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November 12, 2013, 07:21:33 AM
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This idiotic thread keeps popping up to "New post..." list because you 2, armchair linguist, (still practicing armchair law?) are thread crapping as usual. 
LOL, you 2 really need to get a life outside of this forum. Get out, go have a pint in your local and talk to someone, face to face.

It seems that the recent discussion is about whether the pirate, of whom we know that he ran a Ponzi scheme, might have run something else. Isn't that rather pointless?

It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
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November 12, 2013, 07:27:15 AM
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It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
Code red! Someone is wrong on the Internet!

Warning the investors won't work if lessons aren't learned. We warned until we were blue in the face about Pirate, and not enough people listened. For reasons I cannot fathom, there appear to be people actively opposed to learning lessons.

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November 12, 2013, 07:34:24 AM
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It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
Code red! Someone is wrong on the Internet!

Warning the investors won't work if lessons aren't learned. We warned until we were blue in the face about Pirate, and not enough people listened. For reasons I cannot fathom, there appear to be people actively opposed to learning lessons.

Yes, if even those who already know that Pirate ran a Ponzi scheme now try to argue that he could have been legitimate, then you must be right. Somehow this is funny.
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November 12, 2013, 08:26:53 AM
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Yes, if even those who already know that Pirate ran a Ponzi scheme now try to argue that he could have been legitimate, then you must be right. Somehow this is funny.
Any suggestions? Is there some other way to say "this is obviously a Ponzi scheme"?

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November 12, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
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I think for some people the mathematics of Ponzi are just too counterintuitive so that they are not immediately obvious, even if they are able to understand the maths. They let their feelings of confidence and trust override their rational capabilities. It might be that if it seems hard to understand why some people think that something is definitely, without a doubt a ponzi, you need to think it through from a hypothetical scammer's perspective. It's actually very easy to run a ponzi scam (the hard thing is determining when to run with the money). The only thing that is needed is the tendency to let feelings override rationality. Many people who OUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN BETTER have been scammed. Being (susceptible for being) scammed is not the same as being stupid. No amount of intellect can save you if you let your feelings override it.
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November 12, 2013, 08:59:37 AM
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I think for some people the mathematics of Ponzi are just too counterintuitive so that they are not immediately obvious, even if they are able to understand the maths. They let their feelings of confidence and trust override their rational capabilities.

Greed? Or, to put it more politely, the intense wish to get rich quick.

It might be that if it seems hard to understand why some people think that something is definitely, without a doubt a ponzi, you need to think it through from a hypothetical scammer's perspective. It's actually very easy to run a ponzi scam (the hard thing is determining when to run with the money). The only thing that is needed is the tendency to let feelings override rationality. Many people who OUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN BETTER have been scammed. Being (susceptible for being) scammed is not the same as being stupid. No amount of intellect can save you if you let your feelings override it.

Very true. But the intensity of the rationalizations kept surprising me. (I don't tend to get emotional when dealing with money.)

Look at this discussion here. Even now, when we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme, somebody is arguing in the direction that it might not have been a Ponzi scheme. Seems rather ridiculous to me, but that is how our buggy brains sometimes work.
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November 12, 2013, 09:06:23 AM
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we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme

I guess people who 'know things for sure' must be much smarter than me.

I honestly can't think of a single thing in this entire world that I know for sure.

Permanently agnostic across all areas it seems.
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November 12, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
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we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme

I guess people who 'know things for sure' must be much smarter than me.

I honestly can't think of a single thing in this entire world that I know for sure.

Permanently agnostic across all areas it seems.

Well then you know the fact that you don't know anything for sure.  Or are you unsure of that also?   Wink
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November 12, 2013, 10:19:47 AM
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we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme

I guess people who 'know things for sure' must be much smarter than me.

I honestly can't think of a single thing in this entire world that I know for sure.

Permanently agnostic across all areas it seems.

Well then you know the fact that you don't know anything for sure.  Or are you unsure of that also?   Wink

Of course; Knowing that would be a paradox. Like saying "This statement is false". So in that sense you are indeed correct, that it is also something I'm unsure of.
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November 12, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
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we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme

I guess people who 'know things for sure' must be much smarter than me.

I honestly can't think of a single thing in this entire world that I know for sure.

Permanently agnostic across all areas it seems.

You must have really enjoyed your Freshman survey class "Western Philosophy from Socrates to Descartes"


"Permanently" you say ....?
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November 12, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
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You have to look at how native speakers actually use the word. Really.



According to you, "literally" is literally the same as "figuratively", then.
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November 12, 2013, 04:52:46 PM
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Off Fucking Topic Guys.

Goat, Just lock this fucking thread.

Christ.

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