QUICKSELLER Vs. LEGENDSTER, LIVE NOW on Pay Per View, ROUND 1

[TheButterZone]

https://github.com/TheBitcoinFoundation/legal/blob/master/White%20Papers/White%20Paper%20-%20Receipt%20of%20BTC%20From%20Unknown%20Person.mdown

[Quickseller]

https://github.com/TheBitcoinFoundation/legal/blob/master/White%20Papers/White%20Paper%20-%20Receipt%20of%20BTC%20From%20Unknown%20Person.mdown

While this kind of argument would probably eventually give good cause to have KoS's name "cleared" assuming that BigBiz is unable to give a good counter argument, posts like this would be good reason to say that KoS should not be trusted. Although it is likely that KoS did not actually possess information to carry out his threat, KoS did make a specific threat against Vod and if a court would conclude that KoS had actually written that post (eg his account was not hacked ect) then he would likely be convicted of either the MD or federal equivalent of NC GS 14-227.1. While the fact that KoS's account could have been "hacked" could be a defense to such a criminal charge, it is the community accepted practice to hold people accountable when damage is caused as a result of such a hack. (Also it is all but certain that KoS's account was not hacked as of when the above post was made, especially considering that such threats have been made at other times by KoS and there has been no claim of such a hack).

Furthermore, it is the generally accepted practice to consider the lack of returning excess funds that are not owed to you when asked to be a scam.

This is just one example of how KoS should not be trusted

Edit: apparently this thread is another example as to why KoS should not be trusted (he received several negative ratings with a reference to that thread).

I also pointed out other reasons as to why KoS should not be trusted here even if it is decided the loan incident is concluded to not be a scam.

[Bicknellski]

Quickseller was removed from the default trust after receiving numerous valid accusations of leaving inaccurate feedback. Him going on huge rants to defend unreasonable decisions only made things worse and created a lot of drama in the forum. Sure whatever, he spends half his day here and negs people that are likely scammer. But he has proven to be extremely irresponsible when in the default trust.

I really can't get why Tomatocage thinks that keeping Quickseller in default trust is a good idea. I know that there was a deal between Quickseller and him going on, but if it's just for trusting him personally, he also has to consider that by adding him in his trust list he puts him in default trust again. A list from wich Quickseller was removed for causing chaos because of his irresponsible actions.

Again true why would this not be a concern of Tomatocage?

[Quickseller]

Quickseller was removed from the default trust after receiving numerous valid accusations of leaving inaccurate feedback.

Do you care to point out these threads and/or posts that back up these statements?

Him going on huge rants

Are you sure about this? Again please point out specific posts made by me.

to defend unreasonable decisions

What specific unreasonable decisions have I made?

I know that there was a deal between Quickseller and him going on,

What deal was this? If you are referring to a deal that TC is escrowing then I would point out that there are plenty of people that TC has escrowed for. If you are referring to some other deal then why don't you provide some kind of evidence of this?

[Blazed]

KoS - If you paid BigBitz back I think over time you could actually repair your reputation some. Will you ever be highly trusted...probably not, but people would at least deal with you. Try sending him the coins and rebuilding yourself here. Everyone loves a good come back story!

Step 1 - Pay back Bitz (he is good people)

Step 2 - Drop the QS thing and move on

Step 3 - Slowly build up some trust and be nice here

[alani123]

Quickseller was removed from the default trust after receiving numerous valid accusations of leaving inaccurate feedback.

Do you care to point out these threads and/or posts that back up these statements?

Him going on huge rants

Are you sure about this? Again please point out specific posts made by me.

to defend unreasonable decisions

What specific unreasonable decisions have I made?

I know that there was a deal between Quickseller and him going on,

What deal was this? If you are referring to a deal that TC is escrowing then I would point out that there are plenty of people that TC has escrowed for. If you are referring to some other deal then why don't you provide some kind of evidence of this?

I'm sure you remember the time that there were about 10 or so posts in the meta, most of wich were reports about inaccurate feedback you had left. Badbear removed you from his trust list shortly after some specific topics started gaining traction and receiving responses from more prominent members.

Want me to provide 'evidence' of you going on huge rants to defend said inaccurate ratings? Well you kind of do this nearly every time, but here's one still:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065347.0

As of what I refer to a 'deal' between you and Tomatocage, yes I was talking about the escrow. I'm aware that he offers escrow services openly. I just find it a bit odd that you went in an escrow transaction with him shortly after being removed from default trust and next thing we know is him having you added in his trust list.

[BitcoinDistributor]

KoS - If you paid BigBitz back I think over time you could actually repair your reputation some. Will you ever be highly trusted...probably not, but people would at least deal with you. Try sending him the coins and rebuilding yourself here. Everyone loves a good come back story!

Step 1 - Pay back Bitz (he is good people)

Step 2 - Drop the QS thing and move on

Step 3 - Slowly build up some trust and be nice here

I've offered many times to pay him back the USD version of the BTC he sent me. He knew personally that I never kept BTC in BTC form for long, always converted to USD. At the time BTC was $125, many times I offered him the sum of $250, even at one point to get it done, $275 converted to BTC at time of agreement in exchange for dropping the scammer label and stop badmouthing me. He refused multiple times.

At this point I've given up with the situation and moved on. I am slowly building up the reputation of specifically one of my alt accounts thru successful trading while also staying under the radar. Hopefully I will become trusted again and back in the escrow biz where you guys all are. And no people not to scam but graciously accept the escrow tips that I was earning before when I used to escrow all the time under KOS.

[DiamondCardz]

I've offered many times to pay him back the USD version of the BTC he sent me. He knew personally that I never kept BTC in BTC form for long, always converted to USD. At the time BTC was $125, many times I offered him the sum of $250, even at one point to get it done, $275 converted to BTC at time of agreement in exchange for dropping the scammer label and stop badmouthing me. He refused multiple times.

Look in all honesty I actually think that's a pretty fair agreement and I don't see why BigBitz doesn't take it rather than just refusing it...other than you kind of appearing to have shady morals after flat-out stating you didn't have any responsibility to send it back. Eh, I don't know. I would just take it.

[Quickseller]

I've offered many times to pay him back the USD version of the BTC he sent me. He knew personally that I never kept BTC in BTC form for long, always converted to USD. At the time BTC was $125, many times I offered him the sum of $250, even at one point to get it done, $275 converted to BTC at time of agreement in exchange for dropping the scammer label and stop badmouthing me. He refused multiple times.

Look in all honesty I actually think that's a pretty fair agreement and I don't see why BigBitz doesn't take it rather than just refusing it...other than you kind of appearing to have shady morals after flat-out stating you didn't have any responsibility to send it back. Eh, I don't know. I would just take it.

From the looks of it, he did accept the deal, although if you read further down then you will see that BigBitz said that he was not going to remove his negative trust against KoS.

Also, it appears to be disputed that KoS only agreed to repay 2 BTC and not 4 BTC

[Quickseller]

Quickseller was removed from the default trust after receiving numerous valid accusations of leaving inaccurate feedback.

Do you care to point out these threads and/or posts that back up these statements?

Him going on huge rants

Are you sure about this? Again please point out specific posts made by me.

to defend unreasonable decisions

What specific unreasonable decisions have I made?

I know that there was a deal between Quickseller and him going on,

What deal was this? If you are referring to a deal that TC is escrowing then I would point out that there are plenty of people that TC has escrowed for. If you are referring to some other deal then why don't you provide some kind of evidence of this?

I'm sure you remember the time that there were about 10 or so posts in the meta, most of wich were reports about inaccurate feedback you had left. Badbear removed you from his trust list shortly after some specific topics started gaining traction and receiving responses from more prominent members.

Want me to provide 'evidence' of you going on huge rants to defend said inaccurate ratings? Well you kind of do this nearly every time, but here's one still:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065347.0

As of what I refer to a 'deal' between you and Tomatocage, yes I was talking about the escrow. I'm aware that he offers escrow services openly. I just find it a bit odd that you went in an escrow transaction with him shortly after being removed from default trust and next thing we know is him having you added in his trust list.

The nature freedom of speech is that anyone can make any claim they want with or without there being any legitimacy to such claim. Feel free to find a thread that claims that I left an inaccurate negative rating, along with evidence that such rating was in fact inaccurate.

The rating I left in the referenced thread was never a negative rating, although the comment that I left is factually accurate.

I guess you are free to speculate that the ~.07 that TC will receive for the escrow fee is enough for him to compromise his interrogatory and sell a spot on default trust. I can say with a good amount of certainty that TC does not sell positions on the default trust network, however if spots were to be sold they would likely be sold for a lot more then .07 BTC. Also, I have used TC as escrow a number of other times.

[Quickseller]

imardern
JustAGuyFromTexas
YouCrazyBro
BitcoinDistributor
whatsbitcoin2
Kingofsports
Kingofsports2
Bitcoingirly123

73.39.221.39
206.196.184.90
???106.216.231.233???

What exactly is this list? Do you happen to have a copy of the dumped DB? It appears that among other things, if these accounts really can be linked back to KoS, that the account JustAGuyFromTexas had tried to send a fake escrow contract from DannyHamilton, which would mean that KoS is more then a one-time scammer as he claims.

[DiamondCardz]

I've offered many times to pay him back the USD version of the BTC he sent me. He knew personally that I never kept BTC in BTC form for long, always converted to USD. At the time BTC was $125, many times I offered him the sum of $250, even at one point to get it done, $275 converted to BTC at time of agreement in exchange for dropping the scammer label and stop badmouthing me. He refused multiple times.

Look in all honesty I actually think that's a pretty fair agreement and I don't see why BigBitz doesn't take it rather than just refusing it...other than you kind of appearing to have shady morals after flat-out stating you didn't have any responsibility to send it back. Eh, I don't know. I would just take it.

From the looks of it, he did accept the deal, although if you read further down then you will see that BigBitz said that he was not going to remove his negative trust against KoS.

Also, it appears to be disputed that KoS only agreed to repay 2 BTC and not 4 BTC

Welp, RIP. That changes the game then, if he's just actively avoiding paying the money. Funny thing is Bitcoin is so low right now that he wouldn't even lose that much out of his own pocket to just pay the full 2 BTC back anyway...

[BitcoinDistributor]

I've offered many times to pay him back the USD version of the BTC he sent me. He knew personally that I never kept BTC in BTC form for long, always converted to USD. At the time BTC was $125, many times I offered him the sum of $250, even at one point to get it done, $275 converted to BTC at time of agreement in exchange for dropping the scammer label and stop badmouthing me. He refused multiple times.

Look in all honesty I actually think that's a pretty fair agreement and I don't see why BigBitz doesn't take it rather than just refusing it...other than you kind of appearing to have shady morals after flat-out stating you didn't have any responsibility to send it back. Eh, I don't know. I would just take it.

From the looks of it, he did accept the deal, although if you read further down then you will see that BigBitz said that he was not going to remove his negative trust against KoS.

Also, it appears to be disputed that KoS only agreed to repay 2 BTC and not 4 BTC

Welp, RIP. That changes the game then, if he's just actively avoiding paying the money. Funny thing is Bitcoin is so low right now that he wouldn't even lose that much out of his own pocket to just pay the full 2 BTC back anyway...

No specifically I told Bigbitz once paid the $250 or $275 whatever it was that you would remove the negative trust and make a post saying that the debt or whatever he would call is settled/repaid so that I could actively reach out to those who red trusted me to consider changing / removing their feedback. Instead he goes on to tell me that he would not remove the negative trust and that i would still owe the remaining balance of 2.00 BTC - X.XX BTC (worth $250-$275) and would reach out to those who left negatives to keep it there until the full 2 BTC was repaid. So no there was no settlement and I did try my best to reach a fair agreement just get it done with.

[TECSHARE]

I have seen you exercise more of the Vod method of scambusting, where you attack anyone who provokes your suspicions with little or no evidence, shotgun style, and let God sort out the rest.

Badbear asked me to give you a chance, and I am.  I've removed your negative trust.

I hope you don't disappoint me.     Good luck.

This is exactly the egotistical bullshit that I am talking about.
Who the bloody hell do you think you are that we need to not disappoint you...

And how dare we not listen to or live up to your standards, am I right? 

I noticed that Vod had previously left me a positive trust rating agreeing with me about the trust system (most likely out of spite of Badbear informing him he would be excluding him if he did not remove his rating). Now after the perceived slight quoted above, suddenly it is gone. I think he is having issues trying to figure out whom he should spite more (in stead of perhaps examining his own behavior).

[Bicknellski]

Quickseller was removed from the default trust after receiving numerous valid accusations of leaving inaccurate feedback. Him going on huge rants to defend unreasonable decisions only made things worse and created a lot of drama in the forum. Sure whatever, he spends half his day here and negs people that are likely scammer. But he has proven to be extremely irresponsible when in the default trust.

I really can't get why Tomatocage thinks that keeping Quickseller in default trust is a good idea. I know that there was a deal between Quickseller and him going on, but if it's just for trusting him personally, he also has to consider that by adding him in his trust list he puts him in default trust again. A list from wich Quickseller was removed for causing chaos because of his irresponsible actions.

Again true why would this not be a concern of Tomatocage?

It makes little sense to keeping this guy on any Default list it is just thread after thread of complaints and just look at the recent bullshit claim he just made this weekend. Run a person through the mud without even talking to the guy? Hey Techshare you watching this or are you still hung up on Vod?

[legendster]

..brings out a fire in me.

..why ??  Did you poop out some jalapeno sauce ??

[BitcoinEXpress]

Serious question.

What is bad about Quickseller being on the default trust list?

With Vod going into retirement, the Bitcoin community needs someone like that.


~BCX~

[Quickseller]

Serious question.

What is bad about Quickseller being on the default trust list?

With Vod going into retirement, the Bitcoin community needs someone like that.


~BCX~

I am curious to know how many threads we would see requesting specific moderators to be removed from being moderators if the identity of the moderator was revealed publicly any time a moderator took action against someone.

[DiamondCardz]

Serious question.

What is bad about Quickseller being on the default trust list?

With Vod going into retirement, the Bitcoin community needs someone like that.


~BCX~

I don't think there's that much bad about him, though he can be jumpy as hell to make decisions. That's my primary concern but hopefully Quickseller is moving to address that anyway. This community needs more investigation, more question-asking and less jumping to conclusions.

[tspacepilot]

Serious question.

What is bad about Quickseller being on the default trust list?

With Vod going into retirement, the Bitcoin community needs someone like that.

~BCX~

I don't think there's that much bad about him, though he can be jumpy as hell to make decisions. That's my primary concern but hopefully Quickseller is moving to address that anyway. This community needs more investigation, more question-asking and less jumping to conclusions.

Hopefully you're correct about him changing his overly-destructive MO.  Anyway, now that TC has removed him from default trust (again) perhaps it's time to let this thread die.  The title is more than a little inflammatory, and quite outdated at this point.