UPDATE 16 Sept 2015:
All the latest indications are that the Wardick account was taken over by an imposter---having been either stolen or sold sometime during or after the original Wardrick's "rage-quit". Many have suggested that Tradefortress might have been behind the stolen account and that would certainly explain "Wardrick"'s suddent enthusiasm to inherit the Tradefortress legacy whole heartedly, as wel as some of his intimidation techniques and general unpleasantness. At the moment, Theymos has locked the Wardrick account due to the suspicous behavior so it may be that the issue here has been resolved (finally).
I don't know what precident there is for deleting the feedback and actions of an attacker who gains control of an account when the original owner is long-gone, but I'm looking forward to finding some reasonable resolution. During the few days that the attacker had control of the Wardick account, he did do quite a few edits of the original Wardrick's feedback---having removed at least one positive on ndnhc, and having added a number of negatives to those who seemed to be opposing Quickseller/Tradefortress in QS's scandal.
The thread will stay open for now as Theymos continues to investigate, but I'm starting to be hopeful that this nonsense, nightmare saga from discredited Tradefortress and Quickseller is finally going to be put to bed.
UPDATE 7 Sept. 2015:
QS has joined Tradefortress in the realm of the completely discredited thanks to an escrow scam he was pulling off. Surprisingly, a fellow who goes by the handle of "Wardrick" has appeared to inherit the Tradefortress lineage of lies. Why? Who knows, maybe he'll speak for himself in this thread.
UPDATE 25 August 2015:
Quickseller has recently removed one of the trust sockpuppet ratings he has left on my account. Presumably he was responding to comments in this thread. Thank you Quickseller for solving this. There is one more sockpuppet account left for him to remove (it's unclear why he removed one but not the other). Hopefully he will remove that soon.
Then there will only be the matter of the main abusive rating from QS. But alas, maybe this issue will be solved one step at a time.
(Older OP content below hr)
The original content of this thread's OP is below the horizontal line. What's happened is that there are really three issues at play here and I had locked this topic and started three separate threads. However, the mods prefer to contain all of this in one thread so this has become a 3in1 of sorts.
The first part of the thread is mainly looking for tomatocage to weigh in, although there is some interesting stuff where Quickseller shows up and makes a mockery of my concerns, laughing at me and saying that he'll give 0.1
BTC to anyone who can convince him to leave me alone (a clearly impossible task).
The 3in1 section begins on page 3, here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.msg12055206#msg12055206
It seems that tomatocage has re-added quicktroller to his trust list. Which means his slanderous lies are once again reddening my reputation falsely. Which means I have to chat with tomatocage. But I find that I cannot send him a PM (PM blocked).
Is tomatocage's account okay? Not been hacked or anything I hope. I recall there was a moment about a month or so ago when he was shut out (I think).
TC, how do I contact you? I found your email on your profile page, is that what you prefer?
Incomplete list of quotes from forum members regarding this situation:(note, I have further support statements from many others who are off-the record in my PMs because they are afraid of retribution)
Your situation is unique tspacepilot with that scam accusation from so long ago. I can not really say if you scammed TF or not back then, but it does sort of look like you did. Back then TF was not so questionable so his ratings were pretty valid for most of us at that time. I personally would not have left you a negative, but I am not really a scam buster here either. QS does do a good job with scammers here so I do feel he is good for the DT network. He does sometime ruffle some feathers (as expected for what he does). I think you have done pretty much all you can do in this situation. You have also handled it very well by keeping your cool, and overall you seem pretty legit to me. I think you getting a neutral rating from him would be a good call for both parties as everyone here is pretty aware of what went down back then. Anyways good luck with all this.
I do believe tspacepilot deserve to get the negative trust feedback
removed and QS has not been right in doing this.
Those arguments before makes me convinces me that QS simply used a trust feedback as the next level of attack?
IMO, I don't think anyone should trust TF's word. He was a liar and a scammer.
Why don't you and Quickseller shake hand and make up. Endless strems of text and explanations. I doubt anybody read it. Come on, life is too short for this type of fights.
Make love not war <3
Like I said in my earlier posts, I think QS should change negative feedback to neutral. If he suspects tsp that much, it is probably better for him to keep an eye on tsp. But for now, although tsp did withdraw those coins, he is not worthy for a negative trust feedback/score.
But meh, the event in question for the negative trust happened 2 years ago. I see the reasoning for the negative trust but after that long it probably should just be let go. It wasn't *scamming* per se either like how EAL didn't *scam* Stunna by (allegedly) abusing the PrimeDice giveaway, just shady.
This whole thread in general from all main participants is ridiculous though. How the hell have you guys let this go on so long? Try an alternate route rather than all trying to scorched-earth (yes, your favourite phrase tspacepilot, but you do it as well) your way to the top by destroying each other's rep.
As I have said what feels like a long time ago, I dont think this should still be an issue. Yet it is. Im not entirely sure what Quicksellers motivation is and in fact I dont need to know. I know QS is very strict regarding the removal of trust. The idea that an account can be washed clean and thus a scammer can get away with a scam is something QS is against strongly. I mostly agree, yet still think that anyone should be given a chance to redeem themself. On top of that I remember to have read the thread that "proves" tspacepilots scam and I came to the conclusion that it does not deserve a negative feedback[1].
I also stated and I still think this is true that the rating by QS is fine and that they should stay on DefaultTrust.
Its seems though that neither of you two (QS & tsp) can just let this be and get on with your lives. Is it that you tspacepilot are hindered by the rating in any way or is this an ego/honor thing?
[1]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303613.msg11167058#msg11167058Tsp asked me to rethink my opinion about the issue and I did.
My overall assessment of the situation is (boiled down):
- the issue is from the ancient (in internet terms) past
- there has been no other issue since
- there is no concrete proof, just assumptions and interpretations
- the circumstances under which QS dug up an old post as well as the behavior[2] after the rating was left, indirectly removed (BadBear removing QS from DT) and reinstated (TC adding QS) along the several[1] ratings make me question whether this is personal or not.
Yes, there are no rules regarding the DT List, but I would suggest to remove the rating or at the very least change it to neutral.
[1] @QS Im not sure whats wrong with that word, but you left 3 ratings, as QS, as ACCTSeller (now removed) and as FunFunnyFan.
[2] Both sides seem to be locked in some sort of vendetta now. This is does effect other threads and posts.
I'm not against Quickseller (I've never even interacted with him/her) but I really feel this issue needs resolving.
tspacepilot is not a scammer.
Is there no way you can remove this negative trust Quickseller? For the good of the forum?
Please!
Be a good man & end this dispute.
I don't want to get too involved but this does need resolving once & for all.
Look at 'TradeFortress' trust (The guy at the centre of this dispute)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058Wow this is really sad that he is in the default list again . It is definitely true that he doesn't do things based on whats real and whats not but heavily lets his ego influence his decisions.
I am sure TC would have read this thread by now , but no idea why he chose to ignore it .
I know I have repeatedly pointed this out but you should also make him aware of how he puts trust on 2 exactly similar cases. pagalwana , proved earlier to be an alt account of a scammer was given as collateral for a loan . Quickseller initially added a negative trust to the account . Later that person who got the account asked Quickseller to act as an escrow for the sale of the account and just because Quickseller was getting 1$ for the trade he agreed and removed his negative trust. I actually had an exactly same case where I purchased the account from the person who initially gave the loan . The trust got added just as the same way after 2 months but just because I didn't use QS as an escrow and criticized his trust , he didn't care about the case after that. I believe its definitely not right to have him in the default list .
Not this again! I, and probably a lot of people are getting tired of these fights.
@quickseller How old are you? 5?
How about you drop the drama here. Now I ain't gonna take a side, because I wouldn't be surprised if I got negative trust as well. What you should have done is ignore his alt too, and just report the necro posts. There needs to be a line between disagreeing and distrusting someone. This makes me wonder if the staff (or whoever adds people) has correctly appointed members to the default trust list. There are a lot more mature and reliable members of the newer generation than someone who intentionally abuses trust due to a disagreement(s).
Don't you think so?
Trust isn't really moderated often. This is where it is a problem. People suffer the consequences.
How is this guy still on the trust list?
Yes you are right, there is no solid proof and even if it is, as dooglus said, it´s not really fraud? I mean after all quickseller was selling accounts with DT, which i would consider fraud. He should change it to neutral and leave it like that.
But no one can really force him to change his negative feedback, maybe one day he will retract and change it to a neutral one or better delete it. No one remember this sentence : Trust system is not moderated.
However I don't think that tspacepilot is a 'bad' person and the -ve trust is not necessary in my opinion (Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.) Maybe Quickseller thinks that tspacepilot IS a scammer, but I think he is wrong.
TF seems to have been quoting the whole amount that tsp withdrew, but only a small fraction of that was due to the malfunctioning bot.
You reaction to his bot accidentally earning a tiny amount of dust seems way over the top. How do you justify leaving multiple angry trust ratings for this? I think overall your contribution to the trust system is a net positive, but in this case it feels to me like it's borderline abusive.
