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Author Topic: [250GH/s] BitClockers.com Merged/No Invalids/Pure PPS/DDoS-Resistant/Live Stats  (Read 71173 times)
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https not working when logging in or it's just me  Huh

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February 11, 2012, 01:27:25 AM
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https not working when logging in or it's just me  Huh

https://bitclockers.com/

Working here,

Make sure if you are behind a proxy that the settings allow HTTPS traffic as some web proxy/content filters block HTTPS traffic because traffic can't be monitored.

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https://bitclockers.com/

Working here,

Make sure if you are behind a proxy that the settings allow HTTPS traffic as some web proxy/content filters block HTTPS traffic because traffic can't be monitored.

working now, thanks

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Pool Update:

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Pool Update:

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Pool Update:

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And it's all fake. Why bother putting up stats when they have only a tenuous relation to reality?

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February 20, 2012, 08:22:57 PM
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Yes, Bitclockers have some explaining to do.

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February 20, 2012, 10:39:06 PM
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Pool Update:

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And it's all fake. Why bother putting up stats when they have only a tenuous relation to reality?

Excuse me sir, i can see that you are a strong advocate of pool hopping. Bitclockers.com does not support pool hopping and there are several technologies in place to protect honest users.

Bitclockers delays share count statistics just like deepbit and other major pools.

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Bitclockers.com does not support pool hopping and there are several technologies in place to protect honest users.

Bitclockers delays share count statistics just like deepbit and other major pools.


V2, I've bantered around with you on IRC and you seem to be a decent and forthcoming guy.  Don't you believe it would have been more honest and respectable to indicate to your users that "Bitclockers.com does not support pool hopping and there are several technologies in place to protect honest users" from the start, instead of quite underhandedly faking stats, blocks, etc. to implement said "technology to protect honest users"?  Deepbit and other major pools spell out their anti-hopping measures and if your true intentions were to protect your 24/7 miners there are several proven technologies and payout methods that are hopper proof.  Instead, you guys took the low road, and did who knows what with payouts and blocks.

I know what the intentions were, but what's to prove you weren't cheating your 24/7 miners as well?

I have come to the conclusion that any pool that does not provide a blockexplorer link to each and every block found by the pool is most likely doing something underhanded.

I would seriously recommend anyone who is serious about mining to not mine on any pool where the pool does not provide said blockexplorer links.

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February 21, 2012, 01:14:18 AM
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ok, so...
Pool hopping proportional pools is simple. It's when there are known or unknown anti-hopping protections that you'll earned less than the expected value of a share.

Even then, at least with all of the hop resistant rather than hop proof scoring systems, as long as you're there at the start you'll earn more than PPS payout. I haven't come across a proportional modification that prevented that entirely.

The difficulty in pool hopping is optimising. This means finding the correct %D to leave the pool for a particular payout method, making sure your software doesn't cause too many stales or miss round starts, having a system that allows the software to compare the expected value of a share at a particular pool at a particular %D, and probably lots more.

As far as manipulating hoppers to increase hashrate, I'd guess that is why they've used their score method the way they have - without actually owning up. That way they keep their hopper boost but lose less coinage from fulltime miners to the pool hoppers.

Really, it's quite a nice idea - a score system that doesn't need to keep track of anything other than users shares. But Slush's score system still does better because the expected value of a share at the end of a long round is still near 1.0. whereas at Bitclockers.com the expected value of a share drops more rapidly even than a proportional pool. And of course, any of the DGM solutions (I include PPLNS in that) beats the Bitclockers.com system hands down since they're not only provably hopper proof, they're can also be modified - to reduce miners variance for example. And you don't have to lie about your stats.

I made a very conservative estimate of how much they've underpaid pool hoppers over the last 200 rounds, and that's about 2000btc.



welp...there goes my hopping pool.



....wait, no, doesn't matter anyways. i still get pretty decent chunk from them, even though it's off by ~30% at times.


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February 21, 2012, 01:28:22 AM
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Pool Update:
Statistics page updated, now contain more stuffs!
And it's all fake. Why bother putting up stats when they have only a tenuous relation to reality?

Excuse me sir, i can see that you are a strong advocate of pool hopping. Bitclockers.com does not support pool hopping and there are several technologies in place to protect honest users.

Bitclockers delays share count statistics just like deepbit and other major pools.

Firstly, I am not a 'strong advocate of pool hopping'. I do not care if people pool hop or not. I do however provide pool hoppers with information they need to hop pools that are too lazy to implement hopper proof technologies, mostly because the analyses are fun.

Secondly, I didn't mention delaying stats, I said you're faking your stats. Since abracadabra has spoken for you I'm going to assume that you're not being deliberately obtuse and just that you haven't read the following yet:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47411.msg757368#msg757368
http://hoppersden.info/entries/28-How-to-hop-10-Bitclockers.com-amp-spurious-round-lengths-part-1
http://hoppersden.info/entries/29-How-to-hop-11-Bitclockers.com-amp-spurious-round-lengths-part-2
http://hoppersden.info/entries/30-How-to-hop-12-Bitclockers.com-amp-spurious-round-lengths-part-3

You've been outed as faking your stats, round length in particular,  and I know for certain you're underpaying miners on short rounds. It's also possible you're underpaying your miners generally, but I haven't finished the analysis yet.

How do you respond?






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February 21, 2012, 02:46:21 AM
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I'll just leave these here.

The bitclockers info is from the bitclockers json page.

You can draw whatever conclusions you wish from the graphs.

The cyclic swing shown on in the early portion of the block is interesting to note.
I surmise that the slope of the true share count slope is approximated by the green lines I have drawn in the 2nd graph.



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Oh.. one more thing..

at about 250GH it's about 3 hours to hit 43.5
bitclockers at the start of a block would regularly hit 750GH+

looking at the graph, the "anti-hopper technology" looks like it was hiding some shares from the entire pool (all miners, not just hoppers) for the first 4 to 4.5 hours.
at 750GH, 43.5 would be hit in about an hour or so.

slope lines are about right.. maybe a bit on the steep side...

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It's possible you're seeing artefacts from having to either generate or transform round lengths. Until we find out more from them, I doubt we'll know for sure. I hope they do tell us more about what they're doing soon, since one of the methods they have used to generate the published round lengths would mean that all miners - even fulltime miners - are being underpaid by about 24%.



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uhhhhh...


someone suddenly changed their stats page, i can no longer see date & time on my block/round stats.

i'm pretty sure the difference is around 20-30%. i remember when i boosted my worker like a moron with gpumax, i only made ~0.5, where on bclc, got around 0.8-0.9 a round.


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I have come to the conclusion that any pool that does not provide a blockexplorer link to each and every block found by the pool is most likely doing something underhanded.

I would even go a step further and say pools not being transperent with their miners, has something to hide. Still can't even get past the fact that slush's pool  does not even offer its miners stats on how many shares per block they mined.

I mean seriously why not just call yourself Hushpool
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Jagersfontein


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February 22, 2012, 01:56:40 AM
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Anyone else having problems logging in with firefox? Works fine for me on chrome but on firefox every time I hit "sign in" the page just acts like you hit refresh?

Fire Fox login to dashboard working here, try clearing your cookies and browser cache.

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