BFL fucked us over again (redux)

[Unacceptable]

What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread 

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose 

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising 

[unsoindovo]

Continuing where we left off at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg11069878#msg11069878

hi lleroy
i have read about bfl problem since 2012...
the thread posted from you, was started on 09 March 2013, 04:37:13.

...and there were problems even before.

so... i do not know if BFL is scam..
i have never buy at BFL...
but for sure... i will never check it

[PuertoLibre]

rik, it's best to do it yourself instead of complaining. I mean, seriously...

The complaining isn't for me really. I've got pacer access so I get clean versions of all the legal stuff. It's the other stuff that I wish was more user friendly.

Perhaps I'll just compile bruno's post and take out the colorful banter. Would take some time to work through the backlog but there is good information. It would just be easier if an editor resided somewhere between his brain and his fingers.

I think that would work really well but there should be room for retaining the speculative pieces of information. It could easily be hosted in a static HTML document, and having it hosted somewhere wouldn't be hard. I would advise some kind of collaboration, because Bruno knows where all of his posts are and what info they hold. Something to think about.

You might want to use a Google word document. You can collaborate online and restrict editing privledges to certain individuals. Everyone else could only read it. I have seen people use it for independent korean news. It works effectively from what I can remember.

[PuertoLibre]

I would also avoid using labels like "facts" as BFL would contest any facts with their own made up "bullshit". And by bullshit, I mean whatever it is they legitimately believe to be based on truth.

(in theory, or in a hypothesis, in otherwords I am not entirely sure if that is the case or not, purely speculation,  )

[PuertoLibre]

On the topic of Bruno, it would be interesting if he fainted in court and has to request medical intervention. Hopefully screwing the date of the appearance by a few months and a few expensive lawyer payments between then and later.

Whoa, I think I dozed off a bit there while writing on my keyboard.

Edit: Hmm, interesting delirious episode I had. It brings up an interesting point. Will there be a well funded BFL with cash to spend between now and June? Who knows?

Edit2: I suppose that whole receivership payment stalemate will probably turn side ways by the end of April at the longest. You know, recieverships do not like to work for free and get upset when they don't get their bonanza payments on time. Hopefully, they are retaining enough refunds to pull them through to see the end of the FTC case. One can only hope for the best.

[sbogovac]

What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose  

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising  

Hear, hear!!!

I find it totally Unacceptable too...

PS: and also put this "up for [META] discussion" (again!) at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914998.0

[VenusFlyTrap]

What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose  

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising  

It is a known fact now that some of them are reading our pm's and conducting searches on terms like BFL...  What are they trying to find out and to whom are they reporting to? Can you search pm's without a warrant? Maybe they should be asked about it.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That was originally a Josh post ripping on Bruno that I edited for absurd purposes.

I know, bud. But it wasn't entirely off the mark either.

[-ck]

What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  

You mean like this?

Just wanted to let you guys know that a mod was kind enough to let me know that I was in trollin' territory and that I should chill, in which I thanked him for givin' me the heads up.

And mods don't ban, admins do, all we need to do is point admins at behaviour and let them decide. Please don't insinuate I'm trying to protect bfl in any fucking way. I left the thread in hardware for much longer than it deserved to be there because it had started before I became a mod and people were looking for that thread there even though it didn't belong, in the hope it was somehow useful. A few times I posted on that thread to try and get people back onto meaningful discourse but it kept getting derailed. I didn't delete any of the last few posts as it was an unsalvageable mess. Take a look at it for yourself and try and convince yourself it was in any way a mining hardware thread.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

LOL. Awesome, bruh. Keep us updated!

[Xian01]

Docket updated.

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.291.0.pdf
http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.291.1.pdf

[PuertoLibre]

And mods don't ban, admins do, all we need to do is point admins at behaviour and let them decide.

I am unsure if that is true or not. I do recall Psychotic Boy banned a member. I don't recall any Admin being involved in that episode. He wasn't even the Mod of that board that he used his moderators powers over.

Please don't insinuate I'm trying to protect bfl in any fucking way.

I do sense your inner clown (that is a good thing) so I know you are a good mod.

Take a look at it for yourself and try and convince yourself it was in any way a mining hardware thread.

One last question, Inaba and BFL_Josh have deprived individuals of millions in their delayed refunds. Documented fact. (non-disputable)

Question: Has anything been done against either of these two accounts: BFL_Josh and Inaba?
Have they been suspended? Banned? Anything?

You have people committing far lessor offenses against Bitcointalk and it's population and somehow they result in a Ban very quickly. What the deal with this?

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Another fact, these incidents with BFL and their refund (or their reasonable fulfillment issues) have happened no less than 3 times with the same events repeating themselves year after year. Still, they somehow continue as if the Admins above are completely blind to the obvious facts of how these people impact Bitcoin or it's Bitcointalk members.

If BFL were to open a new exciting thread in the hardware section to announce the sale of some new hardware with the same premise (pre-order, OR a request for customer funds with a wait time greater than 7 days before 100% fulfillment); would the Admins and Mods allow this to happen for the 4th or 5th time AGAIN?

Only serious question with serious responses PLEASE.

[PuertoLibre]

Nice, so the posts are just memes now. That's actually funny when you can't sort memes from information... reading too much /b/ maybe?Roll Eyes

Edit: Keliticfox, how did your saucy exploit go? Did BFL respond?

Yes, BFL did respond.

They rescinded their previous statement in which they offered a refund (when I sent them photos of the damage). They then stated that I could have a refund if I shipped device back and it had been tested to 'eliminate user error'. As per my (very clear) instructions to BFL, I did go ahead and contact the various 3 letter agencies that I said I would.

Agency A: Advised to not send the Monarch back as they are very interested in testing it themselves.
Agency B: Very interested and has now referred the case to another agency who's the equivalent of the FTC in the UK.
Agency C: Responded within 6 minutes(!) that they want to talk to me via telephone (from the USA) this week. Agency C is the agency that BFL really do not want involved.
Agency D: Referred me back to Agency B.

Now the agencies involved are; the CAB, the HSE, the FTC, the EC & the TSA. Can you guess which agency is which?

Thank you KelticFox, if only we had more members like you.

Sometimes it feels like you have to push people to do something this beneficial to their own good.

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
http://www.hse.gov.uk/
http://www.ftc.gov
http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm
http://www.tsa.gov/

[PuertoLibre]

Edited for brevity, originals available upon request.

[Syke]

What a shame. This was the only thread that was somewhat interesting in the Hardware forum. Nothing is going on in the hardware space atm.

[sbogovac]

Now the agencies involved are; the CAB, the HSE, the FTC, the EC & the TSA. Can you guess which agency is which?

Thank you KelticFox, if only we had more members like you.

Sometimes it feels like you have to push people to do something this beneficial to their own good.

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
http://www.hse.gov.uk/
http://www.ftc.gov
http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm
http://www.tsa.gov/

Sorry, messed up my acronyms;

CAB: Citizens Advice Bureau
HSE: Health & Safety Executive
FTC: Federal Trade Commission
EC: European Commission
TSI: Trading Standards Institute

Might as well throw in the TSA: Transportation Security Administration too...

Next to the FTC, FBI, DoJ, AG, IRS, USPS and what not, it makes for a nice little Alphabet soup... 

[mrhelpful]

3 pages deep, its already out of hand. 

But yeah, I tried to stay with that thread, but has anyone gotten to know if after the ceizing of their offices plus being courts finally.

Anyone gotten the update if hes going to serve time? or something.

[Xian01]

3 pages deep, its already out of hand. 
But yeah, I tried to stay with that thread, but has anyone gotten to know if after the ceizing of their offices plus being courts finally.
Anyone gotten the update if hes going to serve time? or something.

As per docket entry 251, the trial has been moved to start on November 16th, 2015, 9am, Courtroom 7D, in Kansas City before District Judge Brian C. Wimes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg10315710#msg10315710

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

... is probably the best place to follow the FTC case.

[Bicknellski]

3 pages deep, its already out of hand. 
But yeah, I tried to stay with that thread, but has anyone gotten to know if after the ceizing of their offices plus being courts finally.
Anyone gotten the update if hes going to serve time? or something.

As per docket entry 251, the trial has been moved to start on November 16th, 2015, 9am, Courtroom 7D, in Kansas City before District Judge Brian C. Wimes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg10315710#msg10315710

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

... is probably the best place to follow the FTC case.

Need a SELF-Moderated version... to keep the crap out.

[DaBitcoinGuy]

3 pages deep, its already out of hand.  
But yeah, I tried to stay with that thread, but has anyone gotten to know if after the ceizing of their offices plus being courts finally.
Anyone gotten the update if hes going to serve time? or something.

As per docket entry 251, the trial has been moved to start on November 16th, 2015, 9am, Courtroom 7D, in Kansas City before District Judge Brian C. Wimes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg10315710#msg10315710

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

... is probably the best place to follow the FTC case.

Need a SELF-Moderated version... to keep the crap out.

Agreed. We have links to the court dockets, we do not need to be force fed them with mile long pictures.