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September 29, 2022, 05:08:11 PM
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Yes, it was a natural reaction from the fans especially as they were very frustrated with the team's performance during the start of the season. But the good news is, Allegri still gets a chance to change this situation in the next few games because I don't think he will be sacked so soon.

Injuries are the most plausible reason for Juventus' declining performance at the start of this season, so I don't think Allegri should be the absolute scapegoat for Juventus' failure to achieve maximum results in several matches. So in my opinion, it's news time now and see what he will do until December.
Lol, with Allegri still being given the chance to coach Juventus that's not good news but bad news, the defeat by Monza was the highlight where Allegri was indeed the time to be sacked or replaced. Nothing else can be expected with Allegri because at worst their team's performance should be able to overcome the problem against Monza, but in reality Allegri can't solve the problem so keeping Allegri is tantamount to destroying Juventus.
Allegri must take advantage of the opportunity given to him, he must be able to repay the trust by improving the quality of Juventus' game. The loss to Monza was an embarrassment for Juventus, they were humiliated by a team that should have been able to beat easily. Maybe this is the last chance for Allegri, if he fails to live up to the expectations of the Juventus officials, he will have to say goodbye to Juventus.

Allegri can't find his team's weaknesses. Juventus management has not fired him yet. He has been given a chance. Coach Allegri must take advantage of this opportunity. And Juventus have to find their weaknesses. Juventus' aim is not to win the title this season. And so if Allegri is able to stabilize the team and qualify for the Champions League, Juventus' management will probably be happy. Allegri should first fix his defensive weaknesses. If the defense is not strong, the situation of the team will not change.

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September 29, 2022, 05:18:52 PM
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Lol, with Allegri still being given the chance to coach Juventus that's not good news but bad news, the defeat by Monza was the highlight where Allegri was indeed the time to be sacked or replaced. Nothing else can be expected with Allegri because at worst their team's performance should be able to overcome the problem against Monza, but in reality Allegri can't solve the problem so keeping Allegri is tantamount to destroying Juventus.
10 vs 11 should not be comparable because Monza can easily dominate the match with a 1 player advantage. I don't think Allegri is to blame for Juventus' poor form so far, even if the loss to Monza is in the spotlight then I think he should get some support.

However the injuries suffered by many Juventus players have taken the team's performance down, so you can't just blame Allegri for the defeat while Juventus don't have many good players to replace injured players. Now it's good that Allegri is still trusted, but we'll see in the next few match if he can repay that trust. Matches against Bologna, Maccabi Haifa, and Milan will be the next proof for Allegri.

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September 29, 2022, 05:28:21 PM
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The defeat of AC Monza made Allegri position very threatened where supporters have echoed on social media to ask Juventus management to sack him. in the upcoming match Juventus will face Bologna where this match Allegri is very pressing Vlahovic et al to be able to win this match to improve their ranking in the standings table. Indeed, a storm of injuries is the main reason for the Juventus squad to be inconsistent in several matches so that it is Allegri who has to bear the risk of the unsatisfactory achievements of his team. if juventus lose again I think they will be even out of the title race this season.
Yes, it was a natural reaction from the fans especially as they were very frustrated with the team's performance during the start of the season. But the good news is, Allegri still gets a chance to change this situation in the next few games because I don't think he will be sacked so soon.

Injuries are the most plausible reason for Juventus' declining performance at the start of this season, so I don't think Allegri should be the absolute scapegoat for Juventus' failure to achieve maximum results in several matches. So in my opinion, it's news time now and see what he will do until December.
Things like this (supporters ask for the coach to be fired) we will always see from all clubs that have experienced a decline in performance. It's a common thing in the world of football, and once again the coach is the first to bear it. But what response Allegri will do to get pressure from Juventus supporters will determine his fate. If he could change the situation it would put everything at ease. However, if the same result is obtained, it will make the supporters even more angry.




I don't think Pogba can return to his best form. His performance with Manchester United was very poor. He has consistently continued his poor performance. We don't see any improvement in Pogba's performance despite the Manchester coach giving him plenty of opportunities. Now he has suffered injuries before performing with Juventus. Pogba will have to work hard to get back into form. But I think he is not diligent. If he was diligent, he would not have been out of form for so long.
Pada awal kedatangannya ke Juventus, Paul Pogba sempat menjadi harapan, namun dengan kondisi yang sekarang saya juga berpikir bahwa harapan itu hanya harapan semata dan akan sulit untuk diwujudkan. Apalagi saat kembali dari cedera pasti itu akan memakan waktu untuk kembali ke performa terbaiknya.
Saya sepakat bahwa sekarang jangan berharap terlalu banyak dari Paul Pogba, karena mungkin itu akan menjadi sesuatu yang mengecewakan.

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September 29, 2022, 05:28:30 PM
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If Pogba cannot contribute optimally when on the field then this will be a nightmare for Juventus because they have already paid a lot and have already relied on Pogba to get the win

I wonder, what did Juventus pay dearly for?
Because what I know is that Juventus signed Paul Pogba from Manchester United on a free transfer
Even based on this season's transfer record, Juventus are a little more profit with the departure of 21 players and the arrival of 22 players this season.
So overall Juventus have not suffered a loss this season despite having brought in some classy players such as Bremer, Federico Chiesa and Filip Kostic.

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Juventus have been in a pretty bad form in the league recently. They won only one time in their last five league matches and they can't win for three match weeks.

Allegri has been criticised a lot after their very bad start to the season. I think that this can finally be the match to start over for them. They must do their best to defeat Bologna in Turin. Their last match here ended by a 1-1 draw last season and I think this match will also be very competitive. It would be like that especially due to Juventus' bad condition. Their main issue is related to their offense now. Actually they have a really great striker like Vlahovic but they need to get stronger in the midfield too. I'm going to bet on Juventus @1.49 and take the risk despite their form.

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September 29, 2022, 06:06:54 PM
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Lol, with Allegri still being given the chance to coach Juventus that's not good news but bad news, the defeat by Monza was the highlight where Allegri was indeed the time to be sacked or replaced. Nothing else can be expected with Allegri because at worst their team's performance should be able to overcome the problem against Monza, but in reality Allegri can't solve the problem so keeping Allegri is tantamount to destroying Juventus.
10 vs 11 should not be comparable because Monza can easily dominate the match with a 1 player advantage. I don't think Allegri is to blame for Juventus' poor form so far, even if the loss to Monza is in the spotlight then I think he should get some support.

However the injuries suffered by many Juventus players have taken the team's performance down, so you can't just blame Allegri for the defeat while Juventus don't have many good players to replace injured players. Now it's good that Allegri is still trusted, but we'll see in the next few match if he can repay that trust. Matches against Bologna, Maccabi Haifa, and Milan will be the next proof for Allegri.

The fault is not entirely there is no allegri.

But there are 3 main causes that make Juventus worse off.

1. Leadership Crisis
Leonardo Bonucci, who is expected to be the leader of the team so far, has not been optimal. The 2-0 loss to Monza made the ultras sick and thought Bonucci could not take the lead. Whereas previously Juventus had a leader with a strong mentality and was able to coordinate the team well, such as Alessandro Del Pierro, Giorgio Chiellini and Gianluigi Buffon.

2. Federico Chiesa as the backbone of Juventus.
When Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time, Juve's game was not optimal and Juventus could not cover up the absence of Federico, because Federico became an important player in Juventus' strategy and collaborated with Dusan Vlahovic.

3. Allegri Strategy
Although Allegri is not entirely at fault, Allegri is also a factor in Juventus' downfall. The strategy used by Allegri began to be questioned. The most striking is Juventus don't have a midfielder with a good game. Previously Miralem Pjanic was a good midfielder but now a role like Pjanic is gone and Paul Pgba who is Juventus' hope must suffer a long injury. Allegri really has to improve his strategy and bring in suitable players for Juventus.

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I don't know, this will be a blunder by Juventus or not. But I remember how when Sheva from Chelsea returned to AC Milan, Kaka from Madrid to AC Milan, both of them could not perform as before moving. If this also happens to Pogba, it means it might not be good to bring back players who have left  
So far Juventus are not in good condition, they have lost a lot of points in the matches they have played. Lastly they lost to Monza, where if you calculate the strength of the players owned by Juventus it is clear they are more superior, but unfortunately Juventus lost their vision in playing, so they again lost three points in the match.

However, Pogba promised to perform well with Juventus.
Many people think that Juventus' condition is getting worse because Pogba and their new signings have not played well and have not contributed anything to the club, even though Pogba himself is still injured and has not found his best level of play since moving from Manchester United

Massimiliano Allegri is increasing difficult to develop Juventus' game, because at the moment they are experiencing a storm of injuries to several players, so the option to rotate players does not match the main strengths they have.
Juventus did not get so good results in the previous few matches, so the points achieved have not been able to raise the ranking in the standings.
The latest news, Massimiliano Allegri is threatened with being fired, if Juventus' performance does not improve in the next match.

The 2-0 loss to Monza made the ultras sick and thought Bonucci could not take the lead
and it looks like you are wrong to mention the defeat received by Juventus, because the real result Monza won 1-0 against Juventus.

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1. Leadership Crisis
2. Federico Chiesa as the backbone of Juventus.
3. Allegri Strategy
The three points you mentioned seem to be the deciding factor for Juventus playing badly, but actually I'm more focused on the storm of injuries and the coach's strategy that hasn't fully worked out in line with the team's needs.
Because if you pay attention, this season Juventus is not much different from the previous season.

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September 29, 2022, 06:21:09 PM
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Inter will soon face two important matches in the next few days, first Inter will face Roma in Serie A, then 4 days later will face Barcelona in
the Champions League. Which as you said both matches Inter must win and must not lose points. Because in Serie A Inter must make sure
to get 3 points, so that Inter can at least return to the top 4. Then in the Champions League to qualify for the next round, Inter had to beat
Barcelona, because it looks like Inter and Barcelona have to fight for one more ticket to qualify for the next round, while one ticket already
belongs to Bayern who managed to beat Barcelona and Inter. Simone Inzaghi continues to receive a lot of criticism with Inter's underwhelming
performances this season, if Inter fail to win against Roma, it looks like Inzaghi's position as coach at Inter could be threatened.
Inter Milan is really inconsistent in the domestic league or in the UCL. Indeed, Inter Milan in the UCL still has hope but the chances are quite small considering that Group C is filled with big teams like Bayern and Barcelona, ​​so there is a possibility that if Inter Milan loses again they will be eliminated from the prestigious. In the domestic league, Inter Milan performance was also very unstable because several matches that should have been easy to secure full points were wasted with their lack of opportunities while on the field. So that Inter Milan can improve their performance in the standings when they meet Sassoulo in the upcoming match which is a good opportunity for Simone Inzaghi troops.

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September 29, 2022, 06:24:49 PM
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Inter have stumbled so far in the opening two months of the new season. And I don’t really know what the actual problem is. They didn’t lose any defender in the transfer window. The only player they lost was Perisic and even though they have been doing well to create goal scoring chances. But haven’t been very clinical defensively. I don’t want to think that the problem is beyond this, if it concerns the internal relations between players and the coach then it’ll be a big decision for the Board to make. I believe they’ll find a way to adjust.
Most teams that have similar club issues have been stressed down to come from within the players and the coaches. When there is a breach in connection between the coach and players it becomes difficult to get results and maintain top form and that's why coaches get sacked. Whatever needs to be done to get the team back on track should be done and done quickly.
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I recall about Vicenzo Montella who was a Roma player and he is very goal productive when facing Inter. He scored a lot of goals against Inter Milan and some of them are wonderful goal. In Roma now, we can expect Dybala can score beautiful goals for them.
They just lost the same game in the league last week. Currently they will be competing in between busy schedules in the UCL and Europa League. Inter number seven roma number six in the provisional class. The difference in points is one.
Of course, it is interesting that they will kick each other to immediately have a positive impact on their mentality. Of course, Dybala's arrival is expected to bring roma better. DIa will be a threat to Inter. Actually, they are unstable, it is difficult to guess who the winner is.
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September 29, 2022, 06:31:04 PM
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I don't think that Inter's problem is with their manager. Simone Inzaghi has already proven himself to be a good choice for them. They fought for the championship until the end of the season but missed it by a small gap. Now things are going bad for them due to some in-team problems. I don't think that it has anything to do with the squad quality because there is even an increase in it after adding Lukaku as well. He hasn't been able to play yet of course and I wonder if he will manage to become a game changer. They really need a push immediately.

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September 29, 2022, 06:32:06 PM
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2. Federico Chiesa as the backbone of Juventus.
When Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time, Juve's game was not optimal and Juventus could not cover up the absence of Federico, because Federico became an important player in Juventus' strategy and collaborated with Dusan Vlahovic.

It's a shame about this player.
He is one of the players who can lift the real Juventus performance but until now he still has to be absent because it is still in a very long healing process considering his injury is so severe.
ACL injuries are one of the enemies of athletes and hopefully when he comes back he doesn't lose his touch.

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September 29, 2022, 06:37:08 PM
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since the arrival of paul pogba back to Juventus, I'm sure he will disappoint a lot of fans, and that's a little proven because he's only played a few times he immediately injured his meniscus, For Juve fans, don't expect much from Pogba.
I really wonder what happened with pogba, he was a great player before his second season with Manchester United, I'm not sure he will return to his best form when he was with juventus a few years ago.
Paul Pogba is an important player for the french side and it is good news to hear he is on the way to recovery. Juventus are already suffering his absence in the team as the midfield is lacking that balance, Pogba's return will really benefit the both teams but the french team seems to have found a suitable replacement for Pogba in Aurélien Tchouameni who has been impressive in the midfield for France. Pogba's return will now add strength to that position.
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September 29, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
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If Pogba cannot contribute optimally when on the field then this will be a nightmare for Juventus because they have already paid a lot and have already relied on Pogba to get the win, at least the Juventus management and coach should consider this to get new players who can replace Pogba with almost the same skill as pogba so when pogba gets injured again they already have a substitute ready.
Juventus will have to wait for the next transfer window to get another player, but now doesn't seem like the right time to talk about it. We will see a lot of new talent in the upcoming World Cup, so the Juventus scouting team will have to work on getting some good players during that event.

But Juventus seem to be making the most of Pogba who is starting to show good improvement regarding his recovery process. He seems to be back with Juventus in the near future, so Juventus should be able to use him to improve the team's performance.

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September 29, 2022, 06:41:35 PM
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If Pogba cannot contribute optimally when on the field then this will be a nightmare for Juventus because they have already paid a lot and have already relied on Pogba to get the win
Juventus signed Pogba for free from Manchester United, so in this case Juventus are not experiencing financial losses, I think Pogba arrival can actually strengthen the Juventus midfield but unfortunately the injury that Pogba got made him absent, but I think if Pogba later recovering maybe we will see Pogba again good appearing and being an important pillar for Juventus like the 2012/16 season, now Pogba is recovering from an injury so it is too early to judge if Juventus take the wrong step to bring Pogba back to Turin.

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September 29, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
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The arrival of Pogba makes people very excited to see his performance again although while playing at Manchester United he has failed to adapt and spend his time with poor performance but some fans hopes he can playing well again in this team but indeed it will took time to him reach to top performance again moreover he got long injured before and usually after return from injured some of players cannot showed their best performance again but it's too early to judge him because Pogba even still not made his debut yet
since the arrival of paul pogba back to Juventus, I'm sure he will disappoint a lot of fans, and that's a little proven because he's only played a few times he immediately injured his meniscus, For Juve fans, don't expect much from Pogba.
I really wonder what happened with pogba, he was a great player before his second season with Manchester United, I'm not sure he will return to his best form when he was with juventus a few years ago.
It looks like Pogba would still need some time to recover, which means that I am expecting him to not really have any type of disappointment or not so far, it will take a while but I am assuming it will be easier to handle in the long run for sure.

I know that it will not be that simple, but we could definitely see him get back on the field when he feels better and suddenly change something for the team. If he does that then he would actually be someone that they would be happy to get, and that is exactly what they are looking for. I know it is a tough possibility but it is not impossible neither so we have to wait and see how he will do.

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September 29, 2022, 06:56:41 PM
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Juventus is considerably in the corner where the blows fall. And if you're in that, then everything is really against it. Juventus will have to weather this storm for a while and hope that things will get better soon. Pogba is a player who can make the whole team play better and can be of great value, but now it is of little use to them due to his injury. There are few other players at Juventus who can take the team by the hand. They don't have a real top striker either, and it would have made a difference if they could have attracted Depay. I don't understand why they didn't get a real striker. The vanguard is not bad but you need someone like Mbappe or Ronaldo. There were still plenty of attackers for sale.

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September 29, 2022, 07:40:21 PM
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The arrival of Pogba makes people very excited to see his performance again although while playing at Manchester United he has failed to adapt and spend his time with poor performance but some fans hopes he can playing well again in this team but indeed it will took time to him reach to top performance again moreover he got long injured before and usually after return from injured some of players cannot showed their best performance again but it's too early to judge him because Pogba even still not made his debut yet
since the arrival of paul pogba back to Juventus, I'm sure he will disappoint a lot of fans, and that's a little proven because he's only played a few times he immediately injured his meniscus, For Juve fans, don't expect much from Pogba.
I really wonder what happened with pogba, he was a great player before his second season with Manchester United, I'm not sure he will return to his best form when he was with juventus a few years ago.
It looks like Pogba would still need some time to recover, which means that I am expecting him to not really have any type of disappointment or not so far, it will take a while but I am assuming it will be easier to handle in the long run for sure.

I know that it will not be that simple, but we could definitely see him get back on the field when he feels better and suddenly change something for the team. If he does that then he would actually be someone that they would be happy to get, and that is exactly what they are looking for. I know it is a tough possibility but it is not impossible neither so we have to wait and see how he will do.

I think if Juventus could actually play with the team that they wanted to play at the start of the season I think they could have done much better. And Pogba was one of the main players that Juventus wanted to play in the midfield area. But suddenly the injury problem cost Juventus a lot. And right now it is really not sure if he will be able to make a comeback with the same impact that he could have had without the injury. Right now Juventus is not playing well at all. But with the return of Pogba, I think the performance is going to improve.

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If Pogba cannot contribute optimally when on the field then this will be a nightmare for Juventus because they have already paid a lot and have already relied on Pogba to get the win, at least the Juventus management and coach should consider this to get new players who can replace Pogba with almost the same skill as pogba so when pogba gets injured again they already have a substitute ready.
The news about Pogba's replacement when he was injured actually appeared before the transfer window closed but Juventus seemed reluctant to do that because they still hoped for Pogba to recover from his injury even though they had to wait for 5 months for Pogba to recover (since Pogba was injured).

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I don't think Pogba can return to his best form. His performance with Manchester United was very poor. He has consistently continued his poor performance. We don't see any improvement in Pogba's performance despite the Manchester coach giving him plenty of opportunities. Now he has suffered injuries before performing with Juventus. Pogba will have to work hard to get back into form. But I think he is not diligent. If he was diligent, he would not have been out of form for so long.
it is clear that when pogba was at Manchester United he was not happy even last year he was rumored to be going to PSG but that didn't happen. in terms of age i don't see that is the reason for the decline in pogba's performance, it seems that what you say is true that he has turned into a lazy, it seems juve will be disappointed with him.



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September 29, 2022, 08:28:14 PM
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It will be an interesting weekend, this one for Inter and Juventus.

Both their coach are risking being sacked but the game of Inter is way harder versus Roma.

Lukaku Brozovic and Dybala will probably skip the game.

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