New York Times identifies Nick Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto

[Gleb Gamow]

The New York Times thinks it's identified mysterious bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto

The myth surrounding bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto may be larger than the reality.

The search for Nakamoto's identity has lasted years, with myriad theories, but new evidence suggests that a man who has long been considered a possible Nakamoto may indeed be the inventor behind bitcoin.

The New York Times has published a new longform piece (which features material from a soon-to-be-released book) aimed precisely at this question and this man.

His name is Nick Szabo, whom The Times describes as a "large bearded man." For years people have suspected him of being involved with the original bitcoin project in some capacity. Szabo was behind another digital currency called "bit gold," which was conceived before bitcoin and offered similar services.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-identity-2015-5#ixzz3aEguQHHr

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[Amph]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

[newcripto]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

[ajareselde]

"...which features material from a soon-to-be-released book..." - This is the only part of this story that you need to read, this "revelation"  is created only
to sell pumped up title, nothing more. Low move from NY Times, i thought they are better than that, but judging by this, they obviously  are not.

cheers

[jdebunt]

"...which features material from a soon-to-be-released book..." - This is the only part of this story that you need to read, this "revelation"  is created only
to sell pumped up title, nothing more. Low move from NY Times, i thought they are better than that, but judging by this, they obviously  are not.

cheers

Kind of destroys the little credibility they had left in my book...

[NyeFe]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why not let him be Satoshi? Isn't the IRS looking for someone to lynch for the amount of coins stored in his wallets?

[HI-TEC99]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why not let him be Satoshi? Isn't the IRS looking for someone to lynch for the amount of coins stored in his wallets?

The first draft of the BitLicense stated that, “controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency” qualifies as Virtual Currency Business Activity subject to licensing. This remains unchanged in the new draft.

If someone proved he was Satoshi would they go after him for controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency? Can the BitLicense be applied to things that happened before its release? Probably not, but I haven't read the small print yet.

[Studio60]

Now they'll turn this guy's life upside down and in a couple months we'll have another big news calling someone else The Satoshi

As long as he gets a free lunch out of it I guess it's okay

[RodeoX]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why not let him be Satoshi? Isn't the IRS looking for someone to lynch for the amount of coins stored in his wallets?

The first draft of the BitLicense stated that, “controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency” qualifies as Virtual Currency Business Activity subject to licensing. This remains unchanged in the new draft.

If someone proved he was Satoshi would they go after him for controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency? Can the BitLicense be applied to things that happened before its release? Probably not, but I haven't read the small print yet.

I think the IRS could care less about anything except taxes. Besides, they have no grounds to do anything and Satoshi did nothing wrong. Remember you owe money when you cash out coins, not just for owning them. You could have a billion dollars worth and your tax on them is zero. Now if you sell a billion dollars worth you will owe capitol gains on the growth in value.

[sherbyspark]

Now they'll turn this guy's life upside down and in a couple months we'll have another big news calling someone else The Satoshi

Maybe we will have Satoshi Return and comment "I am not Nick Szabo" , just like he did before. We will atleast know he is still alive .
Also , this does sound fishy as it reads on wikipedia "After the release of Bitcoin, the timestamp of his blog post was changed to appear as if the blog post was published only after the release of Bitcoin."

[LiteCoinGuy]

Now they'll turn this guy's life upside down and in a couple months we'll have another big news calling someone else The Satoshi

Maybe we will have Satoshi Return and comment "I am not Nick Szabo" , just like he did before. We will atleast know he is still alive .
Also , this does sound fishy as it reads on wikipedia "After the release of Bitcoin, the timestamp of his blog post was changed to appear as if the blog post was published only after the release of Bitcoin."

i guess these people are "the Satoshis" and i like that scenario. of course they will never say that they invented BTC but these guys are alot better than the NSA  

[Gleb Gamow]

"...which features material from a soon-to-be-released book..." - This is the only part of this story that you need to read, this "revelation"  is created only
to sell pumped up title, nothing more. Low move from NY Times, i thought they are better than that, but judging by this, they obviously  are not.

cheers

Perhaps, they put out this article for feelers on their proposed name change: NY Times Week.

[Lethn]

Not again for fucks sake, do they really think a third rate reporter is going to be able to find Satoshi? It's not like he'd even admit it and now there are several Satoshi Nakamoto's to pick from so no one is going to believe them anyway, their own lies have made it impossible to tell who's telling the truth.

[hedgy73]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

[HI-TEC99]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

There is no chance of that. The creator of Bitcoin has not been an active developer of it for years. Other devs now control the development, and their changes to the code have to be accepted by a massive worldwide network of people who mine Bitcoins. If the miners don't like the dev's changes then they can refuse to upgrade to the new software. The reason Bitcoin cannot be destroyed by a single government is because its a worldwide decentralized system with no single group of people who fully control it.

[SpanishSoldier]

The New York Times thinks it's identified mysterious bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto
-snip-

This is nothing but a marketing move by NYT. Nice to see that they think Bitcoin sales better than babes. The NewsWeek story had more substance than this.

This is also a tactical move by Vaurum, which is backed Tim Draper and recruited Nick Szabo. If they can push that Szabo is Nakamoto, then they'll have a say that Founder of Bitcoin is working with us. So, we are better than others.

[hedgy73]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

There is no chance of that. The creator of Bitcoin has not been an active developer of it for years. Other devs now control the development, and their changes to the code have to be accepted by a massive worldwide network of people who mine Bitcoins. If the miners don't like the dev's changes then they can refuse to upgrade to the new software. The reason Bitcoin cannot be destroyed by a single government is because its a worldwide decentralized system with no single group of people who fully control it.

Thank you .

[boomertoo]

Who is John Galt  

[gentlemand]

Who is John Galt  

Something of a prick.

[franky1]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

the bitcoin code exists on thousands of users computers. there is no central location..
in short there is no 'off switch' unless authorities could systematically find every single bitcoin-core user and destroy the bitcoin code on everyones computer..

if the government had any monetary destruction agenda.. they would find it far easier to destroy FIAT banks.. to wipe off the trillion dollar world debt

[Gleb Gamow]

The New York Times thinks it's identified mysterious bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto
-snip-

This is nothing but a marketing move by NYT. Nice to see that they think Bitcoin sales better than babes. The NewsWeek story had more substance than this.

This is also a tactical move by Vaurum, which is backed Tim Draper and recruited Nick Szabo. If they can push that Szabo is Nakamoto, then they'll have a say that Founder of Bitcoin is working with us. So, we are better than others.

Tim Draper: Satoshi works for us.
Other Bitcoin Entities: No problem! We'll just fork Satoshi six ways.
Tim Draper: I see what you did there!

[RitzBitzz]

I don't believe its him I still believe its that guy a couple years back who's last name is nakamoto.

[Gleb Gamow]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

the bitcoin code exists on thousands of users computers. there is no central location..
in short there is no 'off switch' unless authorities could systematically find every single bitcoin-core user and destroy the bitcoin code on everyones computer..

if the government had any monetary destruction agenda.. they would find it far easier to destroy FIAT banks.. to wipe off the trillion dollar world debt

<start post> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_kill_switch </end post>

PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier#Cryptography

Any person can invent a security system so clever that he or she can't imagine a way of breaking it.

[franky1]

if the media actually bothered to spend any time properly researching they would find that nick szabo, hal finney and a few others all contributed to bitcoin.

lets use a cake analogy..
satoshi is the cake maker
nick the egg farmer
hal finney the flour mill owner
other people provided the vanilla and chocolate flavouring..

satoshi then mixed the ingrediants together and baked the cake..

and now gavin and the other devs are adding the icing and candles..

so yea nick had something to do with it.. but he didnt put all the ingredients together...

... all im waiting for is the entertainment to begin where the world goes nuts like they did during the dorian saga.. followed or previous to a tsunami of scammers making fake nickszabo accounts and saying they will do interviews if they get prepaid large amounts of money.

either way people will realise the main creator is not that important.. after all do any of you know the name of the first person who created a bank note.. (without googling it)

[franky1]

If the relevant authorities did find the creator of bitcoin could they make him / her or them destroy bitcoin?

I don't know enough about the technical side but was wondering if it could all come to an end if the people in the know were made to do so?

the bitcoin code exists on thousands of users computers. there is no central location..
in short there is no 'off switch' unless authorities could systematically find every single bitcoin-core user and destroy the bitcoin code on everyones computer..

if the government had any monetary destruction agenda.. they would find it far easier to destroy FIAT banks.. to wipe off the trillion dollar world debt

<start post> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_kill_switch </end post>

PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier#Cryptography

Any person can invent a security system so clever that he or she can't imagine a way of breaking it.

the question was can authorities make satoshi kill bitcoin.... answer is still no.
the authorities themselves could as i explained systematically weed out all users of bitcoin-core.. or as you point out nuke the entire internet.. but in both cases, satoshi needs no part of it, thus no need to find him

[hedgy73]

if the media actually bothered to spend any time properly researching they would find that nick szabo, hal finney and a few others all contributed to bitcoin.

lets use a cake analogy..
satoshi is the cake maker
nick the egg farmer
hal finney the flour mill owner
other people provided the vanilla and chocolate flavouring..

satoshi then mixed the ingrediants together and baked the cake..

and now gavin and the other devs are adding the icing and candles..

so yea nick had something to do with it.. but he didnt put all the ingredients together...

... all im waiting for is the entertainment to begin where the world goes nuts like they did during the dorian saga.. followed or previous to a tsunami of scammers making fake nickszabo accounts and saying they will do interviews if they get prepaid large amounts of money.

either way people will realise the main creator is not that important.. after all do any of you know the name of the first person who created a bank note.. (without googling it)

Like it!

Don't know who made the first bank not without googling by the way.....

[JAW]

I always wonder how much BTC he would have mined in good times

[goosoodude]

It seems that the NYT is not quite as confident about the identity of Satoshi as Newsweek was early last year. They likely do not want to get the same kind of bad reputation that Newsweek got when they doxed the wrong satoshi.

Based on what I have read about Nick and based on what is in the article, I don't think that Nick is satoshi, however it seems that Nick may know who satochi is, possibly working with him in the past, possibly at bit gold

[coinableS]

Not the first time Szabo has been speculated as Satoshi. Nothing original here NYT. Also I don't believe Szabo is Satoshi.

[Slark]

Unless real Satoshi will disclose his/her/their identity we are in the same spot. Time passed, and 5 years after bitcoin was created we still know nothing certain about its creator.
Even if Szabo is really Satoshi there is not enough proofs to confirm this revelation. We don't have anything solid here.
Unless NYT digged out some groundbreaking facts I will still think that this Szabo=Satoshi sensational news is just a publicity stunt.

[Gleb Gamow]

if the media actually bothered to spend any time properly researching they would find that nick szabo, hal finney and a few others all contributed to bitcoin.

lets use a cake analogy..
satoshi is the cake maker
nick the egg farmer
hal finney the flour mill owner
other people provided the vanilla and chocolate flavouring..

satoshi then mixed the ingrediants together and baked the cake..

and now gavin and the other devs are adding the icing and candles..

so yea nick had something to do with it.. but he didnt put all the ingredients together...

... all im waiting for is the entertainment to begin where the world goes nuts like they did during the dorian saga.. followed or previous to a tsunami of scammers making fake nickszabo accounts and saying they will do interviews if they get prepaid large amounts of money.

either way people will realise the main creator is not that important.. after all do any of you know the name of the first person who created a bank note.. (without googling it)

Like it!

Don't know who made the first bank not without googling by the way.....

First blockchain:

By the early 12th century, the amount of banknotes issued in a single year amounted to an annual rate of 26 million strings of cash coins.

First Altcoins:

It was recorded that each year before 1101 AD, the prefecture of Xinan (modern Xi-xian, Anhui) alone would send 1,500,000 sheets of paper in seven different varieties to the capital at Kaifeng.

[Gleb Gamow]

Unless real Satoshi will disclose his/her/their identity we are in the same spot. Time passed, and 5 years after bitcoin was created we still know nothing certain about its creator.
Even if Szabo is really Satoshi there is not enough proofs to confirm this revelation. We don't have anything solid here.
Unless NYT digged out some groundbreaking facts I will still think that this Szabo=Satoshi sensational news is just a publicity stunt.

As I had these conversations with the programmers and entrepreneurs who are most deeply involved in Bitcoin, I encountered a quiet but widely held belief that much of the most convincing evidence pointed to a reclusive American man of Hungarian descent named Nick Szabo.

I concur. Them Hungarians will do anything for attention.

[Gleb Gamow]

Unless real Satoshi will disclose his/her/their identity we are in the same spot. Time passed, and 5 years after bitcoin was created we still know nothing certain about its creator.
Even if Szabo is really Satoshi there is not enough proofs to confirm this revelation. We don't have anything solid here.
Unless NYT digged out some groundbreaking facts I will still think that this Szabo=Satoshi sensational news is just a publicity stunt.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120117011806/http://vaurum.com/



Obviously, something's been in the works for a while now.

[franky1]

the overwhelming evidence that satoshi is british ( british spellings and grammer, plus british newspaper reference in genesis) always gets ignored when they try to convince people that satoshi is american.....

[Gleb Gamow]

the overwhelming evidence that satoshi is british ( british spellings and grammer, plus british newspaper reference in genesis) always gets ignored when they try to convince people that satoshi is american.....

I call, and raise you a post depicting Curtis Green referring to himself as an African American.

[Gleb Gamow]

Unless real Satoshi will disclose his/her/their identity we are in the same spot. Time passed, and 5 years after bitcoin was created we still know nothing certain about its creator.
Even if Szabo is really Satoshi there is not enough proofs to confirm this revelation. We don't have anything solid here.
Unless NYT digged out some groundbreaking facts I will still think that this Szabo=Satoshi sensational news is just a publicity stunt.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120117011806/http://vaurum.com/



Obviously, something's been in the works for a while now.

Scrolling down the page to the end you'll find "powered by LaunchRock".

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/launchrock

Company Details

Founded: January 28, 2011

...

Offices/Locations (1)
UPDATE
Office

340 S Lemon Ave
#3434
Walnut, CA 91789
USA

http://whois.domaintools.com/vaurum.com

Domain Name: VAURUM.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1683456692_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2015-04-23T20:38:37.00Z
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http://withbitcoin.net/category/gambling/sports-betting

WITH BITCOIN

340 S LEMON AVE #2045 WALNUT, CA 91789

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34hyvq/josh_garza_paycoin_gaw_wants_your_money_for_a/



For those aware that Satoshi loved using the word "Karma": https://www.facebook.com/karmacoin.me/info?tab=page_info

Karmashares LLC , 340 S. Lemon Ave. #9201 Walnut, CA91789, USA

http://www.whotakescoin.com/category/internet-and-mobile/web-hosting/

NameTerrific
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340 S Lemon Ave #7926 Walnut CA United States
Walnut
91789

There sure the hell is a lot of Bitcoin-related biz associated with that Lemon Ave address, eh?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1ilKGNG5mHgJ:howtologinto.com/%3Fd%3Dbitcoinmagazine.com+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Domain Name: bitcoinmagazine.com
Registry Domain ID: 1657277563_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.rrpproxy.net
Registrar URL: https://domains.google.com/
Updated Date: 2015-01-25T19:42:32.0Z
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Registrar IANA ID: 895
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: registrar-abuse[at]google.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.877-237-6466
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Andrew DeSantis
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 340 S Lemon Ave #8420
Registrant City: Walnut
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 91789
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.2053316930

[nutildah]

I always wondered if S.N. was an anagram for something (not the initials, the full name. I've just seen it spelled out enough for today).

Good thing there's this:

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=satoshi+nakamoto&t=1000

Here's some of my favorite of the first 1000 results:

Anatomists Hooka
Satanist Amok Ooh
Asia Tomato Honks
Samoa Taint Hooks

Aha Masons It Took

!!!

I think I cracked the code. It was invented by the freemasons. Makes perfect conspiratorial sense.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://counterpartyfoundation.org/celebrating-the-one-year-anniversary-of-the-counterparty-project/

340 S. Lemon Ave #2333
Walnut, CA 91789
+1 925-954-9473

How is that an address associated with Satoshi(?) via Vaurum also be associated with CounterParty, GAW, among other Bitcoin-themed entities?

http://www.toshidesk.com/

340 S LEMON AVE #2779 WALNUT, CA 91789

http://www.didsimple.com/

DIDSimple™

340 S LEMON AVE #6343
WALNUT, CA 91789
+1 469-552-7434

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6VTT56aUye4J:https://mpgdocs.com/+&cd=31&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Contact Info

340 S Lemon Ave, Suite 2562
Walnut, CA 91789

Phone: (844) TOP-BLOCK

Web: www.tbminer.com

The list is virtually endless: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22joker.com%22+%22Lemon+Ave%22

This too: https://mawords.com/darkwallet.com

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=btcmedia.org&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=ZGEagM9tJHgzJ3pq43bivMLLyIvLQ5R5bTRTCdfi%2ftJqE6pO81h3SIKQR0qMROM1

Domain Name:BTCMEDIA.ORG
Domain ID: D173666134-LROR
Creation Date: 2014-08-19T19:34:33Z
Updated Date: 2014-10-19T03:47:42Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-08-19T19:34:33Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Google Inc. (R1356-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 895
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited -- http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:AAD2866693648
Registrant Name:Andrew DeSantis
Registrant Organization:Rolation Inc.
Registrant Street: 340 S Lemon Ave #8420
Registrant City:Walnut
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:91789
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2053316930

[tspacepilot]

I read this article on my lunch today and I have to point out that I wouldn't say that the article actually identifies Szabo as Satoshi.  Definitely not the way that Newsweek did with that fellow last year.  Instead, this article merely highlights the fact that Szabo is among a small group of (known) people who have the potential to be Satoshi, and it talks about the evidence for that.  From my reading of it, I think saying that they "identify" Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto is going too far.

[franky1]

How is that an address associated with Satoshi(?) via Vaurum also be associated with CounterParty, GAW, among other Bitcoin-themed entities?

if you look hard enough you will find links to everything.. (6th degree of separation philosophy)
keep looking you might find a link between satoshi and brock pierce..
via some coin protocols, bitcoin foundation and vaurum......

.. all it means is that in a pool of not very many people, you will always find familiar connections.

my previous posts were to highlight that the real satoshi never shouted out that he was british, thus not making it a direct ploy to confuse people. but from the manner in which he posted messages on forums, gits and emails he is definetly british.

yet the only thing that links nick and satoshi. is that they are both interested in an alternative currency (just like hal finney, brock, gavin, andreas, sirrius and millions of others) and the fact that he used a few common words.... which thousands of people say..

thus there is just as much evidence that your best friend brock pierce could be satoshi
thus there is just as much evidence that Hal finney could be satoshi
thus there is just as much evidence that theymos could be satoshi
thus there is just as much evidence that sirrius could be satoshi

[Gleb Gamow]

http://www.quora.com/Startups-in-2014/Why-would-you-invest-in-a-Bitcoin-related-company-instead-of-Bitcoins



Tim Draper: Son, I have something for you.
Adam Draper: What, dad?
Time Draper: Vaurum.
Adam Draper: You want me to...
Tim Draper: Wink!
Adam Draper: If only we could get...
Tim Draper: Whose your daddy?
NY Times: Nick Szabo...

[crazywack]

@Gleb

Looked on Google maps at those addresses. Seems to be a business park or complex. But why would they have so many addresses in that park? Wouldn't it be adventitious to have 1? Also why register in Cali? Taxes are insain.... Sure they are crypto friendly but why not Nevada?

I found your research on this intreaging.


Do they all have the same lawyer who advised them to register here? Same person? I'm so what lost and need more to feed my curiosity.

[franky1]

so it seems my theory that its just a dead drop site for mail, was correct.  340 lemon is the address of the company called "virtualpostmail" who act as a mail forwarding service

[crazywack]

so it seems my theory that its just a dead drop site for mail, was correct.  340 lemon is the address of the company called "virtualpostmail" who act as a mail forwarding service

Makes sense. . . Was ganna say a or domain/hosting service maybe. Cuz I looked at some their Whois.domain and saw they had differing area codes.

[monsanto]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html

I met Mr. Szabo, a large bearded man, in March 2014 at a Bitcoin event at the Lake Tahoe vacation home of Dan Morehead, a former Goldman Sachs executive who now runs a Bitcoin-focused investment firm, Pantera Capital.

[coinmaster222]

worked wth him on bigold the fore runner to bitcoin have said this all a long

[nizamcc]

This can't be Satoshi.
The guy who started this technology to anonymize everything won't let anyone reveal himself.

[Lauda]

Here we go again. Why would anyone take this seriously?
They are just doing this for publicity. The chances of Nick Szabo being Satoshi are the same as me being Satoshi and not even knowing about it.

As with every thread: please stop searching for Satoshi. Don't you have something better to do in your own life?

[PenguinFire]

Sweet article.  I would have probably been unlikely to have read this unless lots of other sites also wrote articles about this.

[bornil267645]

Just because it is the new york times, doesn't mean that we will have to put a head to everything it writes in. I still believe satoshi is a name of a group. But whether that group is a independent agency or a govt. project, that is still a mystery.

[monsanto]

Mr. Szabo himself has continued to be quietly involved in the work. In the beginning of 2014, Mr. Szabo joined Vaurum, a Bitcoin start-up based in Palo Alto, Calif., that was operating in stealth mode and that aimed to build a better Bitcoin exchange. After his arrival, Mr. Szabo helped reorient the company to take advantage of the Bitcoin software’s capability for so-called smart contracts, which enable self-executing financial transactions, according to people briefed on the company’s operations who spoke on condition of anonymity.

After Mr. Szabo led the company in a new direction, it was renamed Mirror, and it recently raised $12.5 million from several prominent venture capitalists, these people said. The company declined to comment for this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html


N S (nick szabo) is S N (satoshi nakamoto) in a mirror.

And that old anonymous blog post claiming textual analysis determined Szabo was Satoshi:

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

[Gleb Gamow]

This can't be Satoshi.
The guy who started this technology to anonymize everything won't let anyone reveal himself.

Who was on the 2008 list of academics passionate about cryptocurrencies and who wrote like Nick Szabo? Nick Szabo.

The scenario in which Szabo goes to a technically-minded computer scientist to get help turning bit gold into a reality is strongly backed by the fact that in April 2008, just a few months before the announcement of Bitcoin, Nick was actively looking for collaborators on the bit gold project. He asks on his blog [5] :

“[bit gold] would greatly benefit from a demonstration, an experimental market (with e.g. a trusted third party substituted for the complex security that would be needed for a real system). Anybody want to help me code one up?”

http://web.archive.org/web/20120117011806/http://vaurum.com/



http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html

The most successful of the current crop of microcurrencies is GoldMoney, a 21st-century take on the oldest financial trick in the book.

When a retired Florida oncologist named Douglas Jackson launched the world’s first digital-gold currency in 1996—an online payment system fully backed by precious metal reserves and marketed under the brand name e-gold—he did not appear to be on the winning side of monetary history. Once upon a time, nearly a hundred years before, the gold standard reigned supreme: A dollar bill or a pound note or any other major currency was in those days just a marker for a fixed amount of government gold, redeemable at any time. But by the onset of the Depression, the economist John Maynard Keynes had declared the gold standard a “barbarous relic,” too crudely physical a form of money for the complex demands of modern economies. And by the century’s end, the multitrillion-dollar global money supply had long since shed its ties to gold or any other tangible asset in particular and now resided almost wholly in the digital circuitry of financial networks. Money had gone virtual, and reattaching it to gold made as much historical sense, it seemed, as instant-messaging by pigeon post.

[sherbyspark]

This can't be Satoshi.
The guy who started this technology to anonymize everything won't let anyone reveal himself.

He obviously didn't reveal himself. The newspapers and some study done in a university , claimed that he is probable satoshi because his writing style matched to that of the original paper by satoshi , and his writing style.
And we have had people do a bit of stupid things before  , like DPR using his real name to ask a programming question.

[cbeast]

Nick Szabo has as much chance of being Satoshi as the NYT has of being a relevant news source. Did I just say that out loud?

[Q7]

Well I read through the so-called statement and I would say it's not that convincing. It could be mere coincidence as we all know and in fact, it offered nothing new. Maybe more like an attempt to generate hype with some hidden agenda. Oh and they did mention that you have to buy the book to get more details right?

[Gleb Gamow]

Mr. Szabo himself has continued to be quietly involved in the work. In the beginning of 2014, Mr. Szabo joined Vaurum, a Bitcoin start-up based in Palo Alto, Calif., that was operating in stealth mode and that aimed to build a better Bitcoin exchange. After his arrival, Mr. Szabo helped reorient the company to take advantage of the Bitcoin software’s capability for so-called smart contracts, which enable self-executing financial transactions, according to people briefed on the company’s operations who spoke on condition of anonymity.

After Mr. Szabo led the company in a new direction, it was renamed Mirror, and it recently raised $12.5 million from several prominent venture capitalists, these people said. The company declined to comment for this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html


N S (nick szabo) is S N (satoshi nakamoto) in a mirror.

And that old anonymous blog post claiming textual analysis determined Szabo was Satoshi:

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

http://www.expatgomalaysia.com/2014/03/09/satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin-creator-identified/?utm_source=leapingpost.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=2014/03/09/satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin-creator-identified/&utm_campaign=leapingpostredirects

Who was the man (or woman) behind the pseudonym ‘Satoshi Nakamoto’? Never has a question caught the imagination of so many people around the world since the debate on the identity of the woman in Leonardo da Vinci’s Mona Lisa.

https://books.google.com/books?id=dRl1tkAh9P4C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=mona+lisa+mirror&source=bl&ots=fXNExyeh5F&sig=K1-Ne2sTpILmPXTjTa4HrPRsbEo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SQJXVeuqEouYsAXnxYGwBg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=mona%20lisa%20mirror&f=false

[Gleb Gamow]

Well I read through the so-called statement and I would say it's not that convincing. It could be mere coincidence as we all know and in fact, it offered nothing new. Maybe more like an attempt to generate hype with some hidden agenda. Oh and they did mention that you have to buy the book to get more details right?

There's more than enough details here: https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

[Gleb Gamow]

Would somebody be so kind and let me know if Sean Lavine and Adam B. Levine are related.

[Krang]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why can he not be satoshi? There are lots of similarities and if you do a bit of reading on Nick Szabo (another pseudonym) you will see it could very well be him

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/344omz/nick_szabo_google_search_image

Quote from: 'Szabo'

    In my limited experience creating Internet pseudonyms, I've been quite distracted by the continual need to avoid leaving pointers to my True Name lying around -- excess mail to/from my True Name, shared files, common peculiarities (eg misspellings in written text), traceable logins, etc. The penet.fi site explicitly maintains a list of pointers to the original address. All kinds of security controls -- crypto, access, information, inference -- have to be continually on my mind when using pseudonymous accounts. The hazards are everywhere. With our current tools it's practically impossible to maintain an active pseudonym for a long period of time against a sufficiently determined opponent, and quite a hassle to maintain even a modicum of decent security. Pointers to info and/or tools to enable the establishment and maintenance of a net.nym, beyond the standard cypherpunks PGP/remailer fare with which I'm now familiar, greatly appreciated. Especially nice would be a list of commercial net providers that allow pseudonymous accounts.

and

Quote from: 'Szabo'

    I've had several years to establish a net.reputation for "Nick Szabo", and it might take a long time for any of my pseudonyms to catch up. Altruistic sponsorship requires trusted friends knowing the True Name, but that public sponsorship itself provides important clues pointing to that Name.

[Dajve]

the overwhelming evidence that satoshi is british ( british spellings and grammer, plus british newspaper reference in genesis) always gets ignored when they try to convince people that satoshi is american.....

That's not really evidence. How do you know it's not just what he wants you to believe? If I was going to try conceal my identity I would try throw people off using different spellings or grammar or logging in at a different timezone etc and I'm not even half as smart as satoshi.

[Fedoraeuphoria]

My friend's dad's work colleague's sister's boyfriend's friend's cousin knows the real Satoshi.

[randy8777]

the overwhelming evidence that satoshi is british ( british spellings and grammer, plus british newspaper reference in genesis) always gets ignored when they try to convince people that satoshi is american.....

That's not really evidence. How do you know it's not just what he wants you to believe? If I was going to try conceal my identity I would try throw people off using different spellings or grammar or logging in at a different timezone etc and I'm not even half as smart as satoshi.

i agree. usually franky1 writes his posts very much to the point with great accuracy. i would expect him to have a different view on this and have a certain distance from articles. spelling and grammar are no indication of him being british.

[Searing]

Now they'll turn this guy's life upside down and in a couple months we'll have another big news calling someone else The Satoshi

that seems to be how you 'sell' the news these days

I particularly liked the FUD spread about the NASDAQ going to use the blockchain and bypass Bitcoin.....

there were clarifications on that article that NASDAQ was ..if they did this ...likely going to use the large bitcoin network and colored coin option


no retraction of the big banner headlines that NASDAQ was only going to use the blockchain and bypass bitcoin


but then again the next big story will be NASDAQ  WILL use bitcoin ..etc etc....

see 2 or 3x the papers for the same story if you just don't tell the complete story and just the 'proper' amount of misdirection to keep them buying

[tokeweed]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

[Kyraishi]

I always wonder how much BTC he would have mined in good times

It's been said that he mined over 1M coins but one can never be certain of that because many people mined together with Satoshi from the start stage.
Hal Finney (God rest his blessed soul) being one of them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

When Satoshi announced the first release of the software, I grabbed it right away. I think I was the first person besides Satoshi to run bitcoin. I mined block 70-something,

[Searing]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick."  

yeah that would be the quickest way for him to get out of this ..just say he is Satoshi...then on the other hand Satoshi just may think
that is a wonderful idea to stay hidden and might not say zip....

to tell you the truth I'd love to meet satoshi and know it was him just to hang out and talk....i'm 90% likely never to squeal (an offer of natalie portman as a girfriend i may buckle) but in that no one would belove me anyway..in that I am just a normal joe....even if i did know...would not be that hard a secret to keep..especially in that no one would believe me anyway!

[TheGame]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

Wasn't that just a hacked account and not actually satoshi? Doubt he would come out of the woodwork to deny everytime someone is accused of being him.

[Kyraishi]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

[tokeweed]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

So that means he's Dorian?

[Kyraishi]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

So that means he's Dorian?

That is a very strong possibility 
You never know.
He might as well be Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto 

[chek2fire]

And who is Nick Szabo? Oκ the editor of nyt meet a guy with a beard that he introduce himself like Nick Szabo. But is this the real name of this person? Take a look at this email of cypherpunk community

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/10/msg00759.html

and especially this

In my limited experience creating Internet pseudonyms, I've been quite
distracted by the continual need to avoid leaving pointers to my
True Name lying around -- excess mail to/from my True Name, shared
files, common peculiarities (eg misspellings in written text), traceable
logins, etc.

Another big problem I see with pseudonymous reputations
is entry.  If most people are blocking posts from new pseudonyms, how
does one get a new reputation established?   I've had several years
to establish a net.reputation for "Nick Szabo", and it
might take a long time for any of my pseudonyms to catch up. 

I think to find who is really behind the name of Satoshi Nakamoto is like a trip to a cyber rabbit hole. In my opinion Satoshi is not from USA but from Europe. The time pattern of his posts says that/

[defcon23]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick."  

LMAO !   you made my day man ! 

[tokeweed]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

So that means he's Dorian?

That is a very strong possibility 
You never know.
He might as well be Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto 

Yes.  So when the reporters ask "Did you invent Bitcoin?", he'd say "Satoshi's my middle name, bitch."

[chek2fire]

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

[Amph]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

Wasn't that just a hacked account and not actually satoshi? Doubt he would come out of the woodwork to deny everytime someone is accused of being him.

and if he want to stay anon, better to not do it, i don't think he even care about all this

[Kprawn]

Well, if Nick is Satoshi, I would deny it till the end of time.... You only need to look at what happened to Dorian, and stay way clear of any acknowledgement that it is true.

The media circus got crazy, for a while...

Nick might have crossed paths with the real Satoshi, with the interest they have in cryptography and Nick's ideas with Bit gold.

[1Referee]

Whoever the media points out to be potentially Satoshi Nakamoto will always be just to create sensation. Nothing more.

We have to live with the fact that we will/may never know who he really is. And to be honest, I don't care. Bitcoin is here. That's all we need.

[belmonty]

Whoever the media points out to be potentially Satoshi Nakamoto will always be just to create sensation. Nothing more.

We have to live with the fact that we will/may never know who he really is. And to be honest, I don't care. Bitcoin is here. That's all we need.

Szabo publicly stated he is not Satoshi. He will probably sue whoever wrote the book because of all the unwanted publicity he gets from it. I doubt there will be anything in it that conclusively proves he is Satoshi. In fact I bet there is more useful information here on bitcointalk than you could ever find in that book. The author(s) probably picked a few pieces of information off this forum and padded them out with a load of waffle into a whole book.

[Bagatell]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

So that means he's Dorian?

That is a very strong possibility 
You never know.
He might as well be Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto 

Yes.  So when the reporters ask "Did you invent Bitcoin?", he'd say "Satoshi's my middle name, bitch."

And where can we find your sister Lydia, Mr. Nakamoto?

[johnyj]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire 

[Bagatell]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire 

It's probably because of what happened to that guy that Satoshi did what he did.

[Bitcoin_BOy$]

Hi , I don't think this is Satoshi many people claimed that they're Satoshi Nakamoto
by the way if its Satoshi can you ask him why he didn't sold any coins from his wallet .

Bitcoin Boy .

[redsn0w]

Now they will start to search who is "Nick Szabo". I have found an interesting thread :


- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576397.0;all
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8602.0



The best post  :

Who is Satoshi Nakamato? ==> Who is Nick Szabo? ==> Who is ___ ?

How far are you prepared to go down that rabbit hole? I think a common level of protection is 7 abstraction layers of proxies. Good luck Alice.

[QuestionAuthority]

Satoshi was last seen in a gay bathhouse in San Francisco's Castro district.

[sherbyspark]

Now they will start to search who is "Nick Szabo". I have found an interesting thread :


- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576397.0;all
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8602.0

I didn't know there was actually chatter about him  being Satoshi an year back .
Founds a couple videos this morning too about speculation about him being Satoshi. Also seems a lot of the people have been talking about the similarity in writing styles in that thread as well. Don't see why did this become a big news just today then.

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

This is just another pretend proof history to search newpapers with juicy headlines, just like they did with Dorian Nakamoto, that poor man.
Thankfully, any press is good press, so let them do their thing.

[BillyBobZorton]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why can he not be satoshi? There are lots of similarities and if you do a bit of reading on Nick Szabo (another pseudonym) you will see it could very well be him

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/344omz/nick_szabo_google_search_image

Quote from: 'Szabo'

    In my limited experience creating Internet pseudonyms, I've been quite distracted by the continual need to avoid leaving pointers to my True Name lying around -- excess mail to/from my True Name, shared files, common peculiarities (eg misspellings in written text), traceable logins, etc. The penet.fi site explicitly maintains a list of pointers to the original address. All kinds of security controls -- crypto, access, information, inference -- have to be continually on my mind when using pseudonymous accounts. The hazards are everywhere. With our current tools it's practically impossible to maintain an active pseudonym for a long period of time against a sufficiently determined opponent, and quite a hassle to maintain even a modicum of decent security. Pointers to info and/or tools to enable the establishment and maintenance of a net.nym, beyond the standard cypherpunks PGP/remailer fare with which I'm now familiar, greatly appreciated. Especially nice would be a list of commercial net providers that allow pseudonymous accounts.

and

Quote from: 'Szabo'

    I've had several years to establish a net.reputation for "Nick Szabo", and it might take a long time for any of my pseudonyms to catch up. Altruistic sponsorship requires trusted friends knowing the True Name, but that public sponsorship itself provides important clues pointing to that Name.

Why not? simple, because we do not have any proof beyond speculation. We are free to speculate, but there's an specific board to do so in this forum.

[Gleb Gamow]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

Or, he'll come out of the proverbial closet and declare he is, whereupon we'll anoint him Saint Nick.

[coinableS]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

Or, he'll come out of the proverbial closet and declare he is, whereupon we'll anoint him Saint Nick.

Whoa  mind blown! Best gift ever is from saint nick!

[jyakulis]

Eh probably better it's someone with credentials. Reckon they'd be sorely disappointed in me if Maria ever comes out of her hole and shows her hand.

[Gleb Gamow]

As soon as the media get hold of Szabo...  Satoshi will post a signed message, "I am not Nick." 

OR (most likely) he wont do anything and let them think that Nick is him.
That way nobody will bother with him again 

So that means he's Dorian?

That is a very strong possibility 
You never know.
He might as well be Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto 

Yes.  So when the reporters ask "Did you invent Bitcoin?", he'd say "Satoshi's my middle name, bitch."

And where can we find your sister Lydia, Mr. Nakamoto?

Taxin' my memory, I had to do a lot of diggin' months ago to located Nick's brother in Ohio. Not linking here, but info on this forum.

[Gleb Gamow]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire  

To be clear, are you referencing the guy who truly invented it, or simply published the white paper on the P2P torch-passing scheme, forgetting to credit the earliest known passing dude in the footnote references who was likely at most Sabretooth BBQ outings together?

[jyakulis]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire  

To be clear, are you referencing the guy who truly invented it, or simply published the white paper on the P2P torch-passing scheme, forgetting to credit the earliest known passing dude in the footnote references who was likely at most BBQ sabretooth outings together.

I'd like to point out in the white paper. Satoshi refers to "himself" as "we".

[Gleb Gamow]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire  

To be clear, are you referencing the guy who truly invented it, or simply published the white paper on the P2P torch-passing scheme, forgetting to credit the earliest known passing dude in the footnote references who was likely at most BBQ sabretooth outings together?

I'd like to point out in the white paper. Satoshi refers to "himself" as "we".

That point is not important. Most everybody does the same thing when it comes to tech papers, et al. The same true when one starts a website solo but comes across as more than one person are behind the scenes. It's a common practice.

[redsn0w]

Now they will start to search who is "Nick Szabo". I have found an interesting thread :


- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576397.0;all
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8602.0

I didn't know there was actually chatter about him  being Satoshi an year back .
Founds a couple videos this morning too about speculation about him being Satoshi. Also seems a lot of the people have been talking about the similarity in writing styles in that thread as well. Don't see why did this become a big news just today then.

Satoshi Namaoto used a lot of styles when he posted here in the forum, so it is near  impossible to determine a real "style".

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire 

To be clear, are you referencing the guy who truly invented it, or simply published the white paper on the P2P torch-passing scheme, forgetting to credit the earliest known passing dude in the footnote references who was likely at most BBQ sabretooth outings together?

I'd like to point out in the white paper. Satoshi refers to "himself" as "we".

That point is not important. Most everybody does the same thing when it comes to tech papers, et al. The same true when one starts a website solo but comes across as more than one person are behind the scenes. It's a common practice.

We it is to be considered (maybe) also like a form of respect, not the "we" of majority (more than one person). However it is also a common practice to make all the text more 'strong'.

[Bagatell]

I'd like to point out in the white paper. Satoshi refers to "himself" as "we".

The seven modes of Satoshi.

[jyakulis]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire  

To be clear, are you referencing the guy who truly invented it, or simply published the white paper on the P2P torch-passing scheme, forgetting to credit the earliest known passing dude in the footnote references who was likely at most BBQ sabretooth outings together?

I'd like to point out in the white paper. Satoshi refers to "himself" as "we".

That point is not important. Most everybody does the same thing when it comes to tech papers, et al. The same true when one starts a website solo but comes across as more than one person are behind the scenes. It's a common practice.

Yeah, I and we is common practice in tech papers. What technical papers are you reading.

[bitbollo]

Probably it's impossible that there is only one man behind btc, but probably there is a "group" of man...
And maybe Szabo is one of the group  

[Gleb Gamow]

so it seems my theory that its just a dead drop site for mail, was correct.  340 lemon is the address of the company called "virtualpostmail" who act as a mail forwarding service

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Walnut/obtr-llc/138556560.aspx

The same guy owns...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offbeatr

Offbeatr is a US website for crowdfunding pornography. It has been described as “Kickstarter for porn”. Project creators post pitches for new projects. Projects may be media, events or objects. The user community gets to vote on projects. If a project gets enough votes, it’s open for funding. If a project meets its goal, then the project creator gets the funds. Users must be 18 years of age or older. Project creators can also sell previously created material. Projects must be based in either United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, France, Australia, or New Zealand.

The commonly available platforms by Amazon payment and PayPal do not allow payment for pornography. Offbeatr was launched in August 2012 by the Los Angeles based start-up Extra Lunch Money. As of August 2012 it had a team of five and was self-funded.

As of February 14, 2013, over $70,000 in pledges had been funded in seven projects, mostly relating to furry fandom.

I guess that last sentence sums up why so many Bitcoiners flock to using 340 S Lemon, Walnut, CA, as their mailing address oppose to their local USPS-esque services. Hell, even Bitcoin Magazine uses it, so it has to be the hip thing to do.

[pereira4]

Journalists get everything wrong. "This random dude is Satoshi Nakamoto, NASDAQ will use blockchain but not Bitcoin..." and so on and so on. Those guys always get it backwards.

[Morecoin Freeman]

I know bitcoin is created by 2 people: an American and an Englishman.

[Gleb Gamow]

FYI: Looks like I had a very important post removed from this thread and I was NOT notified via PM about its removal. I'd say something's afoot.

[Gleb Gamow]

Here's another tidbit:

Which thread's post are indexed via Google?

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1062611.0 <-- Started today!

or

2. Posts in this thread penned yesterday, none of which penned today are indexed.

Careful, now! It may be a trick question.

This post brought to you by a dude that had an important post deleted penned on this thread today. Again, I wasn't notified via a PM of its removal.

[HI-TEC99]

Here's another tidbit:

Which thread's post are indexed via Google?

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1062611.0 <-- Started today!

or

2. Posts in this thread penned yesterday, none of which penned today are indexed.

Careful, now! It may be a trick question.

This post brought to you by a dude that had an important post deleted penned on this thread today. Again, I wasn't notified via a PM of its removal.

Bitcointalk was briefly offline a few hours ago, so there might be a time delay between the post's removal and you being notified. Maybe offline time interferes with the system somehow. There must be a massive load on it with all the posts it gets. Most other forums would crash under bitcointalk's normal load.

[Gleb Gamow]

Here's another tidbit:

Which thread's post are indexed via Google?

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1062611.0 <-- Started today!

or

2. Posts in this thread penned yesterday, none of which penned today are indexed.

Careful, now! It may be a trick question.

This post brought to you by a dude that had an important post deleted penned on this thread today. Again, I wasn't notified via a PM of its removal.

Bitcointalk was briefly offline a few hours ago, so there might be a time delay between the post's removal and you being notified. Maybe offline time interferes with the system somehow. There must be a massive load on it with all the posts it gets. Most other forums would crash under bitcointalk's normal load.

The post in question was up prior to BCT being offline. There were even comments made after I posted it.

[Gleb Gamow]

More from 340 S Lemon, Walnut, Ca.

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[Moebius327]

Edited: People should respect the privacy of other people..

[kendog77]

I think the NY Times nailed this story. Nick Szabo is exactly the type of guy I would expect to be Satoshi.

He's wicked smart, not the least bit materialistic, unassuming, was around in the beginning, has a libertarian mind-set, and managed to stay below the radar since 2011 despite still being involved in the Bitcoin scene.

[Alley]

Now 50 different people need to come forward claiming to be sotashi and say prove me wrong.  That'll throw a wrench in things.

[Gleb Gamow]

Now 50 different people need to come forward claiming to be sotashi and say prove me wrong.  That'll throw a wrench in things.

"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
[...]

[umairsaleem]

I know bitcoin is created by 2 people: an American and an Englishman.

It's said that Satoshi Nakamoto is a Japanese name so that Japanese is the people who created Bitcoin. But it doesn;t matter. I;m curious that why's Satoshi hiding?

[redsn0w]

I know bitcoin is created by 2 people: an American and an Englishman.

It's said that Satoshi Nakamoto is a Japanese name so that Japanese is the people who created Bitcoin. But it doesn;t matter. I;m curious that why's Satoshi hiding?

why is Satoshi hiding? Simple, he has created something that can 'break' all the economic system and you are asking why he is hiding his real identity? The japanese name doesn't mean that japanese is the people who created bitcoin (most probable he like the japanese culture and 'system' , but it is just my personal opinion).

[Searing]

Journalists get everything wrong. "This random dude is Satoshi Nakamoto, NASDAQ will use blockchain but not Bitcoin..." and so on and so on. Those guys always get it backwards.

Be warned below off on a RANT!!!!

you have been warned feel free to put me on /ignore I don't mind.....hell I don't even know you or vice versa...



again imho the press does this EXACTLY THIS WAY to get more eyeballs on sites and/or sell papers or TV or whatever....

think of it this way....

the NASDAQ story that most press ran with that you could use the blockchain  and get around the pesky bitcoin stuff......all over the place....

the next day or so it was pointed out that NASDAQ was using a color coin option to test stuff and was the bitcoin network and such btc as a method
to pay such miners of that network because that IS  the elephant in the room network .ie blockchain.....

NADA.... no retractions I could see ......a few small corrections on tech blogs ..but nothing picked up like the 1st big bombshell reporting of the above

but think about it

say that NASDAQ does another test and now the press can clam.....or about saying that a whole new story...that NASDAQ is incorporating the bitcoin network
even MORE eyeballs/sites/papers/tv  etc

NOW you have TWO major stories pushing eyeballs to your site.........based on rumor....more or less from what I can tell

I expect the THIRD option to pop up next that NASDAQ will make its own network/coin/exchange etc to get around bitcoin

you could repeat stories on this theme with  a little bit of tweaking and no facts at all till the end of the year...it is not like NASDAQ is really telling anyone
what they are doing....they want to keep some competive advantage.....

Same with NICK as Satoshi

1st the NY times says it is likely him

then controversy.......

then someone else


the a mysterious group of someones (hackers! ack!)

then the NSA (ack!)

then no we were wrong on stiring up further FUD we find from (ex-girlfriends..landlords......dry cleaners or whatever usually for $$$) he is an evil genius and
is romatically involved with hamsters...

no we were wrong he is a saint among men ..forget the hamsters...

sh*t I'm probably writing the press's stories on this and will be the source of all hamster inuendo for poor Nick...(ack!)

the founder of bitcoin is the perfect method to move the press....they call him innovator/hacker/personal interest story/ who he is/ what is  he up to...what if he sold all his coin
at the same time ..the list is endless

as far as the press is concerned ..they could not have invented anything more perfect to and easy (lazy) for then bitcoin to speculate about ....poor Nick the
more he protests the more he is gonna be hounded..until the next guy they turn their attention on as the story on Nick does not gain traction

hell .....for the story about Leocoin being the 2nd largest coin ..it was a case of LAZY reporting in that Leocoin did some hyped up press release and some miner
papers took up the link and within a day it was taken up by all the major news outlets as fact

http://www.cbronline.com/news/enterprise-it/it-services/leocoin-roars-into-digital-currrency-market-4539862

no harm no foul.....even made up news .....works so I doubt anyone got in any real trouble over Leocoin web page hits were up....people googled into your press site...and for most the retraction did not happen till at least a couple days  later...and it to was kinda buried

expect more of this...it is just do damn easy just to link all the other FUD and such to your site no matter if it is correct or not...and move eyeballs and yelling SCAM
or FAILURE is gonna sell a lot more papers any correct facts........and if you are really really quiet about any retractions or real facts....you can keep this ball
rolling a LONG time.......I myself am expecting the next big press story to be that Bitcoin is being directed by a CABAL of folk that call them selves Satoshi Nakamoto
and that ....er wait never mind ..that has already been done with the BITCOIN FOUNDATION so ...i should correct this to say the next story will be about the newly
absolved and improved bitcoin foundation of its evil ways...

sheesh....I long for Dan Wallace on 60 min TV show doing REAL reporting and making people cry about their crimes on national TV....sure you went their and the
Advertisements sold you stuff...but at least you were kinda educated about uncomfortable stuff ....now the purpose of he press seems to keep you confused
so you keep coming back to their NEWEST psuedo events....facts be damned

er....end of RANT

[franky1]

gleb:

you are going to find 9000 businesses linked to "340 lemon".. try a different path to your research, otherwise you'll just get into a pickle trying to convice people that satoshi is also someone:
who made a dog toilet (patch of grass on a pallet which can be placed inside peoples apartments, so they dont have to take animals outside)
who sells scarf's
who is involved in real estate
who is involved in corporate acquisition

also 657 social security cheats use that address to get their social security mail delivered there
http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/search/340+S+Lemon+Ave,+Walnut+CA+91789

as i said its a virtual mailbox address

[HI-TEC99]

gleb:

you are going to find 9000 businesses linked to "340 lemon".. try a different path to your research, otherwise you'll just get into a pickle trying to convice people that satoshi is also someone:
who made a dog toilet (patch of grass on a pallet which can be placed inside peoples apartments, so they dont have to take animals outside)
who sells scarf's
who is involved in real estate
who is involved in corporate acquisition

also 657 social security cheats use that address to get their social security mail delivered there
http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/search/340+S+Lemon+Ave,+Walnut+CA+91789

as i said its a virtual mailbox address

Virtualpostmail.com says that address is their office where customers can have their mail delivered to. As franky1 says, there will be thousands of companies using that as their mailing address. Check out the informaton from the virtualpostmail.com site below.

http://www.virtualpostmail.com/help/faq-shipping-delivery-package-forwarding

I’m going to be in the area, can I pick up my mail?

Yes, you are more than welcome to pick up your mail! In order to have it ready for you, we request that you submit a “pickup order” at least half a day in advance. Simply create a shipment as you normally would for forwarding. For the destination address, use:

Pick Up
340 S Lemon Ave
Walnut, CA 91789

As we’re not a retail but an office/warehouse, we are not open to the general public. So you must call us or send us an email ahead of time to make an appointment between the hours of 10AM and 4PM on Mondays – Fridays (excluding holidays) for pick up. Then drop by any time around the appointed time to pick up your shipment. Although we do not charge for shipping, we do charge a slight handling fee of $0.15 /mail piece and $1.50 / package.

[shulio]

I know bitcoin is created by 2 people: an American and an Englishman.

It's said that Satoshi Nakamoto is a Japanese name so that Japanese is the people who created Bitcoin. But it doesn;t matter. I;m curious that why's Satoshi hiding?

why is Satoshi hiding? Simple, he has created something that can 'break' all the economic system and you are asking why he is hiding his real identity? The japanese name doesn't mean that japanese is the people who created bitcoin (most probable he like the japanese culture and 'system' , but it is just my personal opinion).

Could be that he is really japanese. He had no idea ofcourse that bitcoin will be popular like today and it will harm the economic system and he must have not thought of it before of hiding in a fake name so my assumption that he is Japanese

Nick Szabo has a twitter account linked in his blog:

http://unenumerated.blogspot.de/2014/07/tweeting.html#links

https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4

It seems he is pretty active at retweeting stuff..

Seems not the like the satoshi I read because from what I read that he is a quiet guy and Nick is different guy from what I read, could be that he is not satoshi but is involved

[Rampion]

What surprises me is how long it took for them to publish the Nick Szabo theory:

On the contrary, Nick Szabo (Nakamoto Satoshi) fits incredibly well. It is painfully obvious that Nick is one of the main (if not THE main) inspirators of Satoshi's work. Again: Nick was the inventor of the "smart contracts" concept and he developed extensive work on blockchain-like decentralized ledgers; his bit-gold is simply "bitcoin beta", but he is not even cited as a reference on the Bitcoin whitepaper - the only plausible reason for such ommission is again, OPSEC/compartimentalization. Similarly, Szabo almost never wrote about Bitcoin, despite it is clearly the system he has been writing about from 1996 to 2005. Every question to Szabo about BTC is duly ignored, he just wrote/commented about Bitcoin once after many questions, even if it clearly is the realization of years of his work. Additionally, the last paper on e-currency he wrote was published in 2005, and his very last comment on that matter (which was a central part of his work for at least 9 years) was published on his blog in 2008, shortly before the bitcoin paper was published.

Given the above and other many factors (similarity in writing style and political views, etc.) I give 75% chance that NS is SN. This obviously doesn't mean I want Nick to be "outed": privacy is a fundamental right that should never be taken away for anybody.

[BTCat]

You are all wrong with your guesses.

But no worry I will tell who he is.

It is Nick Szabo. There I said it and take all the credit for finding him. No one guessed it before yet now prove me wrong.
A book is coming soon so everyone go pre-order and bring me revenues.

[redsn0w]

You are all wrong with your guesses.

But no worry I will tell who he is.

It is Nick Szabo. There I said it and take all the credit for finding him. No one guessed it before yet now prove me wrong.
A book is coming soon so everyone go pre-order and bring me revenues.

It is.... I think you wanted to say "He is" or are you thinking that Satoshi Nakamoto is a "thing" a machine, hardware or computer? We are waiting the book, and remember to sold it only for bitcoin!

[tokeweed]

Now 50 different people need to come forward claiming to be sotashi and say prove me wrong.  That'll throw a wrench in things.

"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
[...]

[Xialla]

this witch hunt will never stopped until real satoshi will raise his hand..omg

[Searing]

this witch hunt will never stopped until real satoshi will raise his hand..omg

it is a press man's dream..they can beat up bitcoin/hacker/mysteryman/and fud bitcoin forever..not to mention the 'evil genius' theory
of Satoshi of an 'evil hacker' to sell papers they trot out once in awhile.....in his bid to ..not sure what his bid was...but you get the drift on how to sell papers
via yellow journalism....

yeah bitcoin the frigging Kadasians  of crypto.....(sh*t you are right this is gonna not only get awful it will stay awful till the last btc is mined imho...)

yea....a never ending circus.....I am very impressed that Satoshi saw this 'zoo' coming and hid out.....and he sure has no incentive now to show his
face.....

he who lives to run away ...lives to ...well hell ..live his frigging live NORMAL another day....not enough money in the world if I was him to fess up to really being satoshi and going public

hell..if anything it is probably WORSE then he thought when he decided to go dark on his identity......in the first place....


sheesh

[Amph]

Now 50 different people need to come forward claiming to be sotashi and say prove me wrong.  That'll throw a wrench in things.

i thought the burden of proof is in who make the claim not the contrary

but my question is, does it really matter who is satoshi? is this whole thing about hunting satoshi done only for his treasure of 1M bitcoin taking into account that he didn't lost the key or whatever

[jubalix]

at this point the real satoshi could stand/go public up and no enough people would not believe it is him.

[Gleb Gamow]

You are all wrong with your guesses.

But no worry I will tell who he is.

It is Nick Szabo. There I said it and take all the credit for finding him. No one guessed it before yet now prove me wrong.
A book is coming soon so everyone go pre-order and bring me revenues.

Let me guess its title: Satoshi in Two Weeks.

EDIT (not fake): After posting this, it occurred to me that that's not really a bad idea for a book title encompassing some Bitcoin-theme events.

[Gleb Gamow]

Now 50 different people need to come forward claiming to be sotashi and say prove me wrong.  That'll throw a wrench in things.

"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
"I am Satoshi!"
[...]

this witch hunt will never stopped until real satoshi will raise his hand..omg

"WFT! I count 42 Satoshis pretending to be me."

[Gleb Gamow]

gleb:

you are going to find 9000 businesses linked to "340 lemon".. try a different path to your research, otherwise you'll just get into a pickle trying to convice people that satoshi is also someone:
who made a dog toilet (patch of grass on a pallet which can be placed inside peoples apartments, so they dont have to take animals outside)
who sells scarf's
who is involved in real estate
who is involved in corporate acquisition

also 657 social security cheats use that address to get their social security mail delivered there
http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/search/340+S+Lemon+Ave,+Walnut+CA+91789

as i said its a virtual mailbox address

Virtualpostmail.com says that address is their office where customers can have their mail delivered to. As franky1 says, there will be thousands of companies using that as their mailing address. Check out the informaton from the virtualpostmail.com site below.

http://www.virtualpostmail.com/help/faq-shipping-delivery-package-forwarding

I’m going to be in the area, can I pick up my mail?

Yes, you are more than welcome to pick up your mail! In order to have it ready for you, we request that you submit a “pickup order” at least half a day in advance. Simply create a shipment as you normally would for forwarding. For the destination address, use:

Pick Up
340 S Lemon Ave
Walnut, CA 91789

As we’re not a retail but an office/warehouse, we are not open to the general public. So you must call us or send us an email ahead of time to make an appointment between the hours of 10AM and 4PM on Mondays – Fridays (excluding holidays) for pick up. Then drop by any time around the appointed time to pick up your shipment. Although we do not charge for shipping, we do charge a slight handling fee of $0.15 /mail piece and $1.50 / package.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA! Go and pick up your mail there.

I'm goin' make you guys work for this next tidbit. Go to Google Maps and zoom the street view to see the name of the business literally next door. It's plastered on the side of the building.

Oh, then use Google to discover who owns the entire building.

[HI-TEC99]

gleb:

you are going to find 9000 businesses linked to "340 lemon".. try a different path to your research, otherwise you'll just get into a pickle trying to convice people that satoshi is also someone:
who made a dog toilet (patch of grass on a pallet which can be placed inside peoples apartments, so they dont have to take animals outside)
who sells scarf's
who is involved in real estate
who is involved in corporate acquisition

also 657 social security cheats use that address to get their social security mail delivered there
http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/search/340+S+Lemon+Ave,+Walnut+CA+91789

as i said its a virtual mailbox address

Virtualpostmail.com says that address is their office where customers can have their mail delivered to. As franky1 says, there will be thousands of companies using that as their mailing address. Check out the informaton from the virtualpostmail.com site below.

http://www.virtualpostmail.com/help/faq-shipping-delivery-package-forwarding

I’m going to be in the area, can I pick up my mail?

Yes, you are more than welcome to pick up your mail! In order to have it ready for you, we request that you submit a “pickup order” at least half a day in advance. Simply create a shipment as you normally would for forwarding. For the destination address, use:

Pick Up
340 S Lemon Ave
Walnut, CA 91789

As we’re not a retail but an office/warehouse, we are not open to the general public. So you must call us or send us an email ahead of time to make an appointment between the hours of 10AM and 4PM on Mondays – Fridays (excluding holidays) for pick up. Then drop by any time around the appointed time to pick up your shipment. Although we do not charge for shipping, we do charge a slight handling fee of $0.15 /mail piece and $1.50 / package.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA! Go and pick up your mail there.

I'm goin' make you guys work for this next tidbit. Go to Google Maps and zoom the street view to see the name of the business literally next door. It's plastered on the side of the building.

Oh, then use Google to discover who owns the entire building.

I can't because the sun keeps getting in my eyes.



What's the name of the business next door, and who owns it? I'm finding it extremely difficult to work out which building is 340. Google street view is often a little hazy on which number a particular building is.

[Gleb Gamow]

340 S. Lemon faces Paseo Del Prado. The CCTV entity is in the building next door (originally thought it was in the same building) with a clear shot of anybody entering into mailing address.

[yampi]

May I have your attention please?

Will the real satoshi nakamoto please stand up?

[redsn0w]

May I have your attention please?

Will the real satoshi nakamoto please stand up?

Why should he stand up and say he is not "Nick Szabo" (another pseudonym for a not-well known person)? I remember he wrote on  p2pfoundation site " I am not Dorian" because the journalists were ruining his life (of Satoshi Dorian Nakamoto) but now?

[Gleb Gamow]

I didn't know that Nick's brother, Frank, was part of this: https://whoisology.com/archive_4/galtsgulchinchile.net

Name   David Cobin
Org.   -
Email     freedomorchard@gmail.com
Street 1   Camino El Alba 9176
Street 2   -
City   Santiago  (37,452)
Region   Las Condes  (416)
Zip / Post   7591373  (7)
Country   CHILE  (42,016)
Phone   56560994127853

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freedomorchard%40gmail.com

David Cobin does not correspond with that email address, but Frank does: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-szabo/61/91/b1a

WTF! https://ounce.me/blog/libertarian-paradise-or-just-another-bitcoin-scam/

https://vergellibertad.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/we-are-not-galts-gulch-chile/



https://whoisology.com/name/archive_4/david+cobin



Glad that was cleared up.  

[Eastfist]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

[Gleb Gamow]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

[Morecoin Freeman]

The investigation continues...

Why bother looking for some people who clearly don't want to be found. Show some respect.

[redsn0w]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

[Gleb Gamow]

The investigation continues...

Why bother looking for some people who clearly don't want to be found. Show some respect.

I took the liberty and added an image to your post.

[Eastfist]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

LOL. And Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto is also his real name. So Nick Szabo is also his real name. But none of them are the real Satoshi Nakamoto. LOL. No, this deserves a double LOL, a DLOL.

[Gleb Gamow]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

LOL. And Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto is also his real name. So Nick Szabo is also his real name. But none of them are the real Satoshi Nakamoto. LOL. No, this deserves a double LOL, a DLOL.

I call your DLOL and take you further down the Flemish Rabbit Hole.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229315.msg2412906#msg2412906

After reviewing the comments, thread and discussing the notion of a p2p exchange with many in this community alongside the recent events with Liberty Reserve and MtGox, it is clear a P2P exchange needs to be developed to ensure the long term survival of all cryptocurrencies. There seems to be a great deal of innovation and different approaches to building a P2P exchange thus I think it is prudent to aggregate those actively working on an exchange into a single project for the purposes of collaborative innovation, funding, brainstorming and also reducing needless replication.

I call this Project Invictus. Over the coming weeks, I'll develop a website and forum for it as well as a mailing list. Until then, I'd love for anyone interested in joining to express their desire here and PM me their contact information. I'm also open to ideas about how the project should be structured and the specific set of goals we should have. Here is my crude first attempt:

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Invictus-Group,-LLC-515-745-4500



http://www.veteranownedbusiness.com/business/11525/ifundraisingcom



https://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-szabo/8/6a9/475

Very interesting thread that contained some discussions
comparing the benefits of the Bitshares platform with the NXT platform ..
Several NXTers made comments ( you know who you are   ) ..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664146.0

Just thought others might want to read and comment ( from about the 5th page on ) ..

As I understand it, a position in  Bitshares-PTS ( Old Protoshares )
entitles the holder to a minimum 10% participation in any subsequent DAC
developed/released by the Bitshares/Invictus group/entity ..

[franky1]

gleb.. you are jumping to conclusions before backing them up with deeper research..

it's almost like confusing bitcoin with bitjam..., or bitcoin.com with bitcoin.org

ifundraise and ifundraising are 2 separate entities..

also the address "3105 se keystone drive grimes iowa" is yet another address redirect..

the links between the two are so weak i can actually see how your mind grabbed one handful of straws and how you came to the other handful of straws.. but instead of just googling randome names till you get a match. atleast check they are the right match..

somehow last year i thought your research was in depth.. this year it seems your more interested in posting stuff to provoke discussion without double checking research....

i guess that happens when your comedical posting 'Gleb' pseudo takes over all your time, compared to your other pseudo's that used to have more substance

[Gleb Gamow]

gleb.. you are jumping to conclusions before backing them up with deeper research..

it's almost like confusing bitcoin with bitjam..., or bitcoin.com with bitcoin.org

ifundraise and ifundraising are 2 separate entities..

also the address "3105 se keystone drive grimes iowa" is yet another address redirect..

the links between the two are so weak i can actually see how your mind grabbed one handful of straws and how you came to the other handful of straws.. but instead of just googling randome names till you get a match. atleast check they are the right match..

somehow last year i thought your research was in depth.. this year it seems your more interested in posting stuff to provoke discussion without double checking research....

i guess that happens when your comedical posting 'Gleb' pseudo takes over all your time, compared to your other pseudo's that used to have more substance

Frank, you're tryin' to trick me to search this forum to see if you've ever mentioned rabbits before. 

[Gleb Gamow]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

LOL. And Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto is also his real name. So Nick Szabo is also his real name. But none of them are the real Satoshi Nakamoto. LOL. No, this deserves a double LOL, a DLOL.

I call your DLOL and take you further down the Flemish Rabbit Hole.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229315.msg2412906#msg2412906

After reviewing the comments, thread and discussing the notion of a p2p exchange with many in this community alongside the recent events with Liberty Reserve and MtGox, it is clear a P2P exchange needs to be developed to ensure the long term survival of all cryptocurrencies. There seems to be a great deal of innovation and different approaches to building a P2P exchange thus I think it is prudent to aggregate those actively working on an exchange into a single project for the purposes of collaborative innovation, funding, brainstorming and also reducing needless replication.

I call this Project Invictus. Over the coming weeks, I'll develop a website and forum for it as well as a mailing list. Until then, I'd love for anyone interested in joining to express their desire here and PM me their contact information. I'm also open to ideas about how the project should be structured and the specific set of goals we should have. Here is my crude first attempt:

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Invictus-Group,-LLC-515-745-4500



http://www.veteranownedbusiness.com/business/11525/ifundraisingcom



https://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-szabo/8/6a9/475

Very interesting thread that contained some discussions
comparing the benefits of the Bitshares platform with the NXT platform ..
Several NXTers made comments ( you know who you are   ) ..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664146.0

Just thought others might want to read and comment ( from about the 5th page on ) ..

As I understand it, a position in  Bitshares-PTS ( Old Protoshares )
entitles the holder to a minimum 10% participation in any subsequent DAC
developed/released by the Bitshares/Invictus group/entity ..

http://web.archive.org/web/20130705181233/http://ifundraise.ca/index.php/about/



Looks like I nailed it! 

[crazyearner]

Am guessing satoshi will come and clear all the debates up one day on who he really is. Then again could just keep the big debate going on who he really is same going for his original developers they know who satoshi is so why they not come out the works and said something maybe because they all wanted privacy on who's who at end of the day.

[HI-TEC99]

.......

I call your DLOL and take you further down the Flemish Rabbit Hole.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229315.msg2412906#msg2412906

After reviewing the comments, thread and discussing the notion of a p2p exchange with many in this community alongside the recent events with Liberty Reserve and MtGox, it is clear a P2P exchange needs to be developed to ensure the long term survival of all cryptocurrencies. There seems to be a great deal of innovation and different approaches to building a P2P exchange thus I think it is prudent to aggregate those actively working on an exchange into a single project for the purposes of collaborative innovation, funding, brainstorming and also reducing needless replication.

I call this Project Invictus. Over the coming weeks, I'll develop a website and forum for it as well as a mailing list. Until then, I'd love for anyone interested in joining to express their desire here and PM me their contact information. I'm also open to ideas about how the project should be structured and the specific set of goals we should have. Here is my crude first attempt:

......

A screenshot of that post reveals the author to be a bitcointalk hero member called charleshoskinson. He claims to be Director of the Bitcoin Education Project.



His profile at the link below shows he was active a few days ago, and that he has stated his age is 27 and his location is Boulder, Colorado..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102392

He also says he founded the ethereum project with vitalik buterin, and created bitshares with dan larimer.

I founded the ethereum project with vitalik buterin and was it's ceo for some time. Also created bitshares with dan larimer. prior to that I was a theoretical mathematician studying analytic number theory and some topics in cryptography.

[QuestionAuthority]

All that photo of the round table of big wigs tells me is that Bitcoin is 2 steps away from being so mainstream it'll make MasterCard look like a fringe rebel project. There are many people working very hard to balloon their intellectual standing and bank accounts with Bitcoin.

[goosoodude]

Am guessing satoshi will come and clear all the debates up one day on who he really is. Then again could just keep the big debate going on who he really is same going for his original developers they know who satoshi is so why they not come out the works and said something maybe because they all wanted privacy on who's who at end of the day.

If you are referring to the time that newsweek had outed the poor man from Cali early last year, then the person who was posting from "satoshi's" account was most likely a hacker who was able to access his gmx account. I personally doubt that satoshi will ever come forward publicly, at least not in the medium term future

[Gleb Gamow]

.......

I call your DLOL and take you further down the Flemish Rabbit Hole.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229315.msg2412906#msg2412906

After reviewing the comments, thread and discussing the notion of a p2p exchange with many in this community alongside the recent events with Liberty Reserve and MtGox, it is clear a P2P exchange needs to be developed to ensure the long term survival of all cryptocurrencies. There seems to be a great deal of innovation and different approaches to building a P2P exchange thus I think it is prudent to aggregate those actively working on an exchange into a single project for the purposes of collaborative innovation, funding, brainstorming and also reducing needless replication.

I call this Project Invictus. Over the coming weeks, I'll develop a website and forum for it as well as a mailing list. Until then, I'd love for anyone interested in joining to express their desire here and PM me their contact information. I'm also open to ideas about how the project should be structured and the specific set of goals we should have. Here is my crude first attempt:

......

A screenshot of that post reveals the author to be a bitcointalk hero member called charleshoskinson. He claims to be Director of the Bitcoin Education Project.



His profile at the link below shows he was active a few days ago, and that he has stated his age is 27 and his location is Boulder, Colorado..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102392

He also says he founded the ethereum project with vitalik buterin, and created bitshares with dan larimer.

I founded the ethereum project with vitalik buterin and was it's ceo for some time. Also created bitshares with dan larimer. prior to that I was a theoretical mathematician studying analytic number theory and some topics in cryptography.

Charles is clean. It's not him. I've met Charles in Atlanta. He's one of the good guys.

[Eastfist]

Am guessing satoshi will come and clear all the debates up one day on who he really is. Then again could just keep the big debate going on who he really is same going for his original developers they know who satoshi is so why they not come out the works and said something maybe because they all wanted privacy on who's who at end of the day.

My assessment why core devs haven't acknowledged Satoshi's real identity, now, is more primal or basic. At first it was to protect his identity, but now I think it's simply out of securing their careers and possibly a little resentment. Once Satoshi gets the "official" media outing, then core devs won't get the Hero worship anymore. It's always a matter of as long as Satoshi exists, they will always be number 2.

[redsn0w]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

LOL. And Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto is also his real name. So Nick Szabo is also his real name. But none of them are the real Satoshi Nakamoto. LOL. No, this deserves a double LOL, a DLOL.

I didn't say Nick Szabo is satoshi, I only said it (Szabo) is a real name with behind a real person (and not a pseudonym like Satoshi Nakamoto). Basically I've changed my mind after I have seen that photo.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://fuk.io/who-is-satoshi-nakamoto-the-truth/

In private as “Nick Szabo” he would connect with the crypto internet community providing a more in-depth version of “Ideal Money” to a more technical and intelligent crowd by publishing papers through his blogs and getting feedback through web chats. At the same time his other pseudonym “Wei Dai” was keeping a website for an “Anonomous Portal Link” along with shadowing Szabo’s “BitGold” with his own “Bmoney” project, in a simular way that “Ideal money” was shadowed by “BitGold” to keep the topic researched and his pseudonyms moving forward and active in the community. This is how the web was wieved to bring “Ideal Money” from a simple brilliant idea to an actual decentralized currency used worldwide. He compiled his initial work in 2005 (BitGold) and published it online to get some initial reactions and some “think tank” feedback from the cypherpunk community.

Some may think that I'm off my rocker, but at least I'm in good company rockin' here on the porch with a Flemish bunny on my lap.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://fuk.io/who-is-satoshi-nakamoto-the-truth/

In private as “Nick Szabo” he would connect with the crypto internet community providing a more in-depth version of “Ideal Money” to a more technical and intelligent crowd by publishing papers through his blogs and getting feedback through web chats. At the same time his other pseudonym “Wei Dai” was keeping a website for an “Anonomous Portal Link” along with shadowing Szabo’s “BitGold” with his own “Bmoney” project, in a simular way that “Ideal money” was shadowed by “BitGold” to keep the topic researched and his pseudonyms moving forward and active in the community. This is how the web was wieved to bring “Ideal Money” from a simple brilliant idea to an actual decentralized currency used worldwide. He compiled his initial work in 2005 (BitGold) and published it online to get some initial reactions and some “think tank” feedback from the cypherpunk community.

Some may think that I'm off my rocker, but at least I'm in good company rockin' here on the porch with a Flemish bunny on my lap.

Aleksei Riikonen says:
SEPTEMBER 29, 2014 AT 5:44 PM

Nash, is it you writing this reveal as well?

I particularly liked the little bits where you almost convincingly sound like a genuinely deranged conspiracy theorist.

Upon reading the diatribe, I came to the same conclusion as the comment above.

John Nash tours the country lecturing on Ideal Money. Sans Google, what's Mr. Nash's middle name?

[mastertrader777]

http://counterpartyfoundation.org/celebrating-the-one-year-anniversary-of-the-counterparty-project/

340 S. Lemon Ave #2333
Walnut, CA 91789
+1 925-954-9473

How is that an address associated with Satoshi(?) via Vaurum also be associated with CounterParty, GAW, among other Bitcoin-themed entities?

http://www.toshidesk.com/

340 S LEMON AVE #2779 WALNUT, CA 91789

http://www.didsimple.com/

DIDSimple™

340 S LEMON AVE #6343
WALNUT, CA 91789
+1 469-552-7434

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6VTT56aUye4J:https://mpgdocs.com/+&cd=31&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Contact Info

340 S Lemon Ave, Suite 2562
Walnut, CA 91789

Phone: (844) TOP-BLOCK

Web: www.tbminer.com

The list is virtually endless: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22joker.com%22+%22Lemon+Ave%22

This too: https://mawords.com/darkwallet.com

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=btcmedia.org&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=ZGEagM9tJHgzJ3pq43bivMLLyIvLQ5R5bTRTCdfi%2ftJqE6pO81h3SIKQR0qMROM1

Domain Name:BTCMEDIA.ORG
Domain ID: D173666134-LROR
Creation Date: 2014-08-19T19:34:33Z
Updated Date: 2014-10-19T03:47:42Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-08-19T19:34:33Z
Sponsoring Registrar:Google Inc. (R1356-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 895
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited -- http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:AAD2866693648
Registrant Name:Andrew DeSantis
Registrant Organization:Rolation Inc.
Registrant Street: 340 S Lemon Ave #8420
Registrant City:Walnut
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:91789
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.2053316930

Hey guys,

I own ToshiDesk, and I'm here to vouch that the address that you see is just a virtual mailbox service. You guys are getting worked up over nothing....lol

[Kyraishi]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

[QuestionAuthority]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

[Gleb Gamow]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

[Raeg]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Maybe it's his real name maybe it isn't. He seems to be kinda enigmatic and mysterious just like satoshi. I think he's probably the best candidate for being satoshi but I'm not entirely convinced and would need to some one decent piece of evidence over a load of circumstantial stuff.

[QuestionAuthority]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

No wonder! I just thought there were no barbers in his local area. lol

[Unkle]

https://twitter.com/nickszabo4

Is that really his twitter?

[redsn0w]

https://twitter.com/nickszabo4

Is that really his twitter?

It seems yes, that is the real twitter account of Nick Szabo and this is his 'face' (most probable):




We should ask gmaxwell or Gavin (maybe someone can send them a PM).

[Gleb Gamow]

What's the backstory on the image above?

[HI-TEC99]

What's the backstory on the image above?

Who matched the names to the faces? Anyone with basic Photoshop skills could put any name they want next to any face they want. What event was that photo from?

[Gleb Gamow]

What's the backstory on the image above?

Who matched the names to the faces? Anyone with basic Photoshop skills could put any name they want next to any face they want. What event was that photo from?

That's what I'm asking. All the names with faces match their well-known profiles, with Nick being the wildcard.

[redsn0w]

What's the backstory on the image above?

Who matched the names to the faces? Anyone with basic Photoshop skills could put any name they want next to any face they want. What event was that photo from?

That's what I'm asking. All the names with faces match their well-known profiles, with Nick being the wildcard.

We should ask someone present in that photo , like Gavin or Gmaxwell (both theme are registered here) and I think this is the unique way to fine more info about that image....

[remotemass]

Why not asking the author of the photo?

[Bitware]

It really does not matter who Satoshi Nakamotoa is, so long as the technology is sound.

[monsanto]

It really does not matter who Satoshi Nakamotoa is, so long as the technology is sound.

He's the single largest hodler. Kinda matters.

[HI-TEC99]

It really does not matter who Satoshi Nakamotoa is, so long as the technology is sound.

He's the single largest hodler. Kinda matters.

If he dumps he could crash the price down to single digits, that kinda matters. He's given no indication that he will ever sell, but it's always a slim possibility as long as he's holding his million coins. Further, those coins might be dumped if anyone ever figures out who he is and steals them from him.

[Gleb Gamow]

It really does not matter who Satoshi Nakamotoa is, so long as the technology is sound.

He's the single largest hodler. Kinda matters.

If he dumps he could crash the price down to single digits, that kinda matters. He's given no indication that he will ever sell, but it's always a slim possibility as long as he's holding his million coins. Further, those coins might be dumped if anyone ever figures out who he is and steals them from him.

Why dump a million coins all at once that'd crash the price when one could easily liquidate 25 BTC every ten millions equating to cashin' out within a year's time?

[TheLittleDuke]

If I had guess, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of In-Q-Tel...

That said...I still think it's Hal Finney

[QuestionAuthority]

If I had guess, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of In-Q-Tel...

That said...I still think it's Hal Finney

I think it's Finney too. Szabo looks like a gas station attendant.

[Gleb Gamow]

If I had guess, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of In-Q-Tel...

That said...I still think it's Hal Finney

I think it's Finney too. Szabo looks like a gas station attendant.

You sure you wanna leave Nash outta the equation?

To: jamie@netcom.com (Jamie Dinkelacker)
Subject: Re: on anonymity, identity, reputation, and spoofing
From: szabo@netcom.com (Nick Szabo)

Another big problem I see with pseudonymous reputations
is entry.  If most people are blocking posts from new pseudonyms, how
does one get a new reputation established?   I've had several years
to establish a net.reputation for "Nick Szabo", and it
might take a long time for any of my pseudonyms to catch up.  
Altruistic sponsorship requires trusted friends knowing
the True Name, but that public sponsorship itself provides
important clues pointing to that Name.  Sponsorship by the True Name via
an anonymous reputation market (like HEx, but securely anonymous and
perhaps tied to futures on the pseudonym's declared income), might
be quite useful.  (For information on the HEx market, send
mail to hex@sea.east.sun.com with the subject line "commands").

Hex is a strategy board game played on a hexagonal grid, theoretically of any size and several possible shapes, but traditionally as an 11×11 rhombus. Other popular dimensions are 13×13 and 19×19 as a result of the game's relationship to the older game of Go. According to the book A Beautiful Mind, John Nash (one of the game's inventors) advocated 14×14 as the optimal size.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1994/01/msg00192.html

Mr. May makes long reference to my postings on the Cypherpunks list,
characterizing them all as a sort of bag of ad hominem insults and
rants. I stand by everything I have ever posted to the Cypherpunks
list, contrary to T.C.May, who is deathly terrified that anyone outside
his little inbred fiefdom should stumble on his rants about how all Law
Enforcement and Governments are inherently Evil, how Pornography is
Liberating, etc. These are just the rants that he says *publicly*.
Behind the scenes all three leaders, Gilmore, May, and Hughes, promote
much more subversive ideology and religion to their cult of fanatic
followers. `Lies are Liberating' etc. The media has been infected with
their distortions of their agenda of hiding criminal activities such as
tax evasion, black marketeering, money laundering, and the overthrow of
governments under the guise of `privacy for the masses' and `the
cryptographic revolution'.

Pennings like the above make me pine for https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41159.

[HI-TEC99]

It really does not matter who Satoshi Nakamotoa is, so long as the technology is sound.

He's the single largest hodler. Kinda matters.

If he dumps he could crash the price down to single digits, that kinda matters. He's given no indication that he will ever sell, but it's always a slim possibility as long as he's holding his million coins. Further, those coins might be dumped if anyone ever figures out who he is and steals them from him.

Why dump a million coins all at once that'd crash the price when one could easily liquidate 25 BTC every ten millions equating to cashin' out within a year's time?

If someone had stolen them they might want to cash them out very quickly for whatever they could get. They might panic about Satosh alerting the police and want to disappear quickly with their ill gotten gains.

[crazyearner]

Why not asking the author of the photo?

Good question maybe the person who took the picture is satoshi everyone looking at. Who knows only time will say in this matter if the real satoshi will stand up and present himself in the future or not.

[HI-TEC99]

Why not asking the author of the photo?

Good question maybe the person who took the picture is satoshi everyone looking at. Who knows only time will say in this matter if the real satoshi will stand up and present himself in the future or not.

I was going to ask him, but the person who took the picture's twitter account shows he already tweeted that "Even Nick Szabo thinks that Nick Szabo is probably Satoshi Nakamoto".

https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/599294356202336256

[ChetnotAtkins]

Maybe the devs will now speak about Nick Szabo. Peculiarly they never participated in discussions about Nick Szabo and this image proves that they not only know his real identity but also enjoy eating dinner with him.

I think a direct public approach on Reddit will be the best way to get Gavin, Peter and the others on this table to finally speak about Nick Szabo.

[crazyearner]

Maybe the devs will now speak about Nick Szabo. Peculiarly they never participated in discussions about Nick Szabo and this image proves that they not only know his real identity but also enjoy eating dinner with him.

I think a direct public approach on Reddit will be the best way to get Gavin, Peter and the others on this table to finally speak about Nick Szabo.

Maybe for them to get together once again and announce who he is or maybe its all of them who invented it and used a random name they all come up with to say its x person no one actually factored this in yet that  mr/mrs Satoshi Nakamoto could be all of them

[Gleb Gamow]

If I had guess, I'd say it has all the hallmarks of In-Q-Tel...

That said...I still think it's Hal Finney

I think it's Finney too. Szabo looks like a gas station attendant.

Would it surprise you to learn that Alcor North CA Cryonics used to meet at Nick's home?: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=4472

ref: http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1994/02/msg01429.html

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/extropian-roots-bitcoin/

Hal Finney, a Bitcoin pioneer and the first person to ever receive a Bitcoin transaction, was cryonically preserved by the Alcor Life Extension Foundation on August 28, 2014. Please don’t say to Hal friends that he “passed away” or worse – cryonics enthusiasts hope to be revived by future science, in a few decades or centuries down the stream of time.

All five of the following lived in the five-bedroom room (linked above).

Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker

You would think that five dudes would get bored of each others' company after a while, eh? Well, luckily for them, first on the list was the Housemistress: NSFW --> http://scanof.net/view_news.php?head=526503291

Ref: http://www.rdfrn.com/totse/en/privacy/encryption/stego.html

Stego and Cypherella
by Sandy Sandfort

STEGO & CYPHERELLA: A Cypherpunk Goddess Presents Us With Digital Fruit From Her Tree of Knowledge

Cypherella is an ace software developer who has unleashed a subversive program called Stego, a different kind of encryption software that works because snoops can't even tell that you are using encryption software.

How's it work? Let's say Slick Willie wants to hide his voluminous Little Black Book where no one can find it. If he puts it in an encrypted file on his White House personal computer, anybody who looks at the files on his hard disk can tell that he is trying to hide something, and by today's unfortunate "if you have something to hide, you must be guilty" standards he'd catch hell from the press. Enter Stego.

The Stego program uses steganography, a method of disguising messages within other media. What that means, in practical terms (so Prez can understand) is that he can camouflage his secret Little Black Book inside something innocuous: one of Hilary's Vogue pictures scanned into a Mac PICT file would do nicely.

Every picture stored on a computer is made up of pixels (picture elements). Depending on how many shades of gray or hues of color you want to have, a pixel can be expressed using 8, 16, 32 or even more bits. If the least significant bit is changed, the shade of the pixel is altered only one-256th, one-65,000th or even less. No human eye could tell the difference.

What Stego does, is hijack the least significant bit to store only one bit of a secret message or file. Because digitized pictures have lots of pixels, it's possible to store lots of data in a single picture.

But what if Hillary also has a copy of Stego? (She might want to hide her Little Black Book too, you know.) Bill could get busted. And then he'd really catch hell. Bill should first use a standard encryption program (like Phil Zimmerman's "Pretty Good Privacy") to encrypt his LBB before he Stegos the PICT file.

Pretty cool, huh? Bob Packwood would've paid thousands for it. But because Cypherella wants you to have Stego, she is offering it as shareware. You get it for free. If you like it, you can send her a registration fee of $15. For that you'll get her latest updates plus special features and other valuable goodies.

Software this great could only come from a wicked cool cypherpunk goddess like Cypherella. Also known as Romana Machado (and sometimes "Mistress" Romana, Katrina, or just plain Kate), she's an avid reader of science fiction, and has tried everything from ballet to Trekkie fandom; from drug research experimentation to medical research; from singing in baroque choral groups to posing for Playboy (November 1985). When she's not writing cunning encryption programs, she keeps herself busy as a software consultant, a model, and sometimes movie extra. She's designed and made black leather wrist braces to prevent or alleviate carpal tunnel syndrome.

It's only natural that she would eventually hook up with the Cypherpunks. This self-mockingly-named group vigorously promotes the use of strong encryption to preserve personal privacy and freedom. It includes some real hotshots in mathematics, cryptography and computer science. Yet only a dozen or so of the several hundred Cypherpunks have actually worked on cryptographic projects. Of those, only Cypherella's Stego and a small handful of others have actually been finished.

Stego was written for the Macintosh. PC and other versions may soon be available. To get your copy of Stego, you can FTP it from: sumex-aim.stanford.edu, in the info-mac/Recent directory as stego-10a2.hqx

[RitzBitzz]

This all seems very illuminati like with how they are having secret meeting without anyone knowing.

[crazyearner]

This all seems very illuminati like with how they are having secret meeting without anyone knowing.

Well wouldn't you if you had created a monster wanted to keep it private and anonymous and have people wondering after I sure as hell would want to keep my privacy until it was much bigger and mainstream. Even if was fully mainstream lot of people want to ask so many questions and in a way am sure wants to remain but again only time will tell if will announce where he is what he or she is doing and no doubt satoshi is reading among bitcointalk somewhere. Hello to you Miss or Sir

[Gleb Gamow]

This all seems very illuminati like with how they are having secret meeting without anyone knowing.

Well wouldn't you if you had created a monster wanted to keep it private and anonymous and have people wondering after I sure as hell would want to keep my privacy until it was much bigger and mainstream. Even if was fully mainstream lot of people want to ask so many questions and in a way am sure wants to remain but again only time will tell if will announce where he is what he or she is doing and no doubt satoshi is reading among bitcointalk somewhere. Hello to you Miss or Sir

I think that this secrecy thingy runs much deeper: http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.2Q99/3838.html (note the URL, and read more here: http://extropians.weidai.com/)

Nextropians.

Heywood Floyd (anon081@yahoo.com)
Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:52:45 -0700 (PDT)
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Dear list members,

Call me an anonymous coward, a 'deepthroat', a Judas. If and when you're done calling me names, I hope you hear what I have to say.

I am one of the trusted, one of the select, one of the chosen. Chosen you say? Yes, believe it or not there very much is an in-crowd within the transhumanist community. If you hang out long enough you may figure out who is part of the in-crowd and who is is not. For the remainder of the post, lets just call them the 'Nextropians'.

This elite network of Nextropians have their own exclusive and very secret list. No, it is not the extropians-select or the Polymath lists. How do you join this secret society? You don't, you're invited. It helps if you are already signed up for cryonic suspension. To them, that financial commitment is a sign you take seriously your extropic goals.

Don't beleive me? Ask Dr. Ralph Merkle, if there is not a secret society of cryonicists. He may say 'no', but I can assure you otherwise.

So what is the point of my post? Ask yourself, why the secrecy in the first place? Doesn't the knowledge that their are some extremely smart people conducting their most extropic affairs in secret give you the warm fuzzies? What is their motivation? Are they tired of all the mundanes encroaching on their territory? Are they afraid of the mortals shutting them down? Are they afraid of the government opressing their strong drive for freedom?

Although I have not revealed the exact identity of the group or their virtual wearabouts, I must make public their existence.

**As we approach the future at ever faster speeds, I believe it is the existence of such secrecy that fosters increasingly dangerous memes - those of 'Elitism', 'Superiority' and 'Exclusivity'. Can we say 'Ubergoo'?!

Spread the Knowledge!

Anonymous Coward out.

[Gleb Gamow]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

No wonder! I just thought there were no barbers in his local area. lol

Today in History: Google is fucking with me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow

John Perry Barlow (born October 3, 1947) is an American poet and essayist, a retired Wyoming cattle rancher, and a cyberlibertarian[1] political activist who has been associated with both the Democratic and Republican parties. He is also a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead and a founding member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Freedom of the Press Foundation. Since May 1998, he has been a Fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He has been identified by Time magazine as one of the "School of Rock: 10 Supersmart Musicians".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muUklk8pTCE



Who else was in that movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114597/



http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5725747/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Dr. Max More is an internationally acclaimed strategic philosopher widely recognized for his thinking on the philosophical and cultural implications of emerging technologies. Max's contributions include founding the philosophy of transhumanism, authoring the transhumanist philosophy of extropy, and co-founding Extropy Institute, an organization crucial in building the transhumanist movement since 1990. Since the start of 2011, he has served as President and CEO of the Alcor Life Extension Foundation, the world's leading cryonics organization.

Over the past two decades, Max has been concerned that our escalating technological capabilities are racing far ahead of our standard ways of thinking about future possibilities. Through a highly interdisciplinary approach drawing on philosophy, economics, cognitive and social psychology, and management theory, Max developed a distinctive approach known as the "Proactionary Principle"-a tool for making smarter decisions about advanced technologies by minimizing the dangers of progress and maximizing the benefits.

Max has a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics from St. Anne's College, Oxford University (1984-87). He was awarded a Dean's Fellowship in Philosophy in 1987 by the University of Southern California and received his PhD in Philosophy from USC in 1995.

"We have a dreadful shortage of people who know so much, can both think so boldly and clearly, and can express themselves so articulately. Carl Sagan managed to capture the public eye but Sagan is gone and has not been replaced. I see Max as my candidate for that post." (Marvin Minsky)

And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the
sky with flame
and might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way.

http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html

[ExI] Hal Finney being cryopreserved now

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I am both sad and happy to tell you that long-time Extropy
Institute/Extropy magazine/Extropy chat list member -- and honored
cypherpunk and Bitcoin pioneer – was declared clinically dead this morning
and is now being cryopreserved.



Hal was diagnosed with ALS five years ago. He made it clear that once he
lost the ability to communicate, he did not want his vital functions
supported any further but should be allowed to cease functioning and
promptly be cryopreserved. Hal and Fran Finney arrived in Scottsdale,
Arizona on Tuesday where he was checked into ICU of a hospital near Alcor.
After administration of drugs to ensure no consciousness, his ventilator
was removed. Although the doctors expected all breathing to cease within an
hour, Hal’s body kept going until shortly before 9:00 am this morning,
August 28, 2014.



Immediately after pronouncement of legal death, Alcor’s standby team went
into action, restoring circulation, ventilation, administering an array of
medications, and initiating external cooling. Surgery is currently underway
to enable us to replace Hal’s blood and interstitial fluids with
cryoprotectant. Once perfusion is finished we will be able to plunge Hal’s
temperature down past the freezing point without any significant ice
formation. Once he is down to around -110 degC we will slow cooling and
take a couple more days to reach the final storage temperature of -196
degC. After that, Hal will be placed in long-term storage and cared for
until the day when repair and revival may be possible.



Hal’s wife, Fran (also an Alcor member) has stayed by Hal’s side throughout
and is observing our procedures firsthand.



Since Hal is open about his Alcor membership and said that he would be
happy for us to tell people about his choice if it might be good for
cryonics, we will be issuing a press release, as well as writing something
more extensive for *Cryonics* magazine and elsewhere. If you have thoughts
on Hal and his life and work, please send them to me.



Hal, I know I speak for many when I say that I look forward to speaking to
you again sometime in the future and to throwing a party in honor of your
revival.



--Max

--
Max More, PhD
Strategic Philosopher
Co-editor, *The Transhumanist Reader*
http://www.amazon.com/Transhumanist-Reader-Contemporary-Technology-Philosophy/dp/1118334310/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372225570&sr=1-1&keywords=the+transhumanist+reader
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[thebenjamincode]

i have heard many stories about who is satoshi nakamoto and many people also claim that they were satoshi nakamoto
but i think most of it are not true

[Gleb Gamow]

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/extropians.html?pg=5&topic=

Along the way there was an attempt to create a nomenclature that lived up to Extropian doctrine. And why not? This was a total philosophy, and so it deserved its own proprietary rhetoric. Soon a whole panoply of extropically flavored neologisms had sprung into existence: Extropia (coined by Tom Morrow), a community embodying Extropian values; Extropolis (from Max More), an Extropian city located in space; extropiate (from Dave Krieger), any drug having extropic effects. There was smart-faced (from Russell Whitaker), "the condition resulting from social-use extropiates: 'Let's get smart-faced.'" And there was the instantly-memorable disasturbation (another Dave Krieger invention), "idly fantasizing about possible catastrophes (ecological collapse, full-blown totalitarianism) without considering their likelihood or considering their possible solutions/preventions."

Further along there was a concerted attempt to flesh out the Extropian dream. Tom Morrow, the Extropian legal theorist, wrote articles about "privately produced law," showing how systems of rules can and do arise spontaneously from voluntary transactions among free agents, without the assistance of Mother Government. He also wrote about "Free Oceana," a proposed community of Extropians living on artificial islands floating around on the high seas.

Is it possible that Tom Morrow aka T.0.Morrow penned the nym Satoshi Nakamoto?

...And in a short time, Extropianism seemed to have acquired all the trappings of a major cultural phenomenon, with a succession of parties, weekly lunches, T-shirts ("Forward! Upward! Outward!"), and even an Extropian "nerd house," called Nextropia, in Cupertino.

Operated by Romana Machado, the aforementioned "Mistress Romana" who in real life works in the Newton division of Apple Computer (she's also the inventor of Stego, a program that compliments traditional encryption schemes - see "Security Through Obscurity," Wired 2.03, page 29), Nextropia is an Extropian boarding house, a community of friends. Just don't call it a "commune."

Who lived there?

Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker

<follow the link above the fold if you desire to learn about Regina Pancake> 

[monsanto]

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/extropians.html?pg=5&topic=

Is it possible that Tom Morrow aka T.0.Morrow penned the nym Satoshi Nakamoto?

Nick Szabo on learning from the Japanese

And learning Japanese:

"Au contrair!  Tongue twisters, palindromes, etc. are very good and fun
for practicing my Nihongo and when I get them right, it gets my confidence
up!  Can we have more please?
--
Nick Szabo"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.lang.japan/JYgfT8jNqw0

Proper noun
Nihongo

     1. the Japanese language

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nihongo

[Gleb Gamow]

You, too, could join the party - the Extropaganza Maximum! Just remember, when you get there, that it's ... right hand out in front of you, fingers spread and pointing at the sky. Grasp the other person's right hand, intertwine fingers, and close.

Then zoom your hand up, straight up, all the way up!

Upward! Outward!

To the moon!

I'm leaning toward the blockchain being an experiment in developing a mechanism for the transfer of information over and beyond money, smart contracts, etc.: DNA, et al.

[Kprawn]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire 

I guess it does.... Most countries want to know, that this is not a big N$A wack job... or a big hidden conspiracy to dominate digital money.

It's not as if they did not try it before... Eg.. The backdoor they created on hardware, like Cisco routers. 

If the inventor or creator of Bitcoin was known, a lot of countries would have most probably already adopted it as a currency.

The clandestine nature of the currency, created it's own bumps in the road towards success. A public global team, with a joint goal of creating a transparent digital currency, would have been more successfull from the start, in my opinion.

Just read all the discussions on those old Bulletin boards and you would know what I am saying...   

[Searing]

You, too, could join the party - the Extropaganza Maximum! Just remember, when you get there, that it's ... right hand out in front of you, fingers spread and pointing at the sky. Grasp the other person's right hand, intertwine fingers, and close.

Then zoom your hand up, straight up, all the way up!

Upward! Outward!

To the moon!

I'm leaning toward the blockchain being an experiment in developing a mechanism for the transfer of information over and beyond money, smart contracts, etc.: DNA, et al.

yep was always my 'bet' if it survives as a mechanism the price of BTC will follow..looked at it that way from day one

in my newbie youth...

[Gleb Gamow]

Another poor guy

Does it really matter who invented fire 

Og: What you got there, Max?
Max: I invented fire.
Og: Aren't you the guy who changed his name and runs that cryonic lab with your fringe sect at Caveapolis over yonder?
Max: Maybe.
Og: Hey, everybody, look at my memememe!



Max: <Next time I introduce something, I'll use a Jōmon nym created with the help of T.0.Morrow while we read the MensaMan section of the latest issue of CaveBoy>

[Enfield]

I think satoshi is probably more than one person but Nick could very well be involved  (is that even his real name as well?)

This all seems very illuminati like with how they are having secret meeting without anyone knowing.

A secret meeting where they post a picture of it? Not very secret. I'm sure the event was publicly known as well.

[dothebeats]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

No wonder! I just thought there were no barbers in his local area. lol

Today in History: Google is fucking with me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow

John Perry Barlow (born October 3, 1947) is an American poet and essayist, a retired Wyoming cattle rancher, and a cyberlibertarian[1] political activist who has been associated with both the Democratic and Republican parties. He is also a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead and a founding member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Freedom of the Press Foundation. Since May 1998, he has been a Fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He has been identified by Time magazine as one of the "School of Rock: 10 Supersmart Musicians".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muUklk8pTCE



Who else was in that movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114597/



http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5725747/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Dr. Max More is an internationally acclaimed strategic philosopher widely recognized for his thinking on the philosophical and cultural implications of emerging technologies. Max's contributions include founding the philosophy of transhumanism, authoring the transhumanist philosophy of extropy, and co-founding Extropy Institute, an organization crucial in building the transhumanist movement since 1990. Since the start of 2011, he has served as President and CEO of the Alcor Life Extension Foundation, the world's leading cryonics organization.

Over the past two decades, Max has been concerned that our escalating technological capabilities are racing far ahead of our standard ways of thinking about future possibilities. Through a highly interdisciplinary approach drawing on philosophy, economics, cognitive and social psychology, and management theory, Max developed a distinctive approach known as the "Proactionary Principle"-a tool for making smarter decisions about advanced technologies by minimizing the dangers of progress and maximizing the benefits.

Max has a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics from St. Anne's College, Oxford University (1984-87). He was awarded a Dean's Fellowship in Philosophy in 1987 by the University of Southern California and received his PhD in Philosophy from USC in 1995.

"We have a dreadful shortage of people who know so much, can both think so boldly and clearly, and can express themselves so articulately. Carl Sagan managed to capture the public eye but Sagan is gone and has not been replaced. I see Max as my candidate for that post." (Marvin Minsky)

And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the
sky with flame
and might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way.

http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html

[ExI] Hal Finney being cryopreserved now

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Thu Aug 28 18:41:54 UTC 2014
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I am both sad and happy to tell you that long-time Extropy
Institute/Extropy magazine/Extropy chat list member -- and honored
cypherpunk and Bitcoin pioneer – was declared clinically dead this morning
and is now being cryopreserved.



Hal was diagnosed with ALS five years ago. He made it clear that once he
lost the ability to communicate, he did not want his vital functions
supported any further but should be allowed to cease functioning and
promptly be cryopreserved. Hal and Fran Finney arrived in Scottsdale,
Arizona on Tuesday where he was checked into ICU of a hospital near Alcor.
After administration of drugs to ensure no consciousness, his ventilator
was removed. Although the doctors expected all breathing to cease within an
hour, Hal’s body kept going until shortly before 9:00 am this morning,
August 28, 2014.



Immediately after pronouncement of legal death, Alcor’s standby team went
into action, restoring circulation, ventilation, administering an array of
medications, and initiating external cooling. Surgery is currently underway
to enable us to replace Hal’s blood and interstitial fluids with
cryoprotectant. Once perfusion is finished we will be able to plunge Hal’s
temperature down past the freezing point without any significant ice
formation. Once he is down to around -110 degC we will slow cooling and
take a couple more days to reach the final storage temperature of -196
degC. After that, Hal will be placed in long-term storage and cared for
until the day when repair and revival may be possible.



Hal’s wife, Fran (also an Alcor member) has stayed by Hal’s side throughout
and is observing our procedures firsthand.



Since Hal is open about his Alcor membership and said that he would be
happy for us to tell people about his choice if it might be good for
cryonics, we will be issuing a press release, as well as writing something
more extensive for *Cryonics* magazine and elsewhere. If you have thoughts
on Hal and his life and work, please send them to me.



Hal, I know I speak for many when I say that I look forward to speaking to
you again sometime in the future and to throwing a party in honor of your
revival.



--Max

--
Max More, PhD
Strategic Philosopher
Co-editor, *The Transhumanist Reader*
http://www.amazon.com/Transhumanist-Reader-Contemporary-Technology-Philosophy/dp/1118334310/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372225570&sr=1-1&keywords=the+transhumanist+reader
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Wait wait wait, I already lost track of the discussion. Why is cryonics involved in the discussion of Satoshi Nakamoto = Nick Szabo? I'm getting confused now.

[R2D221]

Wait wait wait, I already lost track of the discussion. Why is cryonics involved in the discussion of Satoshi Nakamoto = Nick Szabo? I'm getting confused now.

Because Hal Finney was cryonized (is that the right word?). That and fridge logic.

[AGD]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

No wonder! I just thought there were no barbers in his local area. lol

Today in History: Google is fucking with me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow

John Perry Barlow (born October 3, 1947) is an American poet and essayist, a retired Wyoming cattle rancher, and a cyberlibertarian[1] political activist who has been associated with both the Democratic and Republican parties. He is also a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead and a founding member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Freedom of the Press Foundation. Since May 1998, he has been a Fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He has been identified by Time magazine as one of the "School of Rock: 10 Supersmart Musicians".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muUklk8pTCE



Who else was in that movie?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114597/



http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5725747/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Dr. Max More is an internationally acclaimed strategic philosopher widely recognized for his thinking on the philosophical and cultural implications of emerging technologies. Max's contributions include founding the philosophy of transhumanism, authoring the transhumanist philosophy of extropy, and co-founding Extropy Institute, an organization crucial in building the transhumanist movement since 1990. Since the start of 2011, he has served as President and CEO of the Alcor Life Extension Foundation, the world's leading cryonics organization.

Over the past two decades, Max has been concerned that our escalating technological capabilities are racing far ahead of our standard ways of thinking about future possibilities. Through a highly interdisciplinary approach drawing on philosophy, economics, cognitive and social psychology, and management theory, Max developed a distinctive approach known as the "Proactionary Principle"-a tool for making smarter decisions about advanced technologies by minimizing the dangers of progress and maximizing the benefits.

Max has a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics from St. Anne's College, Oxford University (1984-87). He was awarded a Dean's Fellowship in Philosophy in 1987 by the University of Southern California and received his PhD in Philosophy from USC in 1995.

"We have a dreadful shortage of people who know so much, can both think so boldly and clearly, and can express themselves so articulately. Carl Sagan managed to capture the public eye but Sagan is gone and has not been replaced. I see Max as my candidate for that post." (Marvin Minsky)

And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the
sky with flame
and might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way.

http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html

[ExI] Hal Finney being cryopreserved now

Max More max at maxmore.com
Thu Aug 28 18:41:54 UTC 2014
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I am both sad and happy to tell you that long-time Extropy
Institute/Extropy magazine/Extropy chat list member -- and honored
cypherpunk and Bitcoin pioneer – was declared clinically dead this morning
and is now being cryopreserved.



Hal was diagnosed with ALS five years ago. He made it clear that once he
lost the ability to communicate, he did not want his vital functions
supported any further but should be allowed to cease functioning and
promptly be cryopreserved. Hal and Fran Finney arrived in Scottsdale,
Arizona on Tuesday where he was checked into ICU of a hospital near Alcor.
After administration of drugs to ensure no consciousness, his ventilator
was removed. Although the doctors expected all breathing to cease within an
hour, Hal’s body kept going until shortly before 9:00 am this morning,
August 28, 2014.



Immediately after pronouncement of legal death, Alcor’s standby team went
into action, restoring circulation, ventilation, administering an array of
medications, and initiating external cooling. Surgery is currently underway
to enable us to replace Hal’s blood and interstitial fluids with
cryoprotectant. Once perfusion is finished we will be able to plunge Hal’s
temperature down past the freezing point without any significant ice
formation. Once he is down to around -110 degC we will slow cooling and
take a couple more days to reach the final storage temperature of -196
degC. After that, Hal will be placed in long-term storage and cared for
until the day when repair and revival may be possible.



Hal’s wife, Fran (also an Alcor member) has stayed by Hal’s side throughout
and is observing our procedures firsthand.



Since Hal is open about his Alcor membership and said that he would be
happy for us to tell people about his choice if it might be good for
cryonics, we will be issuing a press release, as well as writing something
more extensive for *Cryonics* magazine and elsewhere. If you have thoughts
on Hal and his life and work, please send them to me.



Hal, I know I speak for many when I say that I look forward to speaking to
you again sometime in the future and to throwing a party in honor of your
revival.



--Max

--
Max More, PhD
Strategic Philosopher
Co-editor, *The Transhumanist Reader*
http://www.amazon.com/Transhumanist-Reader-Contemporary-Technology-Philosophy/dp/1118334310/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372225570&sr=1-1&keywords=the+transhumanist+reader
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Wait wait wait, I already lost track of the discussion. Why is cryonics involved in the discussion of Satoshi Nakamoto = Nick Szabo? I'm getting confused now.

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

[Gleb Gamow]

http://borg.uu3.net/ldetweil/medusa/cypherpunks/bigmacs/apology

In my new realizations I am particularly inspired by your underlying
agenda of tax evasion, black marketeering, and the overthrow of
governments. DEATH TO ORDER!  Hedonistic delights like gambling dens
and prostitution rings would be a Love Boat for everyone, but they
aren't enough. I have had some neat fantasies lately about starting new
drug nextworks and assassination enterprises. What delights await us!
The possibilities of untraceable cash and anonymity are truly
liberating -- we can build up internation criminal organizations and
launder our money freely, and avoid all detection! The vanquished world
will lick our boots! I hope that you will let me in on your finetuned
Cryptoanarchist secrets that would make Goldfinger and Hitler proud. If
you don't, that's okay too. I'm really unstable and there's even a
rumor that I'm actually an FBI agent, so that it would be better if you
didn't tell me anything that would be upsetting to someone who
practices law enforcement.

Wait wait wait, I already lost track of the discussion. Why is cryonics involved in the discussion of Satoshi Nakamoto = Nick Szabo? I'm getting confused now.

Because Hal Finney was cryonized (is that the right word?). That and fridge logic.

Because most of Bitcoin's forefathers want to be Popsicles^®.

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Nailed it, like a coffin.

http://borg.uu3.net/ldetweil/medusa/cypherpunks/bigmacs/apology

I am sorry to have upset anyone who has ever watched this mailing list.
I was continually prodding you to discover the truth, but there was
nothing to discover! I  kept telling you to send mail to your leaders
yourself, to put pressure on them to reveal their knowledge, to
investigate the claims of reality of identity that were extremely
suspicious, and follow up past inert, passive, lifeless viewing of the
text that scrolls by your faces and hypnotizes you daily, more
mesmerizing and psychologically dangerous and deadly than television!
But we all know that this was a delusion now, a faded dream. The list
is our outlet to reach out to other real people, to make friends, to
achieve grand goals. As the leaders reassure us, upon their honor as
patriot Cryptoanarchists and honest human beings, there are no fake
identities anywhere in all of cyberspace, and on the Cypherpunks list
in particular! All my past claims are nothing but bizarre, wretched,
pathetic, deluded fantasies and hallucinations. In psychology, it is
called `projection'.

[dothebeats]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

EDIT

Because most of Bitcoin's forefathers want to be Popsicles^®.

lol

[redsn0w]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

[kazuki49]

What if he is Nicolas van Saberhagen. Mind you this is a compliment, cryptonote is superior.

[dothebeats]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

[BTCat]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

With this in mind I do not think Hal Finney is/was Satoshi because he would not send coins to himself.

[Gleb Gamow]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

Don't you find it ironic that those involved in cryonics created a system to try to eliminate hard cold cash?

[redsn0w]

....
I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

The problem now is : we should ask gmaxwell or Gavin (or the other people that are in the image) ... who is NickSzabo4. This for me it is the real question, not who is Satoshi Nakamoto (a different question).

....
Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

But Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto ... this why I have said "it or he is not related". I know he is the first person that have received a btc through a transaction...

[Gleb Gamow]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

With this in mind I do not think Hal Finney is/was Satoshi because he would not send coins to himself.

It was only done once to show that the proof of concept works. Besides, somebody had to be first. The true test came when pizza was ordered so that said event could make the wire rounds. In fact, notable thefts were required to prove Bitcoin's worth.

[RitzBitzz]

This thread turned from a typical where is satoshi thread to some conspiracy sh!t real fast.

[Gleb Gamow]

....
I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

The problem now is : we should ask gmaxwell or Gavin (or the other people that are in the image) ... who is NickSzabo4. This for me it is the real question, not who is Satoshi Nakamoto (a different question).

....
Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

But Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto ... this why I have said "it or he is not related". I know he is the first person that have received a btc through a transaction...

Most the clues point to Satoashi Nakamoto being made up of a group and not just one individual. Among said group was one person anointed to pen under the nym, of which whom is still unknown. I further believe that the John Nash connection was put in place as a red herring.

[kazuki49]

....
I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

The problem now is : we should ask gmaxwell or Gavin (or the other people that are in the image) ... who is NickSzabo4. This for me it is the real question, not who is Satoshi Nakamoto (a different question).

....
Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

But Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto ... this why I have said "it or he is not related". I know he is the first person that have received a btc through a transaction...

Most the clues point to Satoashi Nakamoto being made up of a group and not just one individual. Among said group was one person anointed to pen under the nym, of which whom is still unknown. I further believe that the John Nash connection was put in place as a red herring.

yeah a group, like the cryptonote team.

Nick Szabo = Nicolas van Saberhagen

you cant unsee.

[AGD]

....
I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

The problem now is : we should ask gmaxwell or Gavin (or the other people that are in the image) ... who is NickSzabo4. This for me it is the real question, not who is Satoshi Nakamoto (a different question).

....
Haha Bruno has always long stretching theories but there's always some links to back it up with, he is a deep-digger.

And ofcourse Hal Finney is related, he was the receiver of the very first Bitcoin transaction. It must have been a way to honor him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(cypherpunk)

But Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto ... this why I have said "it or he is not related". I know he is the first person that have received a btc through a transaction...

Most the clues point to Satoashi Nakamoto being made up of a group and not just one individual. Among said group was one person anointed to pen under the nym, of which whom is still unknown. I further believe that the John Nash connection was put in place as a red herring.

If your theory is correct, it would be interesting to know their long term goals. They are already sitting on a fortune to buy them some small countries after all and judging them on their look (sorry guys, no offense), I wouldn't trust them my country.



Christina Garman to make that pic complete:

[Gleb Gamow]

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai). Only Finney (RPOW) and Nakamoto were motivated enough to actually implement such a scheme.

http://extropians.weidai.com/

Given that Wei Dai maintained the Exptropian website - http://extropians.weidai.com/ - and the meetups were held at Nick Szabo's home and Finney now's a Popsicle^® with the latter two awaiting their turns as "Turkey in the Straw" plays endlessly, I say they're a pretty close-knit family.

http://borg.uu3.net/ldetweil/medusa/cypherpunks/bigmacs/apology

G.Broiles:

> Although it saddens me to say this, the C-punks list seems to me to
> be the pet project of a clique of a few people who allow others to read/post
> to it as long as we're sufficiently respectful of their infinite wisdom.
> People who write on topics uninteresting or threatening to that clique are
> flamed, and then criticized for responding to the flames. There are two
> different standards for messages - one for those posted by folks "within",
> and another for those "without". I think you get flamed because you've
> failed to kiss enough ass, not because your posts are unreasonable.
>
> There are two sorts of posts consistently considered acceptable:
> posts by "insiders", whatever their topic, length, or content; and
> transcriptions of media interviews with those insiders. Any other post will
> either be flamed or allowed to die a death of quiet neglect. Substantial
> replies to posts by non-insiders are rare indeed.
>
> You are among the few people whose posts to C-punks I read
> consistenly. The list will suffer a substantial loss if you stop posting.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/buying-immortality-with-bitcoins

In February, the SENS Foundation—a life-extension research institute led by anti-ageing crusader Aubrey de Grey—annou​nced on its website that it would start accepting donations in bitcoins.

The decision was made after SENS started receiving a trickle of messages from bitcoiners willing to invest their cryptocurrency reserves in the institute’s quest for eternal youth. Jerri Barrett, SENS’s vice-president of outreach and the person who would read those emails, initially answered that they didn’t take bitcoins. But requests kept coming.

“I ended up making a file with all the messages.” Barrett told me on a Skype call. “I just decided: when I get another mail about giving us bitcoins we’ll have to set up something to accept it.” So it was.

Bitcoin has caught on e​verywhere, but the story of SENS’s eager Bitcoin donors piqued my interest: It was just the latest in a row of cases linking interest in cryptocurrency with interest in life-extension or other transhumanist projects. It looked like there was an unspoken, long-running connection between the two things.

Bitcoiners and transhumanists are cut from the same cloth.

The link is typified, for instance, by the Lifeboat Foundation, a nonprofit devoted to safely steering humankind to the Singularity by financing ventures such as asteroid shields and brain uploading. In 2013, it published a state​ment declaring its commitment to cryptocurrency: “We are now working to have the majority of our funding come from 21st century money—money backed not by governments but by algorithms,” the post read. “The 21st century money Lifeboat is currently focused on is bitcoins.”

The organisation subsequently activated 13 wallets to receive Bitcoin contributions; today its “Bitcoin endowment” has grown to $192,301 as of the time of writing (it was worth mu​ch more before Bitcoin’s fall earlier this winter.)

Similarly, US cryonics company Alcor has been allowing ​its patients to pay in bitcoins since late 2012. Alcor’s spokesperson told me in an email that as yet only a couple of people have paid that way: one of them was the cypherpunk thinker Hal Finney, who die​d and was cryopreserved by Alcor in summer 2014. Finney, an inveterate transhumanist, was also the first person to ever receive a Bitcoin transaction back in 2009.

Alcor CEO Max More with cryogenic chambers. Image: Daniel Oberhaus

"Hal, I got the coffee you requested, now knock three times to let me know if you still want it."
​
A quick tour around the legion of transhumanist/longevist websites and forums also shows that Bitcoin is an omnipresent topic of discussion, to the point that one of the objectives initially put forward by the UK Transhu​manist Party in a preparatory document for its manifesto was “[bringing about a] more sustainable cryptocurrency.

How come people who want to live forever are also likely to pay for it in bitcoins? One common answer is that bitcoiners and transhumanists are cut from the same cloth.

Trace Mayer, a Bitcoin-focused blo​gger who sits on the economics board of Lifeboat, boils it all down to genius. “The people involved in Bitcoin are some of the smartest in the world. They have very high IQs and are very well read. In the same way, to understand the science of life-extension you have to be very smart, too,” he told me in a Skype call. “It’s not really a common interest, it’s just that they’re smart people.”

A less self-congratulatory take is that both transhumanism and Bitcoin’s creed have a techno-enthusiastic character, and—in the best of hacking tradition—both are about overcoming some sort of constraints. If you are up for screwing biology and living forever, you’ll probably dig the idea of using untraceable digital money to subvert the financial system as we know it, too.

"To many transhumanists, digital currency just naturally sounded like the kind of thing they should be interested in."

This can also be seen in history. In the 90s, a preferred term for one type of transhumanism was “extropianism.”

“Extropianism’s main tenet was that human should always be growing and reaching up for more. Bust your limits and going above and beyond,” transhumanist philosopher Amon Twyman told me in a video call. “It was very popular with libertarians, and for some time it seemed to be the case that all transhumanists were libertarian. And when Bitcoin came up, too, it was seen as a very libertarian technology.”

Getting rid of banks’ and governments’ roles in financial transactions, in effect, was key to the extropia​n project. The concept of a cryptocurrency—dubbed simply “cryp”—surfaced on the main extropian mailing-list in 199​2, and several prominent extropians had a crack at devising encrypted payment systems. One of those who made the most promising attempts was Hal Finney—the developer frozen by Alcor. That would later cause speculation that Finney was Sat​oshi Nakamoto, the person who invented Bitcoin.

Twyman said that even if today’s transhumanists are not all necessarily Ayn Rand-style libertarians, some sort of extropian legacy lingers on. “To many transhumanists, digital currency just naturally sounded like the kind of thing they should be interested in.” he said.

From a sheerly practical point of view, some think that Bitcoin may help fill the coffers of life-extension research labs much faster. “Bitcoin has the potential to hugely redistribute the wealth of the entire global economy,” Trace Mayer said. “And the new holders of that Bitcoin wealth will probably be smart people very interested in life-extension. They’ll fund these kind of projects.”

Right now, though, there’s still no sign that a funding revolution is underway—at least if you ask SENS’s Jerri Barrett.

“So far we got about 20 Bitcoin donations, for $700 overall. We convert them straight away to dollars, because of Bitcoin’s volatility,” she said. “I’ll let you know when we get something really large.”

[Gleb Gamow]

http://virtualschool.edu/mon/ElectronicProperty/DigiCashImplementations.html

For those who want to dive in to current applications,
there are two implementations of software digital cash that
I know of out there:

* The Magic Money (MM) system.  This is source code freeware, but
for experimental purposes only, unless you arrange the appropriate
licenses.  The client (used by vendors and customers) and server
(token issuer) can be run over e-mail or sockets, and probably with
some modification over http.  MM implements a full online digital
cash protocol, but it is written as an experimental system by
and for programmers, so there is no good user interface, and
there is no software connecting the server to financial networks
or real banks.  This is the only digital cash software out
there where you can look at the source code, and hack it to your
heart's content.

I don't have the latest ftp information (it keeps changing,
due to crazy U.S. crypto export restrictions access is
restricted to North Americans); query the newsgroup alt.security.pgp
for the latest details.  At least two servers were set up
a few months ago for experiments; I don't know if they're
still running: contact Matt Thomlison (phantom@stein3.u.washington.edu)
and Mike Duvos (mpd@netcom.com). 

* The commercial ECash software digital cash from David
Chaum's company DigiCash. Chaum is the guru of digital cash,
so I expect this will be a very solid implementation.  It
runs over Mosaic, and from what I hear has a good user interface. 
It is somewhere near or in beta test.  http://digicash.support.nl
for details, and pointers to Chaum's many fine papers,
which are necessary for understanding how the protocols
really work.

* The NetCash system.  This isn't digital cash, since
it has no privacy feature, but until ECash is released it
might make a good entry level system for some vendors
and customers.

There are probably over a dozen acedemicians working on new
or refined digital cash protocols, and several commercial smart
card based digital cash systems are likely under development
(including the Mondex trials currently underway in Britain). 
Hal Finney often posts good articles on new digital cash
protocols to the cypherpunks list (majordomo@toad.com), most
recently Stefan Brand's greatly improved offline protocol.
Cypherpunks also has excellent coverage of legal, political,
and technical issues of cryptography in general, as do the
newsgroups talk.politics.crypto, sci.crypt, and alt.security.pgp.
And it bears repeating, to fully learn the protocols
you'll need to dive in to the original papers in the _Crypto_
and _Eurocrypt_ conference proceedings.

Besides implementations, the most important work that I see
needs to be done right now is (1) the marketing studies, so
that we can replace our speculations about desire
for privacy, customers and vendors outside the credit card
system, etc. with solid facts, (2) implementing the
interface of the digital cash server to current financial
networks (along with designing good legal and business
models: token server, bank, billing company, etc.), (3) modifying
current online services to accept digital cash, with the
verify/provide service sequence, and (4) designing full online
business concepts and transaction protocols around digital cash,
for example "information vending machines" run by part-time
entrepreneurs.  I suspect that (3) and (4) are the best
fit to members of this list, and I'd be happy to consult
with folks seriously pursuing these tasks.

It's also good to keep in mind, as I pointed out in my
essay "Smart Contracts", that while the protocols are
dubbed "digital cash", they really implement something
more general, the digital bearer instrument, of which cash
is only one example.  The protocol objects could just as
easily be tokens, coupons, bearer bonds, or a wide variety
of other bearer instruments.  We might build in additional
features, such as activation dates, expiration dates, and
tear-off coupons for scheduled payments.  Perhaps we
could design new instruments that are especially useful
for Internet information vending.

Nick Szabo                              szabo@netcom.com

[BTCat]

The history of Bitcoin goes back to the 1970's!

A Method for Obtaining Digital Signatures and
Public-Key Cryptosystems
http://ocw.bib.upct.es/pluginfile.php/5337/mod_resource/content/1/rsa_base.pdf

Lots of people have contributed to the creation of Bitcoin. The release itself is an icon, showcasing all the best of what people have made in cryptography past decades.

[Gleb Gamow]

The history of Bitcoin goes back to the 1970's!

A Method for Obtaining Digital Signatures and
Public-Key Cryptosystems
http://ocw.bib.upct.es/pluginfile.php/5337/mod_resource/content/1/rsa_base.pdf

Lots of people have contributed to the creation of Bitcoin. The release itself is an icon, showcasing all the best of what people have made in cryptography past decades.

You're just expanding upon my Tales To And From The Cryp.

[Searing]

Well if someone sat on me till I bet 1 BTC on who is or who is not Satoshi...if I was allowed my bet would be (sad to say) that he somehow
has already 'passed away' ...it would explain much

1) how he can remain unknown so well...no activity to trace only past actions/threads

2) why the large addresses have never been touched (hard to do from the after life)

3) and lastly not like most of us mortals who would have been 'tempted' by the fame/money/super models/ etc (did I mention super models would be my krptonite)
ie hard to do if you passed away

just saying ....fits the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid) and addresses all we know w/o any secrets to keep (nor temptations to try)

hope I'm wrong ..but my view again if someone sat on me and made me bet 1 BTC on this mystery

[Krang]

Well if someone sat on me till I bet 1 BTC on who is or who is not Satoshi...if I was allowed my bet would be (sad to say) that he somehow
has already 'passed away' ...it would explain much

1) how he can remain unknown so well...no activity to trace only past actions/threads

2) why the large addresses have never been touched (hard to do from the after life)

3) and lastly not like most of us mortals who would have been 'tempted' by the fame/money/super models/ etc (did I mention super models would be my krptonite)
ie hard to do if you passed away

just saying ....fits the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid) and addresses all we know w/o any secrets to keep (nor temptations to try)

hope I'm wrong ..but my view again if someone sat on me and made me bet 1 BTC on this mystery

1) If you go into dedicating yourself to being anon and you know what you're doing it probably isn't that hard. I guess most people on this forum could remain anon if they really wanted to. Just create a new handle and use tor and be careful with your transactions.

2 &3) This is a big quandary. It's hard to imagine anyone resisting the urge to not dip into the money but some people are not materialistic or he might already be very well off. Maybe he's just bitcoin's biggest hodler as well waiting to cashout later? Who knows but thats part of the intreague and mystery surrounding satoshi.

[Febo]

I read this article on my lunch today and I have to point out that I wouldn't say that the article actually identifies Szabo as Satoshi.  Definitely not the way that Newsweek did with that fellow last year.  Instead, this article merely highlights the fact that Szabo is among a small group of (known) people who have the potential to be Satoshi, and it talks about the evidence for that.  From my reading of it, I think saying that they "identify" Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto is going too far.

They actually say "may indeed be". This can be used when they just want to bla bla of something but not exactly say anything. So no one will be able to tell them they were wrong at the end.

[Gleb Gamow]

I read this article on my lunch today and I have to point out that I wouldn't say that the article actually identifies Szabo as Satoshi.  Definitely not the way that Newsweek did with that fellow last year.  Instead, this article merely highlights the fact that Szabo is among a small group of (known) people who have the potential to be Satoshi, and it talks about the evidence for that.  From my reading of it, I think saying that they "identify" Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto is going too far.

They actually say "may indeed be". This can be used when they just want to bla bla of something but not exactly say anything. So no one will be able to tell them they were wrong at the end.

That being the case, NYT could've easily penned "there's insurmountable proof that" and still have their asses covered.

[QuestionAuthority]

I read this article on my lunch today and I have to point out that I wouldn't say that the article actually identifies Szabo as Satoshi.  Definitely not the way that Newsweek did with that fellow last year.  Instead, this article merely highlights the fact that Szabo is among a small group of (known) people who have the potential to be Satoshi, and it talks about the evidence for that.  From my reading of it, I think saying that they "identify" Szabo as Satoshi Nakamoto is going too far.

They actually say "may indeed be". This can be used when they just want to bla bla of something but not exactly say anything. So no one will be able to tell them they were wrong at the end.

That being the case, NYT could've easily penned "there's insurmountable proof that" and still have their asses covered.

Hey Bruno, could you call Rassah (Dmitry) at home and ask him to check the forum BTC100 thread. There are people in the thread that have been trying to contact him for a while. Thanks

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[gmaxwell]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

I'm a bit young to have been a roadie for CSNY in the mid 70s, but heres the oldest picture of me I can find to aid in your diligent sleuthing:



(God knows, one of you will find a picture with me and John Perry Barlow and consider Glebs most crazy theories confirmed... and I can imagine little funnier than that.)

[QuestionAuthority]

Wait....
I am a little bit confused.
I thought Nick Szabo was a pseudonym...
You guys are now saying it's a real name?

Yes, that's what they're saying. They also have a photo above proving that Greg Maxwell is a former roadie for Crosby, Stills & Nash. It may be Maxwell in the rear left of this image but the face is cut off.

He got the roadie gig because he's the bastard child of Jerry Garcia (humor at the expense of Greg's mother).  

You, who choose to lead, must follow
But if you fall you fall alone.
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home.

I'm a bit young to have been a roadie for CSNY in the mid 70s, but heres the oldest picture of me I can find to aid in your diligent sleuthing:



(God knows, one of you will find a picture with me and John Perry Barlow and consider Glebs most crazy theories confirmed... and I can imagine little funnier than that.)

I knew it! Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young and Maxwell.

I was more of a Beach Boys, Dick Dale kid myself.

[Roselyn]

Nick Szabo is not Satoshi Nakamoto. Nick Szabo met Satoshi Nakamoto once in London in December 2013. Actually Nick Szabo was spying on him. Satoshi Nakamoto spoke to him for a while and offer him the position 'Captain' for Satoshi Nakamoto's CWG Space Ship but Nick Szabo quickly run away from Satoshi Nakamoto with some sort of pride.

[Roselyn]

I think he is saying, that all the ugly nerds sitting at this table are involved in cryonics together with the guy from Grateful Dead and they are all Satoshi Nakamoto, right Bruno?

Well now, I'm starting to get really confused. One of them could possibly be Satoshi Nakamoto? I don't think so. Again the same question, why is cryonics involved in this kind of discussion on finding who is the person behind Satoshi?

It is not involved, I think they are talking about Hal Finney but this is not related with Nick Szabo (the one in the image) and neither Satoshi Nakamoto ...

I know Hal Finney's body is cryopreserved, and at some point, people thought that Hal Finney is Satoshi himself. Okay I'm getting the picture now.

Don't you find it ironic that those involved in cryonics created a system to try to eliminate hard cold cash?

All of this speculation is wrong, if you want to know who is Satoshi Nakamoto then watch Bitcoin Telecast on Youtube. Voice of Satoshi.

[Roselyn]

I am going to unmask Satoshi Nakamoto. Is the Bitcoin Talk Forum ready to meet Satoshi Nakamoto? When I will unmask the Real Satoshi Nakamoto what are you intend to ask him? Satoshi Nakamoto is a British Asian Digital Scientist who invented Bitcoin on the 9 May 2007 in Croydon South London. I have met him after two years of research on Bitcoin.

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

I am going to unmask Satoshi Nakamoto. Is the Bitcoin Talk Forum ready to meet Satoshi Nakamoto? When I will unmask the Real Satoshi Nakamoto what are you intend to ask him? Satoshi Nakamoto is a British Asian Digital Scientist who invented Bitcoin on the 9 May 2007 in Croydon South London. I have met him after two years of research on Bitcoin.

What is the deal with you? you seem to be posting this everywhere, I even received a PM. Can you please reveal whatever information you have on Satoshi Nakamoto and share it with us if you are serious at all?

[Roselyn]

Why not asking the author of the photo?

https://i.imgur.com/boPjcgj.png

Good question maybe the person who took the picture is satoshi everyone looking at. Who knows only time will say in this matter if the real satoshi will stand up and present himself in the future or not.

I was going to ask him, but the person who took the picture's twitter account shows he already tweeted that "Even Nick Szabo thinks that Nick Szabo is probably Satoshi Nakamoto".

https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/599294356202336256

http://s18.postimg.org/djopyej61/szasbo3.png

That is not Nick Szabo. Nick Szabo is Niklos Szabo the Hungarian Polish American Tall man. His name in the Never Say Anything  is Nicholas Szabo the Egg man.

[Roselyn]

Nick Szabo is also a pseudonym.

Again, it's been assumed by others who are not the real Satoshi Nakamoto. It could very well be Gavin again. SMDH.

Here are the people I think are "Nick Szabo":

Chris DeRose
Jeffrey Robinson (gasp!)
Gavin Andresen
Andreas Antonopolous

someone upload this photo to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

That Nick Szabo 4 is not that Niklos Szabo. The Egg man.

https://i.imgur.com/v27sSra.jpg?1

http://s18.postimg.org/pzns52h9l/1ns.jpg https://i.imgur.com/00rWcy4.png

Hmm interesting, so Nick Szabo is a real name and that one in the photo is the real Szabo.... Really interesting. Thanks for the second image .

[juankburke]

i am sure somewhere satoshi nakamoto is sitting and laughing his ass off seeing how everyone is looking for him and pointing fingers hey this is him nope this might be him ... he could very much be among us all along and no one knows it  

[Roselyn]

it could be one of satoshi's friends who has done all those things, just to misdirect traces

i think it is not him, and i'm still with the theory that satoshi nakamoto is a mere pseudo name that identify a group of coders, like skydrow or r.g.mechanics ecc...

I agree with you this man can not be Satoshi.There are two possibilities one what you said and the other one is someone wants to be famous and that's why let the NYT to claim about his identity.Satoshi will never come in front nor will be recognized by anyone.

Why not let him be Satoshi? Isn't the IRS looking for someone to lynch for the amount of coins stored in his wallets?

The first draft of the BitLicense stated that, “controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency” qualifies as Virtual Currency Business Activity subject to licensing. This remains unchanged in the new draft.

If someone proved he was Satoshi would they go after him for controlling, administering, or issuing a Virtual Currency? Can the BitLicense be applied to things that happened before its release? Probably not, but I haven't read the small print yet.

I think the IRS could care less about anything except taxes. Besides, they have no grounds to do anything and Satoshi did nothing wrong. Remember you owe money when you cash out coins, not just for owning them. You could have a billion dollars worth and your tax on them is zero. Now if you sell a billion dollars worth you will owe capitol gains on the growth in value.

You people want to know who is the real Inventor of Bitcoin? Well, any one genuinely want to know who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto means they are not the original hackers, so I am here to reveal the real Satoshi Nakamoto who invented Bitcoin May 2007. He is a British Asian Digital Scientist and Mathematician. His real identity I will reveal but I will do that in an apropriate time in the near future. Satoshi Nakamoto came to the Bitcoin Talk Forum with a Chinese flavour of his Robotic Pseudonym but the Bitcoin Talk Forum leader the Moderator has banned him. The warning message said, he need to appeals to Theymos.

Roselyn Hamilton
Bitcoin Telecast Report.

[coinmaster222]

He is not British that I can tell you for fact,Nor was he one person but 3

[TheLittleDuke]

He is not British that I can tell you for fact,Nor was he one person but 3

He/they were also not economists -- the fixed TXFEE is a noob move.  Way too naive.

Anyone with an Econ 101 background should have known that a PERCENTAGE based field would be more appropriate.

As it is now, small transactions cost more and the large coinflows are essentially a "free-rider"

It costs more computationally to verify multiple inputs vs the likely single in/out of a micro transaction.

It's also clear now that reward mechanism favors the wrong stakeholders.  There is very little incentive to run full nodes (20GB and growing plus the bandwidth for supporting the network of connections)

I recently had to scale back one of my public facing servers at a co-location facility because of the bandwidth costs.

-dvd

[LinaMay]

It doesn't matter who the real Satoshi is.

[AGD]

It doesn't matter who the real Satoshi is.

There will be a time, where it indeed DOES matter who Satoshi is. Especially interesting will be, what he will do with his 1 million Bitcoins. If you think, that this doesn't matter, you are wrong.

[monsanto]

It doesn't matter who the real Satoshi is.

There will be a time, where it indeed DOES matter who Satoshi is. Especially interesting will be, what he will do with his 1 million Bitcoins. If you think, that this doesn't matter, you are wrong.

100% agree. And my hunch is Satoshi doesn't intend to leave his stash sitting there forever.

[RealBitcoin]

It has become ridiculous with this conspiracies, at this point even my dog can be nakamoto

[AGD]

It doesn't matter who the real Satoshi is.

There will be a time, where it indeed DOES matter who Satoshi is. Especially interesting will be, what he will do with his 1 million Bitcoins. If you think, that this doesn't matter, you are wrong.

100% agree. And my hunch is Satoshi doesn't intend to leave his stash sitting there forever.

If he is dead, it is possible, that these coins never will be moved.
This would be the most logical reason, why he didn't move these coins after his disappearance, esp when they reached 1000+.

I would say it was a too much of a coincidence, that his disappearance followed Gavins CIA talk.

This could either mean, Satoshi wanted to stay under the radar or he was forced to.

My theory is, that he has been killed and the killers failed to obtain the private keys for Satoshi's wallets.

[blackbird307]

Killed? I don't think things are really that bad. I'm sure he just has a stash and waits for the price to increase.

[AGD]

Killed? I don't think things are really that bad. I'm sure he just has a stash and waits for the price to increase.

If he would be waiting for a good price, why he didn't sell some at 1000$?

[monsanto]

Killed? I don't think things are really that bad. I'm sure he just has a stash and waits for the price to increase.

If he would be waiting for a good price, why he didn't sell some at 1000$?

Maybe he did sell other coins he had accumulated.  Also, at that time he could have only sold a small fraction of his main stash at that price; there just wasn't enough liquidity.

[bitmaster1x]

I believe homer simpson is nakamoto or he just lost his private key

[mtnsaa]

For me it was always clear that Satoshi was Nick Szabo, their initials are reversed lol. But really, it's not some unknown mysterious guy you never heard of, it's clearly one of the big brains in this discipline but chose (very wisely) to disguise his identity because he must have anticipated many outcomes for Bitcoin that could lead to harmful consequences for him as a person.