Quickseller escrowing for himself

[Vod]

I removed Quickseller because he was acting to deceive people, and I can't, and won't, be a part of that (he wasn't banned) if I know about it. I don't think he had bad intentions, or is a bad person, just maybe didn't think it all the way through.

So QS outright lied about being banned (for what reasons I don't know).  I don't see how anyone can trust a word of what he types anymore.

Funny enough if a random did what quickseller has done until now he would have gotten hundreds of negative ratings easily, yet quickseller has no negative not even neutral from a dt member.

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

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[deadley]

I removed Quickseller because he was acting to deceive people, and I can't, and won't, be a part of that (he wasn't banned) if I know about it. I don't think he had bad intentions, or is a bad person, just maybe didn't think it all the way through.

So QS outright lied about being banned (for what reasons I don't know).  I don't see how anyone can trust a word of what he types anymore.

Funny enough if a random did what quickseller has done until now he would have gotten hundreds of negative ratings easily, yet quickseller has no negative not even neutral from a dt member.

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

So is it true, there is some kind of high command system in Bitcointalk. Where they decide who will be in default and who will not. Someone from high command can abuse whole system and make Bitcointalk trust system joke.

Since when you are fearing giving negative feedback.

[Vod]

So is it true, there is some kind of high command system in Bitcointalk. Where they decide who will be in default and who will not. Someone from high command can abuse whole system and make Bitcointalk trust system joke.

Since when you are fearing giving negative feedback.

Theymos is the end all.  He decides who goes into level 1.  Those people decide who go to level 2, etc.  If you cannot trust the Administrator, why are you here?

I don't fear leaving negative feedback.  QS said he is leaving the community.  He did a lot of good work here so there is no need to stab him in the back as he leaves.

I did say I'll revist this the end of the week.  If he is going to hang around and continue to try and scam (even under his alts) negative trust WILL have to be left.

[koshgel]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

[onemorexmr]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

if extraKrispy is really an alt of tomatocage he as has given himself a positive trust rating...
imho thats more worse than just escrowing himself...

well...bitcointalk trust system is way more fucked than i thought!

[EcuaMobi]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

Edit: I've been pointed out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.msg10358524#msg10358524

Indeed extraKrispy seems to be an alt account of tomatocage. I must say I'm disappointed at TC. While I don't think acting as escrow for himself is exactly scam I do think it's wrong. The same (or even more) applies to leaving a positive feedback to his own alt, especially from a DT account. The minimum TC could do is remove that feedback and stop doing that.

Since this seems to be a common practice I decided to remove the neutral feedback I had left on QS' profile just because I won't leave feedback everywhere.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

[koshgel]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..


Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.msg10358524#msg10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

[jonald_fyookball]

You may be right Vod.  I'm always impressed by your intuition and judgement.

Still, I would like to hear from tcspacepilot about what he actually did.
If he did use a bot to game rewards, I wouldn't consider that good behavior.

You should review this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.0 and this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303613.0. Those two threads are the ones that tsp made all of his claims and explanations about his behavior.

After hearing tspacepilot's explanation, I side with his word over tradefortress.
TF not only knew there was a bot, but demand an arbitrary payment amount.
As always, there are two sides to every story.

[ndnh]

People I know (reasonably well - excl. admins here) and I trust.

theymos
BadBear

dooglus
Vod
shorena


and a couple of mods.

That is just it.

I trust some others, but either I don't know them much or too personal or almost didn't make it.

[Bardman]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..


Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.msg10358524#msg10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

WoW a lot of things are appearing out of nowhere, that honestly makes tomatocage look really suspicious and as i said before if other guy did the same as quickseller or tomatocage, giving themselves trust and someone found out they would have a lot of negative ratings by now...

[Cxinbolen]

So if TC also did what QS did here... shouldn't he be taken off of DT as well? Or is there something else that I'm missing.

[ndnh]

So if TC also did what QS did here... shouldn't he be taken off of DT as well? Or is there something else that I'm missing.

No idea. That would explain why he supports self-escrowing.

I don't think I should post here anymore. Wardrick is nuts already... Now if TC goes off DT too, he is probably going to give me a negative trust for God knows what..

[tspacepilot]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..


Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.msg10358524#msg10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

That's a very interesting find, koshgel.  It certainly explains why he said upthread that escrowing for yourself isn't a big deal.  It seems slightly less malevolent than the QS scheme because it appears that each time he was the one to pay escrow fees.  That said, I think you're right to ask about double standards here.

EDIT:
I think the fact that Quickseller finally fully demonstrated the volitility of his modus operandi to the observers in this thread probably also has a lot to do with his fate.  For a long time, QS' unrepentant ire was only fully unleashed on newbie accounts and those with no trading history.  Those who he saw as "above" him in some way were always treated with reverence.  As QS seemed to fully explode and unleash the bile on Vod just upthread, the calling of "asshole" and stating how he's above the rules and risks that others have to abide by, I think a lot of people who weren't really involved in his treatment of newbie accounts got to see the kind of personality we're dealing with here.

[Quickseller]

Why the double standard?

Tomatocage did the same thing with his alt extraKrispy but he has seen as one of the most trustworthy people here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793183.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257307

I'm not saying I don't trust tomatocage but what's the deal with double standards and witch hunts?

Is it a fact extraKrispy is an alt of tomatocage? Where's the proof? The linked thread doesn't suggest that.

He accidentally posted from the extraKrispy account when he created a thread in currency exchange under his main. He admitted it was his alt when someone in that thread called it out. I can look for the thread but it was months ago..


Edit - Found it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.msg10358524#msg10358524

Again. I dont think Tomatocage is doing anything malicious on purpose but the double standard here via witch hunts is disconcerting.

That's a very interesting find, koshgel.  It certainly explains why he said upthread that escrowing for yourself isn't a big deal.  It seems slightly less malevolent than the QS scheme because it appears that each time he was the one to pay escrow fees.  That said, I think you're right to ask about double standards here.

[tspacepilot]

makes internet meme which doesn't take timeline into account

Good job, QS, you've discovered the fun of the world-wide-web!  I hope you enjoy yourself out there!

In case you consider that it might be relevant, I'll point out that the information that TC has been self-escrowing has come to my attention in the last hour.  Feel free to open up a scam-accusation thread against him.  I wish you luck.

EDIT:

Ooooo!  I get it.  You think I was saying double-standard as in "if it's okay for TC it should be okay for QS".  That explains your cute poster.  Let me clarify: I'm suggesting that it shouldn't be okay for QS or for TC.  I hope that helps!

[eneilwex]

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[jonald_fyookball]

I think QS removal from DT is punishment enough for the "crime".

[Hazelnut]

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

In that case you should give a negative to TC, he is the one behind all this. QS was only a puppet who was discarded when he was more trouble than was worth.

Follow this link, scroll down and leave your rating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=37522

[xetsr]

Quickseller is threatening that anyone who leaves him negative trust will be excluded from DT.  Not sure if that is true or not (high level alts?) but I think people are erring on the side caution until all the shit is exposed.

I wouldn't leave him negative trust. Obviously he's a great scam buster but I wouldn't leave him negative trust. He's proven how he can go on the offensive & ruin people. Who knows how many alts he has, it's not something I'd want to fight. I don't even trade here but I don't want negative trust. I'm not surprised people are scared to give him negative trust.

TSP has been persecuted & now the negative trust he had from QS is effectively worthless he suddenly has another one from a different account. I'd advise anybody who is just a normal poster (not on DT) to steer clear of QS & to not piss him off.

So what if he gives you negative trust? How will that affect your life in the real world? Should we cower in fear of the admins and mods? I will negative trust him If I knew how.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

If you're a trader, buyer or seller here and you're afraid you'll get trolled to the point where it would affect business in the real world, leaving a negative is not such a good idea IMO. This is why I do not getting involved with certain members and disputes, instead remain neutral and just point out things others may have missed.

Remember what happened to Vod and the fake allegations against him? Can't remember if that was all because of negative trust but either way, I don't think anyone wants that to happen to them. Remember that some members are willing to go further then the rest.