Bitmain Antminer S6 and S7 Speculation

[QuintLeo]

Diff isn't just about the S7.

 It's also about KnC "Solar", which was announced to be "in production" a while ago, though in unknown quantity.
 It's about whatever BitFury is selling to their big farm customers - again, no hard data but I remember a MBP posting about "next gen" a while back.
 It's about whoever bought most of that first batch of Sfards machines to a small degree.
 It's also going to be about the Innosilicon A3 and products built from that when it is released.
 It might end up being in part about other manufacturers that haven't made any sort of announcements to date.



 I'm betting we'll see the S7 specs announced about the same time that BitMain makes their "final" batch of used S5s available for sale, and the machine itself will go on sale about the same time the last of those used S5s get sold off.


 As to WHEN that will be, dunno. Hoping for early September but not holding my breath....

[soy]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

[amelen]

Price: 440.0 USD(1.55783314฿)  Stock: 177

Slowly getting to 0.

[VirosaGITS]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

Hmm luck affect the guessed network hashrate too, i wouldn't go saying Bitmain went and offlined 100PH in a shot. It's not 296 today either, look more like 360. But its possible they onlined a bunch of hardware yesterday and offlined a batch of S5 today to be ready to ship for the 14th+ august date.

I find the up spike and then down spike exactly syncing with bitmain's S5 event days pretty funny. And maybe suggest that Bitmain is truly doing what everything think they are doing...

Price: 440.0 USD(1.55783314฿)  Stock: 177

Slowly getting to 0.

They can replenish the stock at anytime, too.

[VirosaGITS]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

Hmm luck affect the guessed network hashrate too, i wouldn't go saying Bitmain went and offlined 100PH in a shot. It's not 296 today either, look more like 360. But its possible they onlined a bunch of hardware yesterday and offlined a batch of S5 today to be ready to ship for the 14th+ august date.

I find the up spike and then down spike exactly syncing with bitmain's S5 event days pretty funny. And maybe suggest that Bitmain is truly doing what everything think they are doing...

Price: 440.0 USD(1.55783314฿)  Stock: 177

Slowly getting to 0.

They can replenish the stock at anytime, too.

Well the idea is they can't as they have switched over fabrication to the new units and are not making any of the old S5 now, so the idea is when they are out of S5 they won't have a hold and wait on selling units but bring out their new units.

Right, but i am saying, they can replenish their stock with S5s they currently run in their mines and maybe some they have in storage. And they sure do have a lot of them.

Since they can simply power down a section of the miner and refurbish the S5's they can effectively replenish the stock at any time.

[QuintLeo]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

 Common short term variation. Don't look at instantanious hash rates, look at a longer-term average like on bitcoinwisdom. Short spikes ALWAYS happen, and sometimes they're pretty big.

[soy]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

Hmm luck affect the guessed network hashrate too, i wouldn't go saying Bitmain went and offlined 100PH in a shot. It's not 296 today either, look more like 360. But its possible they onlined a bunch of hardware yesterday and offlined a batch of S5 today to be ready to ship for the 14th+ august date.

I find the up spike and then down spike exactly syncing with bitmain's S5 event days pretty funny. And maybe suggest that Bitmain is truly doing what everything think they are doing...

Price: 440.0 USD(1.55783314฿)  Stock: 177

Slowly getting to 0.

They can replenish the stock at anytime, too.

Read your post, went back and looked at the graph (https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=) and see I was wrong.  Looked at my daily notes and see I must have misread the chart, having the wrong info recorded.  The chart indicates it dropped to 327.

[VirosaGITS]

Noon yesterday net hashrate was 413 and today it's 296.  Is the big swing from Bitmain, KnC or the hot weather?

Hmm luck affect the guessed network hashrate too, i wouldn't go saying Bitmain went and offlined 100PH in a shot. It's not 296 today either, look more like 360. But its possible they onlined a bunch of hardware yesterday and offlined a batch of S5 today to be ready to ship for the 14th+ august date.

I find the up spike and then down spike exactly syncing with bitmain's S5 event days pretty funny. And maybe suggest that Bitmain is truly doing what everything think they are doing...

Price: 440.0 USD(1.55783314฿)  Stock: 177

Slowly getting to 0.

They can replenish the stock at anytime, too.

Read your post, went back and looked at the graph (https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=) and see I was wrong.  Looked at my daily notes and see I must have misread the chart, having the wrong info recorded.  The chart indicates it dropped to 327.

Indeed, though the values are always guesstimates from the network blockrate. Nevertheless it still looks like the rate dropped sharply exactly at the time where they shipped me a batch, as if they offlined a batch after finishing preparing and offloading the last batch.

Also i use this website to track the hashrate and diff; https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

[QuintLeo]

I'd tend to agree that the noticeable drop was probably related to Bitmain - but I'd guess it was "pulled the August 5 batch to ship it" machines, not pull machines that aren't due to ship for almost a week, given the actual timing and the timing on WHEN they shipped that "August 5" batch.

[VirosaGITS]

I'd tend to agree that the noticeable drop was probably related to Bitmain - but I'd guess it was "pulled the August 5 batch to ship it" machines, not pull machines that aren't due to ship for almost a week, given the actual timing and the timing on WHEN they shipped that "August 5" batch.

I would doubt so. I received the tracking number and confirmed the package was in UPS hands at the same time it spiked. I do not think the machine can teleport from the mine, while in use, to packaged and in UPS's hands within minutes.

But it is possible after making room in the storage, they went back to their mine and started unplugging more stuff and then plugging new stuff, refilling the storage with more S5s.

[philipma1957]

if bitmain is firing up s-6/7 to replace the used s-5's they are selling.  It would account for hash rate drop the last few days.

They also can time taking the s-5's offline right before the diff changes thus making the next diff 3% less.  it does appear they did this.


but none of us can be sure unless the network grows a lot on the next adjustment.

[valkir]

Really curious to see the S6 or S7. Been a long time since the last gear!

[mez]

soon ™

[Rabinovitch]

Are you ready for some details about S5+? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.msg12076285#msg12076285

[valkir]

This could be really nice. But damn it take a lot of power. Any idea if they will do a 2 modules or 1 modules model?
Any ETA ? 

[VirosaGITS]

Are you ready for some details about S5+? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.msg12076285#msg12076285

I hope that is a personal mod and not a real thing coming from bitmain as it would be quite the disappointment instead of a sleek S7, I am done with the +'s.

Um, yeah. Definitively. I want something small factor and easily modable (sound wise mostly). And ideally something stackable. And this is definitively not what i would be looking for...

[RealMalatesta]

Are you ready for some details about S5+? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.msg12076285#msg12076285

I hope that is a personal mod and not a real thing coming from bitmain as it would be quite the disappointment instead of a sleek S7, I am done with the +'s.

Um, yeah. Definitively. I want something small factor and easily modable (sound wise mostly). And ideally something stackable. And this is definitively not what i would be looking for...

Hopefully this is just one of the few experiments that Bitmain has done and will decide to not release (just like they did with the S2 upgrade kits) The people want a new miner and a new chip!

Ah, c'mon, just some of them for having fun would be good.

[amelen]

Officially on the US site now:

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002015081407532655504JMKzsM067B

[VirosaGITS]

Officially on the US site now:

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002015081407532655504JMKzsM067B

This ain't the S6 or S7, however.

We're still waiting for the news from Bitmain that was supposed to be here last month.

[amelen]

Officially on the US site now:

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002015081407532655504JMKzsM067B

This ain't the S6 or S7, however.

We're still waiting for the news from Bitmain that was supposed to be here last month.

Yup, but still pretty big news of a new unit from them. Unfortunately, with the sound decibels and power usage, the S5+ will be hard to use outside of a true data center.