is, a Great country is quite a different vision, depending whom you ask.

Also, in one of lastest Trump's speeches he said he would not rest until all in America is able to afford a house a vehicle (electric or combustion). Of course, he could not care to give details on how he is planing to make the economy surge to auch levels where everyone can get all of it in less than 4 years...

[paxmao]

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By the way, I have not fully understood the implications or full meaning of the Trump slogan "Make America Great Again". It seems to imply there was a period of time or an era when The United States was "great" or better than it is today.
I wonder what Trump means by it, what was the golden age he intends to take back the nation to? Is he talking about the 80's, the 90's ?
Because it would be a matter of personal opinion and perspective whether those years were actually the greatest for the USA or not, even among Republicans, many of them would disagree when they golden age which they want so much actually took place.

Leaving the USA aside, to me the best years were the early 2000-2010. Probably just because it was my childhood and all was just fun and games. Who knows.

Because there isn't anything behind the slogan! MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day, to the point that he may be telling people two different things in the same day like during covid.

Anyway the key items are immigration (trying to stop it even threating attacking Mexico and stuff...), international relations - extreme tariffs to imports; "stopping the war in Ukraine in 24 hours", Cozy with Ruzzia, China, North Korea, supporter of Israel, locally lowering taxes and the usual Republican economic agenda. On abortion and civil liberties, he has by now figured out that he will need a much softer approach if he wants to win elections (one day this, next day that).

All this is just a political programme - quite hyperbolic and probably not the right one for the US - but not really a problem. The problem is the already in preparation assault to institutions, putting a set of pre-screened high level civil servants that would not hesitate in breaking the law if asked to. The prep work is being done by "ONGs" that have "no relation to Trump" *wink *wink. That is the real problem, apart with giving wings to every undocumented idiot in the US that has "a theory".

You said it, "MAGA is whatever Trump decides is the flavour of the day..." . That's exactly what a President does and is supposed to do. Methods for[propaganda removed] change along with changing circumstances. The only reason why it might look like Trump "may be telling people two different things in the same day" is, circumstances change that fast at times. It's his duty to change with the circumstance so that he is Making America Great Again.

Attacking other countries doesn't necessarily have anything to do any kind of military threat. It can be done with proper international taxation. If Mexico or any other country won't play along, increase taxation on imports into the US. At the same time, decrease taxes on exports to that country. And change the taxation daily if necessary, based on the results.

Trump as President can change loads of taxation and regulation on internal, US companies, so that they have to change themselves just to survive. But the results will ultimately [propaganda removed]

Are you aware that economical strategy to bend the will of other countries and nations only work when those targeted countries have relatively tight commerce lines with the USA and her allies, right? Trump indeed tried to use that strategy against China and Mexico, one could have it worked good enough because they dependence of the Mexican and Chinese economy of the USA consumerism. But it is a move you cannot do against countries which rely their imports and exports on Russia/China/India and have null commercial exchange with the USA.
If the military options was never supposed to be effective, USA would have never used it through her history, in my opinion.

What concerns me is how ambiguous the MAGA slogan is, a Great country is quite a different vision, depending whom you ask.

Also, in one of lastest Trump's speeches he said he would not rest until all in America is able to afford a house a vehicle (electric or combustion). Of course, he could not care to give details on how he is planing to make the economy surge to auch levels where everyone can get all of it in less than 4 years...

I know that most people here will not get into the details of how stuff arrives at their tables, desks and workplaces, but trying to untangle nearly any supply chain in the US from Mexico, China and a few other countries in Asia is a nightmare. The populist approach of "we will make them play along" or "we will get a better deal" or "we will impose conditions on them" is based on the very stupid assumption that Trump's team is "just smarter".

As it is anything he says - until it comes the time to deliver. Then there comes the lies, the "deep state" not allow it, the fake information "employment is lower", we "care about minorities too",...

That is the problem when you set unrealistic expectations - you have then to work your way out of the mudpit.

Please, let's MUHA - "Make US Honest[/b] Again" and get rid of the cheap populist leader. There has to be something better to offer to the people than you know who.


Speaking of which, it is looking a lot like getting convicted - the topic of this.

[BADecker]

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Are you aware that economical strategy to bend the will of other countries and nations only work when those targeted countries have relatively tight commerce lines with the USA and her allies, right? Trump indeed tried to use that strategy against China and Mexico, one could have it worked good enough because they dependence of the Mexican and Chinese economy of the USA consumerism. But it is a move you cannot do against countries which rely their imports and exports on Russia/China/India and have null commercial exchange with the USA.
If the military options was never supposed to be effective, USA would have never used it through her history, in my opinion.

What concerns me is how ambiguous the MAGA slogan is, a Great country is quite a different vision, depending whom you ask.

Also, in one of lastest Trump's speeches he said he would not rest until all in America is able to afford a house a vehicle (electric or combustion). Of course, he could not care to give details on how he is planing to make the economy surge to auch levels where everyone can get all of it in less than 4 years...

I know that most people here will not get into the details of how stuff arrives at their tables, desks and workplaces, but trying to untangle nearly any supply chain in the US from Mexico, China and a few other countries in Asia is a nightmare. The populist approach of "we will make them play along" or "we will get a better deal" or "we will impose conditions on them" is based on the very stupid assumption that Trump's team is "just smarter".

As it is anything he says - until it comes the time to deliver. Then there comes the lies, the "deep state" not allow it, the fake information "employment is lower", we "care about minorities too",...

That is the problem when you set unrealistic expectations - you have then to work your way out of the mudpit.

Please, let's MUHA - "Make US Honest[/b] Again" and get rid of the cheap populist leader. There has to be something better to offer to the people than you know who.


Speaking of which, it is looking a lot like getting convicted - the topic of this.

You jokers are so funny. You talk about all kinds of abstract ideals, and forget the realities of what is happening. For example. A friend reminded me that gasoline prices are coming down. "See?" he said, "Biden is doing a good job." But this friend couldn't answer when I reminded him that food prices have almost doubled under Biden, and some have more than doubled. And he didn't have anything to say at all when I showed him that gasoline prices went way up under the Biden reign before they started coming back down. So, Biden played the game of screwing America, just like he is playing the game of making it look good, now, so he gets more votes.

Personally, I would rather have America be able to manufacture all its 'stuff', rather than have to depend on foreign countries for anything. And that was what Trump was doing - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

Bring all the jobs back to America. Make America strong within herself. Then, if other nations want to trade with her, let them bow to America's demands. Don't do any 'bad' to the other nations. Let them play with the US on the terms that the US lays down, or let them do their own thing. After all, the US doesn't need them if they are making America weak. After all, most of the modern conveniences that other nations have came from the US, or were at least started in these nations by the US.

I mean, isn't this kinda what you want for your own countries? Independence from needing to rely on any other nation?

BTW,

DEM
DASA

Or reelect Biden,

Democrats
Destroy America Somemore Again

[sirazimuth]

Ha! I see some folks here have got sucked down the BADecker trolling rabbit hole. He loves it.
I gave up debating this moron years ago with all his plethora of asinine threads.
Not worth wasting time. Every veteran on this forum knows he's the village idiot and has him on ignore or just laughs at his lunacy.
Sometimes I'll engage him if I'm bored and had a few, just for a chuckle. And I know I'll get a reply.
I think his whole life consists of trolling the bitcointalk p+s board  with nonsense and nothing else.


And to stay on topic, Mike Pence is gonna be a good witness for the prosecution in the Georgia trial, no doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHt6hnLTe5c

[paxmao]

Ha! I see some folks here have got sucked down the BADecker trolling rabbit hole. He loves it.
I gave up debating this moron years ago with all his plethora of asinine threads.
Not worth wasting time. Every veteran on this forum knows he's the village idiot and has him on ignore or just laughs at his lunacy.
Sometimes I'll engage him if I'm bored and had a few, just for a chuckle. And I know I'll get a reply.
I think his whole life consists of trolling the bitcointalk p+s board  with nonsense and nothing else.


And to stay on topic, Mike Pence is gonna be a good witness for the prosecution in the Georgia trial, no doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHt6hnLTe5c

Thanks good advice, I think most people no longer bother and it seems that now he is trying to get keywords and links into the algo, so it may seem that he is playing the game, but can't we all play the game? Not everything is what it looks.

Mike Pence is a big one. He is credible in general, he could have played along with the orange-ambition guy so at least he was ... smart enough? afraid enough? ambitious enough? My guess is that he has no future while Trump is around, so he is going to be motivated on this one, while he has to pretend that is just complying with the law.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/mike-pence-georgia-witness-list/index.html

Pence’s name appearing on the witness list in Georgia, which has not been previously reported, is the first concrete sign that the Fulton County district attorney’s office is preparing to put him on the stand. Pence has already signaled a willingness to testify as a witness in any federal trial.

[BADecker]

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Mike Pence is a big one. He is credible in general, he could have played along with the orange-ambition guy so at least he was ... smart enough? afraid enough? ambitious enough? My guess is that he has no future while Trump is around, so he is going to be motivated on this one, while he has to pretend that is just complying with the law.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/mike-pence-georgia-witness-list/index.html

Pence’s name appearing on the witness list in Georgia, which has not been previously reported, is the first concrete sign that the Fulton County district attorney’s office is preparing to put him on the stand. Pence has already signaled a willingness to testify as a witness in any federal trial.

Mike Pence credible? Lol. He turned on his 'boss' and the American people. But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers. How big of a stabbed-to-death trail would we find in YOUR history if we followed it?

[DooMAD]

But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers.

If you believed your country was still a Democracy (and you clearly don't), you'd realise the lunatic you're rooting for is the one betraying all the principles your nation was founded upon. 

[BADecker]

But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers.

If you believed your country was still a Democracy (and you clearly don't), you'd realise the lunatic you're rooting for is the one betraying all the principles your nation was founded upon.  

You are mistaken. America is a Republic. The so-called government is the Democracy. The 6th and 7th Amendments to the Constitution allow a 12-person jury of the Republic to strike down any Government law... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called.

[paxmao]

But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers.

If you believed your country was still a Democracy (and you clearly don't), you'd realise the lunatic you're rooting for is the one betraying all the principles your nation was founded upon.  

You are mistaken. America is a Republic. The so-called government is the Democracy. The 6th and 7th Amendments to the Constitution allow a 12-person jury of the Republic to strike down any Government law... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called.

I have told you a million times: youtube is not a credible source of information in general, but those channels that you seen to be following are probably the humour section of some short of outlet.

6th

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

7th

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

There absolutely nothing of what you say on this nor any other amendment. A jury cannot fucking "strike down" any law dumbass, much on the contrary, they have to decide on specific questions about the charges following the criteria setforth in the common law.

Go to kindergarten dumbass.

[BADecker]

But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers.

If you believed your country was still a Democracy (and you clearly don't), you'd realise the lunatic you're rooting for is the one betraying all the principles your nation was founded upon.  

You are mistaken. America is a Republic. The so-called government is the Democracy. The 6th and 7th Amendments to the Constitution allow a 12-person jury of the Republic to strike down any Government law... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called.

I have told you a million times: youtube is not a credible source of information in general, but those channels that you seen to be following are probably the humour section of some short of outlet.

6th

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

7th

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

There absolutely nothing of what you say on this nor any other amendment. A jury cannot fucking "strike down" any law dumbass, much on the contrary, they have to decide on specific questions about the charges following the criteria setforth in the common law.

Go to kindergarten dumbass.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

You quoted it right in your quoting of the 7th Amendment, "... and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." In other words, what the jury decides is the thing that becomes law for the case at hand... even the striking down of a Congressionally mandated law.

But that is only for, "... Suits at common law," as the 7th Amendment says. There is no common law trial for criminal cases listed in these two Amendments. So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

However, Even if he accepts a criminal jury trial, the decisions of the jury cannot be changed except through a proper declaration of mistrial. If the jury decided that Trump was innocent of everything, he would get off, free. It would only apply to him. The next person accused of breaking the same law(s) as Trump, would have to get his own jury, and jury decisions for himself. They might be different than in Trump's case.

Now you can see why the judge won't allow Trump a jury trial. Trump is popular enough that many juries might set him completely free. The judge is partially wrong in this. He isn't supposed to dis-allow a trial by jury, even if the defendant agrees to such, or hires attorneys, becoming a ward of the court, thereby. But nobody seems to want to take the judge to task over his failure to obey his own Rules of Court.

[TwitchySeal]

So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

This doesn't work.   It's been tried.

The judge would just deny his stupid request like all the stupid requests he's made before.  All the appellate courts would decline to intervene, including SCOTUS.  If your theory worked, nobody would ever be prosecuted by DOJ for breaking federal laws. It wouldn't be a secret nobody knew about.  It would just take one successful case, and then everyone would do it.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

So how about some examples of a jury  "striking down a law".  

That's not how it works.

Congress (or state lawmakers) make laws.  If they want to get rid of a law, they have to pass a bill,

Judges interpret the laws.

Executive branch enforces the laws....wait you learn better from youtube videos...I have two perfect videos for you, please watch:  

3 Ring Government - Schoolhouse Rock
I'm just a bill - Schoolhouse Rock

[BADecker]

So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

This doesn't work.   It's been tried.

The judge would just deny his stupid request like all the stupid requests he's made before.  All the appellate courts would decline to intervene, including SCOTUS.  If your theory worked, nobody would ever be prosecuted by DOJ for breaking federal laws. It wouldn't be a secret nobody knew about.  It would just take one successful case, and then everyone would do it.

The reason it doesn't work most of the time is that the so-called defendant didn't go far enough. A man/woman can't accept being the defendant, and stand unrepresented at the same time. The two are contradictory. But that's what most of them try to do. So, most of them lose by contradicting themselves.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

So how about some examples of a jury  "striking down a law".  

That's not how it works.

Congress (or state lawmakers) make laws.  If they want to get rid of a law, they have to pass a bill,

Judges interpret the laws.

Executive branch enforces the laws....wait you learn better from youtube videos...I have two perfect videos for you, please watch:  

3 Ring Government - Schoolhouse Rock
I'm just a bill - Schoolhouse Rock

Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

[paxmao]

But that's the kind of people you like, right? Back stabbers.

If you believed your country was still a Democracy (and you clearly don't), you'd realise the lunatic you're rooting for is the one betraying all the principles your nation was founded upon.  

You are mistaken. America is a Republic. The so-called government is the Democracy. The 6th and 7th Amendments to the Constitution allow a 12-person jury of the Republic to strike down any Government law... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called.

I have told you a million times: youtube is not a credible source of information in general, but those channels that you seen to be following are probably the humour section of some short of outlet.

6th

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

7th

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

There absolutely nothing of what you say on this nor any other amendment. A jury cannot fucking "strike down" any law dumbass, much on the contrary, they have to decide on specific questions about the charges following the criteria setforth in the common law.

Go to kindergarten dumbass.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

You quoted it right in your quoting of the 7th Amendment, "... and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." In other words, what the jury decides is the thing that becomes law for the case at hand... even the striking down of a Congressionally mandated law.

But that is only for, "... Suits at common law," as the 7th Amendment says. There is no common law trial for criminal cases listed in these two Amendments. So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

However, Even if he accepts a criminal jury trial, the decisions of the jury cannot be changed except through a proper declaration of mistrial. If the jury decided that Trump was innocent of everything, he would get off, free. It would only apply to him. The next person accused of breaking the same law(s) as Trump, would have to get his own jury, and jury decisions for himself. They might be different than in Trump's case.

Now you can see why the judge won't allow Trump a jury trial. Trump is popular enough that many juries might set him completely free. The judge is partially wrong in this. He isn't supposed to dis-allow a trial by jury, even if the defendant agrees to such, or hires attorneys, becoming a ward of the court, thereby. But nobody seems to want to take the judge to task over his failure to obey his own Rules of Court.

I have never seen such as an amount of misreading. I though you needed a brain transplant, but it is much more simple: You need to go back to kindergarten and learn what words mean. There is absolutely nothing in the text saying what you say it says, absolutely nothing. And it is also absolutely out of any legal precedent or practice anywhere - I mean anywhere in the modern world, not just the US.

By the way, you are also a complete mess on the rest, it is just to boring to even discuss.

Now, let's talk about "Nullification", which is likely to be the topic of some video you must have seen in your shitty outlets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification#:~:text=The%20decision%20stated%20that%20%22juries,permit%20of%20no%20other%20course%22.

A jury cannot "strike down" a law. The law can be nullified, but is not just 12 persons saying so, there is a whole process to it. And it is something certainly contested.

Potentially, a jury may decide not to apply a law by reasons of conscience, declaring innocent to someone who is clearly breaking the law - veeery different of removing the law altogether and even that creates all short of fairness and consistency issues between different cases.

For some people juries are fact finders, while others pretend that they are also interpreters of the law. Another topic for discussion (how can someone who has no legal background interpret the law?)

Overall, dumbass BA is banking on a jury deciding to ignore the law for Trump. But you have to understand that:

a) A jury may no consider the facts as proven an acquit OR
b) A jury may disagree with the law and acquit.

For Trump to be acquitted for (a) is a possibility, but my guess is that the case presented will be factually strong.

For Trump to be acquitted for (b) the jury has to decide that the law that does not allow to, for example, send a murdering mob to the Capitol is wrong - so it would be OK to send murdering mobs to the Capitol .... for anyone.

or they may decide that the law that says that a president can't ignore the results of an election is wrong, so ANY president can ignore ANY future election.

do you see how stupid this is dumbass?

[TwitchySeal]

So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

This doesn't work.   It's been tried.

The judge would just deny his stupid request like all the stupid requests he's made before.  All the appellate courts would decline to intervene, including SCOTUS.  If your theory worked, nobody would ever be prosecuted by DOJ for breaking federal laws. It wouldn't be a secret nobody knew about.  It would just take one successful case, and then everyone would do it.

The reason it doesn't work most of the time is that the so-called defendant didn't go far enough. A man/woman can't accept being the defendant, and stand unrepresented at the same time. The two are contradictory. But that's what most of them try to do. So, most of them lose by contradicting themselves.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

So how about some examples of a jury  "striking down a law".  

That's not how it works.

Congress (or state lawmakers) make laws.  If they want to get rid of a law, they have to pass a bill,

Judges interpret the laws.

Executive branch enforces the laws....wait you learn better from youtube videos...I have two perfect videos for you, please watch:  

3 Ring Government - Schoolhouse Rock
I'm just a bill - Schoolhouse Rock

Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right? 

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

[paxmao]

So, if Trump wanted to avoid being criminally charged, he should have switched the court over to the Common Law side. The way to do it is to stand as a man, present, and not represented (no attorneys)... and make the statement that any man/woman who has been wronged by him should get on the stand, show the wrong, and "I will compensate him/her." So, it is Trumps fault for not swinging the whole thing into common law, and holding it there.

This doesn't work.   It's been tried.

The judge would just deny his stupid request like all the stupid requests he's made before.  All the appellate courts would decline to intervene, including SCOTUS.  If your theory worked, nobody would ever be prosecuted by DOJ for breaking federal laws. It wouldn't be a secret nobody knew about.  It would just take one successful case, and then everyone would do it.

The reason it doesn't work most of the time is that the so-called defendant didn't go far enough. A man/woman can't accept being the defendant, and stand unrepresented at the same time. The two are contradictory. But that's what most of them try to do. So, most of them lose by contradicting themselves.

Thank you for proving my point... well, several of my points. You forgot the part of my quote which says, "... with relation to the court circumstances to which they allow themselves to be called." It's only when a large number of juries strike down a law that SCOTUS will be called to strike down the law for the whole country. Other than that, the law is stricken for the court case to which the jury has been called, and so strikes it.

So how about some examples of a jury  "striking down a law".  

That's not how it works.

Congress (or state lawmakers) make laws.  If they want to get rid of a law, they have to pass a bill,

Judges interpret the laws.

Executive branch enforces the laws....wait you learn better from youtube videos...I have two perfect videos for you, please watch:  

3 Ring Government - Schoolhouse Rock
I'm just a bill - Schoolhouse Rock

Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right? 

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

Yes, that is what he is doing.

In reality, dumbass BA thinks that a popular jury with 12 people will just say that Trump is innocent just because it is Trump. If that's where all the hopes of these people lie as of now, it is certainly a sign of how badly things are going for Trump in the legal front.

Anyway, in the end Trump may end up having his fate in the hands of the Supreme Court, some of them appointed by him. I think they may try to find some fine grain justification to say he is all right. I wonder how creative they may become on such justification.

[BADecker]

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Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right?  

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

Not at all. But you seem to be confusing what I said with both, striking down laws, and jury nullification.

If the law in a school zone is 15mph, and a driver drives through at 120mph, and a cop pulls him over and it goes to court in a jury trial, the jury can strike down the law with regard to the driver so that he gets off totally free. Generally a jury won't do this, because the jury has friends and family with kids going to the school. But they can do it if they want, even if there is no good reason. It's up to them, totally. This does not strike down the law for anybody else, however. For every other person who breaks this law, it's a totally new court case.

If, however, there are bunches of people who drive 120mph through this school zone, and the juries for most of them declare these drivers innocent, the city or state just might change the law so that the speed limit for this school zone is no longer only 15mph. The reason might be that it's an old, condemned school that is not being used, and has a chain link fence around it, and the school zone speed limit SHOULD be removed.

The point is that the jury rules in a trial-by-jury court case. In general, when they strike down a law, it's for that court case only, not for the whole country... although other court decisions might base themselves on this one to some extent.

[paxmao]

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Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right?  

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

Not at all. But you seem to be confusing what I said with both, striking down laws, and jury nullification.

If the law in a school zone is 15mph, and a driver drives through at 120mph, and a cop pulls him over and it goes to court in a jury trial, the jury can strike down the law with regard to the driver so that he gets off totally free. Generally a jury won't do this, because the jury has friends and family with kids going to the school. But they can do it if they want, even if there is no good reason. It's up to them, totally. This does not strike down the law for anybody else, however. For every other person who breaks this law, it's a totally new court case.

If, however, there are bunches of people who drive 120mph through this school zone, and the juries for most of them declare these drivers innocent, the city or state just might change the law so that the speed limit for this school zone is no longer only 15mph. The reason might be that it's an old, condemned school that is not being used, and has a chain link fence around it, and the school zone speed limit SHOULD be removed.

The point is that the jury rules in a trial-by-jury court case. In general, when they strike down a law, it's for that court case only, not for the whole country... although other court decisions might base themselves on this one to some extent.

First of all, nothing of what you says in the constitution, at most is your interpretation or something coming from some shitty YouTube channel, probably paid for by Ruzzia and what you call "strike down a law" is simply "ignoring the law" dumbass.

So I am guessing right, you are banking on a jury declaring Trump innocent because it is Trump, and that has to happen for the tens of felonies that he is now indicted for - so any future president will know that it is ok to send murdering mobs, rant about judges, ...  Trump is the example of how liberties can be abused.

And, let's not forget, calling the army to kill their own citizens protesting:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/bender-book-trump-milley-protests/index.html

he top US general repeatedly pushed back on then-President Donald Trump’s argument that the military should intervene violently in order to quell the civil unrest that erupted around the country last year.

So much for liberty.

[BADecker]

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Not at all. But you seem to be confusing what I said with both, striking down laws, and jury nullification.

If the law in a school zone is 15mph, and a driver drives through at 120mph, and a cop pulls him over and it goes to court in a jury trial, the jury can strike down the law with regard to the driver so that he gets off totally free. Generally a jury won't do this, because the jury has friends and family with kids going to the school. But they can do it if they want, even if there is no good reason. It's up to them, totally. This does not strike down the law for anybody else, however. For every other person who breaks this law, it's a totally new court case.

If, however, there are bunches of people who drive 120mph through this school zone, and the juries for most of them declare these drivers innocent, the city or state just might change the law so that the speed limit for this school zone is no longer only 15mph. The reason might be that it's an old, condemned school that is not being used, and has a chain link fence around it, and the school zone speed limit SHOULD be removed.

The point is that the jury rules in a trial-by-jury court case. In general, when they strike down a law, it's for that court case only, not for the whole country... although other court decisions might base themselves on this one to some extent.

First of all, nothing of what you says in the constitution, at most is your interpretation or something coming from some shitty YouTube channel, probably paid for by Ruzzia and what you call "strike down a law" is simply "ignoring the law" dumbass.

So I am guessing right, you are banking on a jury declaring Trump innocent because it is Trump, and that has to happen for the tens of felonies that he is now indicted for - so any future president will know that it is ok to send murdering mobs, rant about judges, ...  Trump is the example of how liberties can be abused.

And, let's not forget, calling the army to kill their own citizens protesting:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/bender-book-trump-milley-protests/index.html

he top US general repeatedly pushed back on then-President Donald Trump’s argument that the military should intervene violently in order to quell the civil unrest that erupted around the country last year.

So much for liberty.

I agree that people are and have been dumbed down regarding the ways they can use the Constitution and the laws. But I showed you a little of what the 6th and 7th Amendment say. And you even quoted them, but forgot to consider what they say. The Amendments are part of the Constitution.

Because of the way the people have been trained by the 'Perry Mason' show, and by the courts, themselves, it will be difficult for them to use the full law as they could if they simply knew how. So, let me explain it to you simply.

In the US, there are three basic things regarding the standard populace. They are written into the Constitution, underlying the whole thing:
1. The right to contract;
1. The right to own private property, including themselves;
3. The right to influence government in certain ways.
Everything that goes on in the country flows out of those 3 things. If it doesn't, it is criminal activity... sometimes by the general populace, and other times by government people.

All you need to do is read the Constitution, the laws, and the court cases, to see this. Of course, simply reading that stuff doesn't do anything. You have to think. And like many Americans, the evidence is that you are finding that thinking is difficult for you.

[paxmao]

....

All you need to do is read the Constitution, the laws, and the court cases, to see this. Of course, simply reading that stuff doesn't do anything. You have to think. And like many Americans, the evidence is that you are finding that thinking is difficult for you.

...

Hey BA, look, someone in Colorado must have read the US Constitution...
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/takeaways-trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Colorado’s historic ruling that Trump is ineligible for office based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’

The Colorado Supreme Court made history Tuesday with an unprecedented, freeze-in-your-tracks ruling that former President Donald Trump is constitutionally ineligible to run in 2024 because the 14th Amendment’s ban on insurrectionists holding public office covers his conduct on January 6, 2021.

[...]

All eyes are now on the US Supreme Court — which is posed to play a major role in the 2024 election as it grapples with a series of major Trump —related cases.

So Trump is not, as of now, in the primaries for Colorado, which is not that much... except that similar cases are filled all over the US.

[Hispo]

....

All you need to do is read the Constitution, the laws, and the court cases, to see this. Of course, simply reading that stuff doesn't do anything. You have to think. And like many Americans, the evidence is that you are finding that thinking is difficult for you.

...

Hey BA, look, someone in Colorado must have read the US Constitution...
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/takeaways-trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Colorado’s historic ruling that Trump is ineligible for office based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’

The Colorado Supreme Court made history Tuesday with an unprecedented, freeze-in-your-tracks ruling that former President Donald Trump is constitutionally ineligible to run in 2024 because the 14th Amendment’s ban on insurrectionists holding public office covers his conduct on January 6, 2021.

[...]

All eyes are now on the US Supreme Court — which is posed to play a major role in the 2024 election as it grapples with a series of major Trump —related cases.

So Trump is not, as of now, in the primaries for Colorado, which is not that much... except that similar cases are filled all over the US.

There could be other several states to try to pull off this, but let us be realistic. This legal issue on whether Trump is elegible to run for the charge of President of the United States again is going to be brought up to the Supreme Court itself sooner or later, and keeping in mind the political position of this SCOTUS, is almost guaranteed they are going to rule in favor of Trump.
In the midtime, these attempts to disqualify Trump from running for the presidency will likely just increase his popularity and polls numbers, in the same way it has already happen with all the indictments in the several jurisdictions he has been processed.
It has not even been a day yet and I already see a lot of people (most of them republicans) doing a very serious deal of this. (Well,.it is indeed serious and historical).
Even if the supreme court of the USA was not so obviously in favor of conservative ideas, it would take a lot of courage to rule against a leading candidate in a case like this, which could easily create civil unrest and get people killed.
Whatever happens, the people of the United States needs to wield their vote with wisdom.

[paxmao]

....

All you need to do is read the Constitution, the laws, and the court cases, to see this. Of course, simply reading that stuff doesn't do anything. You have to think. And like many Americans, the evidence is that you are finding that thinking is difficult for you.

...

Hey BA, look, someone in Colorado must have read the US Constitution...
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/takeaways-trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Colorado’s historic ruling that Trump is ineligible for office based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’

The Colorado Supreme Court made history Tuesday with an unprecedented, freeze-in-your-tracks ruling that former President Donald Trump is constitutionally ineligible to run in 2024 because the 14th Amendment’s ban on insurrectionists holding public office covers his conduct on January 6, 2021.

[...]

All eyes are now on the US Supreme Court — which is posed to play a major role in the 2024 election as it grapples with a series of major Trump —related cases.

So Trump is not, as of now, in the primaries for Colorado, which is not that much... except that similar cases are filled all over the US.

There could be other several states to try to pull off this, but let us be realistic. This legal issue on whether Trump is elegible to run for the charge of President of the United States again is going to be brought up to the Supreme Court itself sooner or later, and keeping in mind the political position of this SCOTUS, is almost guaranteed they are going to rule in favor of Trump.
In the midtime, these attempts to disqualify Trump from running for the presidency will likely just increase his popularity and polls numbers, in the same way it has already happen with all the indictments in the several jurisdictions he has been processed.
It has not even been a day yet and I already see a lot of people (most of them republicans) doing a very serious deal of this. (Well,.it is indeed serious and historical).
Even if the supreme court of the USA was not so obviously in favor of conservative ideas, it would take a lot of courage to rule against a leading candidate in a case like this, which could easily create civil unrest and get people killed.
Whatever happens, the people of the United States needs to wield their vote with wisdom.

Is not that some states will try, it is that the motions are already filled in many states:

Lawsuits challenging Trump's candidacy have been filed in more than 25 states ahead of the 2024 election,

I said that a few posts ago, it will end up in the SCOTUS, but you are too convinced that they are going to be ok with Trump running. My view:

Firstly, judges do not like to be cowed, threatened, called names and told what to do - and Trump has been doing a lot of that. In SCOTUS their appointments are for life, that gives them certain freedom.

Secondly, judges are about the law and order. In US an even in places that are not democratic... it is just why they are there. I am not sure how keen they are on letting a murdering mob sent to the Capitol be equal to nothing. If Trump is allowed, I do not see why the next ones cannot be anyone unhappy with the next election.

Lastly, there are many judges appointed by Bush, one by Biden, another by Obama,...  I would not take for granted that the Bush appointed ones will support Trumps behaviour -  and they are going to be deciding as the Trump appointees and the dems appointees are pretty much balanced. They could decide to close the Trump era and free the Republicans from his dictatorship - I am sure Trump is not the Bush's preferred candidate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-04-20/george-w-bush-condemns-the-trump-era-republican-party

The former president didn’t criticize his successor by name, but he said in a rare interview that his party has become ‘isolationist, protectionist and, to a certain extent, nativist.’

There seems to be an interest in equalling mobs to democracy and freedom to the "right to ignore the laws". This is the product of years of mis-education and frustration with the system that is failing many people in the US (Yes BA, that's you dumbass, the frustrated and mis-educated best example).

[BADecker]

~

There could be other several states to try to pull off this, but let us be realistic. This legal issue on whether Trump is elegible to run for the charge of President of the United States again is going to be brought up to the Supreme Court itself sooner or later, and keeping in mind the political position of this SCOTUS, is almost guaranteed they are going to rule in favor of Trump.
In the midtime, these attempts to disqualify Trump from running for the presidency will likely just increase his popularity and polls numbers, in the same way it has already happen with all the indictments in the several jurisdictions he has been processed.
It has not even been a day yet and I already see a lot of people (most of them republicans) doing a very serious deal of this. (Well,.it is indeed serious and historical).
Even if the supreme court of the USA was not so obviously in favor of conservative ideas, it would take a lot of courage to rule against a leading candidate in a case like this, which could easily create civil unrest and get people killed.
Whatever happens, the people of the United States needs to wield their vote with wisdom.

Is not that some states will try, it is that the motions are already filled in many states:

Lawsuits challenging Trump's candidacy have been filed in more than 25 states ahead of the 2024 election,

I said that a few posts ago, it will end up in the SCOTUS, but you are too convinced that they are going to be ok with Trump running. My view:

Firstly, judges do not like to be cowed, threatened, called names and told what to do - and Trump has been doing a lot of that. In SCOTUS their appointments are for life, that gives them certain freedom.

Secondly, judges are about the law and order. In US an even in places that are not democratic... it is just why they are there. I am not sure how keen they are on letting a murdering mob sent to the Capitol be equal to nothing. If Trump is allowed, I do not see why the next ones cannot be anyone unhappy with the next election.

Lastly, there are many judges appointed by Bush, one by Biden, another by Obama,...  I would not take for granted that the Bush appointed ones will support Trumps behaviour -  and they are going to be deciding as the Trump appointees and the dems appointees are pretty much balanced. They could decide to close the Trump era and free the Republicans from his dictatorship - I am sure Trump is not the Bush's preferred candidate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-04-20/george-w-bush-condemns-the-trump-era-republican-party

The former president didn’t criticize his successor by name, but he said in a rare interview that his party has become ‘isolationist, protectionist and, to a certain extent, nativist.’

There seems to be an interest in equalling mobs to democracy and freedom to the "right to ignore the laws". This is the product of years of mis-education and frustration with the system that is failing many people in the US (Yes BA, that's you dumbass, the frustrated and mis-educated best example).

The States must have write-in places on their ballots.

The States are not necessarily the people. Rather, they are the so-called leaders.

If the people are not allowed to have their vote counted, there is election interference.

There is a long time,yet, before the elections. The corrupt State leaders are doing this against the will of many of their people. That's why they are doing it now... to see what will happen, rather than waiting until the last minute, and getting hurt by doing something that the Federal Supreme Court might consider illegal.

The people are getting fed up with the Dem and RINO leaders. They saw the good that Trump did while in office. And they see the mess that the Dem elect Biden has done.

Trump is now 'MORE likely to beat Biden' after Colorado ruling: - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12885509/trump-beat-biden-colorado-disqualification-supreme-court-decision.html.

This will backfire on State leaders who have done this.


Colorado Supreme Court launches actual INSURRECTION against America with election de-platforming of Donald J. Trump


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-12-20-colorado-supreme-court-launches-actual-insurrection-against-america-election-de-platforming-trump.html
The following is a partial transcript of Brighteon Broadcast News for December 20, 2023, covering the breaking Colorado Supreme Court decision that deprives voters any ability to vote for Donald J. Trump for any political office. The full broadcast and interview will be found at this link: Brighteon.com/channels/hrreport

We now have an actual insurrection in America, with the traitors leading the charge from the Supreme Court of the state of Colorado. Welcome to today's broadcast of Brighteon Broadcast News. I'm Mike Adams. It's Wednesday, December 20 2023. And the biggest breaking news probably in the world right now is that the Supreme Court of Colorado has declared, completely outside of due process, they have declared that President Trump is guilty of insurrection, and therefore he is disqualified from even appearing on the ballot for the President of the United States in the state of Colorado.

So in one decision, the clearly treasonous insurrectionist Supreme Court of the state of Colorado has declared that the voters of Colorado have no right to choose Donald J. Trump to represent them as president. This is extraordinary. And this is the tip of the iceberg of the real insurrection that is taking place in America right now. By the way, also today, I have an amazing interview for you with Dr. Michael Nehls. He's the author of an extraordinary book that we have to talk about here. This book is called The Indoctrinated Brain, how to successfully fend off the global attack on your mental freedom. This book is amazing, and the interview with Dr. Nels was also amazing. He's an MD and a PhD. He's an expert in human neurology and brain disorders and mental health and so on.

What's also amazing, I did three interviews today. I also interviewed Liz Gunn, who is the journalist and attorney who helped blow the whistle for Barry Young, the New Zealand database administrator who is now facing prison time for telling the truth about how vaccines were killing New Zealanders. I'll play that tomorrow. And then I did the third interview today with another extraordinary man, a Qigong master, an author, someone who's an expert in what's called personal energy prepping. Francesco is his first time and we're gonna play that interview real soon. But I gotta say, it was probably the best day of triple interviews that I can remember. You've got to hear this interview with Dr. Nehls, who is German. This is coming up here today. And it's quite fitting, by the way based on today's news, which is, of course all about the assault on your mental freedom and the psyops that are being run against us by the establishment.

Trump the victim of "election de-platforming" - a form of political censorship that should be utterly intolerable in a so-called "democracy"

...

Democrats are terrified of allowing the American people to vote
...

[paxmao]

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The States must have write-in places on their ballots.

The States are not necessarily the people. Rather, they are the so-called leaders.

If the people are not allowed to have their vote counted, there is election interference.

There is a long time,yet, before the elections. The corrupt State leaders are doing this against the will of many of their people. That's why they are doing it now... to see what will happen, rather than waiting until the last minute, and getting hurt by doing something that the Federal Supreme Court might consider illegal.

The people are getting fed up with the Dem and RINO leaders. They saw the good that Trump did while in office. And they see the mess that the Dem elect Biden has done.

Trump is now 'MORE likely to beat Biden' after Colorado ruling: - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12885509/trump-beat-biden-colorado-disqualification-supreme-court-decision.html.

This will backfire on State leaders who have done this.




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The following is a partial transcript of Brighteon Broadcast News for December 20, 2023, covering the breaking Colorado Supreme Court decision that deprives voters any ability to vote for Donald J. Trump for any political office.
...

Trump the victim of "election de-platforming" - a form of political censorship that should be utterly intolerable in a so-called "democracy"

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Democrats are terrified of allowing the American people to vote
...

The usual play: Trump breaks the law and when there are consequences he plays the victim.

Trump has been declared an insurrectionist for sending a murdering mob to kill his political opponents. He is the only one who has excluded himself from the system by organising this.

Trump is the one who tried to make the votes of millions of democrat null and overtake the government of the US via a coup. It is as simple as that. You should not be allowed to try it twice.

https://youtu.be/b3_O91gyj9o?t=382



What are they saying here BA? what is it they want?

https://youtu.be/b3_O91gyj9o?t=526

Because it seems to me that they are either asking to hugh Nacy Pelosi or they want to take her for walk.

The Supreme Court of Colorado has simply given a verdict. You may call them whatever, they are not running for POTUS.

[BADecker]

^^^ Since Trump didn't do what you claim, above, what is happening is obvious. And it seems you are in favor of it... paxmao the world conqueror.

Below is why we need people like Alex Jones to show us what is really going on.


EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship...


https://banned.video/watch?id=65839589d73929b3eee2c3d0
EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship in America! This Coup Is Not Just Against Trump But the American People's Right to Elect Who They Want to Represent Them! — WEDNESDAY 12/20/23

Legal scholars across the political spectrum agree: Trump could not be barred from being on the ballot unless he had been convicted of insurrection. President Trump has been convicted of nothing! This fraudulent action convicts the Deep State of openly attempting to steal the 2024 election!
...

[paxmao]

^^^ Since Trump didn't do what you claim, above, what is happening is obvious. And it seems you are in favor of it... paxmao the world conqueror.

Below is why we need people like Alex Jones to show us what is really going on.


[EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship...



EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship in America! This Coup Is Not Just Against Trump But the American People's Right to Elect Who They Want to Represent Them! — WEDNESDAY 12/20/23

Legal scholars across the political spectrum agree: Trump could not be barred from being on the ballot unless he had been convicted of insurrection. President Trump has been convicted of nothing! This fraudulent action convicts the Deep State of openly attempting to steal the 2024 election!
...

Go to kindergaten and learn to read.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220583273/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ruling

"We do not reach these conclusions lightly. We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law, without fear or favor, and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach."

A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

... More specifically, they asserted that he was ineligible under Section Three because he engaged in insurrection on January 6, 2021, after swearing an oath as President to support the U.S. Constitution.

Congress does not need to pass implementing legislation for Section Three’s disqualification provision to attach, and Section Three is, in that sense, self-executing.

The district court did not err in concluding that the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, constituted an “insurrection.”

On December 14, 2020, the Electoral College officially confirmed the results: 306 electoral votes for President Biden; 232 for President Trump. President Trump continued to challenge the outcome, both in the courts and in the media.

President Trump held a rally that morning at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. at which he, along with several others, spoke to the attendees. In his speech, which began around noon, President Trump persisted in rejecting the election results, telling his supporters that “[w]e won in a landslide” and “we will never concede.” He urged his supporters to “confront this egregious assault on our democracy”; “walk down to the Capitol . . . [and] show strength”; and that if they did not “fight like hell, [they would] not . . . have a country anymore.”

That is an armed assault, with the intent of overturn an election, resulting in the killing of several officers and a grave danger to the lives of Trumps political opponents.

This is not freedom, this is not "free man" crap, this is a mob overturning a democracy, get it into your head dumbass. You are the people trying to get a dictator into the White House, you are not defending "freedom" you are actually alienating the freedom of millions of voters of the democrat party.

[BADecker]

^^^ Since Trump didn't do what you claim, above, what is happening is obvious. And it seems you are in favor of it... paxmao the world conqueror.

Below is why we need people like Alex Jones to show us what is really going on.


[EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship...



EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship in America! This Coup Is Not Just Against Trump But the American People's Right to Elect Who They Want to Represent Them! — WEDNESDAY 12/20/23

Legal scholars across the political spectrum agree: Trump could not be barred from being on the ballot unless he had been convicted of insurrection. President Trump has been convicted of nothing! This fraudulent action convicts the Deep State of openly attempting to steal the 2024 election!
...

Go to kindergaten and learn to read.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220583273/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ruling

"We do not reach these conclusions lightly. We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law, without fear or favor, and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach."

A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

... More specifically, they asserted that he was ineligible under Section Three because he engaged in insurrection on January 6, 2021, after swearing an oath as President to support the U.S. Constitution.

Congress does not need to pass implementing legislation for Section Three’s disqualification provision to attach, and Section Three is, in that sense, self-executing.

The district court did not err in concluding that the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, constituted an “insurrection.”

On December 14, 2020, the Electoral College officially confirmed the results: 306 electoral votes for President Biden; 232 for President Trump. President Trump continued to challenge the outcome, both in the courts and in the media.

President Trump held a rally that morning at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. at which he, along with several others, spoke to the attendees. In his speech, which began around noon, President Trump persisted in rejecting the election results, telling his supporters that “[w]e won in a landslide” and “we will never concede.” He urged his supporters to “confront this egregious assault on our democracy”; “walk down to the Capitol . . . [and] show strength”; and that if they did not “fight like hell, [they would] not . . . have a country anymore.”

That is an armed assault, with the intent of overturn an election, resulting in the killing of several officers and a grave danger to the lives of Trumps political opponents.

This is not freedom, this is not "free man" crap, this is a mob overturning a democracy, get it into your head dumbass. You are the people trying to get a dictator into the White House, you are not defending "freedom" you are actually alienating the freedom of millions of voters of the democrat party.

Reading and reading between the lines are two different things.

Anybody can write all kinds of things. Take a look at the science fiction that is written here - https://www.luminist.org/archives/. Sure, there might be a little truth in some of it. But if you want to gain anything of value, you need to read between the lines.

Regarding Trump and the situation in the US, you need to read between the lines to understand what is really going on. To say it plainly, all the things that Trump is being accused of, are exactly the things that the current administration is doing... including the Trump accusations and trials... and doing a lot more than Trump would/could ever think of doing. If he even thought like they are accusing him, he wouldn't be in this mess, because he would have figured a way out ahead of time.

You are kinda fun, though. So, I hope it doesn't hurt you too much when things straighten themselves out again.

[paxmao]

^^^ Since Trump didn't do what you claim, above, what is happening is obvious. And it seems you are in favor of it... paxmao the world conqueror.

Below is why we need people like Alex Jones to show us what is really going on.


[EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship...



EMERGENCY BROADCAST: The Democratic Party Is Officially Establishing A Permanent Dictatorship in America! This Coup Is Not Just Against Trump But the American People's Right to Elect Who They Want to Represent Them! — WEDNESDAY 12/20/23

Legal scholars across the political spectrum agree: Trump could not be barred from being on the ballot unless he had been convicted of insurrection. President Trump has been convicted of nothing! This fraudulent action convicts the Deep State of openly attempting to steal the 2024 election!
...

Go to kindergaten and learn to read.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220583273/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ruling

"We do not reach these conclusions lightly. We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law, without fear or favor, and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach."

A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

... More specifically, they asserted that he was ineligible under Section Three because he engaged in insurrection on January 6, 2021, after swearing an oath as President to support the U.S. Constitution.

Congress does not need to pass implementing legislation for Section Three’s disqualification provision to attach, and Section Three is, in that sense, self-executing.

The district court did not err in concluding that the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, constituted an “insurrection.”

On December 14, 2020, the Electoral College officially confirmed the results: 306 electoral votes for President Biden; 232 for President Trump. President Trump continued to challenge the outcome, both in the courts and in the media.

President Trump held a rally that morning at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. at which he, along with several others, spoke to the attendees. In his speech, which began around noon, President Trump persisted in rejecting the election results, telling his supporters that “[w]e won in a landslide” and “we will never concede.” He urged his supporters to “confront this egregious assault on our democracy”; “walk down to the Capitol . . . [and] show strength”; and that if they did not “fight like hell, [they would] not . . . have a country anymore.”

That is an armed assault, with the intent of overturn an election, resulting in the killing of several officers and a grave danger to the lives of Trumps political opponents.

This is not freedom, this is not "free man" crap, this is a mob overturning a democracy, get it into your head dumbass. You are the people trying to get a dictator into the White House, you are not defending "freedom" you are actually alienating the freedom of millions of voters of the democrat party.

Reading and reading between the lines are two different things.

Anybody can write all kinds of things. Take a look at the science fiction that is written here - https://www.luminist.org/archives/. Sure, there might be a little truth in some of it. But if you want to gain anything of value, you need to read between the lines.

Regarding Trump and the situation in the US, you need to read between the lines to understand what is really going on. To say it plainly, all the things that Trump is being accused of, are exactly the things that the current administration is doing... including the Trump accusations and trials... and doing a lot more than Trump would/could ever think of doing. If he even thought like they are accusing him, he wouldn't be in this mess, because he would have figured a way out ahead of time.

You are kinda fun, though. So, I hope it doesn't hurt you too much when things straighten themselves out again.

Is not "anyone" dumbass, it is the Colorado Supreme Court. I know you are in the business of making any opinion or view count the same, but they are not. These are people who actually not only can read - which gives them an advantage over you - they have devoted their lives to understanding the law. You are not even a fly compared to them.

You do not need to read between the lines. Trump sent a murdering mob to the Capitol, it is recorded, it is illegal and in any other country he would be facing life sentence or death penalty.

did anyone force trump to send a violent mob to the Capitol? did anyone told him to interrupt a legal process, killing police in their way?

We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore

We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen, I'm not going to let it happen.

And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.

So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.

[BADecker]

~

Reading and reading between the lines are two different things.

Anybody can write all kinds of things. Take a look at the science fiction that is written here - https://www.luminist.org/archives/. Sure, there might be a little truth in some of it. But if you want to gain anything of value, you need to read between the lines.

Regarding Trump and the situation in the US, you need to read between the lines to understand what is really going on. To say it plainly, all the things that Trump is being accused of, are exactly the things that the current administration is doing... including the Trump accusations and trials... and doing a lot more than Trump would/could ever think of doing. If he even thought like they are accusing him, he wouldn't be in this mess, because he would have figured a way out ahead of time.

You are kinda fun, though. So, I hope it doesn't hurt you too much when things straighten themselves out again.

Is not "anyone" dumbass, it is the Colorado Supreme Court. I know you are in the business of making any opinion or view count the same, but they are not. These are people who actually not only can read - which gives them an advantage over you - they have devoted their lives to understanding the law. You are not even a fly compared to them.

You do not need to read between the lines. Trump sent a murdering mob to the Capitol, it is recorded, it is illegal and in any other country he would be facing life sentence or death penalty.

Now relax. Someday you might even figure out that Trump hasn't been found guilty. You also might even figure out that there will be appeals if he is. And you don't even have to read between the lines to understand that this a Dem Colorado Supreme Court, which is against Trump simply because he is Republican. AND, their action is election interference, even if Trump is found guilty.

The Dems are running out of options. So, they are even willing to incriminate themselves just to attempt to keep Trump out of office.

If you really want to see how good Trump is as President, watch the two videos here http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/355556-2023-12-22-two-trump-speeches-to-the-united-nations.htm. Or do you simply like to blab, blab, blab?

[paxmao]

~

Reading and reading between the lines are two different things.

Anybody can write all kinds of things. Take a look at the science fiction that is written here - https://www.luminist.org/archives/. Sure, there might be a little truth in some of it. But if you want to gain anything of value, you need to read between the lines.

Regarding Trump and the situation in the US, you need to read between the lines to understand what is really going on. To say it plainly, all the things that Trump is being accused of, are exactly the things that the current administration is doing... including the Trump accusations and trials... and doing a lot more than Trump would/could ever think of doing. If he even thought like they are accusing him, he wouldn't be in this mess, because he would have figured a way out ahead of time.

You are kinda fun, though. So, I hope it doesn't hurt you too much when things straighten themselves out again.

Is not "anyone" dumbass, it is the Colorado Supreme Court. I know you are in the business of making any opinion or view count the same, but they are not. These are people who actually not only can read - which gives them an advantage over you - they have devoted their lives to understanding the law. You are not even a fly compared to them.

You do not need to read between the lines. Trump sent a murdering mob to the Capitol, it is recorded, it is illegal and in any other country he would be facing life sentence or death penalty.

Now relax. Someday you might even figure out that Trump hasn't been found guilty. You also might even figure out that there will be appeals if he is. And you don't even have to read between the lines to understand that this a Dem Colorado Supreme Court, which is against Trump simply because he is Republican. AND, their action is election interference, even if Trump is found guilty.

The Dems are running out of options. So, they are even willing to incriminate themselves just to attempt to keep Trump out of office.

If you really want to see how good Trump is as President, watch the two videos here [link to a fake news outlet removed] Or do you simply like to blab, blab, blab?

It is irrelevant if he was or not good. You run over a kid driving drunk - you go jail, even if you are Mother Theresa (not the case anyway).

I am aware there'll be appeals. I am aware that it is difficult that Judges elected by Republicans can actually do what is right in the US Supreme Court. They may choose to take the opportunity to open a new era for Republicans and that would be a good outcome. In any case, Biden is such a weak rival that probably anyone can beat the guy, so Trump is not really needed for the Reps - let's see if they can figure that out.

I know you are not going to read the Colorado ruling, probably not even the first page of the 300 odd... the ruling does have minority opinions - Some of the judges were not happy with the verdict, you will be glad to know.

However, you know what was their argument? None of them said Trump is not an insurrectionist. None of them disputed that Trump send a mob to interrupt democracy. They simply said that the court had no jurisdiction on deciding on "qualification to be a president" (in a much more elaborated fashion of course).

Oh, I forgot,... you are a dumbass publishing links to shit. Have you own view, do you think the Supreme court will say that it is ok what he did, so that anyone can do it too? Or will they just try to remove themselves from the equation saying "we cannot judge on this" - with the same result, anyone can send a mob to the Capitol and it is ok.

My bet is that none of those judges would choose to be in their seats on this one.

There is in any case a massive flaw to Trump's claims on the elections. If the case were so clear and there would be so many testimonies and evidence, someone in the judiciary, somewhere... I mean in any place at all... would have called for at least an investigation of short. There is nothing. Trumps knows it, you know it, most republicans know it. It is just the perfect excuse to stick to a looser - "he is not a looser".

[BADecker]

Even poor blacks understand that the Dems are doing criminal activity in their attempt to take down the guy who will take down the Dem's criminal world.


The Rise Of Black Support For Trump


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rise-black-support-trump
But others are becoming louder and prouder in voicing support for former President Donald Trump.

Mark Fisher, co-founder of a Black Lives Matter (BLM) group in Rhode Island, made waves recently with his endorsement of the former president.

"I knew I was going to pay a price for it," Mr. Fisher told The Epoch Times, "but I felt like the benefit of doing it far outweighed the cost of me playing it safe."

Mr. Fisher said he felt obligated "to clear a path" for those who think the way he does.

He and other pro-Trump black people are considered renegades.

That's partly because President Trump's foes have tried to brand him as a racist unworthy of votes from black Americans. But it's also because he's a Republican.

For generations, black leaders and churches have encouraged black people to vote for Democrats, including President Joe Biden.

But the tide seems to be turning. Opinion polls are showing that more black people are willing to break rank, as Mr. Fisher did.

Since President Trump's win in 2016, black support for him has more than tripled, now exceeding 20 percent in some surveys.

Polling suggests that black people and other minorities who once spurned President Trump now appear willing to give his candidacy a fresh look—a trend that could help spell the difference between victory and defeat in the 2024 election.

The Biden campaign didn't respond to a request for comment.

Three main factors appear to be spurring black people to pivot toward President Trump, according to Mr. Fisher and others who spoke to The Epoch Times: the economy, the criminal justice system, and the influence of other black people going public with their support.

Blacks for Trump are on fire outside the Fulton County Jail.
...

[paxmao]

Even poor blacks understand that the Dems are doing criminal activity in their attempt to take down the guy who will take down the Dem's criminal world.
...

...
But others are becoming louder and prouder in voicing support for former President Donald Trump.

Mark Fisher, co-founder of a Black Lives Matter (BLM) group in Rhode Island, made waves recently with his endorsement of the former president.

...

Blacks for Trump are on fire outside the Fulton County Jail.
...

Another mob then? does Trump know amything better than to promote violence from his supporters? Was the attack on the Capitol not enough? The beating of political oponents in their homes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi

On October 28, 2022, David DePape, radicalized by far-right conspiracy theories,[6] attacked Paul Pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of Nancy Pelosi, the 52nd Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. He beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer during a home invasion of the couple's Pacific Heights, San Francisco residence, leaving him seriously injured. Pelosi required surgery for a fractured skull.

The Trump mafia working at 100% ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12898493/FBI-investigates-threats-Colorado-judges-trump-ballot.html#:~:text=The%20judges%20have%20been%20the,kill%20these%20f--kers%27.

The judges have been the targets of vicious online threats since the vote, with law enforcement officials saying they are investigating aggressive telephone and social media messages.

Messages posted online have been violent with one reading: 'This ends when we kill these f--kers'.

This is why Trump cannot be no more. This mob-crazy, the government by an organised criminal organisation ready to exert violence and coercion against a peaceful majority of US citizens trying to be law abiding fellows. And anyone is now going to question why Trump is being investigated under the RICO act, designed for mafias? How is this different from Escobar or Al Capone?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/law-enforcement-colorado-justices-threats/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/trump-colorado-supreme-court-justices-death-threats

Colorado supreme court justices face death threats after Trump ruling
Report finds ‘significant violent rhetoric’ against justices and Democrats online after ruling to exclude Trump from ballot

[BADecker]

Even poor blacks understand that the Dems are doing criminal activity in their attempt to take down the guy who will take down the Dem's criminal world.
...

...
But others are becoming louder and prouder in voicing support for former President Donald Trump.

Mark Fisher, co-founder of a Black Lives Matter (BLM) group in Rhode Island, made waves recently with his endorsement of the former president.

...

Blacks for Trump are on fire outside the Fulton County Jail.
...

Another mob then? does Trump know amything better than to promote violence from his supporters? Was the attack on the Capitol not enough? The beating of political oponents in their homes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi

On October 28, 2022, David DePape, radicalized by far-right conspiracy theories,[6] attacked Paul Pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of Nancy Pelosi, the 52nd Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. He beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer during a home invasion of the couple's Pacific Heights, San Francisco residence, leaving him seriously injured. Pelosi required surgery for a fractured skull.

The Trump mafia working at 100% ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12898493/FBI-investigates-threats-Colorado-judges-trump-ballot.html#:~:text=The%20judges%20have%20been%20the,kill%20these%20f--kers%27.

The judges have been the targets of vicious online threats since the vote, with law enforcement officials saying they are investigating aggressive telephone and social media messages.

Messages posted online have been violent with one reading: 'This ends when we kill these f--kers'.

This is why Trump cannot be no more. This mob-crazy, the government by an organised criminal organisation ready to exert violence and coercion against a peaceful majority of US citizens trying to be law abiding fellows. And anyone is now going to question why Trump is being investigated under the RICO act, designed for mafias? How is this different from Escobar or Al Capone?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/law-enforcement-colorado-justices-threats/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/trump-colorado-supreme-court-justices-death-threats

Colorado supreme court justices face death threats after Trump ruling
Report finds ‘significant violent rhetoric’ against justices and Democrats online after ruling to exclude Trump from ballot

It's these blacks, and other of their stripe, who are against mobs. They want to do things legally and peacefully. They are against the mob tactics, especially of the likes of BLM and Antifa... Soros appointees.

So, what about you? Seems that your violent and vehement comments are mob oriented. Are you paid by Soros? You wouldn't lie, now, would you?

[paxmao]

Even poor blacks understand that the Dems are doing criminal activity in their attempt to take down the guy who will take down the Dem's criminal world.
...

...
But others are becoming louder and prouder in voicing support for former President Donald Trump.

Mark Fisher, co-founder of a Black Lives Matter (BLM) group in Rhode Island, made waves recently with his endorsement of the former president.

...

Blacks for Trump are on fire outside the Fulton County Jail.
...

Another mob then? does Trump know amything better than to promote violence from his supporters? Was the attack on the Capitol not enough? The beating of political oponents in their homes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi

On October 28, 2022, David DePape, radicalized by far-right conspiracy theories,[6] attacked Paul Pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of Nancy Pelosi, the 52nd Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. He beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer during a home invasion of the couple's Pacific Heights, San Francisco residence, leaving him seriously injured. Pelosi required surgery for a fractured skull.

The Trump mafia working at 100% ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12898493/FBI-investigates-threats-Colorado-judges-trump-ballot.html#:~:text=The%20judges%20have%20been%20the,kill%20these%20f--kers%27.

The judges have been the targets of vicious online threats since the vote, with law enforcement officials saying they are investigating aggressive telephone and social media messages.

Messages posted online have been violent with one reading: 'This ends when we kill these f--kers'.

This is why Trump cannot be no more. This mob-crazy, the government by an organised criminal organisation ready to exert violence and coercion against a peaceful majority of US citizens trying to be law abiding fellows. And anyone is now going to question why Trump is being investigated under the RICO act, designed for mafias? How is this different from Escobar or Al Capone?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/law-enforcement-colorado-justices-threats/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/trump-colorado-supreme-court-justices-death-threats

Colorado supreme court justices face death threats after Trump ruling
Report finds ‘significant violent rhetoric’ against justices and Democrats online after ruling to exclude Trump from ballot

It's these blacks, and other of their stripe, who are against mobs. They want to do things legally and peacefully. They are against the mob tactics, especially of the likes of BLM and Antifa... Soros appointees.

So, what about you? Seems that your violent and vehement comments are mob oriented. Are you paid by Soros? You wouldn't lie, now, would you?

Lie? You mean like Trump is not being investigated with the RICO act? Like the links I post are not really there? Like the quotes I make from well documented public sources are false? You would need to be a bit more clear with which bits of my post you disagree with.

My posting is clearly making a point of NOT using mobs for political purposes. If you want to twist facts, you really need to be far more smart than the dumbass you are BA.

If you happen to know Soros, or for that matter anyone who is willing to pay me for posting more than my signature sponsor, please let me know. My sig is for sale, with minimal restrictions on content of course.

[BADecker]

~

It's these blacks, and other of their stripe, who are against mobs. They want to do things legally and peacefully. They are against the mob tactics, especially of the likes of BLM and Antifa... Soros appointees.

So, what about you? Seems that your violent and vehement comments are mob oriented. Are you paid by Soros? You wouldn't lie, now, would you?

Lie? You mean like Trump is not being investigated with the RICO act? Like the links I post are not really there? Like the quotes I make from well documented public sources are false? You would need to be a bit more clear with which bits of my post you disagree with.

My posting is clearly making a point of NOT using mobs for political purposes. If you want to twist facts, you really need to be far more smart than the dumbass you are BA.

If you happen to know Soros, or for that matter anyone who is willing to pay me for posting more than my signature sponsor, please let me know. My sig is for sale, with minimal restrictions on content of course.

What does blacks for Trump have to do with his being investigated? All it shows is that you like to focus on the little things. You complain about the fly in your bowl of soup, but swallow the camel.

[paxmao]

~

It's these blacks, and other of their stripe, who are against mobs. They want to do things legally and peacefully. They are against the mob tactics, especially of the likes of BLM and Antifa... Soros appointees.

So, what about you? Seems that your violent and vehement comments are mob oriented. Are you paid by Soros? You wouldn't lie, now, would you?

Lie? You mean like Trump is not being investigated with the RICO act? Like the links I post are not really there? Like the quotes I make from well documented public sources are false? You would need to be a bit more clear with which bits of my post you disagree with.

My posting is clearly making a point of NOT using mobs for political purposes. If you want to twist facts, you really need to be far more smart than the dumbass you are BA.

If you happen to know Soros, or for that matter anyone who is willing to pay me for posting more than my signature sponsor, please let me know. My sig is for sale, with minimal restrictions on content of course.

What does blacks for Trump have to do with his being investigated? ..

What does you shitpost have to do with the topic of this thread?

[BADecker]

~

What does blacks for Trump have to do with his being investigated? ..

What does you shitpost have to do with the topic of this thread?

What does your comment^^ even have to do with this thread?

As for me, how else can anyone logically comment to a shitpost thread? Blacks for Trump simply shows that blacks understand that the cases against Trump are anti-American rather than anti-Trump.

[Hispo]

~

What does blacks for Trump have to do with his being investigated? ..

What does you shitpost have to do with the topic of this thread?

What does your comment^^ even have to do with this thread?

As for me, how else can anyone logically comment to a shitpost thread? Blacks for Trump simply shows that blacks understand that the cases against Trump are anti-American rather than anti-Trump.

To be fair and even though I do not agree with most of the stuff Trump has done and said in his political career, I have indeed heard some left political commentators to point out there seems to have been some increasing support for Trump coming for Black people and also Hispanic people in the United States, I don't know they reasons so your guesses are as good as mine, but it is a phenomenon the Democrat party is not supposed to ignore if they actually plan or care to have a chance to Defeat Trump next year.

My personal theory is that there could be a percentage of Black people and Hispanic people who identify themselves as swing voters and have the impression democrat politicians have not paid attention or have not cared to stick to their previous campaign promises. Of course, polling can always be wrong, as these lastest elections have showed Republicans, but the Blue party is not supposed to sleep on the job when Democracy is at stake and their biggest for seems to accumulate more and more support.

[paxmao]

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What does blacks for Trump have to do with his being investigated? ..

What does you shitpost have to do with the topic of this thread?

What does your comment^^ even have to do with this thread?

As for me, how else can anyone logically comment to a shitpost thread? Blacks for Trump simply shows that blacks understand that the cases against Trump are anti-American rather than anti-Trump.

To be fair and even though I do not agree with most of the stuff Trump has done and said in his political career, I have indeed heard some left political commentators to point out there seems to have been some increasing support for Trump coming for Black people and also Hispanic people in the United States, I don't know they reasons so your guesses are as good as mine, but it is a phenomenon the Democrat party is not supposed to ignore if they actually plan or care to have a chance to Defeat Trump next year.

My personal theory is that there could be a percentage of Black people and Hispanic people who identify themselves as swing voters and have the impression democrat politicians have not paid attention or have not cared to stick to their previous campaign promises. Of course, polling can always be wrong, as these lastest elections have showed Republicans, but the Blue party is not supposed to sleep on the job when Democracy is at stake and their biggest for seems to accumulate more and more support.

Because they are desperate. It is not that Biden, the democrats or the republicans have failed them, it is that absolutely every single government has failed them. The convict population of black, Hispanic and other minorities in the US is disproportionately high, their economic class tend to be much lower than those of the white protestant background. They would vote for anyone promising any change.

The good thing is that Trump may soon get to know that convict population first hand. 

[BADecker]

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The good thing is that Trump may soon get to know that convict population first hand. 

If this happens, Trump will become a far greater martyr for the people than he has become already. It might get the people to finally act instead of relying on elected officials. I don't know if the Dems are willing to go that far.

[TwitchySeal]

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Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right?  

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

Not at all. But you seem to be confusing what I said with both, striking down laws, and jury nullification.

If the law in a school zone is 15mph, and a driver drives through at 120mph, and a cop pulls him over and it goes to court in a jury trial, the jury can strike down the law with regard to the driver so that he gets off totally free. Generally a jury won't do this, because the jury has friends and family with kids going to the school. But they can do it if they want, even if there is no good reason. It's up to them, totally. This does not strike down the law for anybody else, however. For every other person who breaks this law, it's a totally new court case.

If, however, there are bunches of people who drive 120mph through this school zone, and the juries for most of them declare these drivers innocent, the city or state just might change the law so that the speed limit for this school zone is no longer only 15mph. The reason might be that it's an old, condemned school that is not being used, and has a chain link fence around it, and the school zone speed limit SHOULD be removed.

The point is that the jury rules in a trial-by-jury court case. In general, when they strike down a law, it's for that court case only, not for the whole country... although other court decisions might base themselves on this one to some extent.

I think you're confusing fantasy land of make believe (Badeckerville) and reality.  But maybe I'm wrong.
Give me one example (in the real world, in a real federal or state criminal trial) of a jury "striking down a law".

[paxmao]

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The good thing is that Trump may soon get to know that convict population first hand.  

If this happens, Trump will become a far greater martyr for the people than he has become already. It might get the people to finally act instead of relying on elected officials. I don't know if the Dems are willing to go that far.

Finally, we have an agreement!! I am absolutely Ok with Trump being a martyr. The more martyr the better. Look, I can help you with a few suggestions of what you can do with him, if it works as an inspiration for you guys. Allow me to suggest he follows other famous martyr´s examples for your dumBAsstic benefit:

- Mandela: 27 (twenty seven) years in prison.
- Saint Peter: Crucified upside'down.



- Father Luis Jaime, killed by the Americans. The original ones, not the invasive white people.



And the last suggestion - but feel free to ask for more

Artemios was called to a military meeting with Julian where he witnessed and objected to abuse of Christians. He was tortured with red hot irons, and miraculously cured. Then he was taken to the Amphitheatre where there was a big stone broken in half, and was put on half stone and the other half was raised above him and released crushing Artemios. He was presumed dead, and left for a day. But he was still alive, broken boned, disembowelled, eyeless and remained unwilling to renounce his religion and Julian ordered his beheading.

[BADecker]

Just to show you how deep and dark the Deep State is, look at the things that are finally coming out about the Mar-a-Lago raid. Read the article at the below site. Read it slowly and thoughtfully, to understand how bad many of the agencies in the US government really are.

I know, I know. If you are blatantly, pointedly, dead set against Trump, you won't really care about how bad the FBI is. In your mind they are simply doing bad things so that good may result. Doesn't really make sense. But that's how some of you seem to think.


The DC Establishment Is Deeply Concerned That Trump May Have Copies Of His Declassified Binder


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dc-establishment-deeply-concerned-trump-may-have-copies-his-declassified-binder
According to CNN:

"A binder containing highly classified information related to Russian election interference went missing at the end of Donald Trump's presidency, raising alarms among intelligence officials that some of the most closely guarded national security secrets from the US and its allies could be exposed, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

"Its disappearance, which has not been previously reported, was so concerning that intelligence officials briefed Senate Intelligence Committee leaders last year about the missing materials and the government's efforts to retrieve them, the sources said.

"In the two-plus years since Trump left office, the missing intelligence does not appear to have been found."

All very breathless and conspiratorial sounding. Which, of course, is the entire point.

But the problem for CNN is that there never was any Russian collusion. It was all a giant hoax. Nor was there any real Russian election interference. No more so than any other year. And no more than what the United States does in Russia.

It was all part of a giant fraud that CNN helped to perpetrate in order to hamstring the Trump presidency. So when CNN claims, "The binder contained raw intelligence the US and its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents, including sources and methods that informed the US government's assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election," what they are really referring to is the proof that Trump amassed of the FBI's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.
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[TwitchySeal]

My new years resolution is to keep track of all the times BADecker ignores a direct question in response to one of his ridiculous claims and shifts the topic to something equally ridiculous but different.

Here's two to start:

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Ammon Bundy didn't know what he was doing in court. The jury simply liked what he did in the wildlife refuge takeover. The jury freed him. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html.

The jury has the authority to vote how they want regarding any case they hear... provided it is a jury based on the 6th or 7th Amendments. There is evidence of court cases all over the place, where juries even reversed the charges in some cases, so that the plaintiff had to pay the fine.

You: "juries can strike down laws"
Me: "No they can't"
You: "Juries can vote how they want"
Me:


Are you confusing 'striking down a law' with jury nullification?  You know just because a guilty person is acquitted or has a hung jury doesn't mean that law they broke is struck down, right?  

Did OJs jury strike down the law that makes murder illegal?

Not at all. But you seem to be confusing what I said with both, striking down laws, and jury nullification.

If the law in a school zone is 15mph, and a driver drives through at 120mph, and a cop pulls him over and it goes to court in a jury trial, the jury can strike down the law with regard to the driver so that he gets off totally free. Generally a jury won't do this, because the jury has friends and family with kids going to the school. But they can do it if they want, even if there is no good reason. It's up to them, totally. This does not strike down the law for anybody else, however. For every other person who breaks this law, it's a totally new court case.

If, however, there are bunches of people who drive 120mph through this school zone, and the juries for most of them declare these drivers innocent, the city or state just might change the law so that the speed limit for this school zone is no longer only 15mph. The reason might be that it's an old, condemned school that is not being used, and has a chain link fence around it, and the school zone speed limit SHOULD be removed.

The point is that the jury rules in a trial-by-jury court case. In general, when they strike down a law, it's for that court case only, not for the whole country... although other court decisions might base themselves on this one to some extent.

I think you're confusing fantasy land of make believe (Badeckerville) and reality.  But maybe I'm wrong.
Give me one example (in the real world, in a real federal or state criminal trial) of a jury "striking down a law".

Powell SHOULD apologize for the mistakes she made in not helping the people of Georgia. She did it wrong, and did not take down the corrupt government of Georgia because she did it wrong. So, she harmed the people by not straightening Georgia out.

I think she knows that she did it wrong. But I don't think that she has learned how to do it right, yet. Perhaps she will learn the right way to do it sometime.

The real question is, will YOU ever even look in the direction of the right way to do it?

What specifically should she have done differently?  

Do you mean it was wrong to make up a story and convince people like you that Dominion and Smartmatic had a secret algorithm from Venezuela  that was designed to switch votes, and the only reason it was caught was because Trump got so many votes the algorithm just didn't know what to do and so the evil dems, disguised as honest poll workers, had to swoop in and change the votes themselves?

Should she have not lied?  Or should she have come up with a better lie?

Should you have done a little more critical thinking before spreading her lies?

[BADecker]

My new years resolution is to keep track of all the times BADecker ignores a direct question in response to one of his ridiculous claims and shifts the topic to something equally ridiculous but different.


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Wow! Thanks, TS. I never realized how much I meant to you, before. Keep up the good work. And while you're at it, try to understand what is going on a little. True, you're not as bad as some, who quote the answer to their question right above the question. Rather, you do it below. Lol!

Now it seems that Trump was right, and Georgia lied.


Going Viral: New Evidence Suggests There Was Never Voting Machine Election Audit Performed in Georgia Following 2020 Election – Raffensperger Caught Again!


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/going-viral-new-evidence-suggests-there-was-never/
There is currently no evidence that there was ever a voting machine election audit performed in Georgia following the 2020 election.

On November 17, 2020, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger made an announcement that an audit "using forensic techniques" was completed with "no sign of foul play" in the 2020 election. The statement previously appeared on the Secretary of State's webpage and is still available via the Wayback Machine here.

Investigative journalist Kevin Moncla of the Election Oversight Group, and another individual began to send Open Records Requests from the counties that were allegedly "audited" back in 2022.  While Raffensperger's statement says there were six counties "audited," the Pro V&V memo only listed four:  Floyd County (Rome, GA), Douglas County (Douglasville, GA), Paulding County (Dallas, GA), and Cobb County (Marietta, GA).
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[TwitchySeal]

My new years resolution is to keep track of all the times BADecker ignores a direct question in response to one of his ridiculous claims and shifts the topic to something equally ridiculous but different.


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Wow! Thanks, TS. I never realized how much I meant to you, before. Keep up the good work. And while you're at it, try to understand what is going on a little. True, you're not as bad as some, who quote the answer to their question right above the question. Rather, you do it below. Lol!

That's a funny way of saying "I can't give you an example of an actual criminal trial in the real world where a jury 'struck down a law', because that's not what juries do.  I guess you were right, sorry for making all that stuff up!"

[paxmao]

My new years resolution is to keep track of all the times BADecker ignores a direct question in response to one of his ridiculous claims and shifts the topic to something equally ridiculous but different.


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Wow! Thanks, TS. I never realized how much I meant to you, before. Keep up the good work. And while you're at it, try to understand what is going on a little. True, you're not as bad as some, who quote the answer to their question right above the question. Rather, you do it below. Lol!

That's a funny way of saying "I can't give you an example of an actual criminal trial in the real world where a jury 'struck down a law', because that's not what juries do.  I guess you were right, sorry for making all that stuff up!"

The problem that dumBAss has is that his youtube mentors from China only provide a basic disinformation service. Him being either Chinese or maybe Texan (they are not that different really), is probably not willing to pay the extra for the "enhanced disinformation service" which includes receiving some short of answer to questions.

No, juries do not strike down no shit. dumBAss is simply banking on having a jury trial and the coercing the jury by threats and organised violence to exonerate Trump no matter the evidence. Anyone wonders why Trump is judged under the RICO act?

Two states have already excluded Trump from the primaries ballot, Colorado an Maine. In some others the plaintiffs have renounced to carry on with the process and many are pending decisions. One the supreme court decides on the Colorado ruling, the US will have some certainty on how the campaign is going to look like.

It may happen that if Trump does not run, Biden would not either.

[BADecker]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

[TwitchySeal]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

[BADecker]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

You're a rather strange one, TS. You know that juries rule in court, yet you try to hide that you know. Why? Are you an attorney who realizes that if people found out about it, you just might lose a bunch of clients? Or are you in a position where you have to play devil's advocate because of what your 'companions' might think of you?

Anyway, the court cases are open to anybody who wants to go and look at them. There are many law libraries that have loads of court cases where juries made the decisions in ways they wanted, rather than what the judge wanted.

[paxmao]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

You're a rather strange one, TS. You know that juries rule in court, yet you try to hide that you know. Why? Are you an attorney who realizes that if people found out about it, you just might lose a bunch of clients? Or are you in a position where you have to play devil's advocate because of what your 'companions' might think of you?

Anyway, the court cases are open to anybody who wants to go and look at them. There are many law libraries that have loads of court cases where juries made the decisions in ways they wanted, rather than what the judge wanted.

Just answer dumBAss, you do not have any example of any law being struck down by a jury. He is not strange, he is asking for a proof you cannot provide because you have lied.

The sad truth is that you want Trump to be judged by a jury and then having the Trump mobsters threatening, and bullying the judge, the jury and possibly even the relator and the Trump controlled media ranting over the judge so that it becomes impossible to have a trial and the people are afraid of giving a honest guilty verdict.

[BADecker]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

You're a rather strange one, TS. You know that juries rule in court, yet you try to hide that you know. Why? Are you an attorney who realizes that if people found out about it, you just might lose a bunch of clients? Or are you in a position where you have to play devil's advocate because of what your 'companions' might think of you?

Anyway, the court cases are open to anybody who wants to go and look at them. There are many law libraries that have loads of court cases where juries made the decisions in ways they wanted, rather than what the judge wanted.

Just answer dumBAss, you do not have any example of any law being struck down by a jury. He is not strange, he is asking for a proof you cannot provide because you have lied.

The sad truth is that you want Trump to be judged by a jury and then having the Trump mobsters threatening, and bullying the judge, the jury and possibly even the relator and the Trump controlled media ranting over the judge so that it becomes impossible to have a trial and the people are afraid of giving a honest guilty verdict.

Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases? You wouldn't believe them anyway, just like you don't seem to believe much of anything I say. I DID show you the Bundy brothers' case. But you obviously don't believe it. Do your own research.

Everything you say is insignificant. Why? Because you sit over there, and you don't know how things work in America.


Clinton-Appointed Judge Dismisses Trump Ballot Disqualification Case 'With Prejudice'


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/clinton-appointed-judge-dismisses-trump-ballot-disqualification-case-prejudice
On Wednesday, [Clinton appointed] District Judge David Carter granted a motion to dismiss the lawsuit "with prejudice," which means that it can't be submitted to the same court again, according to court papers.

A plaintiff attempted to argue that they suffered "emotional injury" due to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and watched the events unfold on television, on the radio, and in various publications. They then argued that the incident caused them "severe emotional distress" and then filed a lawsuit to keep the former president from California's ballots.

But the judge wrote that because the events occurred "more than two years before the plaintiff" filed suit, it was outside of the two-year statute of limitations.

The decision by Judge Carter, a Clinton-appointed jurist who has ruled against President Trump in a separate case, was posted online by former Republican National Committee for California chairwoman Harmeet Dhillon.

"The remnants of the last California case to keep President Trump off the ballot here were dismissed today by Judge David O. Carter!!" she wrote on X on Wednesday.

In recent days and weeks, there have been a number of lawsuits filed in different states to try and bar President Trump from appearing on the ballot ahead of the 2024 election. Those suits have claimed that the former president engaged in "insurrection or rebellion" against the United States under an interpretation of the Constitution's 14th Amendment's Section 3, which was written in the immediate aftermath of the U.S. Civil War.
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[Vod]

In his speech, Trump seemed to be making excuses for his 2024 loss already.    A lot of hate in that person.

[TwitchySeal]

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

You're a rather strange one, TS. You know that juries rule in court, yet you try to hide that you know. Why? Are you an attorney who realizes that if people found out about it, you just might lose a bunch of clients? Or are you in a position where you have to play devil's advocate because of what your 'companions' might think of you?

Anyway, the court cases are open to anybody who wants to go and look at them. There are many law libraries that have loads of court cases where juries made the decisions in ways they wanted, rather than what the judge wanted.

Just answer dumBAss, you do not have any example of any law being struck down by a jury. He is not strange, he is asking for a proof you cannot provide because you have lied.

The sad truth is that you want Trump to be judged by a jury and then having the Trump mobsters threatening, and bullying the judge, the jury and possibly even the relator and the Trump controlled media ranting over the judge so that it becomes impossible to have a trial and the people are afraid of giving a honest guilty verdict.

Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases? You wouldn't believe them anyway, just like you don't seem to believe much of anything I say.

Lets clean some mud out of the water with a quick recap:

You: Jurys can strike down laws
Me: No they can't
You: Yes they can
Me: Could you provide one example
You: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.
Me: The judge dismissed the charges in that case.  (No law was struck down and the jury didn't even get to deliberations.) Try again?
You: 'Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases?'

[BADecker]

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Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases? You wouldn't believe them anyway, just like you don't seem to believe much of anything I say.

Lets clean some mud out of the water with a quick recap:

You: Jurys can strike down laws
Me: No they can't
You: Yes they can
Me: Could you provide one example
You: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.
Me: The judge dismissed the charges in that case.  (No law was struck down and the jury didn't even get to deliberations.) Try again?
You: 'Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases?'

Actually, there were two cases. The first case was for the whole group... the Bundy brothers and their partners. The second case was for the two Bundy brothers only.

In the first case, the others - not the Bundys - accepted plea deals. But the Bundys didn't. The jury ruled in favor of the Bundys and let them go. The judge simply followed through with what the jury decided.

In the second case, which was only against the Bundys, the jury ruled in favor of them and let them go. Again, the judge simply followed through with what the jury decided... a dismissal.

In jury trials, where the jury comes back with an innocent verdict, the judge is required to sign off on it by dismissal... or to recuse himself from the entire case. That's what the judge is there for in jury trials... simply to acknowledge the verdict of the jury.

In other words, the judge was simply following through with his job, and rendering a dismissal according to the jury verdict. The judge wasn't making a verdict of his own. He was simply signing off on what the jury decided. That's what his duty is in jury trials.

Court records all around the US are replete with this in jury trials. There are also a few that have extenuating circumstances where a mistrial is declared for one reason or another, and it all goes back to the jury as though the trial had never happened in the first place. But mistrial isn't how it went for the Bundy brothers.

[paxmao]

In his speech, Trump seemed to be making excuses for his 2024 loss already.    A lot of hate in that person.

Some of us still remember that he was saying that he would not accept any result in the previous elections other than a win. And accept he did not indeed.

It is a textbook example of a Narcissist Personality disorder: unable to accept critic, will go into aggression mode towards anyone challenging him. Everything he does is "the biggest, the greatest, the what-ever-est of all times". When he fails, breaks the law or is in trouble, it is not ever because he fuck*ed up, it is because "XYZ excuse".

He is not making a excuse, he is a miserable excuse from implanted hair to polished thumbnail.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial matters. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration that they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships troubled and unfulfilling, and other people may not enjoy being around them.

The jury did this...

Bundy Brothers Acquitted in Takeover of Oregon Wildlife Refuge - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bundy+Brothers+Acquitted+in+Takeover+of+Oregon+Wildlife+Refuge&ia=web.

So, for whatever laws the Bundy brothers and their accomplices broke, the Jury struck these laws down in their cases.

This does not mean that the next time they did it, that the juries would act the same way. It also does not mean that the juries would act the same way for other people.

What it shows is that here is a start towards a certain precedent. If more juries acted this way, government might change the laws or repeal them.

If you get into reading American case law, you will find that juries have done this kind of thing all over the place... including reversing 'debts' owed so that the other side owed the money.

Actually these laws still exist:

"conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States"; one count of "conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer"; four counts of "using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence"; two counts of "assault on a federal officer"; two counts of "threatening a federal law enforcement officer"; three counts of "obstruction of the due administration of justice"; two counts of "interference with interstate commerce by extortion"; and one count of "interstate travel in aid of extortion."

And the judge dismissed the charges before the jury even began deliberations.


Try again.

One single example of a law being struck down by a jury.

You're a rather strange one, TS. You know that juries rule in court, yet you try to hide that you know. Why? Are you an attorney who realizes that if people found out about it, you just might lose a bunch of clients? Or are you in a position where you have to play devil's advocate because of what your 'companions' might think of you?

Anyway, the court cases are open to anybody who wants to go and look at them. There are many law libraries that have loads of court cases where juries made the decisions in ways they wanted, rather than what the judge wanted.

Just answer dumBAss, you do not have any example of any law being struck down by a jury. He is not strange, he is asking for a proof you cannot provide because you have lied.

The sad truth is that you want Trump to be judged by a jury and then having the Trump mobsters threatening, and bullying the judge, the jury and possibly even the relator and the Trump controlled media ranting over the judge so that it becomes impossible to have a trial and the people are afraid of giving a honest guilty verdict.

Now why in the world do you want me to show you some court cases? You wouldn't believe them anyway, just like you don't seem to believe much of anything I say. I DID show you the Bundy brothers' case. But you obviously don't believe it. Do your own research.

Everything you say is insignificant. Why? Because you sit over there, and you don't know how things work in America.
...

dumBAss, provide any proof that you are actually American (meaning an US citizen) or shut up about the topic, because your line of posting seems pretty much what a Chinese troll would be saying to weaken and divide the US.

Again, you are not answering because you are lying. Juries do not "strike down laws" and you barely can tell your thumb from your teeth, so do not bother saying that "others do not understand" - It is just way out of your personal possibilities.

Meanwhile, Trump's trials progress and March & April are going to be busy dates for Trump and likely for the supreme court. Until now, no judge has disputed the fact that Trump engaged in insurrection.

[Hispo]

In his speech, Trump seemed to be making excuses for his 2024 loss already.    A lot of hate in that person.

Not only hate, he has something more dangerous within him himself and that is a complete disregard for the future of the politics in the United States and democracy in that country. If he cared at least a bit, then he would have realized he is undermining the trust people have on elections and that may continue to hurt the country, even after he steps down his political career, but no.
Besides of that, I would have not expected Trump to start to make excuses for the posibility of him being defeated, because he seems to have a good chance to actually get his second term in the White House. It makes me wonder whether he actually believes he could lose because he won't have the support of the moderates or he just wants to further fearmonger his followers into the election fraud theories.
Regardless of it, he has said a little bit of everything in his speeches, being amount the worst the way he mocked the husband of Nancy Pelosi after being brutally attacked with the hammer. Not the kind of stuff one is supposed to find in serious politics, to be honest.

[paxmao]

In his speech, Trump seemed to be making excuses for his 2024 loss already.    A lot of hate in that person.

Not only hate, he has something more dangerous within him himself and that is a complete disregard for the future of the politics in the United States and democracy in that country. If he cared at least a bit, then he would have realized he is undermining the trust people have on elections and that may continue to hurt the country, even after he steps down his political career, but no.
Besides of that, I would have not expected Trump to start to make excuses for the posibility of him being defeated, because he seems to have a good chance to actually get his second term in the White House. It makes me wonder whether he actually believes he could lose because he won't have the support of the moderates or he just wants to further fearmonger his followers into the election fraud theories.
Regardless of it, he has said a little bit of everything in his speeches, being amount the worst the way he mocked the husband of Nancy Pelosi after being brutally attacked with the hammer. Not the kind of stuff one is supposed to find in serious politics, to be honest.

As said, does any of this not match the main characteristics of a Narcissistic Personality disorder? I can break the law because it is me, I can threaten and harass my political opponents (please not that Nacy Pelosi's husband, in his 80s, was attacked at his own home!) and anyone criticising is (underline those applicable: deep-state, crooked, Chinesse, anti-USA, wrong, corrupted, democrat,...) The law has to be changed to favour me, ... If something goes wrong is never my fault is because (deep-state, democrats, judges, ...) are against me.

I mean ... textbook + a bit of other diagnosable mental health issues in the pot. The type of personality that attracts moths like dumBAss.

On the moderate support, look, the problem is not Trump, the problem is that Republicans have been kidnapped by trump for several years and unfortunately candidates not endorsed by his have mostly lost. There is no "moderation" there is simply desire to grab the Presidency to ban abortion, try to stop migration flows and go on with the protectionist + low tax agenda.

On the other hand, I see Trump as a high-risk candidate. I wonder why the donors have not chosen another horse already - no fan of conspiracies, but there are parts missing in the puzzle.

[BADecker]

In his speech, Trump seemed to be making excuses for his 2024 loss already.    A lot of hate in that person.

Not only hate, he has something more dangerous within him himself and that is a complete disregard for the future of the politics in the United States and democracy in that country. If he cared at least a bit, then he would have realized he is undermining the trust people have on elections and that may continue to hurt the country, even after he steps down his political career, but no.
Besides of that, I would have not expected Trump to start to make excuses for the posibility of him being defeated, because he seems to have a good chance to actually get his second term in the White House. It makes me wonder whether he actually believes he could lose because he won't have the support of the moderates or he just wants to further fearmonger his followers into the election fraud theories.
Regardless of it, he has said a little bit of everything in his speeches, being amount the worst the way he mocked the husband of Nancy Pelosi after being brutally attacked with the hammer. Not the kind of stuff one is supposed to find in serious politics, to be honest.

As said, does any of this not match the main characteristics of a Narcissistic Personality disorder? I can break the law because it is me, I can threaten and harass my political opponents (please not that Nacy Pelosi's husband, in his 80s, was attacked at his own home!) and anyone criticising is (underline those applicable: deep-state, crooked, Chinesse, anti-USA, wrong, corrupted, democrat,...) The law has to be changed to favour me, ... If something goes wrong is never my fault is because (deep-state, democrats, judges, ...) are against me.

I mean ... textbook + a bit of other diagnosable mental health issues in the pot. The type of personality that attracts moths like dumBAss.

On the moderate support, look, the problem is not Trump, the problem is that Republicans have been kidnapped by trump for several years and unfortunately candidates not endorsed by his have mostly lost. There is no "moderation" there is simply desire to grab the Presidency to ban abortion, try to stop migration flows and go on with the protectionist + low tax agenda.

On the other hand, I see Trump as a high-risk candidate. I wonder why the donors have not chosen another horse already - no fan of conspiracies, but there are parts missing in the puzzle.

Your problem is that you don't have a leg to stand on... except maybe your mouth, and the desire for corruption.

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime. So far, the only thing Trump has been convicted of is doing good as President. So, everything you say is slander. And why is it slander? Because you like to see Ukrainian soldiers killed off, and the Ukrainian population reduced that way.

Look at Trump's record in the Presidency. It's peace and prosperity. Then look at what Biden started doing the first day of his presidency. He nullified a whole bunch of Trump's good things. Because of it, we see maybe 600,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers killed and maimed. And you seem to like it that way.

By the same standards that you judge Trump (without findings of guilt), you are calling yourself a murderer... and accomplice to the murdering that the Biden Team and the Dems have done by sending $billions to Ukraine

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

[BADecker]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

There you go, again. Trump hasn't been adjudicated of any wrongdoing in declassifying government docs. Wake up. Even if he is adjudicated to have done something wrong, he is certain to appeal it. It's not over until it's over.

Now, I realize that you are simply asking questions and voicing your opinion in a way that makes it look like you are slandering when you really aren't. Or are you? slandering Trump, I mean?

If you want to see what the punishment has been for people giving away government secrets, simply get over to a law library and find info on Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg. Neither you nor I are close enough to the Trump trials to understand the investigation that has gone into them. There is no way to answer your question without knowing the details.

[paxmao]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

There you go, again. Trump hasn't been adjudicated of any wrongdoing in declassifying government docs. Wake up. Even if he is adjudicated to have done something wrong, he is certain to appeal it. It's not over until it's over.

Now, I realize that you are simply asking questions and voicing your opinion in a way that makes it look like you are slandering when you really aren't. Or are you? slandering Trump, I mean?

If you want to see what the punishment has been for people giving away government secrets, simply get over to a law library and find info on Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg. Neither you nor I are close enough to the Trump trials to understand the investigation that has gone into them. There is no way to answer your question without knowing the details.

Trump has been effectively indicted of 42 counts regarding the classified documents case.

32 counts of willfully retaining national defense information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e))
5 counts of obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
1 count of interfering with a federal investigation (18 U.S.C § 1519)
4 counts of making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001(a))

In your view, if he is guilty, what should be the punishment? This is a very simple question you are being asked... have you got an answer or another excuse?

If you ask me, if the Rossembergs were killed by the US government on a simple declaration by Ethel's brother - in fact for nothing proven, then I do not see why Trump, who send people to assault the Capitol and killed several people, should not be given the needle.

In June 1953, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage under the U.S. Espionage Act of 1917. Members of the communist party, the Rosenbergs were convicted of passing secret information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union in 1945.

[Hispo]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

There you go, again. Trump hasn't been adjudicated of any wrongdoing in declassifying government docs. Wake up. Even if he is adjudicated to have done something wrong, he is certain to appeal it. It's not over until it's over.

Now, I realize that you are simply asking questions and voicing your opinion in a way that makes it look like you are slandering when you really aren't. Or are you? slandering Trump, I mean?

If you want to see what the punishment has been for people giving away government secrets, simply get over to a law library and find info on Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg. Neither you nor I are close enough to the Trump trials to understand the investigation that has gone into them. There is no way to answer your question without knowing the details.

Trump has been effectively indicted of 42 counts regarding the classified documents case.

32 counts of willfully retaining national defense information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e))
5 counts of obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
1 count of interfering with a federal investigation (18 U.S.C § 1519)
4 counts of making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001(a))

In your view, if he is guilty, what should be the punishment? This is a very simple question you are being asked... have you got an answer or another excuse?

If you ask me, if the Rossembergs were killed by the US government on a simple declaration by Ethel's brother - in fact for nothing proven, then I do not see why Trump, who send people to assault the Capitol and killed several people, should not be given the needle.

In June 1953, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage under the U.S. Espionage Act of 1917. Members of the communist party, the Rosenbergs were convicted of passing secret information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union in 1945.

You know. The most bizarre fact about the Trump indictment on the holding of Secret information, is how he could have easily prevented all this criminals allegations from happening to him.
All he had to do was to give back all documents when the people from federal government asked him to do so.
It is completely out of the character of a president of former president to illegally hold that amount of classified documents in that way and assume no one is going to care or seek for them.

The defense he has wield ranges from not actually being aware of those documents being in his property to actually being aware of them but saying he has the right to have them. Pretty wacky stuff, not proper for a country like the United States.

[DooMAD]

You know. The most bizarre fact about the Trump indictment on the holding of Secret information, is how he could have easily prevented all this criminals allegations from happening to him.
All he had to do was to give back all documents when the people from federal government asked him to do so.

Or, better yet, the voting public could stop fawning over dangerous narcissists who were never fit to hold office in the first place.  Trump was always going to answer to his ego first and the rules last.  You're either with him and what he wants, or you're against him.  Morality and law don't enter the equation.  What he wants is always "right" and that's as far as the line of thought goes in his brain.  That's why he's so adamant that he's innocent.  He can't even see why he's wrong.  Even now that it's all been spelled out to him over the course of all these court appearances.  And it still won't register when he's behind bars either.

I'm of the view that potential candidates should have to sit a test to ensure they don't suffer from sort of chronic personality disorder before they're cleared to run for leadership.

[NotATether]

Or, better yet, the voting public could stop fawning over dangerous narcissists who were never fit to hold office in the first place.  Trump was always going to answer to his ego first and the rules last.  You're either with him and what he wants, or you're against him.  Morality and law don't enter the equation.  What he wants is always "right" and that's as far as the line of thought goes in his brain.  That's why he's so adamant that he's innocent.  He can't even see why he's wrong.  Even now that it's all been spelled out to him over the course of all these court appearances.  And it still won't register when he's behind bars either.

You do know there's two kinds of justice systems in corporate America now, right?

One for the rich and powerful and one for the rest of us.

Trump's trials are a manifestation of the former.

[DooMAD]

You do know there's two kinds of justice systems in corporate America now, right?

One for the rich and powerful and one for the rest of us.

Trump's trials are a manifestation of the former.

He'll almost certainly get off lighter than he ought to.  But if he doesn't face at least some jail time for that many crimes across that many states, then the American Judicial System is a sham.

[Hispo]

You know. The most bizarre fact about the Trump indictment on the holding of Secret information, is how he could have easily prevented all this criminals allegations from happening to him.
All he had to do was to give back all documents when the people from federal government asked him to do so.

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I'm of the view that potential candidates should have to sit a test to ensure they don't suffer from sort of chronic personality disorder before they're cleared to run for leadership.

Some may argue it would be against the law or the constitution to have tests for candidates, either because could be some kind of exclusion against certain kinds of personalities or because there could be some bias against the one being tested and the one performing the test.
Anyways, as far as I know there has not been any precedent in the history of the north American Democracy about some presidential candidate being subjected to psychological tests.
Here in my country there are laws which allow such tests to happen but only to sitting presidents whose ability to govern is being questioned by the parliament. If the team of doctors are specialists believe the president is not capable of governing, then he/she is supposed to be removed from the position.
In general terms, I have learnt that in the United States anyone can be a presidential candidate, and Kanye West is a living proof of it. If there is someone needing to be evaluated would be him but it does not happen.

[TwitchySeal]

So Trumps fraud trial wrapped up this week in NYC.  On deck for next week:  Another civil trial in NYC, where a jury will decide if Trump defamed a woman on the very same day (or within a day I think?) that another jury found him liable for defaming her and sexually assaulting her.  



That's right, he was found liable for the assault and defamation, ordered to pay millions, and he went right over to CNN and repeated the same lies that he got sued for the first time - and so he got sued again.  He also bragged about how the jury did not find him liable for raping her (he didn't mention it was because he used his fingers, and in NY State for it to be rape you gotta use the penis).

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump or anybody personally breaks the law, let the punishment fit the crime.

What kind of punishment would fit the crime of retaining government documents that are classified at the highest level that included foreign and domestic nuclear secrets, and then refusing to give them back, defying a subpoena for them, and obstructing an investigation into their whereabouts by lying about them, all violations of the espionage act and committed by a civilian after having their security clearance revoked.

Forget it's Trump that did all this.  Just in general, what should the punishment be for someone that does this, regardless of any political affiliation.

Squirm away.

There you go, again. Trump hasn't been adjudicated of any wrongdoing in declassifying government docs. Wake up. Even if he is adjudicated to have done something wrong, he is certain to appeal it. It's not over until it's over.

Now, I realize that you are simply asking questions and voicing your opinion in a way that makes it look like you are slandering when you really aren't. Or are you? slandering Trump, I mean?

If you want to see what the punishment has been for people giving away government secrets, simply get over to a law library and find info on Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg. Neither you nor I are close enough to the Trump trials to understand the investigation that has gone into them. There is no way to answer your question without knowing the details.

Forget about Trump for a second.  I know it's hard, but try.  Being objective is good.

What kind of punishment do you think would be appropriate for someone who doesn't have any security clearance to keep classified documents (important ones, with Nuclear secrets) at their home, defy a federal subpoena and obstruct the governments attempt to secure them?  

Do you think the government should punish civilians that lie to the FBI about highly classified documents (important ones, with Nuclear secrets) in their home after being served with a subpoena?

Remember, don't think about Trump.  It shouldn't matter who does it.  It could be anyone.

[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

[paxmao]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

[BADecker]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

[paxmao]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

Biden has used his rights correctly and requested congressional support for the Foreign Policy he has chose to implement, as is his right as elected President. We are back to you really trying to not understand dumBAss -  the fact that you do not like something does not make it illegal. Breaking the law does however make it illegal and gets you tens of felony charges.

[Hispo]

So, a couple of days ago I saw one of the Trump's Lawyers trying to make a case about the presidential legal immunity which alledgely the president has while the performance of his duties. All of it was being discussed in front of judges and it was quite disturbing and unprecedented for the fact Trump's lawyer seemed to question whether the President of the United States could theorically order the execution/assassination of their political rivals (who are as well American residents and Citizens) and not being prosecuted because of his immunity. According to what I understood, it would take the lawmakers of the senate/house to impeach the president for him to be later procesuted of those crimes, otherwise, he would as free as usual when going back into the civil life, after the conclusion of the term.

That is weird, disturbing and unprecedented... Specially scary because no one in the Republican party seems to care about it and nobody dares to call out Trump or his lawyers for even putting such distasteful legal scenario on the table and in front of judges... This kind of stuff will only continue to divide the country, in my opinion.

The theory of full immunity is more complex that it seems at first glance. It is intended to allow the president to take pretty much any action in defence of the country and give orders that ordinarily would be classed as crime, and it also frees him from prosecutions. However, the "impeachment" is not based on the legal aspects, but on a political judgement and this can potentially become a dictatorship by elimination of the opponent since all that is needed is a majoriy.

My personal conclusion is that there has to be a limit to the immunity precisely to protect the system from people like Trump who are fine breaking the system while owning a party.

To be it is clear that there is supposed to be a legal limit to what sitting president is supposed to be allowed to do, regardless he is a president from the United States or other country.
I have red before that the founding fathers of the United States forged the rules and the constitution of the country in a very smart way, but they could not foresee someone like Donald Trump to try to even suggest to misuse the office of the presidency for whatever plans he has. Within the laws or rules of the presidential immunity there would be some article which explicitly states the president of the country cannot target a citizen or a resident with out having some Approbation from a percentage of the senate or at least permission from a judge.

I don't know to what extent he would be actually capable of abusing political power in such disturbing way as his lawyer suggested.

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

[BADecker]

~

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

[paxmao]

~

If you want to see misuse of the presidency, just look at all the lives that Biden took by funding Ukraine. Trump only brought about peace.

Of course, the President has limited powers if Congress wants to stop him. He's not a king, you know.

I am not suggesting he is a king or he is supposed to be a king. But keeping that to one side, I would like to know how funding is supposed to work when comes to aiding the allies of the United States abroad and around the world. Let us assume there is some kind of attack on some USA ally in the Americas or in Europe and they are asking for funding so they can defend themselves easily. Who is supposed to be the one in DC taking the decisions on how much is supposed to be given away for them?

You would probably argue that your country should not intervene with those regional conflicts going on in other places, that would imply you are okey with China wagering war against anyone of USA allies, I am not explicitly talking about Russia.

Would be the house of representatives, the senate, both the VP and the President together? What would be the fairest thing to do with the money of the people of the United States to help to defend others?

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out 

[BADecker]

~

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out  

They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

[paxmao]

~

Good politics. And thank you for agreeing with me.

The question is, who is supposed to make the decisions about using US money to help out foreign countries? You are probably right that it is a job for Congress and the President. So, let's look at what happened and what would have happened in Ukraine.

If the US had not given money, etc., to Ukraine, the war would have been over in two months. There would have been deaths, but relatively few when compared with how many there have been. Additionally, the land of Ukraine would not have been destroyed; many of the architectural artifacts would still be standing.

I agree that the government of the US has the duty to keep the peace in the world, at least at times. So, why didn't they in Ukraine? Biden's blundering stupidity, and that of Congress, has totally wasted Ukraine far more than Russia ever would have if they were allowed to do their police action in 'peace'. I'd say that Biden and Congress totally knew what they were doing, and they purposely killed Ukraine.

Trump didn't do anything like that. But you think Trump's the bad guy... because he likes peace?

Another of you posts repeating the same falsehood: There is no option for Peace other than stopping Putin. The politics of appeasement is something tried and tested in history and does not work. In a form you can understand: You give Ukraine, then they want Poland. You give Poland they want Sweden and Finland... It does not end ever because that is Putin model for the Ruzzian economy and state.

And make no mistake, there is a huge bill to pay for a Ruzzia that comes out thinking this was a good idea.

Now, Trump has another defamation case open in NY. Last one was 5 million, let's see how this one comes out  

They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times  

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race 

[BADecker]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
Fani Under Pressure: Judge In Trump-Georgia Case Orders DA To Explain Misconduct Allegations - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356872-2024-01-19-fani-under-pressure-judge-in-trump-georgia-case-orders-da.htm.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race 

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

[TwitchySeal]

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

Fact check:

- In criminal cases the defendant(s) have a right to trial by jury.  Civil cases are different, no jury required (no risk of prison either).

- Nobody is "not allowing" Trump to have a jury in any of his criminal cases.

- The trials for damages where he's already been found liable for all sorts of fraud and the one where he's already been found liable for finger raping a woman (at least it felt like a thumb..... 🍄 ) in a dressing room at a department store and then defaming her...and then defaming her again are civil cases (although a jury did find him liable for the finger rape and first defamation)

- The cases where he's been charged with almost 100 various felonies including espionage act violations and defrauding the United States are criminal cases - if they go to trial there will be a jury.  And oh what a jury it will be.

[paxmao]

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

Fact check:

- In criminal cases the defendant(s) have a right to trial by jury.  Civil cases are different, no jury required (no risk of prison either).

- Nobody is "not allowing" Trump to have a jury in any of his criminal cases.

- The trials for damages where he's already been found liable for all sorts of fraud and the one where he's already been found liable for finger raping a woman (at least it felt like a thumb..... 🍄 ) in a dressing room at a department store and then defaming her...and then defaming her again are civil cases (although a jury did find him liable for the finger rape and first defamation)

- The cases where he's been charged with almost 100 various felonies including espionage act violations and defrauding the United States are criminal cases - if they go to trial there will be a jury.  And oh what a jury it will be.

Here this dumBAss is absolutely eager to get a jury and it is not that difficult to know why. With a judge is more difficult to harass and threaten, they are more protected and already have plenty of "enemies". With a jury, the Trump hordes wild go will on threats, violence and demonstrations to the point that the jury would either have to be isolated, a mistrial declared or they will have to declare innocent as they will be under threat if not.

[paxmao]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland.

[BADecker]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
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Trump Massive Victory at Iowa Caucus, Vivek Endorses Him! - Nikki Haley Delusional - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356727-2024-01-16-trump-massive-victory-at-iowa-caucus-vivek-endorses-him-nikki.htm.
The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland dumBAssland.

There. Fixed that for you.     

[paxmao]

~


They better win one of those cases. If they don't, Trump has a defamation of character and an election interference case against them all.
Fani Under Pressure: Judge In Trump-Georgia Case Orders DA To Explain Misconduct Allegations - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356872-2024-01-19-fani-under-pressure-judge-in-trump-georgia-case-orders-da.htm.
IT'S OVER! Trump Just KILLED The Legacy Media And They're FURIOUS - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356870-2024-01-18-its-over-trump-just-killed-the-legacy-media-and-theyre.htm./
Judge Threatens To Kick Trump Out Of Courtroom; Trump Says He Would 'Love It' - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356823-2024-01-18-judge-threatens-to-kick-trump-out-of-courtroom-trump-says.htm
Trump Massive Victory at Iowa Caucus, Vivek Endorses Him! - Nikki Haley Delusional - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356727-2024-01-16-trump-massive-victory-at-iowa-caucus-vivek-endorses-him-nikki.htm.
The Cases Against Trump Are COLLAPSING!!! - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/356699-2024-01-16-the-cases-against-trump-are-collapsing.htm.

Now is now, not Trump's administration. Russia wasn't provoked to do their police action until Biden. Russia wasn't building their military up until Biden. Feeding more money to Ukraine will only continue the same - forcing Russia to prepare for war more and more. Trump knew how to make peace. Biden only knows how to kill off more Ukrainians.


Here is why Ukraine will be left in the dust, dead.

If Trump wins, he will stop Ukraine funding. He will convince Russia to go easy on Ukraine. Russia will start to help Ukraine.

If Trump loses, Texas and several other States will secede, and that will totally disrupt any funding to Ukraine. Ukraine is done. Help them by supporting Trump, and making peace with Russia... no matter what you personally think about Putin and Russia.

First of all, best luck in your second US Civil War. I guess you need to re-learn History several times   - Thank you for helping me show everybody your true colors. Your suggestion shows that you are the warmonger... backed up by your desire for funding so that more people die in this useless war. Neither Trump nor I are even suggesting things like this. So, thank you for clarification about yourself.

Be careful: Trump has not clearly stated that he will not fund Ukraine, he says he would "put an end to war". On top of that, you are forgetting that the EU has enough capability to support Ukraine, and good motivation too. - See? There you said it again. Are you trying to talk Trump into funding more war? Sure seems like it.

Just to play along, let's say the US is effectively divided... How do you see the world after that? I mean, how long until one Chinese or Ruzzia guy decides that you'll be his personal sex slave. - Almost half of the US military is manufactured in Texas. But regarding your point, looks like somebody has turned you into his personal war slave. China? More than likely you are working for Russia... a double agent.

back on topic: They have already won "One of those"... the tab will be 5 million, see you soon in TwitterX or in any harassment media of your choice.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/16/trump-e-jean-carroll-second-lawsuit-00135610

One case — his civil fraud trial — was in state court. The other — a defamation lawsuit from the writer E. Jean Carroll — is in federal court.

During closing arguments in the fraud case last week, he sat in the courtroom and berated the judge, who has already ruled that Trump committed business fraud and is now weighing whether to fine him and the Trump Organization hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is going to be a expensive Presidential race  

Will Trump appeal? Not allowing him a jury in the US is illegal. So all these trials are illegal, and almost everybody knows it.

You are not trying even to make sense, are you dumBAss dumBAss? You are saying that you want Texas an other states to part ways with the Union if Trump is not elected or is judged not fit. I am reminding you that the last time that the South decided to go on their own, the rest of the US made sure it did not happen by winning a war.

Again, good luck with that.

Trump will have his jury, do not worry. Just keep going with your night part-time law studies in the University of dumBAssland dumBAssland.

There. Fixed that for you.     

Good, you have made good progress. See, I told you, go back to primary and eventually you will learn to read dumBAss.

Meanwhile you are super-happy about the recent successes in primaries, the judges keep doing their thing. Trump's attempt to re-gain the presidency, this time in a more traditional way seems to be going well... however, I would not be counting on the final vote of the moderates, they are that keen on seem people with horns around the Capitol and the like.

They’re seeking the return of more than $370 million of what they say are ill-gotten gains and a ban on Trump and other defendants from doing business in New York. Because it is a civil case, there is no possibility of prison time.

[paxmao]

And there you go... It seems that the Republican candidate is not only an insurrectionist, but a convicted rapist. Seriously, the US should think if they deserve someone just even a bit better than this criminal.

Hey dumBAss, you got your jury there... happy now?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-live-updates-rcna135759

A New York jury reached a quick verdict awarding E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million in damages in her suit that former President Donald Trump defamed her.
Trump stormed out of the closing arguments, leaving the courtroom while an attorney representing Carroll spoke. He returned to hear his own attorney speak.
A jury found Trump liable last year for sexually abusing Carroll in a New York department store in the 1990s and defaming her after she wrote about the incident.
Prosecutors and Trump's lawyers concluded testimony yesterday after the former president briefly took the stand and called Carroll's accusation "false." The trial was presided over by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan.

I wonder how many trials would it require from Trump to give all his state in punitive damages - because I am certain that there must be many more cases under the carpet given Trump's attitude on women. Maybe other will like to join the bandwagon while Trump has enough to pay.

[DooMAD]

I wonder how many trials would it require from Trump to give all his state in punitive damages

I wonder how Republican voters think Trump is going to have time to actually run the country when it looks like he's going to spend a significant proportion of his remaining life failing to defend his myriad court cases.   

Even if people are still delusional enough to admire this slimeball, surely even they must see how useless he's going to be at caring about anyone other than himself while all this legal stuff is happening.

I wouldn't trust him to run a pub quiz, let alone an entire nation.

[OgNasty]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

[paxmao]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

Yet here we are aren't we? The evidence was presented, a jury decided he was guilty. Why do not you present your "evidence" and see how it flies?

We both know the answer - it is cheap to create a fake story, but when you are before a judge you actually need to prove it. You can't, because fantasies do not leave traces.

The fact is that Trump is a bully. He is totally used to berate others without any price to pay and this time he went too far on bullying his victim apart from raping her.

Everything that happens to Trump is "which-hunt" but when Naci Pelosi gets attacked in her home is "the people taking revenge" - no need to reconcile the measure here?

[Bushdark]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

You just have to understand that corruption is everywhere and we don't need to be surprised because they would want to use every means and opportunity to make sure that Trump is not able to contest in this year election. All this plans are in vain.
I am very happen that Trump would be contesting for this year election and he's going to kick out Jeo Biden that has not been competence with his duty to make American dream comes to live again.

[Hispo]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

You just have to understand that corruption is everywhere and we don't need to be surprised because they would want to use every means and opportunity to make sure that Trump is not able to contest in this year election. All this plans are in vain.
I am very happen that Trump would be contesting for this year election and he's going to kick out Jeo Biden that has not been competence with his duty to make American dream comes to live again.

If there is enough evidence Joe Biden or any political also committed sexual assault against anyone in their family or outside their family, then it would be matter of any of the victims to step forward and declare whatever happened, since it has not happened yet, one needs to deal with the uncertainty.
Also, I thought the Republican party was about law and order, but lately they seem not to care about laws, otherwise they would not complain the decision made by the supreme court about the razorwire in the Texas southern border or the veredic on this defamation case.
It is okey when the jury favors them like the case of Kyle Rittenhouse, that is okey and the law is to be respected. But as soon as the law is not in their side is all a conspiracy or politically driven by the democrat party.

It is a very strange double standard which does nothing but to further divide the population of the country and give people the wrong idea of being able to ignore or go against the law if does not favour them.

[suchmoon]

Maybe other will like to join the bandwagon while Trump has enough to pay.

Does he though... wouldn't be a big surprise to find out that all he has to his name is a couple of NFTs and a MAGA hat. All the other stuff is probably shielded by impenetrable layers of LLCs.

[paxmao]

Maybe other will like to join the bandwagon while Trump has enough to pay.

Does he though... wouldn't be a big surprise to find out that all he has to his name is a couple of NFTs and a MAGA hat. All the other stuff is probably shielded by impenetrable layers of LLCs.

If Trumpy fills in for bankruptcy is a good result too. He is boasting that image of "self=made" big business man while "a man of the people" that is a fake as all the rest thanks - any money is thanks to daddy's shady doings. A filing to bankruptcy is another dose of reality for the Republicans to shadow.

Latest doing... asked repeatedly for a bill to stop the south border migration, and then, when Biden gets it, ordering the party to not vote it. For Trump saying something does not mean to really have to believe it.

[paxmao]

The legal costs of Trump are mounting to a ridiculous sum now. It all comes from the campaign funds as the guy thinks that it is ok to spend the donor's money for solving his legal problem. I guess the donor's are all right with it.

However, there is a practical problem: he is burning through cash like a C series startup led by two nerdy drunks in a back-alley illegally-occupied trashed single-room habitation. We are talking about making some of the lawyers so rich that they will be able to run for presidency themselves some days on their own funds if they wish to.

[nimethasa]

will trump continue to be heard in court. while trump himself won the republican party presidential convention. which of course in the USA presidential election will be the presidential candidate of the republican party who will face the candidate of the democratic party joe biden. it will be controversial if the presidential candidate has criminal legal status, especially if he is jailed.

[Hispo]

The legal costs of Trump are mounting to a ridiculous sum now. It all comes from the campaign funds as the guy thinks that it is ok to spend the donor's money for solving his legal problem. I guess the donor's are all right with it.

However, there is a practical problem: he is burning through cash like a C series startup led by two nerdy drunks in a back-alley illegally-occupied trashed single-room habitation. We are talking about making some of the lawyers so rich that they will be able to run for presidency themselves some days on their own funds if they wish to.

I read the news on how much those lawyers are being paid for representing Trump, and in my opinion it is ridiculous the money they are supposed to be paid for their legal services. I don't know how the legal system is supposed to work in the United States, but are lawyers allowed to increase the cost of their services only based on the relevant of the case or the amount of money their client is supposed to have?
What is the variable which established the maximum or minimum price a lawyer is supposed to charge to clients? If anyone of us got involved in a legal problem in the United States and we were supposed to pay for our own legal representation, we would never be asked for literal millions of dollars.

Keeping that in mind and in a less serious note, it would be interesting and funny if Trump decided he will represent himself in court from now on, in order to save money. I don't think the judge would ever accept something like that to proceed, but dreaming is free.

[paxmao]

The legal costs of Trump are mounting to a ridiculous sum now. It all comes from the campaign funds as the guy thinks that it is ok to spend the donor's money for solving his legal problem. I guess the donor's are all right with it.

However, there is a practical problem: he is burning through cash like a C series startup led by two nerdy drunks in a back-alley illegally-occupied trashed single-room habitation. We are talking about making some of the lawyers so rich that they will be able to run for presidency themselves some days on their own funds if they wish to.

I read the news on how much those lawyers are being paid for representing Trump, and in my opinion it is ridiculous the money they are supposed to be paid for their legal services. I don't know how the legal system is supposed to work in the United States, but are lawyers allowed to increase the cost of their services only based on the relevant of the case or the amount of money their client is supposed to have?
What is the variable which established the maximum or minimum price a lawyer is supposed to charge to clients? If anyone of us got involved in a legal problem in the United States and we were supposed to pay for our own legal representation, we would never be asked for literal millions of dollars.

Keeping that in mind and in a less serious note, it would be interesting and funny if Trump decided he will represent himself in court from now on, in order to save money. I don't think the judge would ever accept something like that to proceed, but dreaming is free.

AFAIK, legal services are a free market in terms of fees. Lawyers have to pass a State exam of short (the bar or whatever is the case) and then they are released into the wild to either seek a public service work, open their own practice, work for whatever firms are hiring... typically the larger firms can charge ridiculous fees in the range of 1000 US per hour and the like.

[Hispo]

The legal costs of Trump are mounting to a ridiculous sum now. It all comes from the campaign funds as the guy thinks that it is ok to spend the donor's money for solving his legal problem. I guess the donor's are all right with it.

However, there is a practical problem: he is burning through cash like a C series startup led by two nerdy drunks in a back-alley illegally-occupied trashed single-room habitation. We are talking about making some of the lawyers so rich that they will be able to run for presidency themselves some days on their own funds if they wish to.

I read the news on how much those lawyers are being paid for representing Trump, and in my opinion it is ridiculous the money they are supposed to be paid for their legal services. I don't know how the legal system is supposed to work in the United States, but are lawyers allowed to increase the cost of their services only based on the relevant of the case or the amount of money their client is supposed to have?
What is the variable which established the maximum or minimum price a lawyer is supposed to charge to clients? If anyone of us got involved in a legal problem in the United States and we were supposed to pay for our own legal representation, we would never be asked for literal millions of dollars.

Keeping that in mind and in a less serious note, it would be interesting and funny if Trump decided he will represent himself in court from now on, in order to save money. I don't think the judge would ever accept something like that to proceed, but dreaming is free.

AFAIK, legal services are a free market in terms of fees. Lawyers have to pass a State exam of short (the bar or whatever is the case) and then they are released into the wild to either seek a public service work, open their own practice, work for whatever firms are hiring... typically the larger firms can charge ridiculous fees in the range of 1000 US per hour and the like.

So you are saying if Trump wanted he could have gone with a relatively small firm or to find some lawyer working independently, in either case he could have just been charged some thousands of dollars instead of the millions he owes now? Is that how it is supposed to work? Or maybe, because of the importance of the case against him and the ego he needs to feed constantly he always go and hire the best and most expensive lawyers he can find.

I personally have some doubts on whether paying as much as possible lawyers will bring the best results to the client. I don't see what is the difference of a 10k$ from some lawyers who could charge millions, either of them could defend a case equally good. Perhaps there is some system where lawyers are also valued keeping in mind the amount of years they have practiced and the number of cases they are successfully won or defended in court, that is the only explanation or logical thing which comes to my mind in this.matter of legal fees.

[paxmao]

The legal costs of Trump are mounting to a ridiculous sum now. It all comes from the campaign funds as the guy thinks that it is ok to spend the donor's money for solving his legal problem. I guess the donor's are all right with it.

However, there is a practical problem: he is burning through cash like a C series startup led by two nerdy drunks in a back-alley illegally-occupied trashed single-room habitation. We are talking about making some of the lawyers so rich that they will be able to run for presidency themselves some days on their own funds if they wish to.

I read the news on how much those lawyers are being paid for representing Trump, and in my opinion it is ridiculous the money they are supposed to be paid for their legal services. I don't know how the legal system is supposed to work in the United States, but are lawyers allowed to increase the cost of their services only based on the relevant of the case or the amount of money their client is supposed to have?
What is the variable which established the maximum or minimum price a lawyer is supposed to charge to clients? If anyone of us got involved in a legal problem in the United States and we were supposed to pay for our own legal representation, we would never be asked for literal millions of dollars.

Keeping that in mind and in a less serious note, it would be interesting and funny if Trump decided he will represent himself in court from now on, in order to save money. I don't think the judge would ever accept something like that to proceed, but dreaming is free.

AFAIK, legal services are a free market in terms of fees. Lawyers have to pass a State exam of short (the bar or whatever is the case) and then they are released into the wild to either seek a public service work, open their own practice, work for whatever firms are hiring... typically the larger firms can charge ridiculous fees in the range of 1000 US per hour and the like.

So you are saying if Trump wanted he could have gone with a relatively small firm or to find some lawyer working independently, in either case he could have just been charged some thousands of dollars instead of the millions he owes now? Is that how it is supposed to work? Or maybe, because of the importance of the case against him and the ego he needs to feed constantly he always go and hire the best and most expensive lawyers he can find.

I personally have some doubts on whether paying as much as possible lawyers will bring the best results to the client. I don't see what is the difference of a 10k$ from some lawyers who could charge millions, either of them could defend a case equally good. Perhaps there is some system where lawyers are also valued keeping in mind the amount of years they have practiced and the number of cases they are successfully won or defended in court, that is the only explanation or logical thing which comes to my mind in this.matter of legal fees.

Some of the costs are probably fixed, but potentially he could even argue that he has no means and get a free lawyer. However, the larger firms have huge numbers of hires from the first 10% of their classes and partners with a track record of killing it consistently (getting the veredict their way). They are many times defending corporations because suing other is kind of a sport in the US to the point that corporations assume they are going to have a few millions of legal expenses every year.

Trump is unlikely to be using cheapo boutique firm, he is not the type of guy who would go cheap on his defence... when OTHERS are paying for it.

In the US money matters a lot in the court. Having means is the difference between being killed in some prison and getting free. It is just like that.

[BADecker]

More and more American groups are supporting Trump. They are seeing through the sham trials.


International Union of Police Associations officially endorses DONALD TRUMP for 2024 presidential election


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-14-iupa-officially-endorses-trump-for-2024-election.html


The International Union of Police Associations (IUPA) has officially endorsed Donald Trump for the 2024 presidential election.

IUPA President Sam Cabral praised the former president's support for law enforcement in a Feb. 6 press release, touting how Trump "has earned and deserves our wholehearted support." He continued: "Trump's history of support for the men and women of law enforcement is unmatched. His policies and actions were directed at improving safety in our communities and the men and women who provide that shield."

The organization chartered in 1979 took a firm stance against certain aspects of Democratic policies. Cabral accused the Democrats of supporting initiatives such as defunding the police, advocating for sanctuary cities and open borders and reducing accountability for criminal behavior.

These measures, he added, have had "tragic" consequences for communities in the form of business closures and increased criminal activity. Moreover, the head of the police union also disclosed the alarming rate at which police departments are losing officers – leading to a diminished law enforcement presence.

"Roving gangs are terrorizing retail businesses, raiding them with absolute impunity akin to a thousand-year-old past – regressive rather than their own progressive ideology," wrote Cabral. "They have not dealt with the consequences of their own failed strategies, while we have all suffered."

"We firmly believe that Trump can and will address these issues effectively, while reinstating the confidence of a safe and prosperous United States of America. Trump has reminded the world of the greatness of this country, [and] he is the right person to continue to Make America Even Greater."

Trump supporters hopeful for the backing of 2 other police unions

This was not the first time the IUPA threw its support behind Trump – it previously did so in 2020. Aside from the IUPA, two other police unions – the National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) and the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) – also expressed support at the time.
...

[TwitchySeal]

More and more American groups are supporting Trump. They are seeing through the sham trials.


International Union of Police Associations officially endorses DONALD TRUMP for 2024 presidential election


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-14-iupa-officially-endorses-trump-for-2024-election.html


The International Union of Police Associations (IUPA) has officially endorsed Donald Trump for the 2024 presidential election.

IUPA President Sam Cabral praised the former president's support for law enforcement in a Feb. 6 press release, touting how Trump "has earned and deserves our wholehearted support." He continued: "Trump's history of support for the men and women of law enforcement is unmatched. His policies and actions were directed at improving safety in our communities and the men and women who provide that shield."

The organization chartered in 1979 took a firm stance against certain aspects of Democratic policies. Cabral accused the Democrats of supporting initiatives such as defunding the police, advocating for sanctuary cities and open borders and reducing accountability for criminal behavior.

These measures, he added, have had "tragic" consequences for communities in the form of business closures and increased criminal activity. Moreover, the head of the police union also disclosed the alarming rate at which police departments are losing officers – leading to a diminished law enforcement presence.

"Roving gangs are terrorizing retail businesses, raiding them with absolute impunity akin to a thousand-year-old past – regressive rather than their own progressive ideology," wrote Cabral. "They have not dealt with the consequences of their own failed strategies, while we have all suffered."

"We firmly believe that Trump can and will address these issues effectively, while reinstating the confidence of a safe and prosperous United States of America. Trump has reminded the world of the greatness of this country, [and] he is the right person to continue to Make America Even Greater."

Trump supporters hopeful for the backing of 2 other police unions

This was not the first time the IUPA threw its support behind Trump – it previously did so in 2020. Aside from the IUPA, two other police unions – the National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) and the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) – also expressed support at the time.
...

People that run scam charities have to stick together...

https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/sarasota/profile/soliciting-organizations/international-union-of-police-associations-0653-90042832/customer-reviews


They promise to help families of fallen officers. But they’re mostly paying telemarketers.
A union-backed police charity spends just a sliver of its money on those it purports to serve
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/iupa-leorf-police-union-charity-telemarketers/

[BADecker]

More and more American groups are supporting Trump. They are seeing through the sham trials.


International Union of Police Associations officially endorses DONALD TRUMP for 2024 presidential election


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-14-iupa-officially-endorses-trump-for-2024-election.html


The International Union of Police Associations (IUPA) has officially endorsed Donald Trump for the 2024 presidential election.

IUPA President Sam Cabral praised the former president's support for law enforcement in a Feb. 6 press release, touting how Trump "has earned and deserves our wholehearted support." He continued: "Trump's history of support for the men and women of law enforcement is unmatched. His policies and actions were directed at improving safety in our communities and the men and women who provide that shield."

The organization chartered in 1979 took a firm stance against certain aspects of Democratic policies. Cabral accused the Democrats of supporting initiatives such as defunding the police, advocating for sanctuary cities and open borders and reducing accountability for criminal behavior.

These measures, he added, have had "tragic" consequences for communities in the form of business closures and increased criminal activity. Moreover, the head of the police union also disclosed the alarming rate at which police departments are losing officers – leading to a diminished law enforcement presence.

"Roving gangs are terrorizing retail businesses, raiding them with absolute impunity akin to a thousand-year-old past – regressive rather than their own progressive ideology," wrote Cabral. "They have not dealt with the consequences of their own failed strategies, while we have all suffered."

"We firmly believe that Trump can and will address these issues effectively, while reinstating the confidence of a safe and prosperous United States of America. Trump has reminded the world of the greatness of this country, [and] he is the right person to continue to Make America Even Greater."

Trump supporters hopeful for the backing of 2 other police unions

This was not the first time the IUPA threw its support behind Trump – it previously did so in 2020. Aside from the IUPA, two other police unions – the National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) and the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) – also expressed support at the time.
...

People that run scam charities have to stick together...

https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/sarasota/profile/soliciting-organizations/international-union-of-police-associations-0653-90042832/customer-reviews


They promise to help families of fallen officers. But they’re mostly paying telemarketers.
A union-backed police charity spends just a sliver of its money on those it purports to serve
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/iupa-leorf-police-union-charity-telemarketers/

Lol. I should have expected you'd do the same. The same what?

Possibly you have heard a little from the Bible in the past. Do you remember this from Matthew chapter 23? Jesus speaking to the Pharisees:

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

So, the Republican Party has had a little mismanagement of funds. And the amounts are a handful of $millions. And we don't know that Trump even knew what was happening; he was trusting his campaign manager.

But here you go, straining out this gnat, while Biden and his regime destroy the US by sending money to Ukraine and the Middle East, causing high inflation in the US, killing off as many as 600,000 with unnecessary war, attacking America with illegals over the border, and a ton of other things... to the tune of way more than $200 billion. And now they are trying to do even more. And you want to ignore the Biden camel.

And all you can do is pick on a few paltry million, blaming a guy who did a whole big MAGA chunk of good for the country and the world.

You get more pathetic as the days go by.


Superior Court Judge just dropped a nuke on Big Fani's fanny…


https://revolver.news/2024/02/superior-court-judge-just-dropped-a-nuke-on-big-fani/
Willis was pulling out all the stops to prevent this upcoming hearing, but the judge wasn't having any of it. Not only did he insist on proceeding with the hearing, but he also hinted that Fani might have just disqualified herself and thus ended the sham trial against Trump, thanks to her crooked ways.

Here's what Professor Turley had to say about the latest events:

It appears that Fani Willis has failed to block a hearing into her alleged conflict of interest. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee is quoted as saying "Because I think it's possible that the facts alleged by the defendant could result in disqualification, I think an evidentiary hearing must occur to establish the record on those core allegations."

…Willis and Wade have more to fear than disqualification if they knowingly filed false statements with the Court. Indeed, they can look to their own case on how such filings can result in bar or criminal charges.

It's refreshing to finally see justice being served against someone many of us thought was untouchable. It's clear that the judge is not finding anything amusing about this situation or what Fani's been up to.

Lawyer Mike Cernovich chimed in with Professor Turley on Fani's alleged lies and cover-up. Mike pointed out that Fani's actions actually fall under "RICO" territory, not the fake accusations being hurled against President Trump.

Meanwhile, Revolver recently highlighted a story involving a co-defendant of Trump, who has witnesses ready to prove that Big Fani lied in court.
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[TwitchySeal]

But here you go, straining out this gnat, while Biden and his regime destroy the US by sending money to Ukraine and the Middle East, causing high inflation in the US, killing off as many as 600,000 with unnecessary war, attacking America with illegals over the border, and a ton of other things... to the tune of way more than $200 billion. And now they are trying to do even more. And you want to ignore the Biden camel.

Inflation is not caused by sending money to other countries.  If anything, that would reduce inflation, not increase it

Putin invaded Ukraine and refuses to stop attacking them.  Without help, Ukraine would not be able to defend itself.  They would lose all the rights that western democracies enjoy and people in countries like Russia do not.    Do you remember what the bible says about helping those in need?

"Protect the rights of all who are helpless. Speak for them and be a righteous judge. Protect the rights of the poor and needy”
Proverbs 31


By the way, have you heard Biden has created more jobs than Trump, unemployment has been lower than when Trump was in office, and after 37 months, the stock market is higher than it was ever under Trump.  Here's a look at how the stock market was at this point in the last 8 presidents terms:



PS - Did you hear about the Trump appointed special council that's been looking into Hunter Biden has made an arrest?

WASHINGTON — An FBI informant has been indicted on two counts for allegedly feeding the bureau false information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, disliked Joe Biden and was arrested in Las Vegas after returning from a trip overseas, according to the Justice Department. The case grew out of the special counsel investigation being led by David Weiss, who is also leading the case against Hunter Biden. Weiss had been appointed by then-President Donald Trump as the top federal prosecutor in Delaware.

An attorney for Hunter Biden told NBC News that Republicans had been warned that they “built their conspiracies about Hunter and his family on lies told by people with agendas, not facts.”

“This is just another instance of Chairman [James] Comer and [Rep. Jim] Jordan peddling falsehoods based on dishonest, uncredible allegations and witnesses,” Abbe Lowell, Hunter Biden’s attorney, continued in the statement.

House Oversight Committee Ranking Member Jamie Raskin called for an end to the impeachment inquiry following the announcement of the indictment against Smirnov.

Smirnov's account was critical to Republicans' impeachment inquiry into the president.

“This is the biggest political corruption scandal, not only in my lifetime, but I would say the past 100 years,” Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., chair of the House Republican Conference, told “Fox & Friends” in June of what Republicans had termed the “Biden bribery scheme.”

But according to the indictment, Smirnov's claims to the FBI, which he first made in June 2020, "were fabrications," and, in truth, he only "had contact with executives from Burisma in 2017," when Joe Biden had left office as vice president and "had no ability" to influence U.S. policy.

"In short, the Defendant transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against [Joe Biden], the presumptive nominee of one of the two major political parties for President, after expressing bias against [Joe Biden] and his candidacy," the indictment alleges.

The indictment also states that Smirnov "repeated some of his false claims" after being interviewed by FBI special agents last September — after Hunter Biden's plea deal fell apart that summer — while Smirnov "changed his story as to other of his claims, and promoted a new false narrative after he said he met with Russian officials."

Smirnov wrote in one May 2020 message to his FBI handler that Joe Biden was "going to jail" and suggested that he knew some of the allegations "should be soon in the news."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-charges-fbi-informant-lying-bureau-hunter-joe-biden-rcna139091



The election results, the classified documents, the financial fraud, the porn star affairs, The “Biden bribery scheme”, the list keeps going for so long....and it's obviously only going to get longer, I feel embarrassed for all those people that keep getting fooled over..and over...and over...

[paxmao]

At this point, only the ones that wish to be fooled are still fooled or they simply do not care. US dream is over, it has failed to millions like it failed during the big depression of 1929. People are desperate to try anything different and the ultra-liberals in the US have found that the populism is the way to get richer, while keeping the commoners happy even eager about the stealing yet another bit of the national wealth.

[Hispo]

I have read speculation on the internet about Trump and his asset managers to be considering to liquidate some of their real state assets in order to pay for the reparations and damages of the civil trials, while they appeal, that is.
It seems that in the United States, even if you plan you appeal the decision on a civil case, then one is supposed to deposit the full damages amount of money as collateral until the appeal comes to effect. Depending on how the appeal goes, then one or the other party will get the money.
Knowing how such a sore loser can Trump be, he would rather not to sell anything to get enough collateral and appeal the judgement, he is likely to use some of his properties as collateral and ask for a loan. Which is quite ironic of we consider he is in court because the way he valuated his own properties to benefit himself.

At this point, only the ones that wish to be fooled are still fooled or they simply do not care. US dream is over, it has failed to millions like it failed during the big depression of 1929. People are desperate to try anything different and the ultra-liberals in the US have found that the populism is the way to get richer, while keeping the commoners happy even eager about the stealing yet another bit of the national wealth.

Depending whom you ask, the American dream is over, indeed.
We are going though very strange and changeling times, I have myself talked to people who live in the United States and it seems it is pretty much a monumental work to keep oneself there, because of the price of the good and services and the small increase of the real salary. though, I have seen critically talking about the American dream can be perspectived as anti-patriotic there.

[BADecker]

Lol. And somebody complained about $8 million in mismanaged Rep Party funds. Videos included.


MAGA fans set up $355 MILLION fundraiser to pay former president Trump's latest legal bill - with GoFundMe raising nearly $50,000 within hours of fraud verdict


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095185/donald-trump-fundraiser-legal-bill-fraud-verdict-gofundme.html
Scientologists Elena and Grant Cardone established a GoFundMe page to help pay Donald Trump's latest legal bill.

The ardent MAGA supporters set up the page hours after the former president was ordered to pay $355 million fine for lying about his wealth for years.

'I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York' Elena Cardone wrote on the page.

Cardone is seeking donations from supporters to cover the full cost of Trump's fine.

However, only $201,000 had been donated as of Sunday morning.

'The recent legal battles he faces are not just an attack on him, but an attack on the very ideals of fairness and due process that every American deserves' Cardone wrote. 

This is more than a legal fund,' she explained, 'it's a call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us.'

The judgement on Friday found Trump, his company and executives, including his two eldest sons, schemed to dupe banks, insurers and others by inflating his wealth on financial statements.

It is the latest fallout in Trump's ongoing legal woes, that include an upcoming trial for election fraud and another for sanctioning 'hush money' payments to an adult entertainer ahead of the 2016 election.
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[paxmao]

Lol. And somebody complained about $8 million in mismanaged Rep Party funds. Videos included.


MAGA fans set up $355 MILLION fundraiser to pay former president Trump's latest legal bill - with GoFundMe raising nearly $50,000 within hours of fraud verdict


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095185/donald-trump-fundraiser-legal-bill-fraud-verdict-gofundme.html
Scientologists Elena and Grant Cardone established a GoFundMe page to help pay Donald Trump's latest legal bill.

The ardent MAGA supporters set up the page hours after the former president was ordered to pay $355 million fine for lying about his wealth for years.

'I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York' Elena Cardone wrote on the page.

Cardone is seeking donations from supporters to cover the full cost of Trump's fine.

However, only $201,000 had been donated as of Sunday morning.

'The recent legal battles he faces are not just an attack on him, but an attack on the very ideals of fairness and due process that every American deserves' Cardone wrote.  

This is more than a legal fund,' she explained, 'it's a call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us.'

The judgement on Friday found Trump, his company and executives, including his two eldest sons, schemed to dupe banks, insurers and others by inflating his wealth on financial statements.

It is the latest fallout in Trump's ongoing legal woes, that include an upcoming trial for election fraud and another for sanctioning 'hush money' payments to an adult entertainer ahead of the 2016 election.
...

Make sure you let us know how that fund-riser goes, I mean, if it is going anywhere given the distance between the "needs" of Trump and the shy support he is getting. Honestly, it would be much better to put there a republican that does not owe so much money that need everyone to chip into his legal bills. Just dump Trump, let his sink into oblivion and get anyone else with the same programme.

JUST dump the TRUMP

[Hispo]

Lol. And somebody complained about $8 million in mismanaged Rep Party funds. Videos included.


MAGA fans set up $355 MILLION fundraiser to pay former president Trump's latest legal bill - with GoFundMe raising nearly $50,000 within hours of fraud verdict


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095185/donald-trump-fundraiser-legal-bill-fraud-verdict-gofundme.html
Scientologists Elena and Grant Cardone established a GoFundMe page to help pay Donald Trump's latest legal bill.

The ardent MAGA supporters set up the page hours after the former president was ordered to pay $355 million fine for lying about his wealth for years.

'I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York' Elena Cardone wrote on the page.

Cardone is seeking donations from supporters to cover the full cost of Trump's fine.

However, only $201,000 had been donated as of Sunday morning.

'The recent legal battles he faces are not just an attack on him, but an attack on the very ideals of fairness and due process that every American deserves' Cardone wrote.  

This is more than a legal fund,' she explained, 'it's a call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us.'

The judgement on Friday found Trump, his company and executives, including his two eldest sons, schemed to dupe banks, insurers and others by inflating his wealth on financial statements.

It is the latest fallout in Trump's ongoing legal woes, that include an upcoming trial for election fraud and another for sanctioning 'hush money' payments to an adult entertainer ahead of the 2016 election.
...

Make sure you let us know how that fund-riser goes, I mean, if it is going anywhere given the distance between the "needs" of Trump and the shy support he is getting. Honestly, it would be much better to put there a republican that does not owe so much money that need everyone to chip into his legal bills. Just dump Trump, let his sink into oblivion and get anyone else with the same programme.

JUST dump the TRUMP

I mean. It is not so easy for someone like Trump to be dumped as easy, after all he has got a pretty tight power over the Republican party. For Trump to end up being dumped, it would take all of the major player within the party to do it at the same time, most of them do not like Trump anyways, are just behind him because of power and because he continue to be the future of the Republican party, at least in the coming years. But if all of them dumped him, it would be easier for him to be replaced by a normal Republican candidate and leader, some establishment republican which is worried about legislation and not whether ending up in prison for 91 indictments.

The crowdfunding is interesting by itself, by the way. It may not completely cover the legal losses of Trump, but it certainly show how many fan Trump has out there. Trumps continues to talk on how Biden has ruined the economy and trashing the country, etc. But on the other hand, I know he would be willing to accept that money, instead being coherent with his speech and demand for the money to be returned to each donator, do they can survive the alleged horrible economy which is going on.

[shtangencirkool]

Dwarf poodle Trump is recognized as fraudster and scammer by  Justice ARTHUR F. ENGORON

[BADecker]

Looks like the Deep State will need to find a new hero for this part of the Trump trials. I think that if we delve deep enough, we will find Deep State criminality that is this bad or worse in all the Trump trials.


Fani Willis’ lawyer donated to anti-Trump propaganda pushers, National Pulse reports/url]


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-20-willis-lawyer-donated-to-anti-trump-propaganda.html
An exclusive report by the radically independent news outlet, The National Pulse, indicated that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's lawyer Anna Cross regularly donates to the state of Georgia's Democrat Senators, Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, as well as to President Joe Biden, and has also sent money to the viciously anti-Trump "Lincoln Project."

Cross represents Willis as well as the key special prosecutor and attorney in former President Donald Trump's 2020 election interference case Nathan Wade, who admitted to having a personal relationship with Willis. The said "demolition project for Trump" claims to be dedicated to the preservation, protection and defense of democracy."

"Since our launch in December 2019, the 'Lincoln Project' has played a unique role in American politics. We entered the political arena with two objectives: first, to defeat Donald Trump at the ballot box in 2020. (Done.) The second was to ensure Trumpism failed alongside him. We understand that the real fight against Trumpism is just beginning and we’re committed to seeing it through. Our democracy depends on it," their website stated.

Willis and Wade are currently facing disqualification from Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) prosecution of the former president and his supposed "allies" for allegedly interfering in the 2020 presidential election. (Related: SMURFING: New complaint accuses Fulton County DA Fani Willis of illegally using people's info for CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.)

Meanwhile, Cross was also appointed as a special prosecutor on the mentioned RICO case. "While it is not unusual for attorneys like Cross, who are active in state politics, to make partisan contributions, they do typically tend to avoid supporting highly partisan non-profit groups such as 'Indivisible Action,'" Pulse reported. She also donated to the said left-cult organization that has 3,000 local groups under its umbrella. Their main purpose is to "extricate Trump from his 2024 election bid."
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[TwitchySeal]

Lol. And somebody complained about $8 million in mismanaged Rep Party funds. Videos included.


MAGA fans set up $355 MILLION fundraiser to pay former president Trump's latest legal bill - with GoFundMe raising nearly $50,000 within hours of fraud verdict


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095185/donald-trump-fundraiser-legal-bill-fraud-verdict-gofundme.html
Scientologists Elena and Grant Cardone established a GoFundMe page to help pay Donald Trump's latest legal bill.

The ardent MAGA supporters set up the page hours after the former president was ordered to pay $355 million fine for lying about his wealth for years.

'I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York' Elena Cardone wrote on the page.

Cardone is seeking donations from supporters to cover the full cost of Trump's fine.

However, only $201,000 had been donated as of Sunday morning.

'The recent legal battles he faces are not just an attack on him, but an attack on the very ideals of fairness and due process that every American deserves' Cardone wrote.  

This is more than a legal fund,' she explained, 'it's a call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us.'

The judgement on Friday found Trump, his company and executives, including his two eldest sons, schemed to dupe banks, insurers and others by inflating his wealth on financial statements.

It is the latest fallout in Trump's ongoing legal woes, that include an upcoming trial for election fraud and another for sanctioning 'hush money' payments to an adult entertainer ahead of the 2016 election.
...

Hey that reminds me, remember that "We Build The Wall" fundraisers a bunch of Magatards ran that ended up being a total scam?  Steve Bannon was scheduled to go to trial on fraud charges in May, but I can't find any updates on it in over 6 months (he's been convicted and sentenced to 4 months in prison for defying subpoena since then).

If the date is still a go, that could be a nice interlude between Trumps pornstar/2016 election fraud trial and the the 2020 attempt to steal the election trial.

In case anyone isn't up t odate, so far:

✅A jury found Trump liable and ordered to pay $5m for inserting his finger into a womans vagina without her consent (or as Trump would say "grab her by the pussy") in a NYC department store dressing room and then defaming her.  (he tried to spin this ruling as vindication because they found that he did not rape her because NY State law requires a penis to be inserted for it to be considered rape, fingers is just assault, although it could have been his penis, she wasn't sure, it was about the size of a small finger though - ok, i'm making that last bit up)

✅Another jury in a different trial ordered Trump to pay her another ~$80 million for lots and lots more defamation.  (He kept doing it during the trial, but seems to have stopped after seeing how expensive it was)

✅A jury found the Trump Org guilty of felony fraud.  (CEO went to prison, might be going back again for perjuring himself as a witness in one of his bosses trials)

✅A judge found Trump, Don Jr. and Eric Trump guilty of financial fraud and banned them all from doing any business in NY State and fined them over $400 million.

❓Trump will be tried by jury for creating a fake company to pay of a pornstar he had an affair in violation of campaign finance laws a week or so before the election.

❓Trump will be tried by jury for trying to steal the election by convincing a bunch of magatards to submit fake documents claiming they were the real electors from a bunch of states he lost, and then trying to get the Vice President to count the fake votes instead of the real ones via angry violent mob chanting "hang mike pence".

---The 2024 election will probably take place between these two trials---

❓Federal Trial by jury for hoarding tons of super classified documents, and then refusing to give them back, and then hiding them and lying about giving them back.  And also showing some of them to a journalist while lying about what they said.


❓And finally (maybe?) tthe GA Rico case, which isn't federal, where he's accused of trying to intimidate a bunch of officials into declaring him the winner of the state even though he lost, and some 100% innocent poll workers that were literally just doing their job by calling them things like "professional vote scammers" which obviously resulted in a constant flow of death threats and them having to move, go into hiding and change their appearance.  (They already bankrupted Rudy Giuliani in a defamation case)

[o48o]

I have read speculation on the internet about Trump and his asset managers to be considering to liquidate some of their real state assets in order to pay for the reparations and damages of the civil trials, while they appeal, that is.
It seems that in the United States, even if you plan you appeal the decision on a civil case, then one is supposed to deposit the full damages amount of money as collateral until the appeal comes to effect. Depending on how the appeal goes, then one or the other party will get the money.
Knowing how such a sore loser can Trump be, he would rather not to sell anything to get enough collateral and appeal the judgement, he is likely to use some of his properties as collateral and ask for a loan. Which is quite ironic of we consider he is in court because the way he valuated his own properties to benefit himself.
-cut-

Funny thing is, while his fortune is tied to real estates, his real state assets might be loan collateral already.
And if he sells those, he needs to pay taxes for any capital gains from them, and either pay those loans he got by using collateral or fund them somehow again.

And he is probably forced to sell trump tower, which will go cheap as who the hell is going to buy that with cash with one month warning?

So good luck with his golden 'never surrender' sneakers and new nfts funding what he owes.

[paxmao]

I have read speculation on the internet about Trump and his asset managers to be considering to liquidate some of their real state assets in order to pay for the reparations and damages of the civil trials, while they appeal, that is.
It seems that in the United States, even if you plan you appeal the decision on a civil case, then one is supposed to deposit the full damages amount of money as collateral until the appeal comes to effect. Depending on how the appeal goes, then one or the other party will get the money.
Knowing how such a sore loser can Trump be, he would rather not to sell anything to get enough collateral and appeal the judgement, he is likely to use some of his properties as collateral and ask for a loan. Which is quite ironic of we consider he is in court because the way he valuated his own properties to benefit himself.
-cut-

Funny thing is, while his fortune is tied to real estates, his real state assets might be loan collateral already.
And if he sells those, he needs to pay taxes for any capital gains from them, and either pay those loans he got by using collateral or fund them somehow again.

And he is probably forced to sell trump tower, which will go cheap as who the hell is going to buy that with cash with one month warning?

So good luck with his golden 'never surrender' sneakers and new nfts funding what he owes.

There is a clear possibility of having lots of his assets in opaque societies to avoid or even evade tax. He has never made public his assets and it has been nearly impossible to summon the records of these. They may simply be to revealing of the societal structure that Trump has probably built and does not want to be made public. Perhaps even all those who cheer him would eventually understand that Trump cares little about the US.

My guess, he would declare bankruptcy, while keeping his asset to whatever the names or societies and then... play the victim, as usual.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

You just have to understand that corruption is everywhere and we don't need to be surprised because they would want to use every means and opportunity to make sure that Trump is not able to contest in this year election. All this plans are in vain.
I am very happen that Trump would be contesting for this year election and he's going to kick out Jeo Biden that has not been competence with his duty to make American dream comes to live again.

This fight revailling what Trump had down even when it seem to be alledge in most case, I think the evidence is not enough, though some are manipulation from opposition to weaken is contest interest, curruption can't not be one sided all of this allegations and trial, in the government setting, I strongly believe some things they are trying him of pass through team work if truly it was done. But still see all these as publicizing trump more because if truly allowed on this 2024 election will go back white house. Curruption is everywhere it depends how a nation handle theirs.

[BADecker]

Looks like the court of public opinion is favoring Trump over Biden more and more all the time. Video included.


Latest Polling: Trump Strengthens His LEAD in Key Battlegrounds on 2024 Election Map


https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2024/03/05/latest-polling-trump-strengthens-his-lead-in-key-battlegrounds-on-2024-election-map-trump-will-win-by-record-margins-on-super-tuesday/
In today's update for the 2024 Decision Desk HQ polling average, we're going to explore the potential landscape of the 2024 electoral college map, drawing on the most recent polling data from Decision Desk HQ and The Hill.

In the most recent CBS News poll, Donald Trump is currently leading over President Biden in national support as we head towards the upcoming general election, which is still eight months away. President Biden has not been able to secure the same level of support from some important Democratic voter groups that he had in 2020. Despite facing potential issues due to legal matters, Donald Trump has managed to maintain strong support from his primary voter base.

Key Findings from Voter Groups:

Black Voters: A significant number of Black voters have expressed their intention to vote for President Biden. However, his support among this group has dropped since the 2020 election.

Hispanic Voters: President Biden still holds an advantage among Hispanic voters, but the gap between him and Trump has narrowed compared to the 2020 election. The Republican Party has made some gains with Hispanic voters in recent elections, and President Biden has struggled to convince many Black and Hispanic voters that their financial situation will improve if he is re-elected.
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[Kingperry22]

The crazy part about this latest Trump witch hunt is that there is actually more evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade and molested his own daughter in the shower than there is that Trump raped this mentally ill weirdo. I’m sure this travesty of justice will be overturned in appeals court because it’s just too ridiculous not to.

You just have to understand that corruption is everywhere and we don't need to be surprised because they would want to use every means and opportunity to make sure that Trump is not able to contest in this year election. All this plans are in vain.
I am very happen that Trump would be contesting for this year election and he's going to kick out Jeo Biden that has not been competence with his duty to make American dream comes to live again.

This fight revailling what Trump had down even when it seem to be alledge in most case, I think the evidence is not enough, though some are manipulation from opposition to weaken is contest interest, curruption can't not be one sided all of this allegations and trial, in the government setting, I strongly believe some things they are trying him of pass through team work if truly it was done. But still see all these as publicizing trump more because if truly allowed on this 2024 election will go back white house. Curruption is everywhere it depends how a nation handles theirs.

Trump's trade and international policies stood out during his first tenure compared to the figures Biden is pulling, we can't in any way label Trump as being corrupt... The electoral institution globally has been tagged corrupt due to failure in security of the database, we hope it doesn't repeat itself again!

[Kingperry22]

Looks like the court of public opinion is favoring Trump over Biden more and more all the time. Video included.


Latest Polling: Trump Strengthens His LEAD in Key Battlegrounds on 2024 Election Map


https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2024/03/05/latest-polling-trump-strengthens-his-lead-in-key-battlegrounds-on-2024-election-map-trump-will-win-by-record-margins-on-super-tuesday/
In today's update for the 2024 Decision Desk HQ polling average, we're going to explore the potential landscape of the 2024 electoral college map, drawing on the most recent polling data from Decision Desk HQ and The Hill.

In the most recent CBS News poll, Donald Trump is currently leading over President Biden in national support as we head towards the upcoming general election, which is still eight months away. President Biden has not been able to secure the same level of support from some important Democratic voter groups that he had in 2020. Despite facing potential issues due to legal matters, Donald Trump has managed to maintain strong support from his primary voter base.

Key Findings from Voter Groups:

Black Voters: A significant number of Black voters have expressed their intention to vote for President Biden. However, his support among this group has dropped since the 2020 election.

Hispanic Voters: President Biden still holds an advantage among Hispanic voters, but the gap between him and Trump has narrowed compared to the 2020 election. The Republican Party has made some gains with Hispanic voters in recent elections, and President Biden has struggled to convince many Black and Hispanic voters that their financial situation will improve if he is re-elected.
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The race card is now in favour of Trump. The far-leftist keeps deceiving people with the wrong info. All eyes will be on the swing states, in defense of my reasoning i believe the swing states will be the decide.

[BADecker]

Looks like the court of public opinion is favoring Trump over Biden more and more all the time. Video included.


Latest Polling: Trump Strengthens His LEAD in Key Battlegrounds on 2024 Election Map


https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2024/03/05/latest-polling-trump-strengthens-his-lead-in-key-battlegrounds-on-2024-election-map-trump-will-win-by-record-margins-on-super-tuesday/
In today's update for the 2024 Decision Desk HQ polling average, we're going to explore the potential landscape of the 2024 electoral college map, drawing on the most recent polling data from Decision Desk HQ and The Hill.

In the most recent CBS News poll, Donald Trump is currently leading over President Biden in national support as we head towards the upcoming general election, which is still eight months away. President Biden has not been able to secure the same level of support from some important Democratic voter groups that he had in 2020. Despite facing potential issues due to legal matters, Donald Trump has managed to maintain strong support from his primary voter base.

Key Findings from Voter Groups:

Black Voters: A significant number of Black voters have expressed their intention to vote for President Biden. However, his support among this group has dropped since the 2020 election.

Hispanic Voters: President Biden still holds an advantage among Hispanic voters, but the gap between him and Trump has narrowed compared to the 2020 election. The Republican Party has made some gains with Hispanic voters in recent elections, and President Biden has struggled to convince many Black and Hispanic voters that their financial situation will improve if he is re-elected.
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The race card is now in favour of Trump. The far-leftist keeps deceiving people with the wrong info. All eyes will be on the swing states, in defense of my reasoning i believe the swing states will be the decide.

The potential problem for Trump is that the Left still has control of the electronics and the media. They will attempt to use these to steal the next election like they did the last.

One benefit that the Reps have, now, is that Mike Lindell has placed Wi-Fi 'protection' devices in the voting areas of major voting places, to show when faulty election tampering is being done - https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-lindell-wi-fi-blockers-protect-evil-chinese-communist-party-2023-8?op=1 and https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mike+lindell+voting+wifi+detection+evices&t=ffab&ia=web.

[paxmao]

It is funny how people here speak of far-leftist. There is no far-left in the US, even the most-left democrat is a well convinced capitalist by the standards of the rest of the world. Even Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to Europe's left wing parties, not to mention countries with proper communist parties. The Republicans have now thrown the dice, which means they are now going to live with the fact that some states may disqualify Trump from running due to his many trials.

[BADecker]

^^^ You simply don't understand how far left the US Left is. Being left doesn't necessarily mean NO capitalism. Rather, it means socialism, even with capitalism involved. And in the case of the US Left, it means world socialism under the control of the US Left. To say it clearer, it means the basic Marxist tenets being implemented in extensive ways that Marx didn't even dream of. It means enslavement of the populations of the world. The enslavement is being implemented through capitalism through the petro-dollar.

America is supposed to be a free republic. It isn't supposed to be dabbling in world control. Manufacturing and jobs aren't supposed to be shipped out to all kinds of foreign countries. The US money system is supposed to be for the US, just like the money systems of other countries are supposed to be for those countries.

Other countries that are trying to emulate the US socialism, have simply fallen under the control of the US socialism. You simply don't understand how deep and widespread US socialism is.

The US Supreme Court has outlawed taking Trump of the ballot in all States. The method of enforcement remains to be seen.

[paxmao]

Well, there seems to be problems for Trump to cough a millionaire bond

"Some major Republican donors were working together to help U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump fund the original bond amount needed to cover his $454 million civil fraud judgment ahead of Monday's deadline, three sources briefed on the matter told Reuters.
Former Republican President Trump needs to pay a bond in a New York civil case in which he was found liable for fraudulently inflating his net worth by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/billionaires-sought-help-fund-trump-bond-civil-fraud-case-sources-say-2024-03-26/

The judge is now accepting 175M in 10 days, just to allow Trump to not part with his properties - which by the way may carry other issues if he has misrepresented his fortune in anyway.

As I said in my post "dump the Trump", this candidate upkeep is becoming very expensive to all those donors that support him - even when they are precisely not "commoners" or "the people" as we would understand?

[BADecker]

Well, there seems to be problems for Trump to cough a millionaire bond

"Some major Republican donors were working together to help U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump fund the original bond amount needed to cover his $454 million civil fraud judgment ahead of Monday's deadline, three sources briefed on the matter told Reuters.
Former Republican President Trump needs to pay a bond in a New York civil case in which he was found liable for fraudulently inflating his net worth by billions of dollars to secure better loan and insurance terms."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/billionaires-sought-help-fund-trump-bond-civil-fraud-case-sources-say-2024-03-26/

The judge is now accepting 175M in 10 days, just to allow Trump to not part with his properties - which by the way may carry other issues if he has misrepresented his fortune in anyway.

As I said in my post "dump the Trump", this candidate upkeep is becoming very expensive to all those donors that support him - even when they are precisely not "commoners" or "the people" as we would understand?

But now Trump suddenly has enough clout to get that bond. He'll probably get any monies back when he wins on appeal. How will he win? First, he just made $3 billion in assets, enough to easily get backing for a measly $175 million bond. And he'll win on appeal for election interference, and because nobody who was dealing with Trump made claims of being defrauded.

But the clincher starts about 2 minutes into this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNSxBuOu92w - with reasonably famous pollster, Frank Luntz. Seems like the Dems have backed themselves into a corner. The more they fight Trump, the more popular they make him. If the judge forces a showdown with Trump being forced to pay, Trump will become so popular in the polls, that if he doesn't win, the people will revolt. Because they will know the election was stolen for sure.

[TwitchySeal]

But now Trump suddenly has enough clout to get that bond. He'll probably get any monies back when he wins on appeal. How will he win? First, he just made $3 billion in assets, enough to easily get backing for a measly $175 million bond.

Gaining 3 billion in assets will not help him win the appeal since it's completely irrelevant to the facts of the case.

And he'll win on appeal for election interference

Wrong case.

There are two election interference cases, one in DC where he tried to steal the 2020 election after he lost it and one in NYC where 2 weeks before the 2016 election to increase his chances of winning he made a fake company to pay a pornstar because he didn't want to follow the election finance laws.

and because nobody who was dealing with Trump made claims of being defrauded.

Establishing fraud does not require another party to claim to be defrauded.

[paxmao]

But now Trump suddenly has enough clout to get that bond. He'll probably get any monies back when he wins on appeal. How will he win? First, he just made $3 billion in assets, enough to easily get backing for a measly $175 million bond.

Gaining 3 billion in assets will not help him win the appeal since it's completely irrelevant to the facts of the case.

And he'll win on appeal for election interference

Wrong case.

There are two election interference cases, one in DC where he tried to steal the 2020 election after he lost it and one in NYC where 2 weeks before the 2016 election to increase his chances of winning he made a fake company to pay a pornstar because he didn't want to follow the election finance laws.

and because nobody who was dealing with Trump made claims of being defrauded.

Establishing fraud does not require another party to claim to be defrauded.

3 Billion... sure, why not 20 Billion? Go big dumBAss, since you do not need to justify anything you say why not "erring a bit on the optimistic side".

The fact is that Trump boast about owning this and that but he does not ever speak about owing this and that. It all becomes clear when he has to pay a bond for a very limited sum compared to his theoretical assets and has to say to the judge that "it is too much". As Warren buffet says, when the tide is low, you can see who is swimming naked.

[BADecker]

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The facts of the case? This is the way that big business operates. It isn't Trump. It is the whole business system, including the banking system... and the judicial system, as shown by the way they are treating Trump. If there was Trump fraud, it is something that is condoned and accepted by the banking system. The judicial system is making a mockery of justice by so forcefully attacking Trump and not going after the rest of the country as well... if there was anything that Trump did wrong.

You are simply biased against Trump for some reason, and it probably has to do with the fact that some of Trump's activities as President would interfere with your money making schemes, and take some money and give it to the people... a real Bernie Sanders ideal. Not just an appearance of 'for the people', on the outside like Sanders is.

As far as Trump being helped or not by the change in Truth Social, if you check into it, you will see that the change is not bringing a direct $3 billion into Trump's pocket. Rather, it's simply giving him enough 'clout' so that he can get his bonds without  any trouble.

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I know, I know. It hurts that Trump winning the election means justice for Russia in the war. Poor baby. Ukraine will simply have to stop sucking off the teat of the US money system. The question is, how much money are you getting of the US funds being pushed into Ukraine that you are so in favor of the war and the killing?

[AVE5]

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

You're right. That's a visible figure that of Trumps finally gets convicted it would negative affect the republicans political structures and even at this moment, the political sector doesn't seem aling with the formations towards taking rulership positions because as it stance now, they're distabilized and most focused on how to deliver Trump's from the forces against him.
Meanwhile if the pressure persists, they would surely be pull back of memebers who has sighted they'd never regain to proclaim the presidential position so they'd earlier on make a pull back so they don't keep flirting around loosing teams.
In politics when things goes weird memebers would always pull back while some stays loyal just says said @sesterceshop

[TwitchySeal]

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The facts of the case? This is the way that big business operates. It isn't Trump. It is the whole business system, including the banking system... and the judicial system, as shown by the way they are treating Trump.

Ok well Trump is going through the judicial process, which is run by the judicial system.  So the facts of the case are what matters.

All the rambling political rhetoric might get his base all frothy at the mouth, but in court it's the facts of the case that matters...and that's the way it should be.  Facts matter.

That's cute how you have Trump on a separate pedestal away from the evils of big businesses (he runs them) and the judicial system (full of Trump appointed judges) btw...

[paxmao]

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I know, I know. It hurts that Trump winning the election means justice for Russia in the war. Poor baby. Ukraine will simply have to stop sucking off the teat of the US money system. The question is, how much money are you getting of the US funds being pushed into Ukraine that you are so in favor of the war and the killing?

Told you many time dumBAss... there is no way you will scape the bill for being the preeminent nation in the world. Your choice is to pay now the bill while Ukraine does he fighting with you or face in the future a strong Ruzzia and a strong China which have geostrategic interests that I would describe as two trains running at full speed against each other relative to US. That will be a real "bill" that the US may not even be able to afford.

I know they do not teach this in Texas, but your country (if you are US, I suspect you may be Chinese) is not "free" because the world is a nice place full of friends.

But on-topic. Trump has asked for relief from a very "small sum" compared to his assets. That is sending a very clear message of where his personal finances seems to be. It speaks louder than anything he may say, so I am going to allow myself a



signature myself this time. And well... let's see if Trump wins or he is "victim of the greatest complot ever" as usual.

We're really in a big moment for American politics. I'm more curious about what this might mean for the Republican Party. If Trump gets convicted, it could hurt their image and make winning elections tough. There might even be a rift, with some Republicans backing away from him while others stay loyal.

But even if Trump gets off the hook, there could still be problems for the party. All this attention might not sit well with voters, and it could overshadow other important topics they want to address. It's a real tight spot.

You're right. That's a visible figure that of Trumps finally gets convicted it would negative affect the republicans political structures and even at this moment, the political sector doesn't seem aling with the formations towards taking rulership positions because as it stance now, they're distabilized and most focused on how to deliver Trump's from the forces against him.
Meanwhile if the pressure persists, they would surely be pull back of memebers who has sighted they'd never regain to proclaim the presidential position so they'd earlier on make a pull back so they don't keep flirting around loosing teams.
In politics when things goes weird memebers would always pull back while some stays loyal just says said @sesterceshop

He has been convicted. Where have you been the lasts months?

BTW what is this post? Autotranslate?

[Hispo]

It is funny how people here speak of far-leftist. There is no far-left in the US, even the most-left democrat is a well convinced capitalist by the standards of the rest of the world. Even Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to Europe's left wing parties, not to mention countries with proper communist parties. The Republicans have now thrown the dice, which means they are now going to live with the fact that some states may disqualify Trump from running due to his many trials.

It is something which I have also mentioned when Trump decides to throw some public speech about the radical left and the alledged Marxists, communist and socialist, who (according to him) are trying to destroy the United States from within. In reality, there is no actual communist or socialist in a position of power within the United States of America. The USA has indeed communist and socialist parties (outside of the Democrat party) and neither of them have managed to project themselves into getting some meaningful representation in the US Capitol, in the States as governors, not even in the presidency.

I recall Donald Trump even mentioned he intended to politically check anyone moving into the USA legally, so they could be immediately deported if the immigrant happened to harbor socialist or communist ideas. It seems to me Trump is trying to use some of the tactics remaining from the era of the red scare, in a context where the Soviet Union does not exist anymore.

[BADecker]

It is funny how people here speak of far-leftist. There is no far-left in the US, even the most-left democrat is a well convinced capitalist by the standards of the rest of the world. Even Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to Europe's left wing parties, not to mention countries with proper communist parties. The Republicans have now thrown the dice, which means they are now going to live with the fact that some states may disqualify Trump from running due to his many trials.

It is something which I have also mentioned when Trump decides to throw some public speech about the radical left and the alledged Marxists, communist and socialist, who (according to him) are trying to destroy the United States from within. In reality, there is no actual communist or socialist in a position of power within the United States of America. The USA has indeed communist and socialist parties (outside of the Democrat party) and neither of them have managed to project themselves into getting some meaningful representation in the US Capitol, in the States as governors, not even in the presidency.

I recall Donald Trump even mentioned he intended to politically check anyone moving into the USA legally, so they could be immediately deported if the immigrant happened to harbor socialist or communist ideas. It seems to me Trump is trying to use some of the tactics remaining from the era of the red scare, in a context where the Soviet Union does not exist anymore.

But your view is skewed, not being from an American point of view. Here is how, a couple of examples.

Example 1: Not too many years ago, say three decades, a good house in America cost, say, $100,000. And a similar house in many other countries cost, say, $20,000. Now these houses cost almost the same, and it's a lot higher all around.

Example 2: Years ago Americans made their own products. Money and banking has switched so that Americans can't afford to start many of their own manufacturing plants, to make their own products. Rather, they buy their products from foreign countries, and soon they won't even be able to afford these.

Another example: Back in the early to mid 1970s, you could buy a big motorcycle for, say, $2,000. Then, suddenly - almost like overnight - the price went up to $10,000.

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America. Part of the way he would do it is to import-tax the heck out of foreign imports. The revenue from this taxation - until foreign companies slowed down in their American sales - would increase government funds so that IRS taxes could be reduced. More money remaining with the people would allow them to be able to start business, and the old supply and demand American commerce would get back into swing.

This would not even really hurt other countries. Why not? They have the technology and ability to take care of themselves. They don't need the US or US money. In fact, they would find out that it is cheaper for them to live without the US messing in their economies. This is the big thing that draining the swamp would do.

Just because you can't see the communism and socialism that has encroached on American and world freedom, doesn't mean it isn't there. Open your eyes. You sound more like one of them every day.

[TwitchySeal]

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America.

Biden already brought them back.

[BADecker]

All that Trump would do is bring the jobs back to the people of America.

Biden already brought them back.

Trump brought them back. Notice how they are going down with Biden? That's simply because Trump did such a good job that it took Biden this long to wreck it.

The one Trump slump was seen because of a Trump transition from one sort of business operation to another. If Trump had remained in office, the first year of his second term would have been way higher than Biden's first year, and would still be going up.

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

[TwitchySeal]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.




Summary:

Total job growth for Trumps entire term: -2.9 million
Total job growth under Biden with 6 months left in his first term: +15.1 million.

Trumps actually had the worst job growth of any president in modern history.  SAD!



Ooops i forgot you can't read charts.  My bad.

[paxmao]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


[...]

Good job  There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

[BADecker]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


[...]

Good job  There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

Well, I guess you jokers simply can't figure out the mindset of the majority of the people. The people have good reason for their mindset - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. The polls also show that the more opposition Trump gets, the stronger he gets. So, keep it up, please. Lol.

[TwitchySeal]

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.


[...]

Good job   There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

Well, I guess you jokers simply can't figure out the mindset of the majority of the people. The people have good reason for their mindset - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. The polls also show that the more opposition Trump gets, the stronger he gets. So, keep it up, please. Lol.

Emotions do have a tendency to cloud ones perception of reality.  One thing that Trump is very, very good at is exploiting the emotions of those who are most mentally vulnerable  (under-educated, over-religious, conspiracy theorists, etc.) to being convinced that something which is not true, but that they desire to be true is actually true.

Some more truth for you:


(So far Biden's average is about 4%)

Next we'll take a look at unemployment rates by president, then crime.

[OgNasty]

Emotions do have a tendency to cloud ones perception of reality.  One thing that Trump is very, very good at is exploiting the emotions of those who are most mentally vulnerable  (under-educated, over-religious, conspiracy theorists, etc.) to being convinced that something which is not true, but that they desire to be true is actually true.

Some more truth for you:

(So far Biden's average is about 4%)

Next we'll take a look at unemployment rates by president, then crime.

You talk about emotions and mentally vulnerable, then you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Almost all of Biden's job growth is part time jobs for illegals and those who have to take a second job to make ends meet in this shitty economy.  It is not a good thing.  Meanwhile the labor participation rate for men of working age is the lowest of all time.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

[TwitchySeal]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make. 

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

[paxmao]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make.  

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

The MAGAs just do not care about anything you can say about Trump. Particularly anything that is data or logic - it is absolutely useless to present them with any proper information as they will always claim manipulation or bias or that it is an attack or whatever.

On the growth, here OgNasty just throws something as ridiculous as the "illegals" as the factor for growth. Nothing needs proof, anything is equally valid, the understanding of the economy of the US matters not.

 This is Trumps major achievement: divide the US. There is no single president that has been so divisive and this is no longer about discerning truth or providing arguments but either you are with him or against, period. I wonder how does that make "America Great" if you alienate more than half of the population.

But fortunately this thread is about the trials and the results, so there is no point in denying he has been found guilty of rape and fraud and that he had to request relief from a relatively modest fine. At most, they can use the usual argument that everything that is not to Trumps will is a conspiration.

[BADecker]

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make.  

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

The MAGAs just do not care about anything you can say about Trump. Particularly anything that is data or logic - it is absolutely useless to present them with any proper information as they will always claim manipulation or bias or that it is an attack or whatever.

On the growth, here OgNasty just throws something as ridiculous as the "illegals" as the factor for growth. Nothing needs proof, anything is equally valid, the understanding of the economy of the US matters not.

 This is Trumps major achievement: divide the US. There is no single president that has been so divisive and this is no longer about discerning truth or providing arguments but either you are with him or against, period. I wonder how does that make "America Great" if you alienate more than half of the population.

But fortunately this thread is about the trials and the results, so there is no point in denying he has been found guilty of rape and fraud and that he had to request relief from a relatively modest fine. At most, they can use the usual argument that everything that is not to Trumps will is a conspiration.

A honest person who is not a warmonger, or who is not making a bunch of money off some war, or the manufacturing of war machines, thinks like this:
- No matter who becomes President, there will always be some trouble; nothing will ever be perfect;
- So, let's chose somebody who is going to help us, our economy, and the world more than somebody who is going to destroy life and the world;
- So far Trump has been way better than Biden for doing good for the world and for America; Trump's team has been way better than Biden's team and the people behind Biden's team in these ways;
- The evidence for the above is in what history shows us.

Trump is way better than anybody else for doing good and benefiting the world and America. Is he perfect? No! But he is way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, better.

[o48o]

-cut-
- So far Trump has been way better
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for America; Trump's team has been way better
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That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?



Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

[BADecker]

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- So far Trump has been way better
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for America; Trump's team has been way better
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That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/03/VyLW3.jpeg

Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.

[paxmao]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/georgia-judge-rejects-trump-bid-dismiss-election-interference-charges-rcna146431

It seems that another judicial decision is confronting Trump with real life facts. This is what happens when you cannot solve the "problem" just by tweeting something stupid with no proof or evidence whatsoever.

McAfee, however, found "the Defendants’ expressions and speech are alleged to have been made in furtherance of criminal activity and constitute false statements knowingly and willfully made in matters within a government agency’s jurisdiction which threaten to deceive and harm the government."

It was quite stupid in the first place to even try to allege that freedom of speech covers lying to protect yourself from the action of justice when all the facts are there for everyone to see.

And this is the best the Republican Party can offer to the US as of today. Sad.

Even Trumps lawyers admit he was blatantly and knowingly lying!

McAfee noted in his ruling that during oral argument, "the Defendants posited that the speech at issue, even if false, was political and that one cannot be prosecuted for falsity alone."

[BADecker]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/georgia-judge-rejects-trump-bid-dismiss-election-interference-charges-rcna146431

It seems that another judicial decision is confronting Trump with real life facts. This is what happens when you cannot solve the "problem" just by tweeting something stupid with no proof or evidence whatsoever.

McAfee, however, found "the Defendants’ expressions and speech are alleged to have been made in furtherance of criminal activity and constitute false statements knowingly and willfully made in matters within a government agency’s jurisdiction which threaten to deceive and harm the government."

It was quite stupid in the first place to even try to allege that freedom of speech covers lying to protect yourself from the action of justice when all the facts are there for everyone to see.

And this is the best the Republican Party can offer to the US as of today. Sad.

Even Trumps lawyers admit he was blatantly and knowingly lying!

McAfee noted in his ruling that during oral argument, "the Defendants posited that the speech at issue, even if false, was political and that one cannot be prosecuted for falsity alone."

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now. Not as much money in it that way. And certainly not as much if they are being paid off under the table by the Swamp. However, if Trump picked them, 'tis true that he isn't as smart as he should be.

[TwitchySeal]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

[BADecker]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

[paxmao]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

Just repeating the same stupidity over and over. Anyone in a court has to serve the truth - in theory - but lawyers simply tend to point out the "truth" that benefits their clients. Trump is obviously delaying in the hope of getting elected and then using all the machinery of the state to stop the course of justice. It does not get any clearer.

What I am waiting for and not getting is the answer that we need to close the stupid argument on immunity, but it will come.

[o48o]

That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?

Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.
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Making shit up and demanding others to prove it isn't how real world works. If logic isn't your field, why you try to use that in an argument?

Countries are helping Ukraine because, not helping them will lead to chaos in EU. And stability of EU benefits everyone, except countries who benefit from the disorder in EU and their trade allies like USA.

But i was talking about Biden's and Trump's teams as you praised Trump's team, and somehow best thing you got from it that Trump is clearing the swamp?

You left out that he literally made that swamp by his own hands and keeps on making more of it. So saying no one is perfect is just beyond hilarious at this point.
And again, let's hear what his best people are talking, because while Trump might be better than Jesus to you, people close to him doesn't seem to think so.

[BADecker]

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

Just repeating the same stupidity over and over. Anyone in a court has to serve the truth - in theory - but lawyers simply tend to point out the "truth" that benefits their clients. Trump is obviously delaying in the hope of getting elected and then using all the machinery of the state to stop the course of justice. It does not get any clearer.

What I am waiting for and not getting is the answer that we need to close the stupid argument on immunity, but it will come.

So, you don't know how law works in the US. Anyone in court does what he wants. It's the results of what he does that are important.

By becoming the client of an attorney, a man lowers himself to 'person' status, and turns his fate over to the injustice system. How do we know that the justice system is not just? Because the attorneys are ruled by the judge. And since the talk of the client doesn't mean anything unless the judge wants it to, it's a big conflict of interest in the whole justice system - totally illegal by American law.

Any time that Trump figures this out, he has the right - and the duty because of his position as President - to sue the people (not persons) of the justice system, man to man/woman, and not sue their 'persons'.

Learn American law. And learn it like Trump doesn't know it, although he might figure it out in the near future, and take the justice system down with the rest of the Swamp.

That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?

Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.
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Making shit up and demanding others to prove it isn't how real world works. If logic isn't your field, why you try to use that in an argument?

Countries are helping Ukraine because, not helping them will lead to chaos in EU. And stability of EU benefits everyone, except countries who benefit from the disorder in EU and their trade allies like USA.

But i was talking about Biden's and Trump's teams as you praised Trump's team, and somehow best thing you got from it that Trump is clearing the swamp?

You left out that he literally made that swamp by his own hands and keeps on making more of it. So saying no one is perfect is just beyond hilarious at this point.
And again, let's hear what his best people are talking, because while Trump might be better than Jesus to you, people close to him doesn't seem to think so.

You are getting almost as funny as TS. Trump didn't fund the killing of some 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME by sending money over there. He isn't the one who destroyed the whole land of Ukraine through that funding of the war. He didn't weaken the whole US economy through that funding. The Swamp did all that stuff, and a whole lot more.

So, if you think that Trump made the Swamp, which Swamp you seem to enjoy - because you don't focus on getting rid of it - you should be supporting him... if you really think that he made the Swamp.

[TwitchySeal]

Learn American law.

And where should one go to learn this American law you speak of that contradicts the consensus among the most respected lawyers, judges and law professors?

Where did you obtain this knowledge that so many people do not have?

[paxmao]

Learn American law.

And where should one go to learn this American law you speak of that contradicts the consensus among the most respected lawyers, judges and law professors?

Where did you obtain this knowledge that so many people do not have?

In the local MAGA shithole / Proud Boys watering hole, where they are ok with dictating women what they can and cannot do with their body, to commit rape, fraud and ignore the will of the majority of the US citizens in favour of their agenda and in the name of their imaginary friend, a "God" they claim to know better than others.

Trump last hope is to get elected and then try to exert all the pressure possible to the judiciary to avoid justice. But the polls are showing that it may simply not happen.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump last hope is to get elected and then try to exert all the pressure possible to the judiciary to avoid justice.

Unfortunately, if he loses the election, he will be more desperate than ever.  I expect the period between the election and the beginning of Bidens second term will be a very dark period for the country with violence fueled by Trumps lies.  Hopefully the movement dies then like Qanon did after Biden wasn't arrested on inauguration day (lol)...but it might not.  Think about the difference between the rest of Trumps life if he's able to get back into the White House compared to if he isn't.  

[BADecker]

Trump is making progress all the time.

Just noticed this article.


Trump wins again on the law, this time involving activist judge in sham “hush money” case…


https://revolver.news/2024/04/trump-wins-again-on-the-law-this-time-involving-activist-judge-in-sham-hush-money-case/
The left must be scrambling, trying to crack the code on how to finally shake off MAGA. But here we are, with them rolling out one baseless case after another, while Trump counters using the actual law and justice system, and guess what? He's making significant progress. A huge shoutout to Laura Loomer for kicking things off with this latest effort to bring "justice" back into our disgraced system. Her deep dive into Judge Merchan's family connections laid bare a network of partisan ties, giving Trump the ammo he needed to push for a recusal.

Loomered:

President Trump and his lawyers filed a motion Friday demanding that Judge Merchan recuse himself from presiding over Trump's upcoming trial on charges brought by Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg. Trump's recusal motion cited Judge Merchan's daughter's work for Authentic Campaigns and her X account as the primary reasons for Merchan's recusal. Loomer exclusively reported that Loren Merchan is the partner and part-owner of Authentic Campaigns, a firm whose "featured client" is the Biden-Harris Campaign. Loren Merchan's X account, known as @LorenM426, featured a profile picture of President Trump behind bars in a jail cell. The facts make it clear that Judge Merchan must recuse himself for President Trump to receive a fair trial.

President Trump's recusal motion mentions Loren Merchan's work with Authentic Campaigns, "Your Honor's daughter, Loren Merchan, has a direct financial interest in these proceedings by virtue of her ownership stake and leadership role at Authentic Campaigns, Inc. Based on public disbursements data, Authentic, which services exclusively Democrat clients, is the #21 ranked vendor in the country in connection with the 2024 election."

The recusal motion also mentions Loren Merchan's X account, "Ms. Merchan apparently "deleted" an X account that contained posts reflecting hostility toward President Trump "last April," the same month that Your Honor solicited an ethics opinion regarding recusal in a letter containing information that the Court declined to disclose to the defense or the public. The suspicious timing of the alleged decision by Ms. Merchan to "delete" the X account, as well as more recent developments relating to the account, further support this motion."

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[TwitchySeal]

Trump is making progress all the time.

Just noticed this article.


Trump wins again on the law, this time involving activist judge in sham “hush money” case…


https://revolver.news/2024/04/trump-wins-again-on-the-law-this-time-involving-activist-judge-in-sham-hush-money-case/
The left must be scrambling, trying to crack the code on how to finally shake off MAGA. But here we are, with them rolling out one baseless case after another, while Trump counters using the actual law and justice system, and guess what? He's making significant progress. A huge shoutout to Laura Loomer for kicking things off with this latest effort to bring "justice" back into our disgraced system. Her deep dive into Judge Merchan's family connections laid bare a network of partisan ties, giving Trump the ammo he needed to push for a recusal.

Loomered:

President Trump and his lawyers filed a motion Friday demanding that Judge Merchan recuse himself from presiding over Trump's upcoming trial on charges brought by Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg. Trump's recusal motion cited Judge Merchan's daughter's work for Authentic Campaigns and her X account as the primary reasons for Merchan's recusal. Loomer exclusively reported that Loren Merchan is the partner and part-owner of Authentic Campaigns, a firm whose "featured client" is the Biden-Harris Campaign. Loren Merchan's X account, known as @LorenM426, featured a profile picture of President Trump behind bars in a jail cell. The facts make it clear that Judge Merchan must recuse himself for President Trump to receive a fair trial.

President Trump's recusal motion mentions Loren Merchan's work with Authentic Campaigns, "Your Honor's daughter, Loren Merchan, has a direct financial interest in these proceedings by virtue of her ownership stake and leadership role at Authentic Campaigns, Inc. Based on public disbursements data, Authentic, which services exclusively Democrat clients, is the #21 ranked vendor in the country in connection with the 2024 election."

The recusal motion also mentions Loren Merchan's X account, "Ms. Merchan apparently "deleted" an X account that contained posts reflecting hostility toward President Trump "last April," the same month that Your Honor solicited an ethics opinion regarding recusal in a letter containing information that the Court declined to disclose to the defense or the public. The suspicious timing of the alleged decision by Ms. Merchan to "delete" the X account, as well as more recent developments relating to the account, further support this motion."

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Yeah this was denied already.  In fact, this motion is basically the same as the one they filed last summer - when the judge had the state court ethics council determine there was no conflict of interest.

A judge’s impartiality cannot reasonably be questioned based on (a) de minimis political contributions made more than two years ago or (b) the business and/or political activities of the judge’s first-degree relative, where the relative has no direct or indirect involvement in the proceeding and no interests that could be substantially affected by the proceeding.
(2) As a result, the judge is not ethically required to disclose such facts or circumstances sua sponte in the proceeding, regardless of any surrounding publicity or lack thereof.  The judge may continue to preside in the matter provided the judge believes he/she can be fair and impartial.

source

He's literally just trying to not have to face a jury.  Even if he had a legitimate argument that hadn't already been ruled on regarding the judges recusal, that ship has sailed - his opportunity to make those arguments has passed - so he would need to prove that something changed or significant new information was revealed that he couldn't have known when it was the appropriate time to file these motions.

Trial is set to start next week.  Decent chance he fires all his lawyers by then, I think that would probably force a delay of a couple weeks, of course then he wouldn't have any of his lawyers anymore - but we'll see.  The wheels of justice turn slowly...

[paxmao]

Look! I am worried because this time I agree with dumBAss - well just on the fact that this is moving forward:

Judge denies Trump’s third attempt this week to delay hush-money trial

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/10/trump-hush-money-trial-delay-denied-again

Just to have a framework of what they guy is accused of: Trump goes whoring with a plastic-titted, Playboy-centerfold, tall and sexy blondy with a worrying resemblance to young Melania Trump, but is not Melania Trump. Then he pays money to this sex professional not to divulge the fact that he is an adulterer and a sexual services fanboy.

(What does the Bible say about whoring dumBAss?)

To that point, it seems is not even illegal in some states. However, Trump uses campaign funds for the payment and then has to falsify the accounting records to cover-up. And that is where it becomes veeery illegal.

The latest argument of the lawyers to try to postpone the trial is something like this:

"Hey you little Judge, Mr Trump is too busy running for the Oval to have time to face justice. You are no-one to disrupt Mr Trump's agenda which is far more important than getting judged"

It seems it did not fly - I wonder why  . There will be a trial this month.

Seriously, this is an incredible request and an incredible narrative that would not even be considered for anyone else. Trump as of today is just a private citizen and he wants to be exempt from nearly every law just because it is him. This is what happens when a text-book narcissist takes over nearly half of a country.

As it is the claim that the political tendencies of the Judge's wife could be an issue. That argument means that only a judge that has a full pro-Trump family would be acceptable to judge Trump. It is hilarious how far they need to go to avoid facing the basic facts of the case.

[TwitchySeal]

Guys it seems like it might really be happening. 

Trumps 2016 election interference criminal trial, where he is facing 34 felony counts of falsifying business records (to cover up his affair with a pornstar right before the 2016 election), is set to start in 3 days.

Looking forward to when Stormy takes the stand.  She knows how pwn the cult.

“I lay there, annoyed that I was getting fucked by a guy with Yeti [pubic hair] and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart [the Nintendo video game],”

[Hispo]

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Honestly, it is kind of a stupid situation a person like Trump is supposed to be trapped in. Right, he was supposed to represent a conservative party, full of people who would have frown upon the fact he cheated on his wife and whatever, but the fact the tactics he used to try to silence her have come back to haunt him in such a way is ridiculous.
He could have just allowed her to talk or do whatever interview for magazines or whateve. I doubt it would have been relevant enough for him to lose the presidential race back in 2016 (Hillary Clinton was not popular in the democrat circles anyways, she was just seen a lesser evil).
Had he not used illegal tactics to try to kill the story, those "rumors" would have been dead by now and he would not be making history by becoming the first ex-president facing criminal charges in front a fish if his peers.

With Donald Trump in Politics we can only expect to see broken precedent after broken precedent, and not in the positive way.
I may try to take a rest off my routine and get out my way to see this thing being televised (assuming it will be).

[BADecker]

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Honestly, it is kind of a stupid situation a person like Trump is supposed to be trapped in. Right, he was supposed to represent a conservative party, full of people who would have frown upon the fact he cheated on his wife and whatever, but the fact the tactics he used to try to silence her have come back to haunt him in such a way is ridiculous.
He could have just allowed her to talk or do whatever interview for magazines or whateve. I doubt it would have been relevant enough for him to lose the presidential race back in 2016 (Hillary Clinton was not popular in the democrat circles anyways, she was just seen a lesser evil).
Had he not used illegal tactics to try to kill the story, those "rumors" would have been dead by now and he would not be making history by becoming the first ex-president facing criminal charges in front a fish if his peers.

With Donald Trump in Politics we can only expect to see broken precedent after broken precedent, and not in the positive way.
I may try to take a rest off my routine and get out my way to see this thing being televised (assuming it will be).

Yet, the evidence shown in Trump's first term is that good and right precedents were upheld. We aren't really talking about a guy's personal life. We are talking about what he did with the Presidency.

Regarding if Trump had any affairs or not...
Look at the Muslim population. Islam formally allows a man 4 wives and a concubine. And in Judaism - Christianity in agreement - Solomon, possibly the richest man ever, had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The only reason why it might be wrong to have more than one wife in the US is that it is common law in most of America to have only one wife. But the Mormons have a different common law in many places = more than one wife if you can support them.

The point about affairs? The whole US is full of people who have affairs one way or another. And many big government officials are the 'worst'. So, even if one picks on Trump in his personal life, in his Presidency he didn't have affairs with other countries like the Dems and Biden are doing right now... causing deaths of hundreds of thousands, or maybe millions around the world. And maybe Trump didn't have any personal affairs.

Regarding the presidency, I wish you jokers who are against Trump would come out and show us why. And also show why you are in favor of those who Trump would replace... those in office who are going against the law and killing many around the world at the same time.

Any little bad thing that Trump might do in office would be like NOTHING when compared with the bad things that the opposition are doing right now.

[TwitchySeal]

Yet, the evidence shown in Trump's first term is that good and right precedents were upheld.

Like when the evidence came out that he committed fraud to influence the election he had just won to cover up his affair with a porn star.

Or when the evidence came out that during the campaign he had signed a letter of intent to build a Trump Tower in Moscow while telling the media he had no business in Russia.

Or when he orchestrated an attempt to overturn the election he had lost that culminated in an attack on the capital.

Or when when evidence came out that the White House Doctor, known as "The Candy Man" was passing out narcotics like candy.

Or when he started calling media outlets critical of him "Enemy of the People" and they started getting pipe bombs in the mail.

Or when his personal lawyer, Secretary of Defense, Campaign Chair, and multiple advisors where convicted of felonies.  

Or when he called covid-19 a hoax and then 2 months later shut down the entire economy because of it causing the Trump recession that came with the worst day for the stock market, soaring unemployment, and the biggest increase in the National Deficit since the great depression for any presidential term.  

Or when over 1 million Americans died from the virus that had called a hoax.

Or when he was impeached.  Twice.

Lots of great precedents that great president set. lol.

[Hispo]

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As far as I know, the fact Trump had an affair with a professional porn star is not the problem at all. The problem comes with the tactics he used to try to pay for her silence, since he thought such story appearing in the news could hurt his chances to win against Hillary. If Trump had one thousand affairs and all his women decided to keep silence during is campaign the nothing illegal would have happened, having affairs or cheating on ones woman is not illegal under the laws of the United States.
It is kind of strange to see you here making a case to justify literal adultery, keeping in mind you are probably the most religious person I have come across during my stay here in Bitcointalk, someone as religious as you would dump Trump in the case those adultery allegations were proven to be true, only in the religious basis, not the legal one.

Also, I don't explicitly support neither candidate for the presidency of the United States. I just do some commentary on the things I read. I consider myself to be a centrist, so I do not feel appealed neither by the far right politicians nor the radial left wing who vote for the Democrat party (even though the democrat party is very far from being radical or even getting close to Marxism).

[BADecker]

Yet, the evidence shown in Trump's first term is that good and right precedents were upheld.

Like when the evidence came out that he committed fraud to influence the election he had just won to cover up his affair with a porn star.

~ etcetera

Talk isn't evidence.

How many people are there in government? Does Biden, for example, control any of them? Or do they control him?

No President can control or know everything, factually. Not even Trump. When a President is screwed by a bunch of other government officials who are making big bucks off their illicit operations, and when they decide to blame Trump, we get what we are seeing now.

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As far as I know, the fact Trump had an affair with a professional porn star is not the problem at all. The problem comes with the tactics he used to try to pay for her silence, since he thought such story appearing in the news could hurt his chances to win against Hillary. If Trump had one thousand affairs and all his women decided to keep silence during is campaign the nothing illegal would have happened, having affairs or cheating on ones woman is not illegal under the laws of the United States.
It is kind of strange to see you here making a case to justify literal adultery, keeping in mind you are probably the most religious person I have come across during my stay here in Bitcointalk, someone as religious as you would dump Trump in the case those adultery allegations were proven to be true, only in the religious basis, not the legal one.

Also, I don't explicitly support neither candidate for the presidency of the United States. I just do some commentary on the things I read. I consider myself to be a centrist, so I do not feel appealed neither by the far right politicians nor the radial left wing who vote for the Democrat party (even though the democrat party is very far from being radical or even getting close to Marxism).

As far as we know, the porn star is simply taking advantage of Trump's position with the hopes of making money off him. She is probably being paid under the table by Soros or Dems who are making money off illicit and illegal operations that Trump will stop when he becomes President again. If you look at American law, the courts make mistakes all the time. Some are corrected; some aren't.

The case isn't adultery justification. The case is about the lies that a bunch of Dem-backed operators are trying to place on Trump, because he will destroy their BIG 'adultery' against the whole USA when he becomes President again.

Since you are simply reporting the news, why is it that you ignore the big bad stuff, and pick on somebody who would get rid of the bad if he were in office... like he started to when he was in office the first time?

[paxmao]

Yet, the evidence shown in Trump's first term is that good and right precedents were upheld.

Like when the evidence came out that he committed fraud to influence the election he had just won to cover up his affair with a porn star.

~ etcetera

Talk isn't evidence.

How many people are there in government? Does Biden, for example, control any of them? Or do they control him?

No President can control or know everything, factually. Not even Trump. When a President is screwed by a bunch of other government officials who are making big bucks off their illicit operations, and when they decide to blame Trump, we get what we are seeing now.

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As far as I know, the fact Trump had an affair with a professional porn star is not the problem at all. The problem comes with the tactics he used to try to pay for her silence, since he thought such story appearing in the news could hurt his chances to win against Hillary. If Trump had one thousand affairs and all his women decided to keep silence during is campaign the nothing illegal would have happened, having affairs or cheating on ones woman is not illegal under the laws of the United States.
It is kind of strange to see you here making a case to justify literal adultery, keeping in mind you are probably the most religious person I have come across during my stay here in Bitcointalk, someone as religious as you would dump Trump in the case those adultery allegations were proven to be true, only in the religious basis, not the legal one.

Also, I don't explicitly support neither candidate for the presidency of the United States. I just do some commentary on the things I read. I consider myself to be a centrist, so I do not feel appealed neither by the far right politicians nor the radial left wing who vote for the Democrat party (even though the democrat party is very far from being radical or even getting close to Marxism).

As far as we know, the porn star is simply taking advantage of Trump's position with the hopes of making money off him. She is probably being paid under the table by Soros or Dems who are making money off illicit and illegal operations that Trump will stop when he becomes President again. If you look at American law, the courts make mistakes all the time. Some are corrected; some aren't.

The case isn't adultery justification. The case is about the lies that a bunch of Dem-backed operators are trying to place on Trump, because he will destroy their BIG 'adultery' against the whole USA when he becomes President again.

Since you are simply reporting the news, why is it that you ignore the big bad stuff, and pick on somebody who would get rid of the bad if he were in office... like he started to when he was in office the first time?

As far as we know, there are well established facts that point that Trump had a relation with her (in the sense of the relation you can have with these professionals), that he effectively paid money and that he used campaign funds for it. The rest of what you are saying is just conspiratard mumble that does not deserve an answer to be honest.

Wake up dumBAss, you messiah is a prostitutes fanboy. Not judging, just saying.

[Hispo]

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Since you are simply reporting the news, why is it that you ignore the big bad stuff, and pick on somebody who would get rid of the bad if he were in office... like he started to when he was in office the first time?

To me, it seems you are comparing Trump as if he was some messianic figure who will get rid of many of the problems which are goin on in the United States and internationally. He as president would not be able to make the USA terrenal paradise. He is just a man who can barely change the very embedded system which runs in the United States since decades ago. Even if he had got the best intentions for the people of his country, he would only have another four years to try to achieve whatever messianic achievements you think he may be planning to get to... Unless you are among the people in the country who unironically believe Donald Trump is supposed to govern the country way beyond his second term of four years. I would not be surprised, I have already seen some people on the internet arguing about getting rid of the amendment which forbids presidents to have more than two terms.

Messianism and repetitive unlimited terms are not good for democracy, one does not need to be a genius to know that. 

[BADecker]

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Since you are simply reporting the news, why is it that you ignore the big bad stuff, and pick on somebody who would get rid of the bad if he were in office... like he started to when h0

To me, it seems you are comparing Trump as if he was some messianic figure who will get rid of many of the problems which are goin on in the United States and internationally. He as president would not be able to make the USA terrenal paradise. He is just a man who can barely change the very embedded system which runs in the United States since decades ago. Even if he had got the best intentions for the people of his country, he would only have another four years to try to achieve whatever messianic achievements you think he may be planning to get to... Unless you are among the people in the country who unironically believe Donald Trump is supposed to govern the country way beyond his second term of four years. I would not be surprised, I have already seen some people on the internet arguing about getting rid of the amendment which forbids presidents to have more than two terms.

Messianism and repetitive unlimited terms are not good for democracy, one does not need to be a genius to know that. 

Well, well, well. Finally you are starting to think about Trump regarding the presidency. Now, let's take it the rest of the way.

Trump's good things that he did while in office - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. Trump was able to accomplish these in the face of all kinds of Dem opposition. And if you listen to Trump's speeches to the UN - they're up on Youtube - you will see that he made peace around the world.

The current regime:
1. Wrecked the US economy;
2. Saw to it that wars in Ukraine and the ME killed off 600,000 or more;
3. Broke the US agreement with Russia to not expand Nato;
4. Strengthened China by allowing Chinese (and other countries) terrorists into America;
5. Really, a whole lot more.

Some kind of a Messiah? You are so silly. Just the only person right now who has any chance of straightening out a world on the edge of destruction. Why? Because he has been an experienced businessman for a long time. And now he is an experienced politician.

Got anybody else? Certainly not Hillary. Obama's wife? Or maybe it is simply that you like the idea of destruction, right?

[TwitchySeal]

Talk isn't evidence.

In the real world it is.

The current regime:
1. Wrecked the US economy;

The economy got wrecked while Trump was in office.  It got better after Biden took office.

Remember what you thought about Trumps economy:

It looks like the next Great Depression is just about here. My fear is a sudden collapse of the banking system. Most of us aren't used to barter, and if the banking system goes down, the electrical and Internet grids might go down at the same time. Bitcoin would be worth very little after that.

[TwitchySeal]

Trumps 2016 Election Interference Trial has Started
They haven't even brought in any of the jury pool yet, and jury selection will probably take a couple weeks or longer if Trump has any luck, but this trial is moving forward.

Hopefully history will view this case  as the prologue of a much larger story about Trumps disregard for laws to help himself become president in 2016 (successfully) , to try and stay president in 2020 (unsuccessfully) and then as a civilian so he could pretend that he was still president and impress his friends with all those government secrets he had stashed away in bathrooms and basements at his beach club.

Right now, Steinglass, the prosecutor, is doing a lengthy recounting of Trump's comments on the infamous Access Hollywood tape. There is no new information there, but Trump is listening as his own words about grabbing women’s genitals are recounted.

[BADecker]

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^^^ Oh, dear. Did anyone ever notice where these graphs and charts came from? From Biden's government, right? The same government that issued a bunch of Executive Orders that reversed what Trump was doing, right in the first week that Biden took office, right?

The point? Those charts and graphs don't mean anything. All they are is a game of interpreting 'stuff' the way that the Biden Regime wants people to believe. And TS got sucked in... or is he really a Biden Regime perpetrator against peace?

The REAL Trump trials are what the people are finding out about the Deep State. The public is showing their faith in Trump, and more and more turning against the wicked, evil Biden Regime.


The World Needs Peacemaker Trump Again


https://thelibertydaily.com/world-needs-peacemaker-trump-again/
These "undocumented migrants" include terrorists, drug dealers, and intelligence agents of countries such as our enemy, China. It should alarm every American that 22,233 Chinese nationals have illegally entered the United States since the beginning of the fiscal year in October. If this rate continues, this year's total will easily top the 24,125 Chinese nationals who illegally entered the country last year.

There has been an astounding 6,300% increase in the number of Chinese nationals illegally entering the country in the last few years. Since China is a communist nation, these individuals are not freely traveling to the United States for a "better life." U.S. Senator Roger Marshall (R-KS) believes the influx is due to "the direction of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party)" and it involves "espionage" as well as "stealing military and economic secrets."

Last year, China sent a spy balloon over our country, and it was not shot down until it completed its trek across many states. In addition, Chinese investors are buying American farmland for nefarious reasons, and it was confirmed that China operated "police stations" in the United States to monitor their citizens in our country.

China is constantly threatening Taiwan and its other neighbors while building up its military forces. Their proxy state, North Korea, has started regularly testing long-range ballistic missiles that concern their neighboring countries.
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[TwitchySeal]

The point? Those charts and graphs don't mean anything. All they are is a game of interpreting 'stuff' the way that the Biden Regime wants people to believe. And TS got sucked in... or is he really a Biden Regime perpetrator against peace?

Oh sorry I forgot graphs make you irrational and cause memory loss. Remember how you were feeling right before the Trump recession, right in the middle of Trumps term?  

It looks like the next Great Depression is just about here. My fear is a sudden collapse of the banking system. Most of us aren't used to barter, and if the banking system goes down, the electrical and Internet grids might go down at the same time. Bitcoin would be worth very little after that.

Luckily, the people chose a new leader for the country and he was able to turn things around and avoid another recession, against all odds seemingly.

I'll explain sans graph again:

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office, there were 142.7 million US jobs.

142.7 is 2.9 less than 145.6

That means that while Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.


When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.




Summary:

Total job growth for Trumps entire term: -2.9 million
Total job growth under Biden with 6 months left in his first term: +15.1 million.

Trumps actually had the worst job growth of any president in modern history.  SAD!




Getting back on topic:

[BADecker]

The point? Those charts and graphs don't mean anything. All they are is a game of interpreting 'stuff' the way that the Biden Regime wants people to believe. And TS got sucked in... or is he really a Biden Regime perpetrator against peace?

Oh sorry I forgot graphs make you irrational and cause memory loss. Remember how you were feeling right before the Trump recession, right in the middle of Trumps term?  

It looks like the next Great Depression is just about here. My fear is a sudden collapse of the banking system. Most of us aren't used to barter, and if the banking system goes down, the electrical and Internet grids might go down at the same time. Bitcoin would be worth very little after that.

Luckily, the people chose a new leader for the country and he was able to turn things around and avoid another recession, against all odds seemingly.

I'll explain sans graph again:

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office, there were 142.7 million US jobs.

142.7 is 2.9 less than 145.6

That means that while Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.


When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.




Summary:

Total job growth for Trumps entire term: -2.9 million
Total job growth under Biden with 6 months left in his first term: +15.1 million.

Trumps actually had the worst job growth of any president in modern history.  SAD!

The thing you neglect is the stuff concerning WHY things happened the way they did. So, I'll explain it with brevity.

The Deep State suddenly realized that Trump was serious about getting down to the business destroying evil in government. So, they started to oppose him as much as they could.

This means that all the charts and graph are meaningless. They are simply interpretations of somebody who has an agenda.

The important thing is that the people are seeing through the Deep State scam, and recognize that Trump is right.

[TwitchySeal]

Just look at yourself.

Facts are facts, even the ones you don't like.

You could just discuss the facts and the nuances that come with how one should look at them.  But not in maga world.  In maga world it either makes Trump look good or it's rigged by the deep state liberal baby eaters.

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

[BADecker]

https://i.gyazo.com/e06da52219871751fa18e65fbdde528e.jpg

Just look at yourself.

Facts are facts, even the ones you don't like.

You could just discuss the facts and the nuances that come with how one should look at them.  But not in maga world.  In maga world it either makes Trump look good or it's rigged by the deep state liberal baby eaters.

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Just look at yourself.

Fake news is fake news, even the ones you like. Lol.

Continue: Blah, blah, blah, etc.


Johnson, Trump Announce Election Integrity Bill To Require Proof Of Citizenship To Vote


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnson-trump-announce-election-integrity-bill-require-proof-citizenship-vote
At a Friday, April 12, press conference at the former president's Mar-a-Lago residence, the Republican leaders announced the bill as part of larger efforts to bolster election integrity.

"What we're going to do is introduce legislation to require that every single person who registers to vote in a federal election must prove that they are an American citizen first," Mr. Johnson said.

Though some jurisdictions allow noncitizens to participate in local elections, it is illegal for them to vote in all state and federal elections. However, the United States' federal voter registration form does not require documentary proof of citizenship, and states' efforts to impose such a requirement have been challenged by the Biden administration.

The new legislation, the speaker said, would establish new safeguards to ensure only citizens can vote. The provisions would require states to remove noncitizens from their voter rolls and would provide them with access to Department of Homeland Security and Social Security Administration databases to help them do so.

"Congress has this responsibility. We cannot wait for widespread fraud to occur … especially when the threat of fraud is growing with every single illegal immigrant that crosses that border," the speaker said.

He added that he expected the bill to receive widespread Republican support while also forcing Democrats to go on record with where they stand.

'The Tip of the Iceberg'

The push to secure elections from illegal votes comes amid the flood of illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border.

Illegal immigration, though a persistent problem for decades, has exploded to unprecedented levels under the Biden administration. The deluge has included individuals on the United States' terror watch list and others with prior convictions for violent crimes.
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[TwitchySeal]

https://i.gyazo.com/e06da52219871751fa18e65fbdde528e.jpg

Just look at yourself.

Facts are facts, even the ones you don't like.

You could just discuss the facts and the nuances that come with how one should look at them.  But not in maga world.  In maga world it either makes Trump look good or it's rigged by the deep state liberal baby eaters.

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Just look at yourself.

Fake news is fake news, even the ones you like. Lol.

Continue: Blah, blah, blah, etc.


Johnson, Trump Announce Election Integrity Bill To Require Proof Of Citizenship To Vote


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnson-trump-announce-election-integrity-bill-require-proof-citizenship-vote
At a Friday, April 12, press conference at the former president's Mar-a-Lago residence, the Republican leaders announced the bill as part of larger efforts to bolster election integrity.

"What we're going to do is introduce legislation to require that every single person who registers to vote in a federal election must prove that they are an American citizen first," Mr. Johnson said.

Though some jurisdictions allow noncitizens to participate in local elections, it is illegal for them to vote in all state and federal elections. However, the United States' federal voter registration form does not require documentary proof of citizenship, and states' efforts to impose such a requirement have been challenged by the Biden administration.

The new legislation, the speaker said, would establish new safeguards to ensure only citizens can vote. The provisions would require states to remove noncitizens from their voter rolls and would provide them with access to Department of Homeland Security and Social Security Administration databases to help them do so.

"Congress has this responsibility. We cannot wait for widespread fraud to occur … especially when the threat of fraud is growing with every single illegal immigrant that crosses that border," the speaker said.

He added that he expected the bill to receive widespread Republican support while also forcing Democrats to go on record with where they stand.

'The Tip of the Iceberg'

The push to secure elections from illegal votes comes amid the flood of illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border.

Illegal immigration, though a persistent problem for decades, has exploded to unprecedented levels under the Biden administration. The deluge has included individuals on the United States' terror watch list and others with prior convictions for violent crimes.
...

Remember when Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016 and he said he actually got more legal votes because there were 3 million non US citizens that illegally voted and he would prove it.

So he put together the "Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity", which ended up finding basically nothing.

And when they tried to spin things to make it look like they had found "thousands" of cases of fraud (which is nowhere close to 3 million), and then it came out they actually found like 950 cases since 2000. 

Trump did make one smart move in this thing though.  When the commission started getting subpoenaed for internal records of their investigation, Trump pulled the plug and disbanned the whole thing.  Don't think he ever spoke of it again.

He's doing the same thing now, except now he's not the president and he has to explain receiving 7 million votes fewer than his opponent instead of just 3.  But all the same people are falling for it again. Well most, maybe not all.

There's a reason one of the easiest ways to figure out if an American male is a Trump voter is by looking at how educated they are....

[BADecker]

https://i.gyazo.com/e06da52219871751fa18e65fbdde528e.jpg

Just look at yourself.

Facts are facts, even the ones you don't like.

You could just discuss the facts and the nuances that come with how one should look at them.  But not in maga world.  In maga world it either makes Trump look good or it's rigged by the deep state liberal baby eaters.

you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Just look at yourself.

Fake news is fake news, even the ones you like. Lol.

Continue: Blah, blah, blah, etc.


Johnson, Trump Announce Election Integrity Bill To Require Proof Of Citizenship To Vote


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnson-trump-announce-election-integrity-bill-require-proof-citizenship-vote
At a Friday, April 12, press conference at the former president's Mar-a-Lago residence, the Republican leaders announced the bill as part of larger efforts to bolster election integrity.

"What we're going to do is introduce legislation to require that every single person who registers to vote in a federal election must prove that they are an American citizen first," Mr. Johnson said.

Though some jurisdictions allow noncitizens to participate in local elections, it is illegal for them to vote in all state and federal elections. However, the United States' federal voter registration form does not require documentary proof of citizenship, and states' efforts to impose such a requirement have been challenged by the Biden administration.

The new legislation, the speaker said, would establish new safeguards to ensure only citizens can vote. The provisions would require states to remove noncitizens from their voter rolls and would provide them with access to Department of Homeland Security and Social Security Administration databases to help them do so.

"Congress has this responsibility. We cannot wait for widespread fraud to occur … especially when the threat of fraud is growing with every single illegal immigrant that crosses that border," the speaker said.

He added that he expected the bill to receive widespread Republican support while also forcing Democrats to go on record with where they stand.

'The Tip of the Iceberg'

The push to secure elections from illegal votes comes amid the flood of illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border.

Illegal immigration, though a persistent problem for decades, has exploded to unprecedented levels under the Biden administration. The deluge has included individuals on the United States' terror watch list and others with prior convictions for violent crimes.
...

Remember when Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016 and he said he actually got more legal votes because there were 3 million non US citizens that illegally voted and he would prove it.

So he put together the "Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity", which ended up finding basically nothing.

And when they tried to spin things to make it look like they had found "thousands" of cases of fraud (which is nowhere close to 3 million), and then it came out they actually found like 950 cases since 2000. 

Trump did make one smart move in this thing though.  When the commission started getting subpoenaed for internal records of their investigation, Trump pulled the plug and disbanned the whole thing.  Don't think he ever spoke of it again.

He's doing the same thing now, except now he's not the president and he has to explain receiving 7 million votes fewer than his opponent instead of just 3.  But all the same people are falling for it again. Well most, maybe not all.

There's a reason one of the easiest ways to figure out if an American male is a Trump voter is by looking at how educated they are....

A minimum of 600,000 dead in Ukraine and the ME because of the financial support that the current administration sent abroad. On top of that, the nearing collapse of the US economy, and maybe even the banking system. Hillary would have been just as bad or worse. So...

As much as I am in favor of honesty, the Dems have been dishonorably dishonest. Gotta fight fire with fire sometimes. We want peace. If it takes Trump doing the things you say, so that we get peace and prosperity, more power to him.

At least we won't be having/financing wars because of the US... if Trump gets back in.

[TwitchySeal]

You forgot to read the post you were responding too so i have to post another image.

Look at yourself.

[BADecker]

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You forgot to read the post you were responding too so i have to post another image.

Look at yourself.

The point is the publicly held trials in the court of public opinion.


A Reliable Voting Bloc For Decades, Minorities Now Look For Alternatives To Democrats


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/reliable-voting-bloc-decades-minorities-now-look-alternatives-democrats
From the podium, Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), 83, took a call from the chief executive, who thanked South Carolinians for their support. Applause followed, with congratulations all around.

As the modest crowd dispersed, Mr. Clyburn spoke with the press. The veteran congressman and staunch Biden ally said that the president's support among black voters remained unshakable.

"The best illustration of that is that he got 96 percent of the vote in this primary," Mr. Clyburn said. "But his largest percentage—over 97 percent—was in the town of Orangeburg, where there are two HBCUs [historically black colleges and universities] and a community college."

"I go to an African American barbershop," Mr. Clyburn said. "I go to an African American Church. Joe Biden is as strong with African Americans as he has ever been."

Mr. Clyburn's view defies the findings of several recent polls and contradicts a trend that has been observable for several years. Namely, that Democrats have a problem with black voters, especially men. Hispanic voters, too.

Over the last eight years, minority voters have slowly but steadily migrated away from associating themselves with the Democratic Party, a movement that appears to be led by men.

An April poll from The Wall Street Journal shows that 30 percent of black men in battleground states intend to vote for Donald Trump. Hispanic voters who lean Republican are approaching parity with those who lean Democrat.

In simplest terms, analysts say, it amounts to a classic case of leaders being blind to generational change, taking their constituents for granted, and failing to deliver on the most basic function of government—to create conditions in which people can thrive.
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[paxmao]

"Snorleone" or "Sleepy don"... which one describes best what happened during the initial sessions of the trial for accounting fraud linked to paying a porn-start by Trump. Not bad for a guy that claims that his rival is "too old" and name-calls him "sleepy joe".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hush-money-trial-jury-b2529198.html

When he entered a Manhattan courthouse for the first day of his first criminal trial, Donald Trump’s Truth Social account fired off more than a dozen posts slamming the case and attacking the witnesses expected to testify against him.

ven as the judge was reading instructions to the group of men and women who could decide whether he’s running for office as a convicted felon, Mr Trump appeared to nod off, prompting a wave of “Sleepy Don” and “Don Snorleone” memes on social media.

The mafia boss at his best, Capone style, using the pack of crazies to threaten  jurors, judges an witnesses all over:

The trial jury should be able to consider “his very public statements” seen “as attempts to intimidate witnesses to stay quiet,” Mr Steinglass added. “This effort continues to this very day.”

His ongoing comments about trial witnesses are a “blatant violation of the court order about extrajudicial statements,” the gag order in the case, according to Mr Steinglass.

 

[TwitchySeal]

So Trumps lawyers put in a request for two days to pause the trial so Trump can attend his sons high school graduation (the same son that his wife was pregnant with while he was banging the porn star that will likely be called as a witness).

According to the associated press:

Merchan said he was not prepared to rule on either request, but that if the trial proceeds as planned he’s willing to adjourn for one or both days. “It really depends on how we’re doing on time and where we are in the trial,” Merchan said.

And here's Trumps response:






And some other right wing pearl clutchers with victim complexes :







I'm surprised BADecker hasn't started a thread about judge blocking Trump from attending graduation.

[paxmao]

He plays the victim like no other. Just picture, just for the shake of illustration, a couple of black guys caught on camera shoplifting and facing a judge and they say "but your honour, my son is graduating today, surely you will let me attend?"

Shit, no you can't! You have a criminal trial with plenty of convincing evidence, if you want to attend you son's graduation you have to be a law abiding citizen or miss on all the good things in life stupid! Is just like the previous filing saying "your honour Trump cannot be bothered with a trial, he has more important things to do because he is campaigning".

Seriously, I starting to doubt that even the most encroached Trumpists are finding all this excuses and loser's talk appealing.

[TwitchySeal]

He plays the victim like no other. Just picture, just for the shake of illustration, a couple of black guys caught on camera shoplifting and facing a judge and they say "but your honour, my son is graduating today, surely you will let me attend?"

Shit, no you can't! You have a criminal trial with plenty of convincing evidence, if you want to attend you son's graduation you have to be a law abiding citizen or miss on all the good things in life stupid! Is just like the previous filing saying "your honour Trump cannot be bothered with a trial, he has more important things to do because he is campaigning".

Seriously, I starting to doubt that even the most encroached Trumpists are finding all this excuses and loser's talk appealing.

Prediction: Judge pauses trial for graduation. Trump does something else.

[paxmao]

...

There's a reason one of the easiest ways to figure out if an American male is a Trump voter is by looking at how educated they are....

...

Yep there are studies about that and effectively there are several main indicators: religion, age, race, education / income level, state,... Curious to note on education that there are two main types of voters for Trump. Those that have very high education and income ("the very rich"), probably because they perfectly know what Trump is doing and the the very uneducated, probably because they THINK that Trump is going to do something for them.

I guess one of these groups is not going to be happy... I am guessing which one is going to be - (yes dumBAss, that'll be you)

FORBESBUSINESS
BREAKING
These Are The Big-Money Donors Backing Trump—As He Trails Biden’s Fundraising


Apr 18, 2024,04:25pm EDT
A coalition of wealthy donors gave large sums to former President Donald Trump during the first quarter, helping him narrow the fundraising gap with President Joe Biden.
Former President Trump Holds Rally In Schnecksville, Pennsylvania
Republican presidential candidate, former President Donald Trump speaks at a rally outside ...

KEY FACTS
The Trump 47 Committee, his joint fundraising vehicle with the Republican National Committee, which can accept checks up to $824,600 per donor, took in $23.5 million in the first three months of the year, according to Federal Election Commission filings made public Monday—money divided among his campaign, his Save America Leadership PAC that’s been footing his legal bills, the RNC and state parties.

Intercontinental Exchange founder Jeffrey Sprecher, hotel magnate and former DeSantis donor Robert Bigelow, TD Ameritrade founder J. Joe Ricketts and former Georgia senator Kelly Loeffler, who is married to Sprecher, all gave the maximum amount to the Trump 47 Committee.

Casino mogul Phil Ruffin, sugar magnate Jose Fanjul, Energy Transfer pipeline company co-founder Kelcy Warren, former pro wrestling executive and ex-SBA Administrator Linda McMahon, Los Angeles real estate billionaire Geoffrey Palmer, former Renaissance Technologies CEO Robert Mercer, casino mogul Steve Wynn and hedge fund billionaire John Paulson also each donated more than $800,000 to Trump 47.

[BADecker]

Here is something interesting. This kind of thinking might easily be transferred to Trump in his cases.


Sidney Powell Completely Vindicated


https://wltreport.com/2024/04/19/sidney-powell-completely-vindicated/
Now what do the Democrats have to say, the ones that were so quick to point the finger at Sidney Powell?

Justice arrived on Wednesday, when a Texas court stated that it wasn't proven that Powell was guilty of "fraud, dishonesty, deceit, or misrepresentation."

Let's see how many from the Left, how many from the legacy media will offer her an apology.

We may be waiting a while.

Reuters reports:

A Texas appellate court on Wednesday upheld a decision to reject attorney disciplinary charges against Donald Trump ally Sidney Powell, finding that the state's bar failed to prove that she had engaged in "fraud, dishonesty, deceit, or misrepresentation."

The Dallas-based Fifth Court of Appeals of Texas said in a 23-page opinion that state bar prosecutors "employed a 'scattershot' approach to the case," which alleged that Powell had "no reasonable basis" for filing lawsuits challenging U.S. President Joe Biden's 2020 election victories in key battleground states.

A judge had sided with Powell in the case last year, finding "numerous defects" in the evidence presented by the State Bar of Texas Commission for Lawyer Discipline.

A representative for the Texas state bar said the commission would meet to determine its next steps and declined to comment further. Powell's attorney Robert Holmes did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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[paxmao]

I wonder if the Republicans are getting tired of Trump in general. The vote in the house today in favour of Ukraine included 100 Republicans, which is a lot of Republicans voting specifically against what Trump has said many times in public. This may be tiredness with all his misbehaviour and the ongoing trials, or simply the do not want to play game with the looser.

[suchmoon]

Prediction: Judge pauses trial for graduation. Trump does something else.

Even if he does go to the graduation (which I can't imagine Barron being happy about) he'll probably try to turn into a political rally, what with all the reporters following him around.

I wonder if the Republicans are getting tired of Trump in general. The vote in the house today in favour of Ukraine included 100 Republicans, which is a lot of Republicans voting specifically against what Trump has said many times in public. This may be tiredness with all his misbehaviour and the ongoing trials, or simply the do not want to play game with the looser.

No, still no. He's a loser but he's their only option. They gave in on Ukraine because it's not a big campaign issue for Trump. But I doubt they'll do anything about the border for example.

[BADecker]

Prediction: Judge pauses trial for graduation. Trump does something else.

Even if he does go to the graduation (which I can't imagine Barron being happy about) he'll probably try to turn into a political rally, what with all the reporters following him around.

I wonder if the Republicans are getting tired of Trump in general. The vote in the house today in favour of Ukraine included 100 Republicans, which is a lot of Republicans voting specifically against what Trump has said many times in public. This may be tiredness with all his misbehaviour and the ongoing trials, or simply the do not want to play game with the looser.

No, still no. He's a loser but he's their only option. They gave in on Ukraine because it's not a big campaign issue for Trump. But I doubt they'll do anything about the border for example.

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency? Look at Biden. He botches all kinds of things he does. In addition, his team gets money sent to other countries causing war and death... just like Hillary did, and would have done if she had won. Trump never did anything like that. Trump handled other countries in business fashion... peacefully, by free market activity. That's why they all loved him and followed what he said.

You can easily see that the only reason why there are any Trump trials is that the opposition is so unpopular, that the only way they have a chance of winning among Americans is if they lie and cheat. Consider that they themselves, and thousands or millions of other Americans have done the same kinds of things that Trump has been accused of... and often much worse. But nobody else is facing the kinds of accusations that Trump is.

Time to wake up and realize that you are on the side of death and destruction when you are against Trump. If Trump loses, and Biden-Team-like people win, they will overtake and destroy everything, even you. How blind are you that you are in favor of your own destruction?

[suchmoon]

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency?

For you - no one. Trump is the second coming of Jesus. Make sure to give all your life savings to him because he's very rich and doesn't need your money.

You can easily see that the only reason why there are any Trump trials is that the opposition is so unpopular, that the only way they have a chance of winning among Americans is if they lie and cheat. Consider that they themselves, and thousands or millions of other Americans have done the same kinds of things that Trump has been accused of... and often much worse. But nobody else is facing the kinds of accusations that Trump is.

Millions of Americans have cheated on their spouses with porn stars and illegally paid $130k to said porn stars? And stored stolen top secret documents in their bathrooms? Seems unlikely. And if that were true it still wouldn't make it not a crime. If a guy in the trailer next door kills his wife, it doesn't make it right for you to kill yours - that's some free legal advice for you.

Time to wake up and realize that you are on the side of death and destruction when you are against Trump. If Trump loses, and Biden-Team-like people win, they will overtake and destroy everything, even you. How blind are you that you are in favor of your own destruction?

Well, the evil Biden people had nearly 4 years to destroy me and failed miserably, so you're probably full shit on that one just like on everything else. Good to see that some things never change on this shithole of a forum.

[BADecker]

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency?

For you - no one. Trump is the second coming of Jesus. Make sure to give all your life savings to him because he's very rich and doesn't need your money.

You can easily see that the only reason why there are any Trump trials is that the opposition is so unpopular, that the only way they have a chance of winning among Americans is if they lie and cheat. Consider that they themselves, and thousands or millions of other Americans have done the same kinds of things that Trump has been accused of... and often much worse. But nobody else is facing the kinds of accusations that Trump is.

Millions of Americans have cheated on their spouses with porn stars and illegally paid $130k to said porn stars? And stored stolen top secret documents in their bathrooms? Seems unlikely. And if that were true it still wouldn't make it not a crime. If a guy in the trailer next door kills his wife, it doesn't make it right for you to kill yours - that's some free legal advice for you.

Time to wake up and realize that you are on the side of death and destruction when you are against Trump. If Trump loses, and Biden-Team-like people win, they will overtake and destroy everything, even you. How blind are you that you are in favor of your own destruction?

Well, the evil Biden people had nearly 4 years to destroy me and failed miserably, so you're probably full shit on that one just like on everything else. Good to see that some things never change on this shithole of a forum.

You misunderstand about the whole thing. The only reason why the evil Biden people failed to destroy you is because it takes a long time for anybody to destroy the good that Trump did in his first term. But there are a whole bunch of other people around the world that Trump didn't have enough time to protect from the Biden Team and the Deep State.

You should really be praying to your lucky stars - or whatever you pray to - that Trump gets in, in 2024. If he does, you just might have a chance to go on living before the Biden Team takes you and bunch of the rest of us out.

[suchmoon]

You misunderstand about the whole thing. The only reason why the evil Biden people failed to destroy you is because it takes a long time for anybody to destroy the good that Trump did in his first term. But there are a whole bunch of other people around the world that Trump didn't have enough time to protect from the Biden Team and the Deep State.

You should really be praying to your lucky stars - or whatever you pray to - that Trump gets in, in 2024. If he does, you just might have a chance to go on living before the Biden Team takes you and bunch of the rest of us out.

Good one. I doubt anyone could possibly be this dumb, but if you're not joking then I'm gonna vote for Biden at least three times just to see you scared shitless of him sending Kamala to "take you out" (for dinner I presume).

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency?

For you - no one. Trump is the second coming of Jesus. Make sure to give all your life savings to him because he's very rich and doesn't need your money.

You can easily see that the only reason why there are any Trump trials is that the opposition is so unpopular, that the only way they have a chance of winning among Americans is if they lie and cheat. Consider that they themselves, and thousands or millions of other Americans have done the same kinds of things that Trump has been accused of... and often much worse. But nobody else is facing the kinds of accusations that Trump is.

Millions of Americans have cheated on their spouses with porn stars and illegally paid $130k to said porn stars? And stored stolen top secret documents in their bathrooms? Seems unlikely. And if that were true it still wouldn't make it not a crime. If a guy in the trailer next door kills his wife, it doesn't make it right for you to kill yours - that's some free legal advice for you.

Time to wake up and realize that you are on the side of death and destruction when you are against Trump. If Trump loses, and Biden-Team-like people win, they will overtake and destroy everything, even you. How blind are you that you are in favor of your own destruction?

Well, the evil Biden people had nearly 4 years to destroy me and failed miserably, so you're probably full shit on that one just like on everything else. Good to see that some things never change on this shithole of a forum.

You misunderstand about the whole thing. The only reason why the evil Biden people failed to destroy you is because it takes a long time for anybody to destroy the good that Trump did in his first term. But there are a whole bunch of other people around the world that Trump didn't have enough time to protect from the Biden Team and the Deep State.

You should really be praying to your lucky stars - or whatever you pray to - that Trump gets in, in 2024. If he does, you just might have a chance to go on living before the Biden Team takes you and bunch of the rest of us out.

Hey whatever happened to this conspiracy theory?

I think that when Trump endorsed Operation Warp Speed, he already had a good idea about two things. And this was the reason he didn't fight as hard as he could have to stop the steal and get the Presidency back. What 2 things?
1. That the vaccines would probably be killers.
2. The Dems would be inclined to be vaxxed the most.

All Trump has to do is sit by and wait for the Dems to become immobilized before 2024. They will either be dead, or so sick that they won't even think about voting. And Trump will win by an easy landslide... way more than before, percentage-wise, while just sitting arouind and waiting for it to happen.

This is the way it is happening. Statistics show lots of dead already. Who were they? Dems who sat in the basement along with Brandon, and took the jabs, faithfully, and even lovingly. They will mostly be gone by 2024.

Here's some data that you won't like to see



https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/life-expectancy-by-state

[Hispo]

You misunderstand about the whole thing. The only reason why the evil Biden people failed to destroy you is because it takes a long time for anybody to destroy the good that Trump did in his first term. But there are a whole bunch of other people around the world that Trump didn't have enough time to protect from the Biden Team and the Deep State.

You should really be praying to your lucky stars - or whatever you pray to - that Trump gets in, in 2024. If he does, you just might have a chance to go on living before the Biden Team takes you and bunch of the rest of us out.

Good one. I doubt anyone could possibly be this dumb, but if you're not joking then I'm gonna vote for Biden at least three times just to see you scared shitless of him sending Kamala to "take you out" (for dinner I presume).

He is unironically making a reference of how Biden and the deep state are alledgely behind some kind of plan to literally kill an important percentage of the people in the country or even on earth.
It just takes some memory and recall several of the stuff he has posted about the Democrat party and other conspiracies to infer what he is talking about.
I don't know about you, but in my eyes, the fact Trump decided to actually get into politics has done a very serious damage to the democracy and society of the United States.
It is as if I almost miss the good old days when the difference between democrats and Republicans were their views on economy and how taxation was supposed to be distributed (among other things), it seems this alledged orange "billionaire" just accelerated the polarization and division within the country for the sake of his own ego.

If you said someone back in the 2000s the Republican party was going to support a man facing so many criminal trials and found to be a rapist in a civil trial, they would have called you crazy.

[InCap Live]

"If you said someone back in the 2000s the Republican party was going to support a man facing so many criminal trials and found to be a rapist in a civil trial, they would have called you crazy."


I agree 100%, this is "crazy*1,000", and America has people laughing at us all over the world. It would be hard to get much worse with his repeat opponent being a zombie who often can barely speak any more.

You misunderstand about the whole thing. The only reason why the evil Biden people failed to destroy you is because it takes a long time for anybody to destroy the good that Trump did in his first term. But there are a whole bunch of other people around the world that Trump didn't have enough time to protect from the Biden Team and the Deep State.

You should really be praying to your lucky stars - or whatever you pray to - that Trump gets in, in 2024. If he does, you just might have a chance to go on living before the Biden Team takes you and bunch of the rest of us out.

Good one. I doubt anyone could possibly be this dumb, but if you're not joking then I'm gonna vote for Biden at least three times just to see you scared shitless of him sending Kamala to "take you out" (for dinner I presume).

He is unironically making a reference of how Biden and the deep state are alledgely behind some kind of plan to literally kill an important percentage of the people in the country or even on earth.
It just takes some memory and recall several of the stuff he has posted about the Democrat party and other conspiracies to infer what he is talking about.
I don't know about you, but in my eyes, the fact Trump decided to actually get into politics has done a very serious damage to the democracy and society of the United States.
It is as if I almost miss the good old days when the difference between democrats and Republicans were their views on economy and how taxation was supposed to be distributed (among other things), it seems this alledged orange "billionaire" just accelerated the polarization and division within the country for the sake of his own ego.

If you said someone back in the 2000s the Republican party was going to support a man facing so many criminal trials and found to be a rapist in a civil trial, they would have called you crazy.

[TwitchySeal]

It would be hard to get much worse with his repeat opponent being a zombie who often can barely speak any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al7ont2noYA&t=1s

Pick a random time and watch for 10 minutes.  He's fine.

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency? Look at Biden.

Biden would be fine, yes.  Or anyone in his cabinet, other than a handful of crazies pretty much anyone in the House or Senate.  I'd probably vote for 99% of non incarcerated Americans that would be eligible to run if it were between them and Trump.  That's around 100 million people.

I'd probably have to vote for Trump if he were running against you though.

[paxmao]

It would be hard to get much worse with his repeat opponent being a zombie who often can barely speak any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al7ont2noYA&t=1s

Pick a random time and watch for 10 minutes.  He's fine.

If Trump is a loser, who would you suggest for the Presidency? Look at Biden.

Biden would be fine, yes.  Or anyone in his cabinet, other than a handful of crazies pretty much anyone in the House or Senate.  I'd probably vote for 99% of non incarcerated Americans that would be eligible to run if it were between them and Trump.  That's around 100 million people.

I'd probably have to vote for Trump if he were running against you though.

Trump just cannot help it. He just violated a gag order. Previously, he has been fined for tweeting shit about judges, their families, the witnesses ... beyond anything that you may have seen before in the US justice system.

Pecker puts jury inside how AMI helped Trump in 2016 campaign: Pecker, who ran American Media Inc. during the 2016 election, [...]  testified about the “catch and kill” deals involving McDougal and Trump’s doorman. He said that he met with Trump and Cohen in 2015 where he agreed to be the “eyes and ears” of the campaign and look out for negative stories.

"Catch and kill deals" means finding about Trump misdoings and people who may disclose these to the press. Basically paying someone for silencing a scandal before it happens. Problem here, he charged that to "campaign expenses" and, apparently, evaded taxes and other stuff.

Gag order hearing goes badly for Trump: Judge Juan Merchan issued the gag order before the trial began, limiting Trump from publicly discussing witnesses, the jury, the district attorney’s staff and Merchan's family. He has not yet ruled on the district attorney’s motion to sanction Trump for allegedly violating the order, but it wasn’t hard to tell the judge’s sentiments. Merchan rejected the explanations that Trump attorney Todd Blanche offered for the offending posts after Trump’s attorney tried to argue that posts about Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen were political and not about the case

[TwitchySeal]

I can't resist posting this even though it's only a little more credible than your average BADecker post...



'Struggling With the Smell': Donald Trump Farts Up a Storm During His Criminal Trial as a Foul Stench Fills the Courtroom: Report
https://okmagazine.com/p/donald-trump-farts-criminal-trial-lawyers-foul-stench/

[Vod]

Trump just cannot help it. He just violated a gag order. Previously, he has been fined for tweeting shit about judges, their families, the witnesses ... beyond anything that you may have seen before in the US justice system.

I think they gave him a picture book too early in the trial.   Now they have nothing to distract him. 

[paxmao]

Trump just cannot help it. He just violated a gag order. Previously, he has been fined for tweeting shit about judges, their families, the witnesses ... beyond anything that you may have seen before in the US justice system.

I think they gave him a picture book too early in the trial.   Now they have nothing to distract him. 

Maybe a Playboy subscription in exchange for not Xtweeting anything for, lets say 48 hours?

A textbook narcissist, he is got so many of the traits and tactics of narcissists that should be a case study like...

Patient 187 describes himself as the leader and saviour of his country:

- when he looses describes a situation in which "the largest conspiracy" took place to make him loose,
- his projects are "the biggest projects ever seen" and anyone who dares to question absolutely anything is described as a hater, criminal, conspirationists...
- Any and all failures are described as either "achivements" or "caused by his enemies". Responsibility for actions is nil, and once people do not serve his purpose he goes into full offensive onto them (e.g. the Vice president, his layers,...).

Unable to recognise any mistake, when there is objective information or data showing those, he denies the data, the producers of the information, the media that publishes it and even the colour of the background if given opportunity (e.g. unemployment data).

[Vod]

Maybe a Playboy subscription in exchange for not Xtweeting anything for, lets say 48 hours?

He probably already has a digital subscription to every dirty magazine. 

[BADecker]

There are two kinds of Trump trials. There are the government/court trials, and there are the trials of public opinion.

[paxmao]

There are two kinds of Trump trials. There are the government/court trials, and there are the trials of public opinion.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/26/politics/takeaways-trump-hush-money-trial-friday-day-8/index.html

The hush money case against Trump weaves a colorful narrative with a tabloid publisher suppressing torrid affairs for a businessman-turned-politician and a hush money scheme orchestrated by a now-disbarred lawyer to a porn star.

But Trump is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records – so prosecutors have warned this will in many ways be a routine, document-heavy trial.

[...]

Banker Gary Farro testified to records that show Cohen changed course about two weeks later in October 2016 to instead open an account for another company – Essential Consultants – an entity ultimately used to pay Daniels in the hush money scheme to suppress her story about an alleged affair with Trump. (Trump has denied both alleged affairs.)

It is clear that this is not some short of casual spending or a simple scheme, it required the creation of opaque companies to get the money from A (the donations for a political campaign) to B, the account of a female porn professional that frequently calls Trump "tiny". As of now, the defence has failed to score any hit that might question the essence accusation.

[paxmao]

the prosecution in the Trump trial got what they wanted from former American Media CEO David Pecker this week — a concession that the hush money payments he made on behalf of Trump were done in order to help Donald Trump’s campaign for president.

All were direct torpedo hits to the defense’s opening statement Monday, in which Trump lawyer Todd Blanche argued that any and all hush money payments were to keep negative stories from reaching Trump’s family’s eyes,

How do you defend someone who has so obviously done the stuff he is accused of? Like kids... using your imagination! However reality catches up:

it’s the only case that will conclude before the presidential election. If the pressure wasn’t ratcheted all the way up before, it certainly is now.

In the hearing about granting Trump inmunity from anything (absolutely anything) done during the presidency:

two justices, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, who appeared to fully accept Trump’s claims of presidential immunity
[...]
Alito went so far as to put forward the argument that not granting full presidential immunity from prosecution would in fact make the president more likely to commit crimes in an attempt to stay in office.

Incredible argument coming from a judge! Is like saying that holding a bank robber responsible is likely to end with the guy killing a police to not be caught, so better not to do anything about it! If you think of it, is quite the opposite, a President knowing that is immune from anything could, for example, order the killing of any opposition. Gates open for a Tyrant.

But alas, this is the type of judges that the Republicans put in the Supreme Court. But of course, there is a strategy behind this orchestrated delay of "sending back to lower courts".

Even if the Court doesn’t entirely endorse Trump’s insistence that he’s fully immune, sending the case back down to a lower court would end any hope that prosecutors had to bring it before the election.

if he wins in November, the decision would for all intents and purposes stop him from being prosecuted for his attempts to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election at all, given that he would be able to shut down the work of the special counsel as president

My guess is that most of the judges would very much like to say that Trump is not immune from crimes done for his own benefit, but many of them are good dogs and some scared dogs. They would rather delay the issue until it is dismissed.

[BADecker]

Seems that any bond that Trump might be required to post, can easily be backed by loads of bond companies that want to make a little money. Or, Trump could simply throw a little money into the pot, himself.


Donald Trump Awarded 36 Million More Trump Media Shares Worth $1.6 Billion After Hitting Price Benchmarks


https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/05/02/donald-trump-awarded-36-million-more-trump-media-shares-worth-1-6-billion-after-hitting-price-benchmarks/
Former President Donald Trump has secured an additional $1.6 billion worth of shares in Trump Media, according to a regulatory filing this week.

Based on the company's stock hitting certain price benchmarks, Trump was awarded an additional 36 million shares in the company that owns his social media platform Truth Social. That brings his total ownership to more than 114 million shares, which based on Wednesday's closing stock price, are worth about $5.2 billion.

For now, the value of those shares is considered "paper wealth." Trump is prohibited from selling any shares for six months after Trump Media went public without securing a waiver from the company's board.

Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, now owns close to two-thirds of the company's outstanding shares.

Trump Media & Technology Group shares have surged in the past couple of weeks and closed Tuesday at $49.93. Trump only needed the stock to be above $17.50 each for 20 consecutive trading days to secure the new shares.

The stock on Wednesday tumbled 9.6%, closing at $45.13.

Trump Media got its place on the Nasdaq after merging with a company called Digital World Acquisition Corp., a special purpose acquisition company, or SPAC. These type of mergers offer young companies quicker and easier routes to getting their shares trading publicly.

On March 26, the first day of trading after Trump Media closed the merger with Digital World Acquisition, shares in the newly combined company reached nearly $80 each in intraday trading before closing at $57.99.

Less than a week after that flashy stock market debut, Trump Media disclosed that it lost nearly $58.2 million last year, sending its stock tumbling more than 21%. The 2023 losses marked a stark decline compared with the profit of $50.5 million that the company reported for 2022, according to a regulatory filing.
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