OLD FLY THREAD

[midnight_miner]

Thank you, and yes, my wallet is the 1.6.2 from OP.

Now, like I said: sending coins from the wallet works fine; the stuck coins are those minted from my main wallet and sent automatically to Cryptopia as I changed my savings address to the address of deposits there.

In other words: My savings address is now the deposit address from Cryptopia; my main wallet have sent 3 transactions to  my savings address (Cryptopia's deposit address) and they are not received yet.

I hope that makes it clear now

I think exchanges might not receive transactions correctly that are automatically sent from staking - if you read back a few pages, I'm pretty sure that someone warns against setting your savings address to Yobit.

I know that when I had set my savings address to my Yobit deposit address, my transactions never showed up there. Total bummer, I know  

Yep, that's true, but if we don't do that, then we need to pay 10% fee just to send the coins to the exchange, and that's no good. So, I think it should be ok to put the exchange address as the savings address, otherwise, how can we trade the POS coins?

I totally agree - and that's why I initially set my savings address to my Yobit deposit. But there must be something technically different about a transaction that results from a stake to savings vs. a regular "sendtoaddress" transaction. For some reason the exchanges don't recognize the former - maybe someone more knowledgeable about the wallet code can enlighten us?

At any rate, it sounds like vegas's new plan for waiving high tx fees for verified richlist addresses might satisfy our concerns when it is implemented.

My understanding is (please Vegas or Woody correct me), if it comes from your named POS address, it will be exempted from the 10%.

[Woody20285]

Back from 3 day business trip to Florida - great weather
but, glad to be home and catching up. Seeing lots of positive
energy here. Feels very good.

[vegasguy]

Can anyone confirm if staking to yobit directly works or not? Because we think the problem of staking directly to exchange is only a problem on Crytopia. Can anyone confirm their experience?

Vegas

[pokeytex]

Ok - Here is my attempt at social media - https://twitter.com/pokeytex/status/666069709863780353

-pokeytex

[catotune]

Can anyone confirm if staking to yobit directly works or not? Because we think the problem of staking directly to exchange is only a problem on Crytopia. Can anyone confirm their experience?

Vegas

In my experience, staking with Yobit as my savings address does not work. Nothing showed up in my Yobit wallet, and I staked to there 2-3 times.

[HiggsBosunBlues]

Confirming that staking to Yobit did not work for me either. The coins were lost.

[Woody20285]

Ok - Here is my attempt at social media - https://twitter.com/pokeytex/status/666069709863780353

-pokeytex

I like it - nice job

[Woody20285]

Confirming that staking to Yobit did not work for me either. The coins were lost.

I tried direct staking to yobit - lost stakes

[Woody20285]

Ok, I'm not a social media person:

https://twitter.com/giminer1/status/666062503491805184

I did in Spanish, I guess you have the English tweets pretty covered 

Nice post, GIMiner - Eso funciona

[vegasguy]

Thank you for your feedback. We will come up with a solution. For now like I said just stake into your savings and then send from savings , as 10% is NOT in effect, fee will be small maybe .002 FLY to send. This will be fixed in our next version in 2 weeks.

Vegas

[vegasguy]

Ok, I'm not a social media person:

https://twitter.com/giminer1/status/666062503491805184

I did in Spanish, I guess you have the English tweets pretty covered 

Nice post, GIMiner - Eso funciona

YES!!! I LOVE it, PLEASE stay posting to spanish community!!

Vegas

[CapnBDL]

Howdie,

How do we claim an address in the new block explorer? I've been all thru it and am unable to find a way to do so.

Thanks

[vegasguy]

Howdie,

How do we claim an address in the new block explorer? I've been all thru it and am unable to find a way to do so.

Thanks

Is this for another person? Richlist is still being added to our explorer so its being done manually for now. Contact Keesdewit and request manual addition to Richlist.


Vegas

[catotune]

Ok - Here is my attempt at social media - https://twitter.com/pokeytex/status/666069709863780353

-pokeytex

I like it - nice job

Yes, thanks for the retweet! I feel like a social media maven 

[6436346346]

So there certainly is a problem with staking directly to exchanges. Im not exactly sure why yet. We THINK its a problem only with Crytopia, as nobody has said it does not work with Yobit. A fix will be implemented in the next wallet release. For now since the fees are low, continue to stake to savings, then send from your savings address using coin control. You will NOT be charged 10% as those fees are not active until the next wallet update which will include a fix for this.

Vegas

Hey Dude,

Ok, there are a couple of issues with the "savings" transactions that hopefully we can find a resolution for that suits both sides

Fist the transactions show up in our wallet as 

Code:

    {
        "account" : "redacted",
        "address" : "redacted",
        "category" : "generate",
        "amount" : 0.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 125,
        "generated" : true,
        "blockhash" : "c169bc63b93872953fbd232e98f4c89370f0ab63ef2dec633597b7d298bda55f",
        "blockindex" : 1,
        "blocktime" : 1447609426,
        "txid" : "28121b965c6618b033375235bf5e25624c96fe9c5dd36b7053891f03a4595d00",
        "time" : 1447609426,
        "timereceived" : 1447609395
    },

So the fist issue is that they are  "category" : "generate" not "category" : "receive" like normal deposits.
However our system specifically filters out "generate" to avoid people mining directly to our wallets and stops POS coins messing peoples balances if you have one of those "awesome" coins where you cant disable POS

I'm not sure if you guys can mark these as send, or even name it something unique like "savings", as us allowing the "generate" ones in now could have widespread effects access other coins. but we don't mind adding support for "savings" or something similar (hope that makes sense)

The second issue seems to be that the all have an amount of "0.00000000" so if we need to get the amount based on the inputs or outputs of these transactions we will need to know.


And an idea about the low withdrawal, perhaps if possible a "Refund" system could be setup, so we take the 10% loss on withdraw and weekly or monthly we can provide a list of the withdrawals to the team and we could be refunded from the SuperFly wallet, it may not be the most glamorous method, but it avoids adding any code that centralizes the coin itself, also means no code bases need to change and it can be just a relationship between Cryptopia and Fly teams


Anyway we are here to help with anything you guys need, you can reach me in the trollbox most days (sa_ddam213)


peace

[vegasguy]

So there certainly is a problem with staking directly to exchanges. Im not exactly sure why yet. We THINK its a problem only with Crytopia, as nobody has said it does not work with Yobit. A fix will be implemented in the next wallet release. For now since the fees are low, continue to stake to savings, then send from your savings address using coin control. You will NOT be charged 10% as those fees are not active until the next wallet update which will include a fix for this.

Vegas

Hey Dude,

Ok, there are a couple of issues with the "savings" transactions that hopefully we can find a resolution for that suits both sides

Fist the transactions show up in our wallet as  

Code:

    {
        "account" : "redacted",
        "address" : "redacted",
        "category" : "generate",
        "amount" : 0.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 125,
        "generated" : true,
        "blockhash" : "c169bc63b93872953fbd232e98f4c89370f0ab63ef2dec633597b7d298bda55f",
        "blockindex" : 1,
        "blocktime" : 1447609426,
        "txid" : "28121b965c6618b033375235bf5e25624c96fe9c5dd36b7053891f03a4595d00",
        "time" : 1447609426,
        "timereceived" : 1447609395
    },

So the fist issue is that they are  "category" : "generate" not "category" : "receive" like normal deposits.
However our system specifically filters out "generate" to avoid people mining directly to our wallets and stops POS coins messing peoples balances if you have one of those "awesome" coins where you cant disable POS

I'm not sure if you guys can mark these as send, or even name it something unique like "savings", as us allowing the "generate" ones in now could have widespread effects access other coins. but we don't mind adding support for "savings" or something similar (hope that makes sense)

The second issue seems to be that the all have an amount of "0.00000000" so if we need to get the amount based on the inputs or outputs of these transactions we will need to know.


And an idea about the low withdrawal, perhaps if possible a "Refund" system could be setup, so we take the 10% loss on withdraw and weekly or monthly we can provide a list of the withdrawals to the team and we could be refunded from the SuperFly wallet, it may not be the most glamorous method, but it avoids adding any code that centralizes the coin itself, also means no code bases need to change and it can be just a relationship between Cryptopia and Fly teams


Anyway we are here to help with anything you guys need, you can reach me in the trollbox most days (sa_ddam213)


peace

Thank you sa_ddam213 , its very rare that an exchange operator actually visits a thread an actually takes the time to post some ideas. I am completely impressed, and this confirms I have made the correct choice by switching to your exchange. THANK YOU. You guys at Crytopia are TOP NOTCH Professionals!!! I dont think its right that you pay the 10% fees upfront and then have to wait to get refunded. Thats not fair to you. We will have to find a way to get you refunded automatically instantly or restructure using decimals and flat fees.

Vegas

[vegasguy]

Hmmm.. If these stakes did not generate, then they were not lost. Please anyone correct me if Im wrong , but this sounds like "generated but not accepted", which means no weight was lost and therefore no coins were lost, and the stakes will try again soon, to either your main wallet or your savings wallet (a real savings wallet). Please experts/pros chime in your thoughts.

Vegas

[cdajdk]

Hmmm.. If these stakes did not generate, then they were not lost. Please anyone correct me if Im wrong , but this sounds like "generated but not accepted", which means no weight was lost and therefore no coins were lost, and the stakes will try again soon, to either your main wallet or your savings wallet (a real savings wallet). Please experts/pros chime in your thoughts.

Vegas

When I enabled savings to YOBIT,  weight was lost and coins were lost.    It worked properly in the 1.6.0 wallet, stake transaction was generated then after 70 confirms,  savings transaction was generated and made it to YOBIT successfully.

In the 1.6.2 wallet,  stake and savings transactions were generated at the same time (did not wait 70 confirms).   Attempting to track the savings transaction was very confusing.    It appears to go to yobit wallet but then get paid out to other users presumably as part of a YOBIT transaction.   Tough to figure out. 

The transaction information in the 1.6.2 wallet doesn't make sense either.   I shows the stake and then a 100% fee charged.    I posted this info in the slack but got no feedback.   I assumed I just jumped the gun it and let it go.

According to wallet:

"amount" : -8.23381314,
"fee" : 8.23381315,
"confirmations" : 93,
"generated" : true,
"blockhash" : "48d71aff4d76b74e0d08e7e9b83f7ac459d5af90685c2fad03f2c646e0865f31",
"blockindex" : 1,
"blocktime" : 1447303358,
"txid" : "064ce96dcfb5b3d67b2f9e4bb6d1217f9da0b2a9a1a2b86843b8a97d727a8d48",
"time" : 1447303358,
"timereceived" : 1447303328,
"details" : [
{
"account" : "principal",
"address" : "FRNqyBF2wVXshGg2UtA8jcggWCVHAoN1qe",
"category" : "generate",
"amount" : 8.23381315
}

[vegasguy]

Hmmm.. If these stakes did not generate, then they were not lost. Please anyone correct me if Im wrong , but this sounds like "generated but not accepted", which means no weight was lost and therefore no coins were lost, and the stakes will try again soon, to either your main wallet or your savings wallet (a real savings wallet). Please experts/pros chime in your thoughts.

Vegas

When I enabled savings to YOBIT,  weight was lost and coins were lost.    It worked properly in the 1.6.0 wallet, stake transaction was generated then after 70 confirms,  savings transaction was generated and made it to YOBIT successfully.

In the 1.6.2 wallet,  stake and savings transactions were generated at the same time (did not wait 70 confirms).   Attempting to track the savings transaction was very confusing.    It appears to go to yobit wallet but then get paid out to other users presumably as part of a YOBIT transaction.   Tough to figure out.  

The transaction information in the 1.6.2 wallet doesn't make sense either.   I shows the stake and then a 100% fee charged.    I posted this info in the slack but got no feedback.   I assumed I just jumped the gun it and let it go.

According to wallet:

"amount" : -8.23381314,
"fee" : 8.23381315,
"confirmations" : 93,
"generated" : true,
"blockhash" : "48d71aff4d76b74e0d08e7e9b83f7ac459d5af90685c2fad03f2c646e0865f31",
"blockindex" : 1,
"blocktime" : 1447303358,
"txid" : "064ce96dcfb5b3d67b2f9e4bb6d1217f9da0b2a9a1a2b86843b8a97d727a8d48",
"time" : 1447303358,
"timereceived" : 1447303328,
"details" : [
{
"account" : "principal",
"address" : "FRNqyBF2wVXshGg2UtA8jcggWCVHAoN1qe",
"category" : "generate",
"amount" : 8.23381315
}

You are correct. We are discussing why this worked before and comparing codes from older version. We believe it was V1.5 that worked, and we are confident that it has a lot to do with the "70 confirms". Also everyone WILL be made whole. My investors do NOT lose money due to buggy code under my watch. So first let us sort this out, and then we will figure out if the funds can be retrieved, and if they cannot I will step in and make everyone whole. This might involve using the emergency funds in the superfly wallet that I personally funded with all of my own money except 250 from Woody. None of the funds in superfly were generated by Tx fees.

Vegas  

[crazyivan]

Here is my contribution to our social media campaign for this week.

https://twitter.com/civandciva/status/666318438781034496