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[gene]

On the subject of complicity, I think this bears cross-posting:

Is this why you took part in pirate's ponzi scheme? Because you thought it would be fun? Did you "earn" any "interest" from it?

It was fun, and still is! I have several bets and other deals related to the final outcome, which I'm excited to see resolved (hopefully in my favor). Ponzi schemes are a much more fun way of gambling than Satoshi's Dice, that's for sure.

I did win some BTC, which is rightfully mine. Pirateat40 is guilty of lying about the rules of the game, but the players are innocent. If a casino rigs a game, you wouldn't blame those players who made a profit (even if they may have guessed that the game was rigged) -- you blame the casino.

I never promoted BS&T, and I posted several times that I thought it was a Ponzi.

You see, your honor, I am just the landlord of the crackhouse. Yes, I fully knew what went on there, but my property served only as a "platform."

If I was only worried about morality instead of legality, that's exactly what I'd say. Nothing wrong with a crackhouse as long as there's no violence. I don't advocate doing drugs (I personally don't consume alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or illegal drugs), but if people want to buy potentially dangerous drugs, that's their business.

This argument is equivalent to whether I should:
- Ban crackhouses entirely on my property. As a proponent of freedom, I would prefer not to do this.
- Determine which crackhouses may add poisons to drugs and ban them or put signs in front of them. This takes extra work and expertise that I'm not willing to deal with.
- Categorize the crackhouses based on how close to market levels their prices are, which may indicate the safety of the drugs sold there.

There's a lot to answer for around here. It is especially true for some "respected" members.

[Buckwheet]

I knew any money I invested could get taken away at any point in time. I will say however, that what finally made me decide to do it was Hashking opening up that pass through. I was already depositing with hashking prior and figured hey why not.

Its my fault my coins are gone. But a couple highly trusted people opening it up and making it easier to invest certainly swayed my decision.

[myrkul]

On the subject of complicity, I think this bears cross-posting:

Is this why you took part in pirate's ponzi scheme? Because you thought it would be fun? Did you "earn" any "interest" from it?

It was fun, and still is! I have several bets and other deals related to the final outcome, which I'm excited to see resolved (hopefully in my favor). Ponzi schemes are a much more fun way of gambling than Satoshi's Dice, that's for sure.

I did win some BTC, which is rightfully mine. Pirateat40 is guilty of lying about the rules of the game, but the players are innocent. If a casino rigs a game, you wouldn't blame those players who made a profit (even if they may have guessed that the game was rigged) -- you blame the casino.

I never promoted BS&T, and I posted several times that I thought it was a Ponzi.

You see, your honor, I am just the landlord of the crackhouse. Yes, I fully knew what went on there, but my property served only as a "platform."

If I was only worried about morality instead of legality, that's exactly what I'd say. Nothing wrong with a crackhouse as long as there's no violence. I don't advocate doing drugs (I personally don't consume alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or illegal drugs), but if people want to buy potentially dangerous drugs, that's their business.

This argument is equivalent to whether I should:
- Ban crackhouses entirely on my property. As a proponent of freedom, I would prefer not to do this.
- Determine which crackhouses may add poisons to drugs and ban them or put signs in front of them. This takes extra work and expertise that I'm not willing to deal with.
- Categorize the crackhouses based on how close to market levels their prices are, which may indicate the safety of the drugs sold there.

There's a lot to answer for around here. It is especially true for some "respected" members.

I see no problem with anything Theymos said there.

Again, Ponzis have been run before on this forum, openly. People then knew what the hell they were getting into and they all ended the same way. You guys are just pissed off because this time Pirate didn't tell you, and even though many others did, you ignored them and stuck your dick in a meatgrinder anyway. Don't get mad at Theymos or any of the PPT ops, because they told you where to find the meatgrinder.

[gene]

On the subject of complicity, I think this bears cross-posting:

Is this why you took part in pirate's ponzi scheme? Because you thought it would be fun? Did you "earn" any "interest" from it?

It was fun, and still is! I have several bets and other deals related to the final outcome, which I'm excited to see resolved (hopefully in my favor). Ponzi schemes are a much more fun way of gambling than Satoshi's Dice, that's for sure.

I did win some BTC, which is rightfully mine. Pirateat40 is guilty of lying about the rules of the game, but the players are innocent. If a casino rigs a game, you wouldn't blame those players who made a profit (even if they may have guessed that the game was rigged) -- you blame the casino.

I never promoted BS&T, and I posted several times that I thought it was a Ponzi.

You see, your honor, I am just the landlord of the crackhouse. Yes, I fully knew what went on there, but my property served only as a "platform."

If I was only worried about morality instead of legality, that's exactly what I'd say. Nothing wrong with a crackhouse as long as there's no violence. I don't advocate doing drugs (I personally don't consume alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or illegal drugs), but if people want to buy potentially dangerous drugs, that's their business.

This argument is equivalent to whether I should:
- Ban crackhouses entirely on my property. As a proponent of freedom, I would prefer not to do this.
- Determine which crackhouses may add poisons to drugs and ban them or put signs in front of them. This takes extra work and expertise that I'm not willing to deal with.
- Categorize the crackhouses based on how close to market levels their prices are, which may indicate the safety of the drugs sold there.

There's a lot to answer for around here. It is especially true for some "respected" members.

I see no problem with anything Theymos said there.

Again, Ponzis have been run before on this forum, openly. People then knew what the hell they were getting into and they all ended the same way. You guys are just pissed off because this time Pirate didn't tell you, and even though many others did, you ignored them and stuck your dick in a meatgrinder anyway. Don't get mad at Theymos or any of the PPT ops, because they told you where to find the meatgrinder.

Christ...

Read what he wrote. He admits to profiting from what he knew was a deceptively presented ponzi scheme. And he's rather proud of himself.

If you bother reading some of my posts, you'll see that I was one of several others who recognized pirate's scam and the pass-throughs for what they obviously were. By way of his knowledge and high-profile here, theymos is more responsible than most, aside from pirate himself and the more obvious shills and enablers.

[fcmatt]

On the subject of complicity, I think this bears cross-posting:

Is this why you took part in pirate's ponzi scheme? Because you thought it would be fun? Did you "earn" any "interest" from it?

It was fun, and still is! I have several bets and other deals related to the final outcome, which I'm excited to see resolved (hopefully in my favor). Ponzi schemes are a much more fun way of gambling than Satoshi's Dice, that's for sure.

I did win some BTC, which is rightfully mine. Pirateat40 is guilty of lying about the rules of the game, but the players are innocent. If a casino rigs a game, you wouldn't blame those players who made a profit (even if they may have guessed that the game was rigged) -- you blame the casino.

I never promoted BS&T, and I posted several times that I thought it was a Ponzi.

You see, your honor, I am just the landlord of the crackhouse. Yes, I fully knew what went on there, but my property served only as a "platform."

If I was only worried about morality instead of legality, that's exactly what I'd say. Nothing wrong with a crackhouse as long as there's no violence. I don't advocate doing drugs (I personally don't consume alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or illegal drugs), but if people want to buy potentially dangerous drugs, that's their business.

This argument is equivalent to whether I should:
- Ban crackhouses entirely on my property. As a proponent of freedom, I would prefer not to do this.
- Determine which crackhouses may add poisons to drugs and ban them or put signs in front of them. This takes extra work and expertise that I'm not willing to deal with.
- Categorize the crackhouses based on how close to market levels their prices are, which may indicate the safety of the drugs sold there.

There's a lot to answer for around here. It is especially true for some "respected" members.

I see no problem with anything Theymos said there.

Again, Ponzis have been run before on this forum, openly. People then knew what the hell they were getting into and they all ended the same way. You guys are just pissed off because this time Pirate didn't tell you, and even though many others did, you ignored them and stuck your dick in a meatgrinder anyway. Don't get mad at Theymos or any of the PPT ops, because they told you where to find the meatgrinder.

Christ...

Read what he wrote. He admits to profiting from what he knew was a deceptively presented ponzi scheme. And he's rather proud of himself.

If you bother reading some of my posts, you'll see that I was one of several others who recognized pirate's scam and the pass-throughs for what they obviously were. By way of his knowledge and high-profile here, theymos is more responsible than most, aside from pirate himself and the more obvious shills and enablers.

+1

after reading what he posted I got the same exact feeling from it. but i never expected much from the admins here. this is bitcoin after
all.

[ObviousSock]

If you bother reading some of my posts, you'll see that I was one of several others who recognized pirate's scam and the pass-throughs for what they obviously were.

Why is everyone so goddamned happy about pointing out that they "told you so"....  I don't mean to 'pick on you' gene, you are one of many many many people that are saying "if you read my posts....." and I just don't get it?  What is the point?

[JoelKatz]

Why is everyone so goddamned happy about pointing out that they "told you so"....  I don't mean to 'pick on you' gene, you are one of many many many people that are saying "if you read my posts....." and I just don't get it?  What is the point?

It's a way to reduce the chances that we have to do this again, and again, and again. The goal is to learn the maximum from this incident that it is possible to learn. And the key thing to learn is that if something looks exactly like a Ponzi, it's almost certainly a Ponzi.

[payb.tc]

Why is everyone so goddamned happy about pointing out that they "told you so"....  I don't mean to 'pick on you' gene, you are one of many many many people that are saying "if you read my posts....." and I just don't get it?  What is the point?

It's a way to reduce the chances that we have to do this again, and again, and again. The goal is to learn the maximum from this incident that it is possible to learn. And the key thing to learn is that if something looks exactly like a Ponzi, it's almost certainly a Ponzi.

the problem is, even if the size of this community remains constant, the participants are constantly changing.

the people who are on this forum now may have learned their lesson, but this will be a different group of people to those who make up the forum a month / a year from now.

[myrkul]

Read what he wrote.

"Meat grinders, get yer meat grinders here! Guaranteed to shred your dick if you put it in there, come and get your meat grinders!"

"Your meat grinder shredded my dick!"

"Yes, sir, that's exactly what I told you it would do."

"Well, then, why would you sell it to me?"

"Why would you buy it?"

[burnside]

Read what he wrote.

"Meat grinders, get yer meat grinders here! Guaranteed to shred your dick if you put it in there, come and get your meat grinders!"

"Your meat grinder shredded my dick!"

"Yes, sir, that's exactly what I told you it would do."

"Well, then, why would you sell it to me?"

"Why would you buy it?"

"Because several reputable sources (with lots and lots of pussy) told me it was the... best. pussy. evar."

[myrkul]

Read what he wrote.

"Meat grinders, get yer meat grinders here! Guaranteed to shred your dick if you put it in there, come and get your meat grinders!"

"Your meat grinder shredded my dick!"

"Yes, sir, that's exactly what I told you it would do."

"Well, then, why would you sell it to me?"

"Why would you buy it?"

"Because several reputable sources (with lots and lots of pussy) told me it was the... best. pussy. evar."

At this point, I will switch from Theymos' carnival barker to my mother:

"If reputable people told you that jumping off a cliff would allow you to fly, would you do it, especially when other people are telling you 'I don't know, man, those rocks down there look pretty sharp.' and 'Hey, dumbass, you can't fly, magic cliff or no.'?"

Furthermore, would you jump off the cliff of the dude who was standing there saying "Yeah, that magic cliff thing is a load of bull. But if you want to, go right ahead."?

Caveat Emptor, people. Shit.

[burnside]

Read what he wrote.

"Meat grinders, get yer meat grinders here! Guaranteed to shred your dick if you put it in there, come and get your meat grinders!"

"Your meat grinder shredded my dick!"

"Yes, sir, that's exactly what I told you it would do."

"Well, then, why would you sell it to me?"

"Why would you buy it?"

"Because several reputable sources (with lots and lots of pussy) told me it was the... best. pussy. evar."

At this point, I will switch from Theymos' carnival barker to my mother:

"If reputable people told you that jumping off a cliff would allow you to fly, would you do it, especially when other people are telling you 'I don't know, man, those rocks down there look pretty sharp.' and 'Hey, dumbass, you can't fly, magic cliff or no.'?"

Furthermore, would you jump off the cliff of the dude who was standing there saying "Yeah, that magic cliff thing is a load of bull. But if you want to, go right ahead."?

Caveat Emptor, people. Shit.

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

[myrkul]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

[burnside]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

Ehhh... the irony.  I think you missed the point?   

[myrkul]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

Ehhh... the irony.  I think you missed the point?

You had a point?

[burnside]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

Ehhh... the irony.  I think you missed the point?

You had a point?

Did you, by chance, run a PPT?  Is that the hidden land mine I stepped in?

[myrkul]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

Ehhh... the irony.  I think you missed the point?

You had a point?

Did you, by chance, run a PPT?  Is that the hidden land mine I stepped in?

Nope. In fact, I've been one of the ones advising against investing in pirate from the moment I noticed it.

I'm just tired of all the hate splashing off Pirate onto people who were offering a service the community clearly desired.

[The_Duke]

I'm just tired of all the hate splashing off Pirate onto people who were offering a service the community clearly desired.

There's a desire for the endorsement of scams by bitcoin-forum admins 

[burnside]

Heh, there's an original, completely irrelevant analogy.  Never heard that one before.  Remind me next time you get mugged to ask how you didn't see the cliff coming.

Right, because pirate held a gun to your head and forced you to give him your coins. Whose analogy is irrelevant?

Ehhh... the irony.  I think you missed the point?

You had a point?

Did you, by chance, run a PPT?  Is that the hidden land mine I stepped in?

Nope. In fact, I've been one of the ones advising against investing in pirate from the moment I noticed it.

I'm just tired of all the hate splashing off Pirate onto people who were offering a service the community clearly desired.

Ahhh, hate's a pretty strong word.  I don't deal in hate.  Life's too short.

There's a massive difference between a guy that dealt direct with Pirate and lost his own BTC, and a PPT op that managed other people's money for their own financial means.

The PPT ops let everyone down.  The lowly guy investing 10 BTC is in no position to hire a PI and investigate every single asset he puts a bitcent into.  The asset owner on the other hand... the PPT op... who is handling thousands of BTC -- other people's money --.  Could have, maybe should have, just maybe done a little bit of research?  I find it very disappointing how easily Trendon's bankruptcy and prior scams have come to light, not from the PPT ops who lost thousands of dollars of other people's money, but from other diligent forum members doing basic internet searches of public records.  I don't hold the PPT ops responsible, rather, just find myself very disappointed.  You have to hold yourself to a higher standard when working with other people's money.  You have a duty to protect and represent them in a way that you would want to be protected and represented.

[myrkul]

I'm just tired of all the hate splashing off Pirate onto people who were offering a service the community clearly desired.

There's a desire for the endorsement of scams by bitcoin-forum admins 

I didn't see endorsement. I saw offering of a way for the little guys to lose their shirts, too. Since so many of you jumped at it, clearly that was desired.