Yesminer M20 / M10

[yxt]

So you wired them that amount without any proof?
Have you looked at their prototype yourself?

If not, and this is real I think you are very naive.

[dogie]

Are you fucking real. Dogie and J4bberwock is able to confirm that this is me and has always been like that. Is it possible to have people kicked out of the forum for making false accusations ?

am I?

[Gornidah]

Oh man, don't tell me you paid 18k without even seen the hardware working with your OWN EYES! 
My bank account manager told me that its not possible to revert back a wire, only with receiver's consent.

[bittalc1]

Oh man, don't tell me you paid 18k without even seen the hardware working with your OWN EYES! 
My bank account manager told me that its not possible to revert back a wire, only with receiver's consent.

You can revert if you make financial security agreement between two companies, its just like escrow and the escrow is the bank. But without that agreement you cant do nothing.

[mavericklm]

Rubbish! 

[poodle63]

Hi,

Any open box review already? Kind curious about the performance of their miner, btw the way, TSMC Soon  will release 10nm process, so I guess, 16nm ASIC miner is truly existed, but could any one share open box or mining performance with us!? Checked delivery schedule there should be flash miners in the field already, really exiting!

[Xircom]

Are you fucking real. Dogie and J4bberwock is able to confirm that this is me and has always been like that. Is it possible to have people kicked out of the forum for making false accusations ?

am I?

Dogie, you should, we have PM a lot of times re the SP20e. You even send me discount code for buying more SP20e

[Xircom]

Oh man, don't tell me you paid 18k without even seen the hardware working with your OWN EYES!  
My bank account manager told me that its not possible to revert back a wire, only with receiver's consent.

You can revert if you make financial security agreement between two companies, its just like escrow and the escrow is the bank. But without that agreement you cant do nothing.

;-) Exactly and we have a signed contract from YM/PYC as well.

[mavericklm]

Man... i should stop mining btc and start mining bitcoinforum accounts!
Make one every week, make post. Give ~2hours/day to post and pump the acounts
After 1year or more, start to sell them!
How much for a hero account? i'm curious! .5btc? ~200$/week with 2h/day work )

[yxt]

Oh man, don't tell me you paid 18k without even seen the hardware working with your OWN EYES!  
My bank account manager told me that its not possible to revert back a wire, only with receiver's consent.

You can revert if you make financial security agreement between two companies, its just like escrow and the escrow is the bank. But without that agreement you cant do nothing.

;-) Exactly and we have a signed contract from YM/PYC as well.

This make no sense!
If it is a scam, you have a worthless piece of paper!
Why do you think they will honor the contract in that case?

Do you know the past from Mr Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner that the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?


I ask you again:
Would you do a bet with me?

[J4bberwock]

Its not a scam, sorry folks. I just got my shipping date for 11 pcs M20 + upgrades.
I also knows what will be released from Yesminers end this year, but cant tell yet, just that all those miners out right now is obsolete from all other companies, even Spondoolies, Bitmain, Avalon and bitfury. I got pics from Yesminers of the Units and will post here when they arrive, if they do ;-)
Chips are from TSMC who also makes the KNC chips and only 1 other company besides Yesminers owns the right to the chips. The NDA should be liftet any day now and im waiting for this to be liftet.
2500 Miners is going to be produced totally and next production schedule is set to end April.
Lets see when the miners arrive how they perform.... if they arrive ;-)

I can tell you a few things Mr. Xircom.  First is that you are a shill for Yesminers.  Oh, you want to know how I would know that? Well let me explain, Xircom has approx 44 pages of posts and about 38-40 of those pages are shilling for LTCD.  Then the account was quiet for a while and now you are promoting Yesminer.

Something else I noticed was that in the first 42 pages of your post history not 1 time did you post in the Scandinavian Section but now you seem to post there frequently, about Yesminer.  Peculiar

So, it is possible that I am wrong but I bet you that Xircom is a bought account and nothing more than a shill for Yesminers.

That's a pretty bold statement to accuse that I have sold my account and then seeing this coming from a Hero member account, im chocked !. If you had done your homework just a little better, you would know by now who I am and that this is my account.
Second, yes, I fancy EU produced products and would always be a patriot when it comes to EU produced or even western produced products. I do not fancy that all our hard earned money goes to China.
I have no interest in Yesminers besides I want them to succeed since I have a shit load of money placed on their miners.
Scandinavian section is dead......and I did post there re Electric prices we pay pr KW Sweden vs. Denmark vs Norway. Again, do you homework before making so stupid accuses.

I have been chasing for proof from Yesminers my self, since we have a farm in Iceland and wanted to replace some 3 gen miners with new 5 Gen and we made a decision based on a long e-mail and phone call history with Mike and Volker Stuider from Yesminers before we decided to go with them.
No matter what, we made a written contract with them and we get updates 1-2 times a week on the progress and the only thing I did was sharing a little of that info.

Think whatever you want, we made a decision and jumped on the boat. If its going to be a success only time will tell.
One thing is for sure, with people like you in the forum scares Investors in the Bitcoin network like me away from the forum and it will in the end up with only home miners and nobs sitting here shouting, knowing jack about what will come in the future, since you will never be invited to the table. So if you want solid info from someone who do talk direct with chip and hardware producers, you should be a little more skeptic about your own posts in the future, because the only thing you will get out of it, is that you will never know anything....

Regards Xircom, Copenhagen, Denmark.

It really isn't a bold statement, maybe a correct statement is a better word.  I think the others are realizing that you Xircom are a shill and are trying to scam people by giving them false hope.  Well I am not afraid to say that you are a bad person. 

If I am wrong I will gladly post an apology, I sure would like to see the wire transfer form or something REAL like a miner

Are you fucking real. Dogie and J4bberwock is able to confirm that this is me and has always been like that. Is it possible to have people kicked out of the forum for making false accusations ?
I really would like to have you kicked right now.

Here is a pic of my latest wire transfer:

I can confirm that Xircom is the same guy I know since 2014 or early 2015.
And even without a proof of payment, I trusted him when he said he paid for a bunch of the miners

It doesn't mean Yesminers are legit

They aren't providing any evidence of anything except a closed case with LCD and fans.
And a nice CG closed package to show they are shipping. They could at least show the pallets of boxes, or racks full of M20 mining.
Anybody who'd really want to sell would give more details.

I hope I'm wrong, but it's still very hard to believe they aren't just another scam.

[padrino]

Oh man, don't tell me you paid 18k without even seen the hardware working with your OWN EYES! 
My bank account manager told me that its not possible to revert back a wire, only with receiver's consent.

You can revert if you make financial security agreement between two companies, its just like escrow and the escrow is the bank. But without that agreement you cant do nothing.

If the bank is involved as a party that may be possible, an agreement between the two companies without an explicit acknowledgement by the bank does not provide anything approaching "escrow". In short the recipient of the wire can withdraw the funds and walk, the bank is not going to cough up 18K because of a contract issue between two parties they know nothing about..

Like others I hope they are in fact legitimate but the conduct thus far has me thinking like J4bberwock is, hard to believe it's not a scam..

[fr4nkthetank]

Let me explain to you how it works.

-make a product
-sell it

Conclusion:  Not a scam

Yesminers:

-Have no product
-selling it

Conclusion:  SCAM


How hard is this to understand ? 

[adaseb]

Where are the Yesminer M20 / M10 unboxing videos on youtube? Should be out by now

[SLEI]

They have big "stock" of M20 batch 1 miners, You can make  a 10000pcs. order at they pages

This seems to be quit profitable scam as they have sold many months vouchers for miners in Ebay and there are many happy customers.

[J4bberwock]

They have big "stock" of M20 batch 1 miners, You can make  a 10000pcs. order at they pages

This seems to be quit profitable scam as they have sold many months vouchers for miners in Ebay and there are many happy customers.

Either themselves buying to leave positive feedback, or people happy to get a voucher that works on the site and not understanding that the miner itself is vaporware.

[AJRGale]

**CUT wall of useless text with nothing to do with dogie or j4bberwock**

Are you fucking real. Dogie and J4bberwock is able to confirm that this is me and has always been like that. Is it possible to have people kicked out of the forum for making false accusations ?
I really would like to have you kicked right now.

Here is a pic of my latest wire transfer:

oooo, look at that, proof you gave people money, still no proof that they are not a scam or have any form of hardware..

so you're in the mentality to remove someone that has a different opinion to you? what are you? a SJW special snowflake? need your "safe space" on the internets? want a tissue for your daddy issue?


just to let you know, i lost 6BTC over a simple scam, i was given dates and times on when my product was delivered, etc. etc.
you dont just throw money down with someone who has "lol, preorder now, get your hardware when we make it, pay more get bonus!!"
if you ever had your eyes in the other "companies" that attempted to sell hardware, you'd know that you have lost out big time. these guys, like BFL can just "sorry, we cant give you hardware, brb, Hawaii!"

[crossini]

someone has received these miners? or is it just hot air?

you can give concrete news?

[Rabinovitch]

Once again: it's a scam. Until Yesminers prove that they are not scammers. But they simply don't want to do it. So it's a scam.

[ZipEyes]

Looks like a scam but you cant be never sure without proves. There is no actual proves at all neither way, just guessing.

Ebay vouchers cant be real, why would they sell miner worth of 4k€ sell it for 1k€. Also selling history is not correct. They sell everyday 1-2 miners and there is no record of it on listing. They are bidding themselfs.

Their pricing is also too low for the miners. You could ask much more if they r real.

If real not a bad investment. Buy voucher from ebay for 1k€ get your money back in one month of mining, bling bling.