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February 22, 2012, 03:35:03 AM
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WOW!

Count me as scammed. This is a surprising development. I would ask pool ops to please be forthcoming about how their "protections" have affected all of our earnings. Perhaps they can enlist organofcorti if they need help with math.

Thanks to all who endeavor to keep us informed!
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February 22, 2012, 04:07:00 AM
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proves you cant trust even established pools and btc businesses, you got to do the research or leave yourself open to getting screwed.

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February 22, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
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WOW!

Count me as scammed. This is a surprising development. I would ask pool ops to please be forthcoming about how their "protections" have affected all of our earnings. Perhaps they can enlist organofcorti if they need help with math.

Thanks to all who endeavor to keep us informed!

BitClockers does not support Pool Hopping


BitClockers Discussion: http://bitclockers.com/forums/index.php?topic=484.0

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Bitclockers uses available methods to reduce the negative effects of pool hopping on non hoppers.

We delay live share statistics to entice hoppers to mine longer. .
  • Countermeasures only effect hoppers.
  • Countermeasures May keep poorly configured hopping clients from hopping earlier
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February 22, 2012, 04:12:53 AM
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WOW!

Count me as scammed. This is a surprising development. I would ask pool ops to please be forthcoming about how their "protections" have affected all of our earnings. Perhaps they can enlist organofcorti if they need help with math.

Thanks to all who endeavor to keep us informed!

BitClockers does not support Pool Hopping


BitClockers Discussion: http://bitclockers.com/forums/index.php?topic=474.0

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Bitclockers uses available methods to reduce the negative effects of pool hopping on non hoppers.

We delay live share statistics to entice hoppers to mine longer. .
  • Countermeasures only effect hoppers.
  • Countermeasures May keep poorly configured hopping clients from hopping earlier
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But what about ?

Both easy and fair, we offer proportional payment.  payout = user_shares / total_block_shares * 49.5
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February 22, 2012, 05:00:41 AM
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If you think its OK to hop pools, than its OK for the pool to hop hoppers.

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February 22, 2012, 05:14:00 AM
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If you think its OK to hop pools, than its OK for the pool to hop hoppers.



Backburn,

The difference is that it's pretty obvious when hoppers are hopping a pool.  But in this case, it was not readily obvious that the pool was not straightforward with the stats (or as you say, "the pool hopping hoppers").  You guys pretty much set a trap and enticed hoppers to join and hop the pool.  The more ethical way to handle the situation, at least in my humble opinion, would have been to say, "We don't want hoppers and we are delaying/faking/altering stats to prevent/distract/circumvent hopping software from hopping us"


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February 22, 2012, 05:25:53 AM
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Hoppers aside, sounds like they fucked up (or perhaps it was intentional) and have been messing with "normal" miners payouts as well.   

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February 22, 2012, 05:58:05 AM
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regular miners too.

i'm telling you, full-time miners here & other prop pool will have different output, with the same hashing power.  Grin

if not, why are they suddenly removed time & date on the stats, once organofcorti gives the calculation?


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February 22, 2012, 06:45:42 AM
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BitClockers does not support Pool Hopping


BitClockers Discussion: http://bitclockers.com/forums/index.php?topic=474.0

You refer to a thread on your forum posted 2 weeks ago... What say you as to the time leading up to that thread?

If you do not support pool hopping, please consider a hop-proof method. Either you pay prop or you don't. It's real simple.
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February 22, 2012, 07:06:07 AM
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You've been outed as faking your stats, round length in particular,  and I know for certain you're underpaying miners on short rounds. It's also possible you're underpaying your miners generally, but I haven't finished the analysis yet.

How do you respond?

BitClockers does not support Pool Hopping

BitClockers Discussion: http://bitclockers.com/forums/index.php?topic=484.0

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Bitclockers uses available methods to reduce the negative effects of pool hopping on non hoppers.

We delay live share statistics to entice hoppers to mine longer. .
  • Countermeasures only effect hoppers.
  • Countermeasures May keep poorly configured hopping clients from hopping earlier
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Your link goes on to mention:
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Payouts remain Proportional

Alternative payout methods have been in discussion and hopping countermeasures have been implemented for the mean time.

Miners are encouraged to vote on their preferred rewards system, all suggestions welcome.

So you still haven't explained why your round stats are abnormal. So let me put it to your miners:

Guys, ever noticed that you don't get tiny short rounds here? on other pools you see them. Here, the smallest length round you've seen in over 300 rounds is 0.3*D. This is so unlikely that I can't really explain just how unlikely it is. Even less likely than Bitclockers coming clean. About 26% of your blocks should be less than 0.3*D.

The worst interpretation is that they've been keeping a bunch of blocks for themselves. For example, if the pool operators kept all blocks under 10^-4*D they'd have made an extra 100btc for themselves and you'd have no idea.

I'd stop mining here if I were you.


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February 22, 2012, 07:09:52 AM
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If you think its OK to hop pools, than its OK for the pool to hop hoppers.

Way to say nothing and deny nothing, backburn. I'm honestly starting to think you guys deserve the scammer tag.

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February 22, 2012, 01:00:53 PM
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why are they suddenly removed time & date on the stats, once organofcorti gives the calculation?

would also hender those pay attention from seeing if a normal trend reappears now that the information is out there.

EDIT: looks like all values can be seen again on the block history stats page
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February 23, 2012, 10:39:43 PM
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You guys pulled a classic "bait and switch" on your miners.  

So, for your full time miners, how will your hopping proof technology provide 98% of avg prop returns for them?  Or where do they get the rewards from the hoppers?

So, with faking stats you're not a pool! classic prop pools faking? part time or full time miners are being robbed by the Pools themselves.   Hopping pool hoppers by a pool op?   stealing is stealing, right?  You are picking who to take from and not a bit transparent about it.

Also, if you look at http://blockchain.info/blocks/Bitclockers

You'll see that they #^@'in everybody up in here!  Full time miners check your rewards against that and your butt will hurt!
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February 23, 2012, 11:02:07 PM
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for block 518(167960) the detail on your site show 0.10009215 for reward, I received 0.10009219
for block 519(167971) the detail on your site show 0.28968898 for reward, I received 0.28968901
for block 520(167987) the detail on your site show 0.23205136 for reward, I received 0.2320514
for block 521(168018) the detail on your site show 0.25102353 for reward, I received 0.18212637
for block 522(168157) the detail on your site show 0.07987705 for reward, I received 0.05876929

WTF?Huh  Stealing on block 521 and 522???

Has the payout method changed?  or are you now scamming users too?
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February 25, 2012, 09:45:58 PM
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Nothing but a scamming pool. This needs the Scammer tag today

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February 26, 2012, 02:18:17 AM
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All account payouts received are correct. Aesthetic values of detailed per worker reward calculations were displaying incorrectly.

as of 25/2/2012 the per worker rewards calculator has been updated to reflect payout values.

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Payouts received are correct. detailed reward calculations were displaying incorrect values.

as of 25/2/2012 the detailed rewards calculator has been updated to reflect correct values.

No, it hasn't. Until you start showing your pool's real stats nothing you post about rewards will be accurate.

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Payouts received are correct. detailed reward calculations were displaying incorrect values.

as of 25/2/2012 the detailed rewards calculator has been updated to reflect correct values.
oh yeah, after you took out timestamps, got caught, and changed the "calculator", now it's updated?

imagine if organofcorti didn't caught you.


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February 26, 2012, 09:12:23 AM
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when can we expect our stolen money back? no one wants to go down the scammer path:(

Bitclockers does its best to protect its users, to protect the pool from hoppers bitclockers uses anti hopper protections to mitigate the hoppers bonuses over other miners in the pool

With the Hopping bonus mitigated Hoppers are paid 100% for the shares they mined. NON-Hoppers are not effected and payouts remain 100% of shares mined.

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February 26, 2012, 09:29:02 AM
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when can we expect our stolen money back? no one wants to go down the scammer path:(

Bitclockers does its best to protect its users, to protect the pool from hoppers bitclockers uses anti hopper protections to mitigate the hoppers bonuses over other miners in the pool

With the Hopping bonus mitigated Hoppers are paid 100% for the shares they mined. NON-Hoppers are not effected and payouts remain 100% of shares mined.

Since you're OK with double posting, let me return the favour:
Bitclockers does its best to protect its users, to protect the pool from hoppers bitclockers uses anti hopper protections to mitigate the hoppers bonuses over other miners in the pool

With the Hopping bonus mitigated Hoppers are paid 100% for the shares they mined. NON-Hoppers are not effected and payouts remain 100% of shares mined.

I'm not interested in your hopper protection - focused explanations. All I ever wanted to know from the start is why (until today edit: and since round 179) you never had a block under 0.3*D. Did you keep some for your self? No. Then if you've been respecting block boundaries you've been underpaying.

I proved without a doubt that you've been misreporting block lengths, which means  you've probably been stealing from your fulltime miners.

How about you publish the actual block lengths from rounds 179 to 504? If you can't do that you should get the scammer label.


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