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May 28, 2015, 05:25:56 PM
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Hey Collin,
How does the wallet decide to re-combine inputs that it earlier split in half?
OK, I dug into the debug log to find the transaction that combined many inputs and found that actually 23 inputs were being
combined into one staking event, see the relevant part below. Interesting that the total value is over the 1000 coin threshold:

 Coinstake(hash=044fc0a62f, nTime=1432792100, ver=1, vin.size=23, vout.size=2, nLockTime=0)
Hmmm, the plot thickens: all other times I see that vout.size = 3 which causes the wallet to skip the re-combination,
only when the vout.size = 2 will the "if" statement pass to enter the re-combination code.
So, now it is a question as to *why* the vout.size parameter is only rarely equal to 2.

I have no clue what any of this shit means, but thank you for trying to tackle this problem!
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May 29, 2015, 12:30:15 AM
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Hey Collin,
How does the wallet decide to re-combine inputs that it earlier split in half?
OK, I dug into the debug log to find the transaction that combined many inputs and found that actually 23 inputs were being
combined into one staking event, see the relevant part below. Interesting that the total value is over the 1000 coin threshold:

 Coinstake(hash=044fc0a62f, nTime=1432792100, ver=1, vin.size=23, vout.size=2, nLockTime=0)
Hmmm, the plot thickens: all other times I see that vout.size = 3 which causes the wallet to skip the re-combination,
only when the vout.size = 2 will the "if" statement pass to enter the re-combination code.
So, now it is a question as to *why* the vout.size parameter is only rarely equal to 2.

I have no clue what any of this shit means, but thank you for trying to tackle this problem!
It is not really a problem, unless the nr of inputs become more than the wallet can handle.
I have seen it over 250 inputs already and I know that a wallet can handle over 1000 but not much more - depending on
the performance of the processor on which it is running...

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May 29, 2015, 01:46:28 AM
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To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.

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May 29, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
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nice work dev, keep it up - hoping GAM is where it 'should' be in the coming weeks/months

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May 29, 2015, 01:55:30 PM
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How much GAM do you have? Just to complete the idea...

To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.

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May 29, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
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How much GAM do you have? Just to complete the idea...

To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.
I am minting around 0.003-0.007 GAM/day with 50 GAM.

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May 29, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
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How much GAM do you have? Just to complete the idea...

To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.

Could back calculate it, but equations and blah. I'm assuming it is a decent amount because the staking reward is supposed to be 5% yearly right?
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May 29, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
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How much GAM do you have? Just to complete the idea...

To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.

Could back calculate it, but equations and blah. I'm assuming it is a decent amount because the staking reward is supposed to be 5% yearly right?
So Cor2 you have something like 60.000? Nice...

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May 29, 2015, 08:42:50 PM
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It is not really a problem, unless the nr of inputs become more than the wallet can handle.
I have seen it over 250 inputs already and I know that a wallet can handle over 1000 but not much more - depending on
the performance of the processor on which it is running...
My Wallet is now up to 440 inputs from splitting the balance in ever smaller chunks, down to 7 GAM, and re-combination is not keeping up.
I estimate that if it were only my wallet that was staking 1 input every minute, then it could supply *all* blocks for more than 7 hours straight but in that time, the other 1/3 of my balance that has staked in the past hours will become mature also, adding another 3 hours of block supply - by which time the earlier staked blocks are again mature, so my wallet could easily generate all blocks continuously for the entire network, even if re-combination would keep up with splitting and no more inputs were generated, but I still see the number generally go up, so I think that re-combination algorithm is not entirely working as it should. I hope it stabilizes before the number of inputs become excessively large

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May 29, 2015, 10:35:06 PM
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How much GAM do you have? Just to complete the idea...

To encourage people to withdraw their idle Gambit tokens from Bittrex and put them to work:
I have now generated 50 Gambit from just having my tokens sit in a wallet.
At the current price of around 12,000 Sat this means about 6 mBTC from less than a week.

Could back calculate it, but equations and blah. I'm assuming it is a decent amount because the staking reward is supposed to be 5% yearly right?
So Cor2 you have something like 60.000? Nice...
And buying some more. Please dump your Gambit tokens, so I can pick them up and make a bigger profit ;-)

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May 30, 2015, 10:50:55 AM
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Tweeted my 2nd paper pick for Gambit...Arbit Arb at 2800 sats! target price 500k sats for July 2015$$$   Cool
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May 31, 2015, 06:27:29 PM
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Tweeted that I bought btc at 232.17 $ for next paper trade @ohyperjacked with a 240$ target price for June ...
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June 01, 2015, 09:08:02 AM
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Why is it so quiet in here? Any place where all Gambit pro traders are planning the future of Gambit? Any slack or IRC?
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June 01, 2015, 06:06:04 PM
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Why is it so quiet in here? Any place where all Gambit pro traders are planning the future of Gambit? Any slack or IRC?
I guess everyone is awaiting the start of the actual trading and the resulting burn of Gambit, which will drive up the price...

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June 01, 2015, 07:30:18 PM
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Why is it so quiet in here? Any place where all Gambit pro traders are planning the future of Gambit? Any slack or IRC?
I guess everyone is awaiting the start of the actual trading and the resulting burn of Gambit, which will drive up the price...
When this is going to happen?
You think it can go lower? Is it a good entry point now?
Thanks.

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June 01, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
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Why is it so quiet in here? Any place where all Gambit pro traders are planning the future of Gambit? Any slack or IRC?
I guess everyone is awaiting the start of the actual trading and the resulting burn of Gambit, which will drive up the price...
When this is going to happen?
You think it can go lower? Is it a good entry point now?
Thanks.
You know what they say: there is no bell at the bottom,
so expect that it can always go lower but get in at some point of you are left out.
Trading is now already below ICO price so I should have waited a little with my buying more,
but I still have more orders on the book, I spread it out since I did not know how low it would go.
Once the burning begins, price will go up but until then you can pick them up cheap.
No guarantees though - it all depends on how well Collin manages this thing and the
performance of the traders, but I like his process, even though it is not as fast as some here
might have wanted - no "quick bucks the day after ICO" except from some speculation
so go in for the long haul, it may take months but with a constant burn rate, the remaining
coins will get more valuable all the time.
I only hope that Collin will make it a point to regularly (weekly at least) post an update,
so we have some continuity and can follow how it is progressing.

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June 01, 2015, 10:17:59 PM
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Small Update

Slow and steady, we are moving forward.  We are working on expanding the list of traders competing, and we are currently tracking paper-trades to gauge performance.  There are around 15 trades currently being tracked.  These positions will be posted when they are closed -- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1unCcQPa-_u34gZ0oKwWoIG6F_CbP0umK1x3tN2-qHAI/

Bitfinex Swap Fees:
As mentioned previously, we are loaning out the Gambit fund for swaps while we are gathering the trader performance data.  While it is somewhat unfortunate that the fees earned via BTC swaps are not very high (0.01 to 0.025%), this revenue source is easy and somewhat lower risk. The fund has earned 0.13548105 BTC profit so far from these loans.


Coin Burning
We have used the 0.13548105 BTC earned from swap fees to buy and destroy Gambit. These 1354.8105 coins have been permanently burned.
Burn Address: http://explorer.gambitcrypto.com/address/GHqvR8KwyrcJ5UJHvwf7RmLtvAnr5uTHdV
Transaction ID: http://explorer.gambitcrypto.com/tx/b7ac081d17a9f4145ab715e373ab463caffe2d12fd6ea90ae2ca5766309c2f11

The larger burning will start happening after we have ten strong traders picked out of the list of 30-50.  With this small example burn today, we are already at a deficit of 860.274466 GAM tokens.

Feel free to message this account or @GambitCrypto on Twitter if you would like to compete to be a Gambit fund trader, or if you would like to nominate a good trader that you think might be interested.


Edit: Watching https://flippa.com/4419727-world-s-largest-directory-of-merchants-who-accept-bitcoin, but not expecting much as it requires KYC/MSB to be of value.

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June 01, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
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Why is it so quiet in here? Any place where all Gambit pro traders are planning the future of Gambit? Any slack or IRC?
I guess everyone is awaiting the start of the actual trading and the resulting burn of Gambit, which will drive up the price...
When this is going to happen?
You think it can go lower? Is it a good entry point now?
Thanks.
You know what they say: there is no bell at the bottom,
so expect that it can always go lower but get in at some point of you are left out.
Trading is now already below ICO price so I should have waited a little with my buying more,
but I still have more orders on the book, I spread it out since I did not know how low it would go.
Once the burning begins, price will go up but until then you can pick them up cheap.
No guarantees though - it all depends on how well Collin manages this thing and the
performance of the traders, but I like his process, even though it is not as fast as some here
might have wanted - no "quick bucks the day after ICO" except from some speculation
so go in for the long haul, it may take months but with a constant burn rate, the remaining
coins will get more valuable all the time.
I only hope that Collin will make it a point to regularly (weekly at least) post an update,
so we have some continuity and can follow how it is progressing.

I got into the ICO but sold out at 45% profit right after

I see this taking time but its a good buy under the ICO price that's for sure especially if it goes down toward $7.5~k

Edit: To dev - could do perhaps with some small giveaways or promotions from time to time to draw new people in besides the trader stuff if that isn't already in the plans

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June 02, 2015, 07:02:33 AM
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quick update on my wallet performance: it has staked a reward of 100 GAM now and the number of inputs appear to be hovering around 400 as sometimes the re-combination becomes active and collects up to 20-ish small inputs to create a single 1000+ GAM input and at other times the number of inputs is drifting up again from all the split inputs.
I did see one time that all small inputs up to 15 GAM were gone, apparently all recombined. Later there were again several 7 GAM inputs from split blocks of about 15 GAM.

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June 02, 2015, 01:42:17 PM
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have you asked other exchanges to add this? more trading platforms the better. cryptsy be a good one.

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