Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

[fuguebtc]

The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

But it looks like after juventus received the two penalties that were handed out to them last season and also this week I think they are free from punishment next season. Even the ban on Juventus participating in the Europa Conference competition is not a surprise because they had previously sent a letter not to take part in the competition before the official decision was issued by UEFA.

Indeed, from that point of view, Juventus must take a lesson not to repeat fraudulent acts in the coming seasons. Apart from that if we see that Juventus will not participate in any competition in the next season and for them to focus all their energy only on Serie A.

I actually have a point of view on this matter. Truly, I do not believe that Juventus is the sole club engaging in illicit activities. Naturally, I lack the evidence to substantiate the presence of other clubs participating in illegal practices. Although, I am nearly guaranteed that if a thorough examination were conducted on all the teams within the Italian league, a significant number of them would be discovered to be guilty in some capacity. In this world, no one can claim absolute purity. But it seems like if you don’t get caught, you are not held accountable.

I am not saying that all the clubs are corrupt. I was just sharing my point of view.

In reality, Juventus engaged in various questionable activities, ultimately leading to their exposure. Consequently, they must exercise caution to avoid repeating such actions in the future. Despite enduring substantial financial penalties, I think the biggest punishment for them was to take away points and not let them participate in any UEFA competitions.

[Leviathan.007]

I do not know what Juventus did that was so big, but between the league issue, and the conference league issue and then the punishment for that much money, all combined makes the team so bad. I am sure Nedved must be having flashbacks and a little PTSD because he would remember what happened last time everyone attacked them.

I do not know if what they did would worth this, after all this would mean at least a few seasons of bad results, first already happened because of punishments, but they must follow the rules without a doubt. Is there like some person there who is still in charge that makes the team do this? Like the last time and going down relegation, and now this time again, why it's always them? Why not others?

I don't think they will get a penalty like relegation, they already got a penalty related to a decision taken last year. According to the statement they made today, Juve will not abjudicating. They wanted to spend this year in peace and stay away from court and litigation processes.
I find them very right, they have been struggling with endless problems for years

No, this would be too much if we see relegation however in the first days after we heard the news about Juventus and possible punishments I was even expecting to see relegation for this team but after the 10 points they lost and the money they are going to pay and losing the ticket to Europa Conference League, I think we won't see relegation.

[Falconer]

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The sanctions received by Juventus today were purely the result of their management's negligence, not Juve players. If you don't change the direction of Juve transfer policy, you will always be in this situation. Degradation, deducting points, fines are a series of sanctions that are continuously shown to their fans, really very disappointing.

Even though the Europa Conference is not an elite competition like the Champions League, if they can win it it certainly means a lot, because apart from making the fans happy the club will also receive a good income. The only target that makes sense now is to win the Scudetto next season from Napoli hands, if it doesn't work it will put them in an even worse position.

It's something difficult to explain, but Juventus must accept the consequences, especially because of management mistakes. Players only get the task of playing well without interfering with management matters, but several fatal management mistakes have harmed players, especially when they deserve to play in the highest competition such as the Champions League.

After all, Juventus have a chance to win the Serie A title next season if they are able to perform optimally with their best form, but Serie A has been better because these teams have become stronger with generations of great players. Napoli, Milan, Inter, Atalanta, Roma and others continue to increase their concentration for the title, so Juventus are sure to face a tough challenge even if they focus on Serie A next season.

[Rengga Jati]

That's right, I never thought something like this would happen, indirectly for two different seasons both Milan and Fiorentina both took advantage of the bad luck experienced by Juventus. Maybe for Juventus this is like a heavy blow that they have to accept and of course they are very frustrated at this time because they have lost a place in European competition.

UEFA's punishment for Juventus was truly sadistic, not only cutting points last season but also banning them in the UEFA European League this season. This sanction will really create a deterrent effect for Juventus and also provide a warning that will definitely be obeyed by a football club. Instead of having to bear this super heavy penalty. Actually, sorry for the coach and also the players because this must have had a big impact on them. Mismanagement that is so fatal is really detrimental to all positions.

But until now, the management of Juventus also did not admit that they made this mistake. But on the other hand, they also did not appeal against this one sanction, because they also wanted to focus more on matches in the Serie A League in order to be involved in the UCL next season. And on the other hand,

Fiorentina who were appointed as a substitute for Juventus in the UEFA European League were like a sudden fall in fortune. They are very lucky… but can they really compete in this competition? This will be a challenge for Fiorentina itself, and a heavy burden because of course there are many rumors regarding their entry into the UEFA European League due to sheer luck.

[Bobrox]

Reporting from Goal.com, Juventus were thrown out from UEFA Conference League due to violating Financial Fair Play for exaggerating the value of player transfers, in addition to being banned from appearing in the UEFA Conference League next season, Juventus were fined € 20 million. Fiorentina who finished on 8th standings position will replace Juventus for participating in UEFA Conference League next season and bad impact for Juventus without take participants in any European competition for next season.

I don't think with how rule Financial Fair Play (FFP) rule adopted by UEFA, there are many top European teams get problem with FFP like Manchester City or PSG but never get suspend from UEFA. Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

[tiCeR]

Reporting from Goal.com, Juventus were thrown out from UEFA Conference League due to violating Financial Fair Play for exaggerating the value of player transfers, in addition to being banned from appearing in the UEFA Conference League next season, Juventus were fined € 20 million. Fiorentina who finished on 8th standings position will replace Juventus for participating in UEFA Conference League next season and bad impact for Juventus without take participants in any European competition for next season.

I don't think with how rule Financial Fair Play (FFP) rule adopted by UEFA, there are many top European teams get problem with FFP like Manchester City or PSG but never get suspend from UEFA. Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

I believe that you raised a vital question here. With the competition that is now coming from the Saudi Professional League and also the investment fund involved, one risk of being too strict with clubs from European leagues could be that they in return threaten to support the foundation of a new Super League, for instance if it is originating from the Saudi Professional League or the investors backing everything that is flowing into the sport these days.


The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

[Dewi Aries]

The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

Instead of getting additional funds from the competition Juventus actually had to spend money really bad season for Juventus
It was a fair decision from UEFA anyone who does the same thing must get the same punishment otherwise , other clubs will protest
By the way UEFA decision isn't final right? Juventus can still appeal and ask for a reduction at least 1/2 of the fine.

[Docnaster]

The fine of € 20 million is tougher for Juventus Turin than the exclusion from the Conference League. I read that Barcelona is allowed to participate in the Champions League next season and I immediately thought that this is a different story if they had to exclude a huge club like Barcelona from the Champions League. Clubs also have some power over the UEFA.

Instead of getting additional funds from the competition Juventus actually had to spend money really bad season for Juventus
It was a fair decision from UEFA anyone who does the same thing must get the same punishment otherwise , other clubs will protest
By the way UEFA decision isn't final right? Juventus can still appeal and ask for a reduction at least 1/2 of the fine.

The UEFA is the football governing body of the entire European football and yet do issue sanctions to clubs who go against the organization's rules. Juventus isn't the first to be sanctioned and they won't be the last to receive sanction as far other European clubs will still go against UEFA rules in one way or the other.
Juventus should learn from their mistakes and be cautious of how they operate going forward. The sanction I think can still be appealed but whatever happens at the will surely tell Juventus that they really need to be careful in their future dealings

[Velvet78]

Are you thinking about teams have ideas for opening with Europe Super League always become target for suspending?

I believe that you raised a vital question here. With the competition that is now coming from the Saudi Professional League and also the investment fund involved, one risk of being too strict with clubs from European leagues could be that they in return threaten to support the foundation of a new Super League, for instance if it is originating from the Saudi Professional League or the investors backing everything that is flowing into the sport these days.

First of all I think the Europe Super League format is never going to happen. Even after it was announced by some top teams UEFA seemed really frustrated about it. They already planned to impose sanction on the teams that are a part of that project. Right after hearing about that we have seen all the teams withdrawing from the project.

UEFA would surely continue to threaten the teams coming with similar ideas. As long as not enough number of teams agree upon not giving up their decision about creating a new format UEFA can easily do what they want as usual.

[Leviathan.007]

Massimiliano Allegri and the board would look for alternative methods to overcome the fundamental difficulties; it would not be simple, but they stood to benefit if they persevered. Juventus are currently dealing with problems, and it is unlikely that they would perform in an average league next season, despite failing to qualify for the UEFA Champions League. The bianconeri have to cope with their punishment for FFP rule violations; I know it will be difficult for them, but nothing is too minuscule or tangible, and they will gradually grow used to it.

I don't know if they will change this or not but as far as I know after getting banned from UEFA Europa Conference League they will be under more pressure because the players who worked hard for the Champions League didn't get want they wanted to get and now when they got the Europa Conference League ticket their team is still banned from this tournament.  

[asriloni]

I don't know if they will change this or not but as far as I know after getting banned from UEFA Europa Conference League they will be under more pressure because the players who worked hard for the Champions League didn't get want they wanted to get and now when they got the Europa Conference League ticket their team is still banned from this tournament.  

I think that you shall try to dig it even deeper. Juventus has been accepting the club to be banned from conference league even before the ban announcement was coming on. It's caused by juventus wanna save the club from the ban once the club qualified for UCL. Think about that. Juventus potentially banned if the club will not take such sanction right now. Better not to participate in the conference league rather than UCL. The management has been thinking so hard about how to avoid the ban from UEFA once juventus qualified for UCL. The fact that if juventus is not playing in UCL. It will not be a problem if juventus missing a chance to participate in the third tier of UEFA competition.
Juventus tries to secure its chance for UCL in the future. It will be so bad if juventus gonna be banned once the club has been qualified for UCL. Many players don't wanna see it to happen for juventus.
It's better to take the sanction now rather than later. Juventus accepting the ban from conference league caused by it wanna save its players to participate in UCL after next season.

[AndySt]

I think that you shall try to dig it even deeper. Juventus has been accepting the club to be banned from conference league even before the ban announcement was coming on. It's caused by juventus wanna save the club from the ban once the club qualified for UCL. Think about that. Juventus potentially banned if the club will not take such sanction right now. Better not to participate in the conference league rather than UCL. The management has been thinking so hard about how to avoid the ban from UEFA once juventus qualified for UCL. The fact that if juventus is not playing in UCL. It will not be a problem if juventus missing a chance to participate in the third tier of UEFA competition. Juventus tries to secure its chance for UCL in the future. It will be so bad if juventus gonna be banned once the club has been qualified for UCL. Many players don't wanna see it to happen for juventus.
It's better to take the sanction now rather than later. Juventus accepting the ban from conference league caused by it wanna save its players to participate in UCL after next season.

Oh, yes, this is an element of the deal between Juventus and UEFA, when the club is suspended from participating in the European Cup for a season, and the club does not try to dispute it, in exchange for the rejection of claims by UEFA. In principle, Juventus fans and management, on the contrary, should rejoice at the suspension from the third most important European Cup, and not let's say the Champions League, where the price of non-participation is much higher. Another question is that this does not protect against future claims and sanctions from regulatory authorities inside Italy. So the issue is still not completely closed.

[shinratensei_]

Intermilan has been putting thuram under its radar. Some suggested that he has become the most suitable replacement for lukaku.

https://football-italia.net/thuram-is-the-lukaku-replacement-for-inter/

My 2 cents if intermilan shall reconsider it again. His performance with gladbach was not so good. I think there is also another potential that can perform even better than him.

I agree with you about Marcus Thuram. He has a great dad who is a legendary player, Lillian Thuram but his career is not as good as his dad.

Marcus Thuram career was not growing up well and he is already 25 years old that should be golden time in a player career. So far I can see Marcus Thuram can not become a world class player and signing him to replace Lukaku is something not wise.

There are so many great strikers in the bundesliga like niclas füllkrug, kolo muani or vincenzo griffo. I would prefer to see intermilan to get kolo muani instead of marcus thuram. Muani will be suitable for intermilan.

I hope the club is gonna reconsider its decision again. Kolo muani's performance is far impressive compared with marcus thuram.

Kolo Muani is a young player but he plays well and Inter Milan will have better choice if they negotiate to buy Muani. Fullkrug is not flexible with his body and he has slower speed than Kolo Muani.

Kolo Muani will support Lautaro Martinez and help the Argentinian player has more chances when opponents spend more attention on Muani.

I do agree with it. That's why kolo muani is far better to replace lukaku rather than marcus thuram. Thuram, who has been signed by Intermilan, has been compared to Edin Dzeko by Lautaro due to their similar playing styles.
I meant this kind of striker can't play multiple roles like lukaku. The transfer has already been completed, and I hope that Thuram will perform well in Inter Milan as his new club.

Let's see how thuram gonna compete with another striker in serie a. Assuming that he has difficulty adapting to Serie A, I am positive that he will be provided with the necessary help and support from whole of intermilan players.

[snipie]

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UEFA will not accept any league that will rip off their funds. They created Conference League to collect as much money as possible. Finance matters more than sport in their eyes. Creating a better league will attract all eyes and ads there so...
Juventus in the other hand was heavily sanctioned comparing to the other teams. They dig hard to make the team and the players suffer.

[giammangiato]

The UEFA is the football governing body of the entire European football and yet do issue sanctions to clubs who go against the organization's rules. Juventus isn't the first to be sanctioned and they won't be the last to receive sanction as far other European clubs will still go against UEFA rules in one way or the other.
Juventus should learn from their mistakes and be cautious of how they operate going forward. The sanction I think can still be appealed but whatever happens at the will surely tell Juventus that they really need to be careful in their future dealings

Yes, but it's a really hard and heavy punishment.
I think the fact that Juventus wanted to participate in the Super League also counts, so they are going really hard now against it without making any concessions. It seems to me an exaggerated penalty

[Jatiluhung]

I do not know what Juventus did that was so big, but between the league issue, and the conference league issue and then the punishment for that much money, all combined makes the team so bad. I am sure Nedved must be having flashbacks and a little PTSD because he would remember what happened last time everyone attacked them.

I do not know if what they did would worth this, after all this would mean at least a few seasons of bad results, first already happened because of punishments, but they must follow the rules without a doubt. Is there like some person there who is still in charge that makes the team do this? Like the last time and going down relegation, and now this time again, why it's always them? Why not others?

Even though Juventus often get into trouble and get sanctions, but if it continues like every season. Then of course this club will not have enough motivation to win the title. Several young players are ready to be loaned out. And some of the club's mainstay players are also ready to be released if someone is interested and the offer matches what Juventus wants. Though I hope they can compete more fiercely in the coming season. But with the club's condition like this, of course we can't expect much.

In the past, Juventus were also subject to more severe sanctions, they were relegated to the current Serie B (in 2006). Even his two Scudetto titles were revoked at that time. I forgot what they did wrong. either score manipulation or score fixing. I forgot the details. But the point is they always get into trouble. They even got point deductions in the following seasons at that time. But I still really don't get used to all this. Because in terms of performance Juventus is a club that deserves to be in the Champions League. I prefer that klub be given sanctions such as monetary fines only. But there's no need for them to be kicked out of an important competition. Always annoyed when reading news like this.

[marcous]

Instead of getting additional funds from the competition Juventus actually had to spend money really bad season for Juventus
It was a fair decision from UEFA anyone who does the same thing must get the same punishment otherwise , other clubs will protest
By the way UEFA decision isn't final right? Juventus can still appeal and ask for a reduction at least 1/2 of the fine.

The Juventus president stated they would not appeal against UEFA decision. The aim is to provide certainty to players, sponsors and their partners with complete peace, because if an appeal is made it will take time and the results may not be satisfactory. Their place will be taken by Fiorentina in the Europa Conference League, and Juve will be obliged to pay a fine of 20 Million Euros.

This is very hard for Juventus because it will reduce their income quite a lot by not participating in European competitions next season.

source: https://football-italia.net/juventus-confirm-no-appeal-against-uefa-exclusion/

[CLS63]

I do agree with it. That's why kolo muani is far better to replace lukaku rather than marcus thuram. Thuram, who has been signed by Intermilan, has been compared to Edin Dzeko by Lautaro due to their similar playing styles.
I meant this kind of striker can't play multiple roles like lukaku. The transfer has already been completed, and I hope that Thuram will perform well in Inter Milan as his new club.

Let's see how thuram gonna compete with another striker in serie a. Assuming that he has difficulty adapting to Serie A, I am positive that he will be provided with the necessary help and support from whole of intermilan players.

Kolo Muani is potentially a much better alternative indeed. However his cost to Inter would be like huge. Because even his market price is 80m euros and I can't imagine how Frankfurt would price him as well. I assume that it would be like 90-100m euros. Would Inter be willing to spend that much? I don't think so. While they have a wonderful and very valuable striker like Martinez they wouldn't like to bring another high cost striker to the team. They are already not very willing to spend too much money on a player.

Kolo Muani is likely to be kept by Frankfurt for another season unless some rich team decide to pay his worth.

[len01]

Massimiliano Allegri and the board would look for alternative methods to overcome the fundamental difficulties; it would not be simple, but they stood to benefit if they persevered. Juventus are currently dealing with problems, and it is unlikely that they would perform in an average league next season, despite failing to qualify for the UEFA Champions League. The bianconeri have to cope with their punishment for FFP rule violations; I know it will be difficult for them, but nothing is too minuscule or tangible, and they will gradually grow used to it.

I don't know if they will change this or not but as far as I know after getting banned from UEFA Europa Conference League they will be under more pressure because the players who worked hard for the Champions League didn't get want they wanted to get and now when they got the Europa Conference League ticket their team is still banned from this tournament.  

if we think logically this is like a joke when in last season to get Juventus champions league tickets was banned due to violation issues and now when getting conference league tickets Juventus also got punished, like dropping Juventus indirectly.
I just think about what is the cause of all this because even though I am not a Juventus fan, Im a little sorry to see that the punishments that are always getting cause the players to feel disappointed and it is in vain to perform well in this team. or if its not possible that Juventus will only perform badly in the summer after that many players leave there with the excuse that they want to continue their career with the right team.

[3meek]

Hard to imagine when Juventus will be able to recover from all these negative events... They have not been doing well in Serie A for a long time now, nor in the Champions League... Now they are left without European Cups next season and without a lot of money to spend on improving the club... Probably next season will be bad for them again...