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August 15, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
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There's rebelling and then there's being a criminal, these days in Britain all I see from the left are twats smashing up businesses and defacing monuments, I would never target defenceless people just 'because'.

You cannot say they are all leftists it takes all kinds of people to be violent, the majority of people I know who are politically active are non violent.
I like you oppose such things, and would like to think the majority of the UK residents are the same.

I cannot even think or remember a leftist twat being violent, oh yes I can Tony fkn Blair, now he and his kind are not welcome.

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August 15, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
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I prefer Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton. And with the in-fighting that's going on in the right, I feel that the republicans are going to be divided and conquered this upcoming election. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
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I try not to think all leftists, genuinely, I know for instance that quite a few on the left in America for example are actually a pretty rational bunch, but here in the UK? They're like the republican party inverted.



Oh sweet fucking jesus the irony of them attacking a monument to women LOL, but yeah, they're the kind of people I hate, that and the double standards regarding gender equality have been seriously pissing me off lately, which is something the British don't really like to talk about very much.

We just had a whole thing about A Levels over here and it didn't even slip by Daily Mail readers how biased everyone was being in the photographs and footage towards girls, the left as a whole in the UK may not advocate violence but the certainly have no problem with various forms of government sanctioned discrimination and violence in general, just so long as it helps them and scores them political points.
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August 15, 2015, 10:35:20 PM
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We are talking about illegal immigration. (There is no significant differences between the GOP and Democratic positions as far as legal immigration is concerned) These people don't pay taxes. And you want to hide that fact, by clubbing illegal immigration with legal immigration.
Actually, we're not talking about illegal immigration, we're talking about legal immigration (and I can say that since I'm the one that chose that point as support for my original post). I think both parties are against illegal immigration, but Republicans don't want any immigration..."immigrants steal jobs!", right? Not most of the jobs that most Americans tend to or want to work. And all immigrants, regardless of status pay taxes...there's sales tax on almost anything purchased (if you want to split hairs and it sounds like you do.)


Illegal immigrants are responsible for a majority of crimes in places such as California and New Mexico, and it is very difficult to catch them as they cross the border immediately after conducting the crimes.
If you don't have a source to support that comment you shouldn't represent it as fact. It's an absolute lie...but feel free to share the source if you have one, educate me, us. I won't disagree that the scenario of illegals committing a crime and fleeing the country happens, of course it does it...it's a pretty logical move if you commit a crime and have a home in another place that won't support extradition. The point is that this is not the majority, not even close, it doesn't characterize the immigrant population in the US - legal or illegal, but remember we're just talking about legal immigrants.

40,000 may be statistically insignificant. But $12 billion is not. That is more than the annual budget of Cyprus.
Any source for your $12M figure? And if you do the math you're talking about an expense equal to $300 per person (12m / 40k). Is that really a ridiculous amount per person for the Gov't to fund to try to help someone who's facing an death sentence disease? That amount of money is easily made up by the taxes that those people end up paying in the extra months or years of life they're given by providing these treatments...surely Republicans would love this, right? Allowing people to live with their disease so the Gov't and businesses can get a few more months or years of their economic activity?

You haven't said you're a Republican, so I won't assume. But what you have done is try to sensationalize a stereotype using big numbers, but when those big numbers are analyzed they don't make a very impactful statement.

And for the record, i'm an Capitalist...pro business all the way. I just don't understand the hypocrisy of the US political parties. It's time for a major change.

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August 16, 2015, 07:41:08 AM
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40,000 may be statistically insignificant. But $12 billion is not. That is more than the annual budget of Cyprus.
Any source for your $12M figure? And if you do the math you're talking about an expense equal to $300 per person (12m / 40k). Is that really a ridiculous amount per person for the Gov't to fund to try to help someone who's facing an death sentence disease?

I had originally posted $12 billion. And you changed it to $12 million.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the lifetime treatment cost of an HIV infection is estimated at $379,668 (in 2010 dollars). This will shoot up, as the life expectancy of the HIV infected individuals are on the rise. Now, you should remember that medication costs and health insurance for HIV infected people are highly subsidized by the government, to the tune of nearly 80%.

Why don't the government extend the same kind of subsidies to the cancer patients?
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September 26, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
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What's his position on bitcoin?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34d7az/bernie_sanders_is_running_for_president_he_doesnt/


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October 07, 2015, 02:59:44 PM
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Hallelujah! Bernie Sanders Supporters Claim FREE HEALTHCARE WAS INVENTED BY JESUS CHRIST





http://gospelofbernie.com/


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October 14, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
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Watch Bernie Sanders Say #BlackLivesMatter MORE THAN ALL LIVES (VIDEO) #DemDebate


During CNN’s Democrat debate, a Facebook questioner asked: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter? The question was aimed at Bernie Sanders for the obvious reason that his supporters are mostly white.

Let the record show that Sanders said that black lives matter more than all lives.

Watch the segment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3mvbxeA1UA



http://www.progressivestoday.com/watch-bernie-sanders-say-blacklivesmatter-more-than-all-lives-video-demdebate/


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October 14, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
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Trump: That Hillary Clinton did all right last night, huh?


“She got through it fine,” he said by phone this morning. “It was a very kind debate, very gentle. She came out the winner.”

Trump said Sen. Bernie Sanders should have attacked Clinton more and that their on-stage handshake was a mistake. “I think that he’s losing by quite a bit; he shouldn’t have done it,” Trump said of the Sanders-Clinton handshake prompted by Sanders’ saying Americans are tired of hearing about the “damn emails” that continues to dog her campaign.


That was a curious move, and it’s not surprising to see Trump focus on it as a sign of weakness in Sanders. Whether he intended it or not, it sent the message that Hillary would end up being the nominee, and that Sanders would play along when she eventually sends him out to pasture. It’s all the more curious, coming after Hillary’s pounding of Sanders on gun control and on capitalism, which may have been the most surprising moment of the night from Hillary. Trump doesn’t mention it, but Sanders’ lack of response to those two attacks sent the same message. Sanders isn’t in it to win it — he’s in it to score a few points and return to the back bench whence he came.

National Journal’s Ron Fournier thinks Hillary won, too — mainly through deception:

The em­battled front-run­ner won her­self a news cycle or two, be­cause she stretched the truth and played to a friendly audi­ence. It won’t al­ways be so.

It took more than an hour be­fore CNN’s An­der­son Cooper asked Clin­ton about the cov­ert email sys­tem she es­tab­lished as sec­ret­ary of State in de­fi­ance of fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions, sub­vert­ing the Free­dom of In­form­a­tion Act, thwart­ing con­gres­sion­al over­sight, and jeop­ard­iz­ing U.S. secrets. And, even then, her chief rival offered Clin­ton cov­er. …

Pro­fes­sion­al Demo­crats and the party’s strongest voters are cer­tainly tired of hear­ing about the email scan­dal, but it’s not go­ing to go away—not with the FBI in­vest­ig­at­ing wheth­er con­fid­en­tial in­form­a­tion was mis­handled un­der Clin­ton’s sys­tem, and not with in­de­pend­ent voters los­ing faith in Clin­ton’s word.

Char­ac­ter and judg­ment are gate­way polit­ic­al is­sues. An un­trust­worthy can­did­ate might check all your policy boxes, might tickle your ideo­lo­gic­al but­tons, and might even grind away long enough to get your vote—but you’re not go­ing to like it.
That is Clin­ton’s prob­lem. Like it was in 2008, her char­ac­ter is the is­sue that threatens to con­sume all oth­ers.



In other words, she won a brief respite, not the battle. But what she also won was a concession from everyone else on the stage last night that they won’t attack her on that most vulnerable point in her armor. Only Lincoln Chafee made a passing and oblique reference to being scandal-free; the rest of the field refused to engage on Clinton’s character. They had an opportunity to burst the Hillary bubble, but instead they crawled inside of it and pretending it didn’t exist.

As Fournier notes, that won’t be the case if/when Hillary has to compete against the Republican nominee. But for one night, Hillary won in large part because her opponents declined to compete, and Sanders all but conceded on stage. Trump got this one exactly right.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/14/trump-that-hillary-clinton-did-all-right-last-night-huh/


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October 14, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
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I prefer Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton. And with the in-fighting that's going on in the right, I feel that the republicans are going to be divided and conquered this upcoming election. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

Yes we will have to wait and see.  But don't expect the repubs to be divided and conquered.  That's not going to work this time.
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October 14, 2015, 07:02:35 PM
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I prefer Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton. And with the in-fighting that's going on in the right, I feel that the republicans are going to be divided and conquered this upcoming election. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

Yes we will have to wait and see.  But don't expect the repubs to be divided and conquered.  That's not going to work this time.


I have no love for socialists. But I really thought sanders was his own man. That image vanished when he touched the hand of the she devil, defending her.

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December 18, 2015, 03:24:43 PM
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The clintons?... But of course. Bernie is done.




    Washington Post ~ DNC: Sanders campaign improperly accessed Clinton voter data
    Buzzfeed ~Bernie Sanders Campaign Accessed Confidential Clinton Data
    New York Times ~ Bernie Sanders Campaign Is Disciplined for Breaching Hillary Clinton Data
    Guardian ~ Democrats punish Bernie Sanders campaign following Clinton data breach
    Bloomberg ~ Sanders Campaign Fires Data Director After Breach of Clinton Files
    CNN ~ Sanders campaign accesses Clinton data, gets suspended from party voter files
    US Uncut ~ How the DNC Just Sabotaged Bernie Sanders’ Campaign in One Devastating Move



https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3xbmf5/data_breach_megathread/




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December 18, 2015, 03:33:48 PM
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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/18/1461437/-DNC-suspends-Sanders-campaign-s-voter-file-access-after-data-breach


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December 19, 2015, 12:40:40 AM
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Bernie Sanders campaign manager blasts DNC for holding campaign 'hostage'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRB4rii3pRw


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December 19, 2015, 06:01:04 AM
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I don't understand why Clinton is getting so upset about Sanders. Till now, Sanders have failed to breach the Hillary firewall of African-American, Hispanic and LGBT voters, who make up the vast majority of the Democrat primary voters. His support is confined to the Blue-collar Non Hispanic White voters. So why Hillary is trying to elbow Sanders?
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December 19, 2015, 06:59:16 AM
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^ yes. could have handled this without much fuss. This way it brings more attention to his campaign. And probably more followers. The establishment should have just continued with the no coverage of sander's campaign, very few debates, debates when no one will watch them strategy. Otherwise clinton may lose.
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December 19, 2015, 01:30:55 PM
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Clinton goes for the jugular after data breach

The front-runner prepped for a policy discussion, but after the data breach, she’s ready for a different kind of debate.



In a shift of strategy hours before the third Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton’s campaign went for Bernie Sanders’ jugular, accusing his team of stealing valuable campaign data, misrepresenting what happened and inflicting “damage here that cannot be undone.”

The offensive came after the Sanders camp admitted its staffers reviewed, searched and saved data from Clinton’s voter file made accessible briefly Wednesday because of a data breach -- and it represented a complete shift of tone in the Democratic race where the hits have remained impersonal and focused on the issues.


“This was not an inadvertent glimpse into our data,” campaign manager Robby Mook charged on a conference call with reporters Friday night. “The staffers did not make a mistake -- they made 25 intentional searches of our data.” He said the breach struck at the heart of the campaign’s data “that took millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours to build. The voter file...is the fundamental basis of our strategy.”

And Clinton’s team was angry that Sanders tried to fundraise off the incident by acting like he was a victim of the Democratic National Committee. “Stop politicizing and work to ensure that what took place is remedied,” Mook said, even dropping that Sanders campaign may have broken the law.

The offensive play didn’t end there.

Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon followed with more personal attacks, accusing Sanders’ team of undertaking a “deliberate effort to muddy the waters as to what is going on here” and said their top campaign officials were leaving “wiggle room in their answers” as to whether they have retained any data that was accessed during the 40-minute breach.

The attacks from Clinton’s top campaign officials represented a rare moment of punching down against a candidate who is trailing them in national polls by more than 20 points, and foreshadowed an about-face in her debate strategy.

Until Friday, Clinton aimed to push Sanders aside by diminishing him as one-note candidate incapable of handling the demands of a crisis-a-day presidency. Clinton insiders had pointed with alarm to a recent campaign trip to Baltimore, where a Sanders spokeswoman warned reporters “don’t ask about ISIS today.”

“Compared to the other candidates, her bandwidth on the issues is extraordinary,” said Terry Shumaker, a loyal Clinton ally who chaired Bill Clinton’s two presidential campaigns in New Hampshire. “She’s done 18 town halls in New Hampshire and I think I’ve been to all of them. I have not seen a question yet that she hasn’t been able to master.”

The proposals Clinton highlighted in the walk-up to the debate had no binding theme other than showing off her ability to handle multiple issues simultaneously.

On Monday, she announced a plan to cut fees for immigrants seeking citizenship at a national immigration conference in Brooklyn. In Minneapolis Tuesday, the former secretary of state gave a foreign policy address building out her three-part plan to defeat ISIL. Less than 24 hours later, Clinton arrived in Omaha to campaign with billionaire Warren Buffett and talk tax reform, backing the Buffett Rule that would make individuals earning over $1 million pay 30 percent of their income in federal taxes.

“That’s the sort of thing that someone should be able to count on from the president, and that’s the sort of thing she can do,” campaign spokeswoman Christina Reynolds said, referring to Clinton’s ease in toggling between national and international issues. She declined to comment on Sanders.

Sanders’ campaign dismissed Clinton’s policy tour leading up to the Manchester debate as the moves of a candidate lacking an overarching message. “Is this the attempt to be spontaneous this week?” said Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs, scoffing at the implication that Sanders is a one-dimensional candidate.

“He’s answered questions on ISIS over and over and over again, and frankly has a better answer than some other people do,” Briggs said. “He’s been out there talking about the Middle East, regime change, terrorism, and judgment in foreign policy. Is her vote for the Iraq War the foreign policy they want to talk about?” Sanders has repeatedly charged that Clinton’s 2002 vote in favor of the invasion of Iraq led to the rise of ISIL and Al Qaeda in the region.

But when his spokeswoman warned reporters “don’t ask about ISIS today” as Sanders toured the neighborhood where Freddie Gray was killed in police custody, Clinton’s allies pounced.

Campaign surrogate Jennifer Cunningham, a partner at the consulting firm SKDKnickerbocker who sits on Clinton’s New York leadership council, posted a Washington Post article about Sanders’ “one-dimensional campaign” on Twitter, and wrote, “Great guy. Wrong office. Wrong time.”

Until the data breach ramped up tension, Cunningham’s comment was a rare direct shot at Sanders by a Clinton ally. Indeed, her campaign sees no upside in overtly targeting a liberal popular with the party’s base.

But the ghosts of 2008 also have them on high alert about being taken by surprise by Sanders’ near-native son status in New Hampshire, where he is currently leading by double digits in the polls, and his war chest of $26.2 million. In Iowa, Sanders remains within striking distance -- Clinton leads by just 9 points.


“The goal for her is to continue to do what she’s done: be strong on foreign policy, be strong on domestic policy and don’t let them land any punches,” said South Carolina Democratic Party chair Jaime Harrison, whose state will host the next debate in January. “It is up to Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley to land something. She can be above the fray, in a defensive posture, and use some of her time to beat up on the Republicans.”

With the energy of the race on the Republican side, however, Democrats have low expectations about the enthusiasm level for a Donald Trump-less debate showdown on the Saturday night before Christmas -- even with the drama of a major data breach unfolding as the candidates and their staffers traveled to Manchester.

“There’s a Democratic debate on Saturday?” political strategist and longtime Clinton ally James Carville half-joked. “You’ve got people at Trump rallies saying, ‘light someone on fire.’ It’s hard to get attention. There’s so much over there that’s so compelling.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/clintons-offense-will-be-personal-216962


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December 19, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
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^ yes. could have handled this without much fuss. This way it brings more attention to his campaign. And probably more followers. The establishment should have just continued with the no coverage of sander's campaign, very few debates, debates when no one will watch them strategy. Otherwise clinton may lose.

Perhaps Sanders is gaining votes in the states which are having early primaries, and this might have made Hillary (and her Arab supporters) nervous. Anyway... I believe that Sanders will be a much better candidate when compared to Clinton, if Donald Trump becomes the GOP candidate. Sanders will be able to gain more neutral voters.
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December 28, 2015, 03:59:07 PM
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Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs



The Danes apparently have grown weary of Sen. Bernie Sanders insulting their country. Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. It has a "market economy."

Sanders, the Democratic presidential candidate who calls himself a socialist, has used Denmark as the example of the socialist utopia he wants to create in America. During the Democrats' first debate last month, he said "we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people."

While appearing in New Hampshire in September, Sanders said that he had "talked to a guy from Denmark" who told him that in Denmark, "it is very hard to become very, very rich, but it's pretty hard to be very, very poor."

"And that makes a lot of sense to me."

So because something makes sense to him, he has the right to force that system on people who don't want it? Isn't that what he's saying?

But we digress. This is about Danes being offending by Sanders using the word "socialist" to describe their form of government. And who can blame them, especially when the free world has had enough of national socialists and Soviet socialists and North Korean socialists and Cuban socialists?

While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."

"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

To that we'll add that Sweden, another of Sanders' inspirations, has for decades quietly moved away from its cradle-to-grave form of government welfare. And the Swedes are better off for having done so, just as the Danes will continue to be better off as their government overhauls its welfare state.

If Sanders is going to continue to use these nations to guide his governing philosophy, he should base his policy positions on what they really are, not what he thinks they are or wants them to be. These countries have learned a harsh lesson. They don't deserve to be Berned again.


http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/110915-779664-denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist.htm


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December 31, 2015, 12:47:31 AM
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^ Bad article. Technically correct. Those countries are welfare states. Not socialist. But same thing with bernie. His policies are not socialist. Most if not all. They are for a larger welfare state than america has now. Problem is america is so far to the right of the spectrum that most others are left wing and called socialist. Even if they aren't. Something like co-determination in germany would make american heads explode. And that's not socialism either.

So because something makes sense to him, he has the right to force that system on people who don't want it? Isn't that what he's saying?


If you vote for him you want what he offers. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
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