BFL SC / Jally first picture?

[Gyrsur]

They used the picture of an FPGA single because they want people to believe they have a working product and for people to order the product, when they probably have NOTHING done at all yet.

I bet they won't even come up with a working product, and rather run with everyone's BTC and money and all trade ins.

Isn't that a smart idea for a scammer?  Get people to trust them by shipping out FPGAs that are working, pretend they have an ASIC coming and wait for the trade ins and just run?

We've already seen it.  They're deceptive and trying to trick people. 

They really probably don't even have the investment capital to fully design and develop an ASIC.  It's a joke.

So unless they really come out this is what my thoughts are.  Don't pre order unless you can find a WORKING product.  There's no guarantees they will follow through with it, and we have absolutely no proof they are working on the product, no pictures or anything.

absolutely true! maybe the next major scam in the Bitcoin history!

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[Gyrsur]

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototype as BFL mentioned?

[crazyates]

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototyp as BFL mentioned?

Nope, but I got a FPGA Single in the mail. That was just to convince me they're a real company so I'll buy more ASICs, amiright? Those evil bastards at BFL are geniuses!

I suppose Newegg is probably doing the same thing" building both their brand name and a customer base over years of good products and quality support at decent prices, just so they can rip me off later on down the road. You've convinced me. From now on I'm only going to shop for computer parts at Wal-Mart, where I can see and hold what I'm buying in my hand!

[CJGoodings]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

[crazyates]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

[Gyrsur]

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototyp as BFL mentioned?

Nope, but I got a FPGA Single in the mail. That was just to convince me they're a real company so I'll buy more ASICs, amiright? Those evil bastards at BFL are geniuses!

did pirateat40 payout interest in the early days of his business? yes or no?

[aqrulesms]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.  And why would they use deceptive marketing?  That's a really bad practice.

Another good point that is in fact true is that BFL did not develop the FPGA on their own.  Someone can easily buy that chip from the supplier for BFL.

In the case of ASICs however, BFL does not have a supplier and is therefore dependent on developing the ASIC themselves.  The FPGAs were different, some other company developed them.

Knowing that one can state that BFL may not have the experience needed to fully develop an ASIC.  The FPGA single is not CUSTOM at all.

[Gyrsur]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders is nothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

[crazyates]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a  ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

[Gyrsur]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a  ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

EDIT: and I mean a photo of the new ASIC board not of the old FPGA board here: http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=CtqlKFjhUUL-5KsHa-gaoyoHwDf-P3ZgD_-er7UC36q-6exABIMekoB1Q2_SVo_z_____AWCVwpmCrAegAem6iuMDyAECqAMByAPdBKoEYE_Qt6NC-P6r89hTGZAdBVz9cyrbwo9L1LOf93mZ8RzBAmMfUQUHeyKRP3GfhULOcF7vkTVwF3xsizOVbtlcUpsEjuiVTkYg26Ujr_Kmi45kl9w8EKln8CSjoaD9-Sc35ogGAaAGAg&num=1&cid=5Ghoqpc_VeYfjYtIxMwH_XHg&sig=AOD64_14gFQ-xSbRHs9lk2_OYjkwdnofLw&client=ca-pub-7496764558485520&adurl=http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/&nm=4&nx=396&ny=33&mb=2&clkt=103&jca=8274&bg=!AwcTv5DvAgAAAAoqAJJ3Vw5YIumPRGq5uJaaztLtHEYbfz0-DX0WEpMMopP3c5rI30adeuSec29eSwg80AphHqQjRFJ9uYMfQ9Cf30opgmcktuU9HLHHOzHCUS7IkSMxULjIvOFutCvRAmuiFM0WZRgqEK_uHA-FKCDftKXCYAdy63ZaThQtVROb4UppfFF7YJzGmtEgoAK-FwAyH3Re7A

[crazyates]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a  ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

[Gyrsur]

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a  ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

right, but in the moment we speak only about BFL because they did start with this ASIC discussion months ago! the others will follow to be discused. but be fair give them the whole amount of time wich we gave BFL too. BTW I know only bASIC doesn't know a other with a ASIC product anouncment.

[aqrulesms]

Correct.

BFL is however the most discussed and speculated on this forum and therefore it is a good example of what could be a scam. 

I would not invest in any other companies or groups here announcing an ASIC because they have not provided proof either. 

[crazyates]

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

right, but in the moment we speak only about BFL because they did start with this ASIC discussion months ago! the others will follow to be discused. but be fair give them the whole amount of time wich we gave BFL too. BTW I know only bASIC doesn't know a other with a ASIC product anouncment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108375.0

[Gyrsur]

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

right, but in the moment we speak only about BFL because they did start with this ASIC discussion months ago! the others will follow to be discused. but be fair give them the whole amount of time wich we gave BFL too. BTW I know only bASIC doesn't know a other with a ASIC product anouncment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108375.0

thank you, I saw it already but thought it is based on BFL or bASIC and isn't an own product of Tycho. I suppose we have to wait 6 months and then the situation would be clearer.

[runeks]

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototyp as BFL mentioned?

Nope, but I got a FPGA Single in the mail. That was just to convince me they're a real company so I'll buy more ASICs, amiright? Those evil bastards at BFL are geniuses!

No no no. They will ship the ASICs alright, and then they will start scamming customers with the money made from their next product line. Although a different tactic could be employed, where they also ship this next product line, and THEN pull the plug. It's god damn brilliant if you ask me.

[Pipesnake]

The Bitcoin community has made BFL rich on nothing but words.  It is irrelevant whether or not they develop an ASIC .  BFL has won.  There are even people sucking BFLs balls in their signatures praising them for a product which doesn't even exist yet.

[aqrulesms]

The Bitcoin community has made BFL rich on nothing but words.  It is irrelevant whether or not they develop an ASIC .  BFL has won.  There are even people sucking BFLs balls in their signatures praising them for a product which doesn't even exist yet.

Yeah, if they indeed come out with a working product then I will buy from them.

Meanwhile the people arguing for BFL have nothing but to hope they come with a product because they pre-ordered without thinking it through.

Why would BFL even have pre-orders?  It's because they didn't have enough money to even develop an ASIC.  Think about it, if only 100 people pre ordered for ASICs and no one else they would never come out with a product.

[freeAgent]

So all those shipped FPGA parts are nothing but words?  I mean, there are certainly questions about BFL's progress with ASIC, but they are a real company that has real products and has been shipping them to consumers.

[fizzisist]

The Bitcoin community has made BFL rich on nothing but words.  It is irrelevant whether or not they develop an ASIC .  BFL has won.  There are even people sucking BFLs balls in their signatures praising them for a product which doesn't even exist yet.

Yeah, this has really been surprising me. Crazyates, are you getting some kick backs for the ad in your sig? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just curious.

Also, psy is another one. Any incentive for you?