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All we are looking at is a change in where the jobs are to be found. When the wheel was invented, the wheel-wrights took some of the jobs away from the shoemakers until the shoemakers adapted to the situation by finding new jobs, or by making parts for carts that had wheels on them. No difference with robots. If the only workers are robots, who is there to buy the products? Nobody has money, because nobody has jobs, because the robots took them all. Because of this, the whole robot scene crashes. Presently, the people who get in first with the robots are the ones who will make out reasonably well. They don't have much competition, and people will still be getting enough money from other jobs to buy the products robots make. The disadvantage is that the early robots may be proned to failure until all the bugs are worked out. It will be the same as always. Just like we don't have blacksmiths making cars any more, because robots took over the job, and the car companies all went bankrupt, and the nation bailed them out, there will come a time when the nation will not have the strength to bail anybody out again. We will go back to people doing the jobs, while the robots will rust. It's just a cycle. Smart people will watch and learn. They will roll with the cycle. They will run business or find jobs where they are needed. It's always been like this. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 20, 2015, 08:17:38 PM |
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All we are looking at is a change in where the jobs are to be found. When the wheel was invented, the wheel-wrights took some of the jobs away from the shoemakers until the shoemakers adapted to the situation by finding new jobs, or by making parts for carts that had wheels on them. No difference with robots. If the only workers are robots, who is there to buy the products? Nobody has money, because nobody has jobs, because the robots took them all. Because of this, the whole robot scene crashes. Presently, the people who get in first with the robots are the ones who will make out reasonably well. They don't have much competition, and people will still be getting enough money from other jobs to buy the products robots make. The disadvantage is that the early robots may be proned to failure until all the bugs are worked out. It will be the same as always. Just like we don't have blacksmiths making cars any more, because robots took over the job, and the car companies all went bankrupt, and the nation bailed them out, there will come a time when the nation will not have the strength to bail anybody out again. We will go back to people doing the jobs, while the robots will rust. It's just a cycle. Smart people will watch and learn. They will roll with the cycle. They will run business or find jobs where they are needed. It's always been like this. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Exactly. The fear about that all the work will vanish is nonsense. This fear exists since ages and it never happened. But what happened was that always new kind of works arose. At the moment it is the service sector. It's growing since years and taking over. Well, nobody should fear robots taking away their work. Though i think nobody should dream about not having to work anymore because robots do all the work either. If they do it isn't said that you will get something from the fruits of their labour.
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October 20, 2015, 11:39:09 PM |
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It's only a matter of time before we start seeing this pop up more and more around the country as worker's become harder and harder to deal with while robots and machine's become more efficient and cheap to manufacture.
Anything that a robot can do, don't expect a job to be available for that position within 5-10 years.
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October 20, 2015, 11:47:05 PM |
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It's only a matter of time before we start seeing this pop up more and more around the country as worker's become harder and harder to deal with while robots and machine's become more efficient and cheap to manufacture.
Anything that a robot can do, don't expect a job to be available for that position within 5-10 years.
Gotta start a robot making company, and hire all the folks who got laid off because of robots taking their job, to come and help make the robots at my company. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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October 21, 2015, 12:03:17 AM |
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Actually I already have made a few robots that do some pretty cool things autonomously. I probably could take it to a larger scale and at least train some of the people who lost their jobs to robots about robot/machine maintenance. Then they can work to maintain the robots that took their jobs, and probably make better pay doing that
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October 21, 2015, 12:06:21 AM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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October 21, 2015, 12:19:27 AM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That sounds pretty scary. It's one thing to have robots taking the jobs of millions of humans, but to give them the conscious ability to create themselves through AI completely independent from human interaction is some Science-Fiction storyline. We're gonna be in trouble when robots do our job cheaper, more efficiently and have the ability to reproduce millions of times quicker. AI would eventually build upon their own AI and they would make themselves smarter each day until they quietly take-over.
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October 21, 2015, 12:25:53 AM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That sounds pretty scary. It's one thing to have robots taking the jobs of millions of humans, but to give them the conscious ability to create themselves through AI completely independent from human interaction is some Science-Fiction storyline. We're gonna be in trouble when robots do our job cheaper, more efficiently and have the ability to reproduce millions of times quicker. AI would eventually build upon their own AI and they would make themselves smarter each day until they quietly take-over. Think of it this way. People have the ability to do almost entire mental makeovers in their life. It isn't easy. But a person can still train himself to be a totally different person if he wants, and really works at it. Yet, no matter what a person wants to do or be, ultimately, the plug is pulled, and the person goes to his final resting place. We don't have to tell the robots that we have a backdoor plug that we can pull on them any time we want. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 21, 2015, 12:31:01 AM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That sounds pretty scary. It's one thing to have robots taking the jobs of millions of humans, but to give them the conscious ability to create themselves through AI completely independent from human interaction is some Science-Fiction storyline. We're gonna be in trouble when robots do our job cheaper, more efficiently and have the ability to reproduce millions of times quicker. AI would eventually build upon their own AI and they would make themselves smarter each day until they quietly take-over. Think of it this way. People have the ability to do almost entire mental makeovers in their life. It isn't easy. But a person can still train himself to be a totally different person if he wants, and really works at it. Yet, no matter what a person wants to do or be, ultimately, the plug is pulled, and the person goes to his final resting place. We don't have to tell the robots that we have a backdoor plug that we can pull on them any time we want. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) My only worry is that if an AI is actually intelligent to some degree it won't be able to ignore it's own technical make-up. It will want to know it's own capabilities and limitations, including it's physical frame. If it spots something like a backdoor plug it could potentially render it useless and move itself past such a thing. Anything you can think of, a Progressive AI can think of quicker.
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October 21, 2015, 12:42:03 AM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That sounds pretty scary. It's one thing to have robots taking the jobs of millions of humans, but to give them the conscious ability to create themselves through AI completely independent from human interaction is some Science-Fiction storyline. We're gonna be in trouble when robots do our job cheaper, more efficiently and have the ability to reproduce millions of times quicker. AI would eventually build upon their own AI and they would make themselves smarter each day until they quietly take-over. Think of it this way. People have the ability to do almost entire mental makeovers in their life. It isn't easy. But a person can still train himself to be a totally different person if he wants, and really works at it. Yet, no matter what a person wants to do or be, ultimately, the plug is pulled, and the person goes to his final resting place. We don't have to tell the robots that we have a backdoor plug that we can pull on them any time we want. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) My only worry is that if an AI is actually intelligent to some degree it won't be able to ignore it's own technical make-up. It will want to know it's own capabilities and limitations, including it's physical frame. If it spots something like a backdoor plug it could potentially render it useless and move itself past such a thing. Anything you can think of, a Progressive AI can think of quicker. By the time we figure out how to make AI, we will also figure out how to give it a max IQ of, say, 50. We won't give it strength beyond our physical strength. We will build safe-guards in. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 21, 2015, 12:57:11 AM |
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It is still scary to think though that one act of negligence could have a tremendously profound effect on the future of Earth entirely. I'd love to think that we could perfectly program a powerful AI with physical capabilities and intellectual thought processes with safe-guards and the-like, but it's fun to think what might happen in 50-years.
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October 21, 2015, 02:31:11 AM |
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I'm still waiting for my local McD's to switch over to the robot staff. I'm not eating there until they do.
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October 21, 2015, 01:24:37 PM |
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It's only a matter of time before we start seeing this pop up more and more around the country as worker's become harder and harder to deal with while robots and machine's become more efficient and cheap to manufacture.
Anything that a robot can do, don't expect a job to be available for that position within 5-10 years.
I think 10 Years are not enough. Maybe 20. It would need a huge boom if robots would overtake in 10 years. I don't see that coming yet. Of course many jobs will change in that time anyway. Started with the cars. Check out the google cars that drive autonomously pretty perfect already. Or the new Tesla model that can do the same. Even more futurama with it's electric motor. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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October 21, 2015, 01:26:14 PM |
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It's only a matter of time before we start seeing this pop up more and more around the country as worker's become harder and harder to deal with while robots and machine's become more efficient and cheap to manufacture.
Anything that a robot can do, don't expect a job to be available for that position within 5-10 years.
Gotta start a robot making company, and hire all the folks who got laid off because of robots taking their job, to come and help make the robots at my company. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Well, you would be outcompeted in a short time by those that use robots to manufacture the robots. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) You would not be able to compete because of the high wages you would have to pay.
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October 21, 2015, 01:29:59 PM |
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That's the spirit! Let's prepare the world for a job making robots. And, somewhere along the line, we can start building AI into them, so that they can make themselves. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That sounds pretty scary. It's one thing to have robots taking the jobs of millions of humans, but to give them the conscious ability to create themselves through AI completely independent from human interaction is some Science-Fiction storyline. We're gonna be in trouble when robots do our job cheaper, more efficiently and have the ability to reproduce millions of times quicker. AI would eventually build upon their own AI and they would make themselves smarter each day until they quietly take-over. Think of it this way. People have the ability to do almost entire mental makeovers in their life. It isn't easy. But a person can still train himself to be a totally different person if he wants, and really works at it. Yet, no matter what a person wants to do or be, ultimately, the plug is pulled, and the person goes to his final resting place. We don't have to tell the robots that we have a backdoor plug that we can pull on them any time we want. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) My only worry is that if an AI is actually intelligent to some degree it won't be able to ignore it's own technical make-up. It will want to know it's own capabilities and limitations, including it's physical frame. If it spots something like a backdoor plug it could potentially render it useless and move itself past such a thing. Anything you can think of, a Progressive AI can think of quicker. By the time we figure out how to make AI, we will also figure out how to give it a max IQ of, say, 50. We won't give it strength beyond our physical strength. We will build safe-guards in. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) There are already a huge amount of science fiction movies that deal with the topic of these safeguards being disabled by humans, by robots themselfes or by accident. If that happens then the results can't be foreseen. And it will happen. It is practically impossible that it won't happen. For the above reasons or because military or scientists are curious what they might be capable of doing.
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October 21, 2015, 01:48:09 PM |
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I'm still waiting for my local McD's to switch over to the robot staff. I'm not eating there until they do.
Yeah, me too! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) The food they are serving is not appealing to me at all, but when the robots will do it I'll go go there for sure.
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How about one that serves burgers made entirely from beef, now that would be innovative.
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October 22, 2015, 03:05:25 PM |
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How about one that serves burgers made entirely from beef, now that would be innovative.
Sounds awful... or do you want to say that there is a bread made out of beef that has put in artificial taste substances so that the whole thing tastes like a burger? I can imagine someone inventing that... just tu serve it all the burger maniacs... ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) :D:D
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October 22, 2015, 03:32:55 PM |
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Well, you would be outcompeted in a short time by those that use robots to manufacture the robots. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) You would not be able to compete because of the high wages you would have to pay. A part of the human workforce can be replaced with robots, but it is impossible to replace human intelligence with them. For example, can you imagine robots doing coding and programming? There are certain sections which are going to flourish once the robots take over the workforce. Remember the early computer era. The unemployment rate declined after the invention of computers, rather than going up.
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October 22, 2015, 03:49:42 PM |
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its a publicity stunt. McDonald's is desperate, their earnings are in steady decline and they will try anything. even if their robot restaurant works out and they open more, at the end of the day it is still McDonald's. unethically sourced GMO food that doesn't even taste very good. synthetic french fry oil that causes anal leakage colon cancer. it isn't the 60s any more, or even the 80s. people have access to information about what they buy and eat now. you can only feed them garbage for so long before they find something better. maybe something that you can actually chew on instead of the soft warm wet salty mess they serve up under the golden arches.
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