Akhand Bharat - United India : Should it happen ?

[ahmedjadoon]

Secularism will never take roots in Indian society. The mindset of most Indians is this way. There is news every other day about religious prejudices faced by muslims in India. Pakistan government on the other hand does not make any false claim of secularism as it's not literally possible in subcontinent.

Muslims face religious prejudice in India? What about the Hindus and Christians who are living in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Are they enjoying their life without any discrimination? In India, the only group which faces discrimination is the Hindus. They were driven out of Kashmir, they were nearly exterminated in Mizoram, and it is close to impossible for a Hindu to obtain a residence permit in the Lakshadweep.

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

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[bryant.coleman]

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

[ahmedjadoon]

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.
This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

[bryant.coleman]

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.

Did I ever said that all the Muslims in Indian administered Kashmir favor joining Pakistan? They don't. Indian administered Kashmir is divided in to 3 regions: Central Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh. Central Kashmir is almost 100% Muslim (after the exodus of the native Hindus) and a majority of the Muslims there favor either joining Pakistan or independence.

The situation is different in the other 2 regions. In Jammu (around 70% Hindu and Sikh), both the Hindus and Muslims are in favor of remaining in India. The same situation is applicable to the Buddhist majority Ladakh as well.

This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

No. India is composed of 29 states and 7 union territories. In every single one out of these 36 federal subjects, the (proportion of ) Muslim population is increasing. In India as a whole, the percentage of Muslims have increased from 9.8% in 1951, to 14.88% in 2011.

In Indian administered Kashmir, the proportion of Muslims have increased from 64.2% in 1981, to 68.30% in 2011.

[legendster]

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.
This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

Writing stuff in Bold and spreading FUD would never help you prove a point - which - to begin with - is baseless.

What IS clear to me is the fact that you are a completely misinformed being and a product of the modern systematic brainwash and you will not change your mindset over an internet forum discussion.
Whoever said that there are 'mass killings' in J&K to you must be a separatist with the sole propaganda of diving The Greater India into further isolated parts. You can already see the condition of the people in Pakistan - Occupied - Kashmir (POK / Azad Kashmir) the only people who seemed to have benefit from that occupation are the greedy politicians - which is a nice way to put it.
To me, it sounds like this :

WHEN :

• Terrorists and separatists infiltrate a poorly administrated border
• People get massacred by the said terrorists and separatists
• People live in constant fear of being shelled upon by heavy artillery
• The said terrorists & separatists pose a serious national threat to the security and the well being of the common people and the national integrity

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD :

• Hand over the border control to the terrorists and separatists
• Give plebiscite to a disputed area where the terrorists have already infiltrated and successfully created a separatist mentality
• Let the proponents win who want the country to be divided among communal lines
• Leave the people there defenseless against a bigger terrorist invasion threat by withdrawing forces

LOL

If that is what you are saying then you are indeed a wacko out of your mind and hey its not your fault.
It is well documented that people in China idolize Mao Zhedong despite his numerous atrocities upon the poor.
It is a well known fact that people in North Korea think that their leaders are 'gods' who can influence weather with their moods.

Its all a product of systematic brainwash based upon misinformation and misconception which is far far away from the truth. Maybe I should start a thread discussing how to reverse this type of brainwashing prior to discussing the future of Akhand Bharat.

I actually have a few friends in Azad kashmir, mere college students in the Mirpur university and you'd be surprised to know what their point of views are towards the whole Kashmir issue between India & pakistan.


But its best if we look past this stupid argument, I have always believed that not only POK or the rest of Kashmir; but my entire country belongs to every Pakistani, just like the entire Pakistan belongs to every Indian. The division was supposed to END the tensions but it has only increased it, prior to that there was no tension in these parts.

[legendster]

Truth be told in today's Pakistan where the majority of the population is muslim, still is one of the most oppressed population in the entire world. Nothing that the public wants there is heard by the government.

Before the Mumbai incident and the Laden incident it was only the Indian government that had a bone to pick with the Pakistani government and now EVERYONE AGREES.

When will you guys open your eyes and see that when everyone around you starts pointing the finger at you maybe the problem isnt with everyone but its really YOU.

Its high time that people take power in their hands and overthrow this oppressive Paki govt that fuels terrorism and remove this border once & for all. Only then we can move forward towards the dream of Akhand Bharat.

[legendster]

This post topic 1891 views now. Which reminds me of the 1891 census of the Britts conducted in India.
By then the sense of division was already created, it wasnt 'British administered India' anymore but rather 'India' 'Pakistan' 'Bangladesh' & 'Burma'

[ahmedjadoon]

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.
This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

Writing stuff in Bold and spreading FUD would never help you prove a point - which - to begin with - is baseless.

What IS clear to me is the fact that you are a completely misinformed being and a product of the modern systematic brainwash and you will not change your mindset over an internet forum discussion.
Whoever said that there are 'mass killings' in J&K to you must be a separatist with the sole propaganda of diving The Greater India into further isolated parts. You can already see the condition of the people in Pakistan - Occupied - Kashmir (POK / Azad Kashmir) the only people who seemed to have benefit from that occupation are the greedy politicians - which is a nice way to put it.
To me, it sounds like this :

WHEN :

• Terrorists and separatists infiltrate a poorly administrated border
• People get massacred by the said terrorists and separatists
• People live in constant fear of being shelled upon by heavy artillery
• The said terrorists & separatists pose a serious national threat to the security and the well being of the common people and the national integrity

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD :

• Hand over the border control to the terrorists and separatists
• Give plebiscite to a disputed area where the terrorists have already infiltrated and successfully created a separatist mentality
• Let the proponents win who want the country to be divided among communal lines
• Leave the people there defenseless against a bigger terrorist invasion threat by withdrawing forces

LOL

If that is what you are saying then you are indeed a wacko out of your mind and hey its not your fault.
It is well documented that people in China idolize Mao Zhedong despite his numerous atrocities upon the poor.
It is a well known fact that people in North Korea think that their leaders are 'gods' who can influence weather with their moods.

Its all a product of systematic brainwash based upon misinformation and misconception which is far far away from the truth. Maybe I should start a thread discussing how to reverse this type of brainwashing prior to discussing the future of Akhand Bharat.

I actually have a few friends in Azad kashmir, mere college students in the Mirpur university and you'd be surprised to know what their point of views are towards the whole Kashmir issue between India & pakistan.


But its best if we look past this stupid argument, I have always believed that not only POK or the rest of Kashmir; but my entire country belongs to every Pakistani, just like the entire Pakistan belongs to every Indian. The division was supposed to END the tensions but it has only increased it, prior to that there was no tension in these parts.

You are putting forward a very stupid reason to not hold plebscite. You agree that clear majority of Kashmirs want to join Pakistan but you are calling them terrorists for their choice.
You do not have any logical justification to defend "not holding referendum" and "suppressing freedom of speech". I won't even mention othee atrocities.

RIP Akhand Bharat.
We separated from Hindus India for such reasons. No matter how hard India tries to weaken Pakistan in a hope that it joins India again; such dreams will never come true. Pakistan is world's 6th most powerful nuclear power and will deal with all internal and external problems no matter how hard they be.

[legendster]

You are putting forward a very stupid reason to not hold plebscite. You agree that clear majority of Kashmirs want to join Pakistan but you are calling them terrorists for their choice.
You do not have any logical justification to defend "not holding referendum" and "suppressing freedom of speech". I won't even mention othee atrocities.

RIP Akhand Bharat.
We separated from Hindus India for such reasons. No matter how hard India tries to weaken Pakistan in a hope that it joins India again; such dreams will never come true. Pakistan is world's 6th most powerful nuclear power and will deal with all internal and external problems no matter how hard they be.

Ask around and find out if I am putting forward a very stupid reason or not the entire world is on the same page as me, maybe not on the reunion part but at least the part where it is Pakistani fueled terrorism.
You cant even name any ONE atrocity because there have been none, yes there have been isolated incidents which have been blown out of proportion and fingers have been raised but the whole point of this post is to look beyond the petty squabbling that both of our nation have been doing.

You can keep banging the old 'nuclear power' band over & over again the truth is in this region we are the big dogs and we have never waived our nuclear superiority flag over your heads.

'Heads' reminds me how about that incident last year where your army behead a couple of Indian soldiers ? Are you going to justify that ? IF you do then that would be enough to show the typical anti India mentality which has been seared into your brains.

You want us to take the terrorists demands seriously, you want us to enter discussion with a group of people that never belonged in India and have recently migrated from Pakistan into India driving the natives away and you want us to hand over a part of our country to them ? Why dont you guys hand over the northwestern parts of your country to Taliban ?

I'll tell you why, because where there is a separatist threat from a foreign influence you first make sure you remove any outside influence, you make sure that you first gain full control of that part of the disputed area where people 'allegedly' would want to disassociate from a nation, you would then try to address the people's demand to see if you can make them happy by providing them security, jobs, education, food, administration, infrastructure to build the next generation.

After all this when the extremists are dealt with, when people can think for themselves and decide what's best for themselves now and in the coming future THEN you will hold a fair referendum or election or whatever that would give the REAL INHABITANTS OF THE AREA the power to decide what they REALLY want.

That would be the only way. Thats what you should do with your northwestern taliban controlled areas and thats what we will do with our disputed areas.

Seriously, which normal person in their right mind want to be associated with a country that harbored OSAMA BIN LADEN ?? Both of our countries gained independence at the same time, we both had faced each other in multiple wars & stand offs but look at where Pakistan is after 68 years of Independence and look at where India is.

India is not the poster boy of a post colonial self rule success story, we've had our problems but we've dealt with it maturely, we didnt stomp our foot on the ground and didnt send terrorists to some other country to kill innocent people in an international hotel.

NOTHING can be gained by being mean to each other lets stop the di.ck pointing & lets once again reunite under one flag, it wouldnt be a Hindu country, or a buddhist country or a muslim country it would be the land of the free people.

Surely you may not share the same point of view but please dont insult the views that I believe in.

[legendster]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

[bryant.coleman]

We separated from Hindus India for such reasons. No matter how hard India tries to weaken Pakistan in a hope that it joins India again; such dreams will never come true. Pakistan is world's 6th most powerful nuclear power and will deal with all internal and external problems no matter how hard they be.

I don't think that anyone with a normal mental state in India would like to merge the two nations. If India, Pakistan and Bangladesh merge to form a single country, then Hindus will be a minority. Once that happens, what happened in Pakistan 70 years ago, and what is happening in Bangladesh right now will occur in India - the genocide of the Hindus.

[thebitcoinquiz.com]

RIP Akhand Bharat.
We separated from Hindus India for such reasons. No matter how hard India tries to weaken Pakistan in a hope that it joins India again; such dreams will never come true. Pakistan is world's 6th most powerful nuclear power and will deal with all internal and external problems no matter how hard they be.

LoL. Noone is wanting to join you again. And deal with internal and external problems themselves?  You wont be able to buy even basic warfare machinery if you stop getting external grants, beggars. You don't even produce enough food to feed yourself, and you are talking about handling internal problems yourself 😂

[ahmedjadoon]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

[erikalui]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

The lady who claimed to not get an apartment on rent lately in the news was a liar. People often claim this when the reason is either they disagree with the rent amount or don't want to pay the money. Yes, there are some buildings which don't allow Muslims to stay there because they fear any conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. That case is even in Pakistan where few Hindus were forced to leave the country and were harassed for year in that country.

Muslims get jobs everywhere and that claim is false that they don't get jobs. My boss is a Muslim in a Hindu company 

I don't know why you dislike India so much but problems exist in every country and India is certainly not the worst country in this regard.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

The lady who claimed to not get an apartment on rent lately in the news was a liar. People often claim this when the reason is either they disagree with the rent amount or don't want to pay the money. Yes, there are some buildings which don't allow Muslims to stay there because they fear any conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. That case is even in Pakistan where few Hindus were forced to leave the country and were harassed for year in that country.

Muslims get jobs everywhere and that claim is false that they don't get jobs. My boss is a Muslim in a Hindu company 

I don't know why you dislike India so much but problems exist in every country and India is certainly not the worst country in this regard.

India does have vast discrimination.

[ahmedjadoon]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

The lady who claimed to not get an apartment on rent lately in the news was a liar. People often claim this when the reason is either they disagree with the rent amount or don't want to pay the money. Yes, there are some buildings which don't allow Muslims to stay there because they fear any conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. That case is even in Pakistan where few Hindus were forced to leave the country and were harassed for year in that country.

Muslims get jobs everywhere and that claim is false that they don't get jobs. My boss is a Muslim in a Hindu company 

I don't know why you dislike India so much but problems exist in every country and India is certainly not the worst country in this regard.

I certainly don't hate India but we are discussing the reasons why "Akhand Bharat" is not possible. I understand these problems are prevalent in whole subcontinent - not just Pakistan or India. This is the point I'm trying to make.

[bryant.coleman]

We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

Lol.. Is it possible even to compare the situation of Muslims in India to that of Hindus in Pakistan? I am not a permanent resident of either India or Pakistan. But still, I regularly travel to India. I have spoken to many Indian Muslims, and most of them claim that they face hardly any harassment in India. Can the same be said about the Hindus in Pakistan?

[Subal_Damudar]

We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

Lol.. Is it possible even to compare the situation of Muslims in India to that of Hindus in Pakistan? I am not a permanent resident of either India or Pakistan. But still, I regularly travel to India. I have spoken to many Indian Muslims, and most of them claim that they face hardly any harassment in India. Can the same be said about the Hindus in Pakistan?

In news muslim destroy Hindu temple in Pakistan but I agree border vanish good for us common people. Hate crime eats normal people make rich more rich.

[erikalui]

India does have vast discrimination.

But this discrimination is not the worst compared to all other countries. Where I am living, I haven't seen any problems with respect to religion but it may be the case in other states (but it hasn't been reported in the news that any major incident has happened). If we consider UK, my friend said that there is a terrible discrimination with regards to the color and Indians are mostly treated badly in London (where my friend lives). In other countries the problems are far more worse that we can imagine. It's similar with Hindus in Pakistan. There have been reports that they are iltreated there.

[thebitcoinquiz.com]

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

Really? How can you even compare Pakistan to India? You have been "looking" for equal rights and peaceful progression since last 60 years, and you'll keep on "looking forward" to it for more hundreds of years. No matter what you claim but India in terms of secularism, peace and in terms of equal rights is far more better than Pakistan. Man, you guys cannot even successfully conduct a cricket series in your nation and you are talking about self dependence,peaceful progression and crap.