Who are THEY? Are they Muslim?

[BADecker]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world.  

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

This is just about the silliest thing I ever heard.

The only rules for starting war are to make sure you are going to win, or at least be able to escape if you lose.

Guerilla warfare is one of the most successful no-rules forms of warfare. ISIS is doing it.

They have all kinds of rules for themselves... like strike briefly in surprise, and then run away after doing all kinds of damage, before the enemy has a chance to regroup and fight back.

It works both ways - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-kills-islamic-state-leader-in-syria-raid/2015/05/16/31280b26-fbca-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/17/lawmakers-praise-risky-us-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-aby-sayyaf/ and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/16/us-conducts-raid-on-isis-in-syria-kills-top-official/.

[Muhammed Zakir]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

This is just about the silliest thing I ever heard.

The only rules for starting war are to make sure you are going to win, or at least be able to escape if you lose.

Guerilla warfare is one of the most successful no-rules forms of warfare. ISIS is doing it.

They have all kinds of rules for themselves... like strike briefly in surprise, and then run away after doing all kinds of damage, before the enemy has a chance to regroup and fight back.

It works both ways - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-kills-islamic-state-leader-in-syria-raid/2015/05/16/31280b26-fbca-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/17/lawmakers-praise-risky-us-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-aby-sayyaf/ and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/16/us-conducts-raid-on-isis-in-syria-kills-top-official/.

That is the silliest thing you heard is because you don't know Islamic teachings and rules and just rely on medias.

[BADecker]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

This is just about the silliest thing I ever heard.

The only rules for starting war are to make sure you are going to win, or at least be able to escape if you lose.

Guerilla warfare is one of the most successful no-rules forms of warfare. ISIS is doing it.

They have all kinds of rules for themselves... like strike briefly in surprise, and then run away after doing all kinds of damage, before the enemy has a chance to regroup and fight back.

It works both ways - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-kills-islamic-state-leader-in-syria-raid/2015/05/16/31280b26-fbca-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/17/lawmakers-praise-risky-us-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-aby-sayyaf/ and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/16/us-conducts-raid-on-isis-in-syria-kills-top-official/.

That is the silliest thing you heard is because you don't know Islamic teachings and rules and just rely on medias.

Now it's you who is essentially calling ISIS Muslims.

[Muhammed Zakir]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

This is just about the silliest thing I ever heard.

The only rules for starting war are to make sure you are going to win, or at least be able to escape if you lose.

Guerilla warfare is one of the most successful no-rules forms of warfare. ISIS is doing it.

They have all kinds of rules for themselves... like strike briefly in surprise, and then run away after doing all kinds of damage, before the enemy has a chance to regroup and fight back.

It works both ways - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-kills-islamic-state-leader-in-syria-raid/2015/05/16/31280b26-fbca-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/17/lawmakers-praise-risky-us-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-aby-sayyaf/ and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/16/us-conducts-raid-on-isis-in-syria-kills-top-official/.

That is the silliest thing you heard is because you don't know Islamic teachings and rules and just rely on medias.

Now it's you who is essentially calling ISIS Muslims.

Did I? I responded to your first line.

[BADecker]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

This is just about the silliest thing I ever heard.

The only rules for starting war are to make sure you are going to win, or at least be able to escape if you lose.

Guerilla warfare is one of the most successful no-rules forms of warfare. ISIS is doing it.

They have all kinds of rules for themselves... like strike briefly in surprise, and then run away after doing all kinds of damage, before the enemy has a chance to regroup and fight back.

It works both ways - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-kills-islamic-state-leader-in-syria-raid/2015/05/16/31280b26-fbca-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/17/lawmakers-praise-risky-us-raid-that-killed-isis-leader-aby-sayyaf/ and http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/16/us-conducts-raid-on-isis-in-syria-kills-top-official/.

That is the silliest thing you heard is because you don't know Islamic teachings and rules and just rely on medias.

Now it's you who is essentially calling ISIS Muslims.

Did I? I responded to your first line.

Well, I'm not into making war. But I am not Muslim, either. If I were a warrior and did it by Muslim laws, it would be by accident. So who are you talking about that is supposed to follow Muslim war directives?

[Spendulus]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

Clearly Islam embraces diversity.

Those who think Islam is peaceful.
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews (somehow it's self defense of course).
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews and destroy the Great Satan.
Those who think Islam is not peaceful.
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[Muhammed Zakir]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

Clearly Islam embraces diversity.

Those who think Islam is peaceful.
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews (somehow it's self defense of course).
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews and destroy the Great Satan.
Those who think Islam is not peaceful.
......

But Islam doesn't tell to kill all Jews.

[lolxxxx]

What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

They are not muslims just mis-guiding the other`s and make them to think bad for muslims and wants to be against the muslims.

[BADecker]

What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

They are not muslims just mis-guiding the other`s and make them to think bad for muslims and wants to be against the muslims.

But maybe your opinion is wrong. Just look at all the directives to do violence listed right in the Quran - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. And this is only the start. Get out all the sayings of the prophets and you will find more.

To be fair, Islam speaks of peace as well. But most of the peace is between Muslims. When it comes to Muslims and others, it is a mixed bag.

Because of this, maybe the Muslims that are violent are the real Muslims. The rest of them are either "baby" Muslims (like the Sunnis), or not Muslim at all (like some of the Sunnis who think they are Muslim but don't know what they are talking about).

[RodeoX]

If you really want to challenge your beliefs ask yourself if ISIS could be right. No one knows the mind of God, perhaps he fully supports the acts of DASCH. They think so and who am I to disagree? They are much more in line with ancient scriptures like the Bible. Most believers these days make up their own rules and claim God's support. Why? I have not heard him say anything and the ancient scriptures are quite clear that killing is fine to use against  non-beleivers, disobedient children, those who eat shellfish, etc. I suspect God will continue to remain silent on the matter. 

[BADecker]

If you really want to challenge your beliefs ask yourself if ISIS could be right. No one knows the mind of God, perhaps he fully supports the acts of DASCH. They think so and who am I to disagree? They are much more in line with ancient scriptures like the Bible. Most believers these days make up their own rules and claim God's support. Why? I have not heard him say anything and the ancient scriptures are quite clear that killing is fine to use against  non-beleivers, disobedient children, those who eat shellfish, etc. I suspect God will continue to remain silent on the matter. 

You have good points.

People are representatives of God if they know the written religion well enough. That's why they act in God's stead. But, people can be evil. So, who knows if they are acting truthfully until we all get into the written words, and all become God's representatives.

[RodeoX]

If you really want to challenge your beliefs ...

You have good points.

People are representatives of God ...

For the record, I think DASCH is barbaric and they should be put to the sword. lol
The God I heard about growing up wanted us to be good to each other and did not care about us eating shrimp. But in truth, he did not say that to me. [/devils advocate]

[Spendulus]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

Clearly Islam embraces diversity.

Those who think Islam is peaceful.
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews (somehow it's self defense of course).
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews and destroy the Great Satan.
Those who think Islam is not peaceful.
......

But Islam doesn't tell to kill all Jews.

I am expanding more on the popular interpretations and beliefs derived from clerics talking up the Koran, rather than your particular beliefs.  Thus, Islam "embraces diversity" - including your beliefs.

Just think, you can have your cake and eat it too.  You can benefit from a "religion of peace" and at the same time, have the advantages of a "religion of violence."

[Muhammed Zakir]

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Like I said many times, they spread disinformation and also that verses are either mistranslated(possible mistranslation(low chance) or out of context verses. Some people quoted it here and I have replied what it is. Almost all of them were out of context verses and also it is for defense not for killing innocents.

Of course, Muslims rubber band the definition of "defense" to include just about anything they want to do, don't they?

All Palestinian bombings of innocent people are of course "Defense".

USA supports Israel, so it is the "Great Satan", so bombing USA is also good "Defense."

I am not saying Zakir makes these rationalizations but they are very commonly done in the Islamic world. 

I understand what you are saying but there are rules for starting a war which obviously those terrorists aren't following and furthermore, they aren't following most rules at all.

Clearly Islam embraces diversity.

Those who think Islam is peaceful.
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews (somehow it's self defense of course).
Those who think Islam is peaceful but let's kill all the Jews and destroy the Great Satan.
Those who think Islam is not peaceful.
......

But Islam doesn't tell to kill all Jews.

I am expanding more on the popular interpretations and beliefs derived from clerics talking up the Koran, rather than your particular beliefs.  Thus, Islam "embraces diversity" - including your beliefs.

Just think, you can have your cake and eat it too.  You can benefit from a "religion of peace" and at the same time, have the advantages of a "religion of violence."

May I know what that interpretations are because my belief is Islam and Islam doesn't tell to kil Jews? You may have heard/saw wrong things.