DEA Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

[inBitweTrust]

What confuses me about Ross isn't whether he was sentenced to life or got off completely free. Ross strikes me as a pretty bright kid. He must have known that the Christian Puritan laws in this country would eventually catch up with him because he wasn't 12 years old and tried to hide his identity. He's not a martyr because he did try very hard to hide his real identity. Martyrs usually want everyone to know who they are and don't mind taking a bullet for the team. What confuses me is why this bright kid didn't leave America to run his illegal business? Why stay in the Christian Lions jaws waiting for the eventual bite? Makes no sense to me.

There could be a slight advantage to staying in the US as investigators could drastically narrow the search down to focusing on Americans who left recently or before the creation of the silk road.

The best solution would have been to make his nationality/race/identity ambiguous when speaking with employees and leave the US IMHO. It is difficult but can be done as Satoshi has shown.

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[duke1839]

What confuses me about Ross isn't whether he was sentenced to life or got off completely free. Ross strikes me as a pretty bright kid. He must have known that the Christian Puritan laws in this country would eventually catch up with him because he wasn't 12 years old and tried to hide his identity. He's not a martyr because he did try very hard to hide his real identity. Martyrs usually want everyone to know who they are and don't mind taking a bullet for the team. What confuses me is why this bright kid didn't leave America to run his illegal business? Why stay in the Christian Lions jaws waiting for the eventual bite? Makes no sense to me.

It makes sense if he really was the fall guy that he claimed to be.  Andy Greenburg said that Ulbritch had a mole in the investigation.  No, DPR had a mole.  If DPR was tipped off that the Feds were closing in on him, it is plausible that Ulbricht is just the fall guy.  As far as I'm concerned, the only thing Ulbricht is guilty of is trying to remove a spam post from the Silk Road forums.  30 years for removing a spam post.

[QuestionAuthority]

What confuses me about Ross isn't whether he was sentenced to life or got off completely free. Ross strikes me as a pretty bright kid. He must have known that the Christian Puritan laws in this country would eventually catch up with him because he wasn't 12 years old and tried to hide his identity. He's not a martyr because he did try very hard to hide his real identity. Martyrs usually want everyone to know who they are and don't mind taking a bullet for the team. What confuses me is why this bright kid didn't leave America to run his illegal business? Why stay in the Christian Lions jaws waiting for the eventual bite? Makes no sense to me.

There could be a slight advantage to staying in the US as investigators could drastically narrow the search down to focusing on Americans who left recently or before the creation of the silk road.

The best solution would have been to make his nationality/race/identity ambiguous when speaking with employees and leave the US IMHO. It is difficult but can be done as Satoshi has shown.

I suppose but I think I'd rather live free in Somalia than be a prisoner in America. It's not like he didn't have plenty of money to hire his own protection army.

[QuestionAuthority]

What confuses me about Ross isn't whether he was sentenced to life or got off completely free. Ross strikes me as a pretty bright kid. He must have known that the Christian Puritan laws in this country would eventually catch up with him because he wasn't 12 years old and tried to hide his identity. He's not a martyr because he did try very hard to hide his real identity. Martyrs usually want everyone to know who they are and don't mind taking a bullet for the team. What confuses me is why this bright kid didn't leave America to run his illegal business? Why stay in the Christian Lions jaws waiting for the eventual bite? Makes no sense to me.

It makes sense if he really was the fall guy that he claimed to be.  Andy Greenburg said that Ulbritch had a mole in the investigation.  No, DPR had a mole.  If DPR was tipped off that the Feds were closing in on him, it is plausible that Ulbricht is just the fall guy.  As far as I'm concerned, the only thing Ulbricht is guilty of is trying to remove a spam post from the Silk Road forums.  30 years for removing a spam post.

That really would be sad, wouldn't it?

[AGD]

Since alota people keep defending Ross Ulbricht like he was some kinda hero:


When Nod (DEA agent Force) asked Ross what to do with (Curtis Green) who was supposed to have stolen 350000$, he first said:

(2013-01-26 11:17) myself: I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the
bitcoins he stole back. like sit him down at his computer and make him do
it


After one day of thinking, Ross changed his mind and stated following:

(2013-01-27 15:16) Nob: as we discussed, I reached out and I have two
very, professional individuals that are going to visit green
(2013-01-27 15:16) myself: will they execute him if I want?
(2013-01-27 15:17) Nob: they are very good; yes, but I directed them only
to beat him up; that was your wishes yesterday, correct?
(2013-01-27 15:19) myself: yes it was

and a few minutes later:

(2013-01-27 15:25) myself: ok, so can you change the order to execute
rather than torture?
Case 1:14-cr-00068-KBF Document 227-1 Filed 03/31/15 Page 49 of 121
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(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: he was on the inside for a while, and now that
he's been arrested, I'm afraid he'll give up info
(2013-01-27 15:26) Nob: yes, is that what you want?
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: and he ripped me off
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: it is, after i had a chance to think on it
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: never killed a man or had one killed before,
but it is the right move in this case.
(2013-01-27 15:27) myself: how much will it cost?

When you read that part in his own written journal it goes something like:

- Set up new server
- Site got DDosd
- Paid hitman to kill that thief
- Went to the park to clean it up

I have no remorse for this m....f.... low life computer nerd, wh orders killings like other people order pizza. I hope he rots in jail forever.

[Its About Sharing]

I think we just have to take the same approach the US Government took with taking essentially no action with the complicit drug laundering actions of HSBC and Wachovia - No charges nor jailtime due to the danger of a lack of faith/belief in our banking system which they say could have had a dire outcome (to their partners no doubt).

Similarly, the danger in putting Ross in jail for essentially creating a torrent like linking system for products, is going to cause me and millions of others to lose Faith in The US Legal system as well as the Government. All the while Cannabis is being legalized with other drugs to follow. Bad timing US.

Also, since the before mentioned banks' fines were less than there profits, and since 10,000 or so murders can be attributed to their actions, Ross should also get his BTC's back in addition to being free.

Finally let Ross and Snowden share the Nobel Peace prize for doing more than Obama ever has.

Its About Sharing!

[Its About Sharing]

Since alota people keep defending Ross Ulbricht like he was some kinda hero:


When Nod (DEA agent Force) asked Ross what to do with (Curtis Green) who was supposed to have stolen 350000$, he first said:

(2013-01-26 11:17) myself: I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the
bitcoins he stole back. like sit him down at his computer and make him do
it


After one day of thinking, Ross changed his mind and stated following:

(2013-01-27 15:16) Nob: as we discussed, I reached out and I have two
very, professional individuals that are going to visit green
(2013-01-27 15:16) myself: will they execute him if I want?
(2013-01-27 15:17) Nob: they are very good; yes, but I directed them only
to beat him up; that was your wishes yesterday, correct?
(2013-01-27 15:19) myself: yes it was

and a few minutes later:

(2013-01-27 15:25) myself: ok, so can you change the order to execute
rather than torture?
Case 1:14-cr-00068-KBF Document 227-1 Filed 03/31/15 Page 49 of 121
20
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: he was on the inside for a while, and now that
he's been arrested, I'm afraid he'll give up info
(2013-01-27 15:26) Nob: yes, is that what you want?
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: and he ripped me off
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: it is, after i had a chance to think on it
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: never killed a man or had one killed before,
but it is the right move in this case.
(2013-01-27 15:27) myself: how much will it cost?

When you read that part in his own written journal it goes something like:

- Set up new server
- Site got DDosd
- Paid hitman to kill that thief
- Went to the park to clean it up

I have no remorse for this m....f.... low life computer nerd, wh orders killings like other people order pizza. I hope he rots in jail forever.

No one was killed, while HSBC and Wochovia got away with the money and over 10,000 deaths. Get your priorities straight (and spread the love). 

[AGD]

Noone was killed just because he hired the "wrong" hitman.

[Its About Sharing]

Noone was killed just because he hired the "wrong" hitman.

Your pissing in the wind man. Those two corrupt cops got that case thrown out, and perhaps Ross free'd.
And Agent Force was ready for some serious killing with all them guns at the time of his arrest.
Again, get your priorities straight, Ross was helping the planet as a whole by doing his part to end the war on people, I mean consciousness, I mean drugs. 

[sAt0sHiFanClub]

Noone was killed just because he hired the "wrong" hitman.

All the evidence you quoted above was generated and supplied by a (now alleged to be a thief and a liar) Law Enforcement Agent.

Do you not think that there may be even a tiny question as to its value as evidence?

Nobody was talking about killing anyone until the DEA arrived on the scene. remember, officers found 650 rounds of ammo and 4 handguns in his home (the DEA guy, not Ross!!)when he was arrested.
As for the theft that sparked off the alleged 'hit' talk - It looks like that was stolen by our friendly inside DEA guy.

Dude, you couldn't make this shit up.

Edit:  Damn! I really need to learn to either think or type quicker...  

[AGD]

The journal and the chat logs were not "generated and supplied" by the two officers and the decision to "kill" instead of "beating up" was Ross' very own idea. Just having the opportunity to pay a hitman was enough for him to actually do this. Not a hero at all to me...

[ThunderCatSteve]

Awesome. Just Pure F-ckin awesome...

[bigasic]

The murder for hire charges are still on in Baltimore, the prosecutor said that they are looking into what they are going to do, but they certainly haven't been dropped as of yet (if ever)

After reading the newly released docs, It was Russ decision to kill Curtis green, but was convinced to do so by cimon, dprs confidant.  At first, DPR just wanted the money returned and then beat CG up if he didn't comply. then cimon (think thats his name)told him be better do so, with the egging on of inigo (mr. jones) Green is lucky that DPR turned to NOB for the hit, Cimon (variety jones) really wanted to do it. he also wanted to follow nob to make sure the hit was taken out. Green is VERY lucky.. what strikes me funny is that when dpr said "give your guys this note to him (with the btc address and instuctions) Carl really didnt want to do that, he said his gus didnt know anything about computers, well, Carl or nob is the one that had the stolen bitcoins, so he didnt want to give them up..

This whole story is so damned intriguing...

I personally believe the Russ should still face the murder for hire, but with all the evidence. now if NOB told him to have him killed, or whatever, then it would be different..

[Totaldice]

The worst part is the defense couldn't use some of the evidence they had about the two corrupt agents. The government used the grand jury investigation of force to deprive the jury from receiving facts about the corrupt nature of the Government’s investigation, which deprived Ross of a fair trial.

[AGD]

The murder for hire charges are still on in Baltimore, the prosecutor said that they are looking into what they are going to do, but they certainly haven't been dropped as of yet (if ever)

After reading the newly released docs, It was Russ decision to kill Curtis green, but was convinced to do so by cimon, dprs confidant.  At first, DPR just wanted the money returned and then beat CG up if he didn't comply. then cimon (think thats his name)told him be better do so, with the egging on of inigo (mr. jones) Green is lucky that DPR turned to NOB for the hit, Cimon (variety jones) really wanted to do it. he also wanted to follow nob to make sure the hit was taken out. Green is VERY lucky.. what strikes me funny is that when dpr said "give your guys this note to him (with the btc address and instuctions) Carl really didnt want to do that, he said his gus didnt know anything about computers, well, Carl or nob is the one that had the stolen bitcoins, so he didnt want to give them up..

This whole story is so damned intriguing...

I personally believe the Russ should still face the murder for hire, but with all the evidence. now if NOB told him to have him killed, or whatever, then it would be different..

Interesting aspect. Fitting very much into my Variety Jones topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
I find this character the most interesting in this SR story.

[L]

The guy was so lame it hurts, there's all kinds of anonymous ways of doing that and he used Bitstamp for selling the coins?!

He was asking for getting caught!

[AGD]

He is no computer expert. That was Shaun Bridges' part. Remember when Force (Nob) asked DPR what a "support" is?

[Mikestang]

He is no computer expert. That was Shaun Bridges' part. Remember when Force (Nob) asked DPR what a "support" is?

lol his name should be Noob instead of nob. He'll be polishing nobs in the slammer tho!

Naw, cops go to "cop jail" where the inmates won't k.o.s. a cop.

[asuryan180]

He is no computer expert. That was Shaun Bridges' part. Remember when Force (Nob) asked DPR what a "support" is?

lol his name should be Noob instead of nob. He'll be polishing nobs in the slammer tho!

Naw, cops go to "cop jail" where the inmates won't k.o.s. a cop.

No they don't they go to usual jail/prison but they usually go in with the snitch type of and get separated from the main for their own protection they also get sent to other states to limit the amount that may remember them from previous busts. Would be the worst feeling ever going to prison after putting so many in their over your life time. No doubt the guys if given maximum sentence will end it before they get going in there to long.

[The Bitcoin Co-op]

We thought Mark Karpeles was the biggest asshole ever, but I guess we forgot about the US DEA. The irony of them being caught money laundering due to the diligence of a Bitcoin exchange is just incredible.