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December 08, 2015, 01:01:09 AM
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Because i see the woods, not the trees!
Damn, this guy clearly needs a bifocal prescription to see the woods AND the trees.

I bet he's real fun at parties.
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December 08, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
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Because i see the woods, not the trees!
Damn, this guy clearly needs a bifocal prescription to see the woods AND the trees.

I bet he's real fun at parties.

Can we at least take some middle ground on his demeanor and talk about guns and religion  Grin

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December 10, 2015, 02:27:06 AM
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Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

You can get on Reddit from anywhere in the world. I mean live in person in the United States. I go to a lot of conferences and used to see them all the time. I haven't seen them in over a year, since they did a no-show at the Vegas conference with Patrick Byrne. One of the Vegas conferences was where I met Bruno wearing a tutu. lol

Same conference, I met a bald headed fuck that reek of corned beef hash.  Tongue Tongue Tongue
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December 10, 2015, 02:22:07 PM
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Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

You can get on Reddit from anywhere in the world. I mean live in person in the United States. I go to a lot of conferences and used to see them all the time. I haven't seen them in over a year, since they did a no-show at the Vegas conference with Patrick Byrne. One of the Vegas conferences was where I met Bruno wearing a tutu. lol

Same conference, I met a bald headed fuck that reek of corned beef hash.  Tongue Tongue Tongue


Hum, I wonder who that sexy hunk of man was? lol

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January 14, 2016, 02:29:47 AM
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Thanks Xian,

In the papers from BFL vs Kansas you can see just how little "shit" we were all full of. They repeated the same terms that we had endlessly talked about on this forum.

See, official documents making fools out of BFL...and forcing them into agreeing to terms of a reputable business.

I am sure there are others climbing out of the woodwork to do the "trolling" for us.


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February 18, 2016, 07:07:54 PM
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/butterfly-labs-bitcoin-asics-miners-ftc-settlement-scam

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February 19, 2016, 12:24:19 AM
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Against Butterfly Labs and Vleisides, the judgment is $38,615,161, which will be suspended upon Butterfly Labs’ payment of $15,000, and Vleisides’ payment of $4,000. Against Drake, the judgment is $135,878, which will be suspended once she surrenders the cash value of all Bitcoins she obtained using company machines.

If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.
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I like the original FTC source more: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/02/operators-bitcoin-mining-operation-butterfly-labs-agree-settle

Although there is nothing in the court's case docket (yet, Chris?): http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

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February 19, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
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[...]If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.

Yes, this is "only" the FTC settlement (which - once compared to the "official" revenues of BFL - is quite severe)...

But that does not mean there will be no criminal charges and/or (both personal and/or corporate) tax/IRS follow-up...  Grin

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February 19, 2016, 11:41:14 AM
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[...]If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.

Yes, this is "only" the FTC settlement (which - once compared to the "official" revenues of BFL - is quite severe)...

But that does not mean there will be no criminal charges and/or (both personal and/or corporate) tax/IRS follow-up...  Grin


the FTC action I'm afraid will show that they 'are' protected by the corporation ..thus the corporation as a whole was to blame and they can walk.

The whole purpose of a corp for your biz. Hope I am incorrect but how many judgments have you seen with corps/banks in the USA in the last few

years where anyone involved went to jail?

Nope ...at this point in time ...with the info at hand....they got away with it all and their  hidden btc stashes....I"ve no doubt (it is who they are) ;(

Again would like to be convinced otherwise


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[...]the FTC action I'm afraid will show that they 'are' protected by the corporation ..thus the corporation as a whole was to blame and they can walk. The whole purpose of a corp for your biz. Hope I am incorrect but how many judgments have you seen with corps/banks in the USA in the last few years where anyone involved went to jail? [...]

Well I would argue there's a whole other purpose for incorporating a business, but OK... Here in the Netherlands at least the last couple of years the tendency/standard has been to put the executives on personal liability and disregarding any incorporation the second even a whim of foul play is suspected (let alone the stench coming from this cesspool)... Just yesterday a huge settlement (almost 800M. US$) was announced: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vimpelcom-pay-795-million-resolve-092215628.html and a principal player has been placed under "house arrest" pending the further investigation and probable criminal charges: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26713383

[...] at this point in time ...with the info at hand....they got away with it all and their  hidden btc stashes....I"ve no doubt (it is who they are) ;( Again would like to be convinced otherwise

You're being over-pessimistic in my view; for starters the settlement (can we say "punishment") can be considered "severe" when we take the legal revenue of BFL into account, second the settlement is already a prelude for this, explicitly stating: "Against Drake, the judgment is $135,878, which will be suspended once she surrenders the cash value of all Bitcoins she obtained using company machines" (and I personally am counting - based on "past actions" that not "all Bitcoins"...), so further more the road is still (way) open for further, both criminal and fiscal, action against both corp. as well as principals...

The fat lady (IMHO) has not sung jet, but boy does she move slooooow...

EDIT: not to mention that this settlement does not exclude (and can therefore be used in) the class-action-lawsuit still pending... I just remembered...

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Against Butterfly Labs and Vleisides, the judgment is $38,615,161, which will be suspended upon Butterfly Labs’ payment of $15,000, and Vleisides’ payment of $4,000. Against Drake, the judgment is $135,878, which will be suspended once she surrenders the cash value of all Bitcoins she obtained using company machines.

If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.

if you cant prove a civil case you have no hope of proving a criminal case. the ftc obviously was not confident they could prove a civil case so decided to settle instead of pressing on with only a a 'possibility' of winning and obvioulsy they didnt think the possibility too high or they wouldnt have settled they are the governement afterall they have unlimited resources to throw at it. in the end we are left with nothing and the ftc case drained any hope of getting any money or hardware out of bfl. ummm yay?
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Against Butterfly Labs and Vleisides, the judgment is $38,615,161, which will be suspended upon Butterfly Labs’ payment of $15,000, and Vleisides’ payment of $4,000. Against Drake, the judgment is $135,878, which will be suspended once she surrenders the cash value of all Bitcoins she obtained using company machines.

If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.

if you cant prove a civil case you have no hope of proving a criminal case. the ftc obviously was not confident they could prove a civil case so decided to settle instead of pressing on with only a a 'possibility' of winning and obvioulsy they didnt think the possibility too high or they wouldnt have settled they are the governement afterall they have unlimited resources to throw at it. in the end we are left with nothing and the ftc case drained any hope of getting any money or hardware out of bfl. ummm yay?


Unless Judgment is used incorrectly then there has been a win. The civil case ususally ends with a judgment. Now over 38.5 million in a judgment against them isn't a small amount. Sure the 19K that nearly 25% comes from Vleisides' isn't a total loss. With Drake it seems like they are doing something. I'm not saying its a huge win. I am saying that If people are not throwing judgment around the FTC is playing "Lets Make A Deal" and going for some personal money along with a pittance from the corporate coffers. Maybe it keeps some money for refunds. Maybe if the judgment gets paid the refunds come from that. I wouldn't bet on it but maybe.

Now They may have a better criminal case then a civil case. As near as I can see they have some written mis-use of corporate funds, embezzlement, misreporting income, and also I would bet you could RICO some folks for the Interstate fraud. Maybe I am more cheerful about this case because of the word judgment as it doesn't indicate a hope but an order for those funds to be turned over. The thing is I do still expect based on what seized information we already have seen that there is a case to be made for more then a few criminal infractions. Maybe RICO is over the top. I'm not sure though. I think they have enough to prove a criminal conspiracy to defraud among the management. Heck its not legal to have board of directors members holding all the management positions. That would be what I was able to find. I wish I had a link to the information though. I have a great deal of confidence in the criminal aspects of this case.

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Anyone heard updates about the Woodlaw class action?

I read somewhere on Reddit that Wood Law firm dropped it because supposedly BFL had no money left (wink, wink) after the FTC finished with them. Since class action attorneys are the first to get paid out of any settlement they dropped the action. So Wood Law had no class and took no action. lol

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Against Butterfly Labs and Vleisides, the judgment is $38,615,161, which will be suspended upon Butterfly Labs’ payment of $15,000, and Vleisides’ payment of $4,000. Against Drake, the judgment is $135,878, which will be suspended once she surrenders the cash value of all Bitcoins she obtained using company machines.

If I understand this correctly they pay less $20.000 in this settlement? What are the odds of criminal charges against them? Because this looks like a joke to me so far.

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March 19, 2016, 03:46:08 PM
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Is bfl still a thing?
no one can be buying their shit still, can they?

I love the ACES dev for giving me my investment back Smiley
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March 19, 2016, 03:53:55 PM
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Is bfl still a thing?
no one can be buying their shit still, can they?

Yes, "they" can (it they're "institutional buyers": at their website...)!  Grin

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March 19, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
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Is bfl still a thing?
no one can be buying their shit still, can they?

Yes, "they" can (it they're "institutional buyers": at their website...)!  Grin

You forgot pawn shops and flea markets. Oh, and the used trash section of eBay.

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March 19, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
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Is bfl still a thing?
no one can be buying their shit still, can they?
Yes, "they" can (it they're "institutional buyers": at their website...)!  Grin
You forgot pawn shops and flea markets. Oh, and the used trash section of eBay.

Oh, oh, oh! Wait! You forgot the auctioning off of office furniture/equipment on Craigslist...  Grin

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