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September 05, 2015, 01:51:29 PM
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Good job @tspacepilot Wink , thanks for the analysis. Now everyone of us can search and compare the results.



PS: I'm still thinking that you don't deserve the negative trust for a fact 'accomplished' few years ago, even a neutral trust.
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September 05, 2015, 02:00:02 PM
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PS: I'm still thinking that you don't deserve the negative trust for a fact 'accomplished' few years ago, even a neutral trust.
I don't, either. However that should be discussed in the tsp vs. QS thread in Meta, not here.

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September 05, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
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Why Quickseller haven't made any reply? Huh

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September 05, 2015, 04:16:48 PM
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Why Quickseller haven't made any reply? Huh

We don't know why... but he did have the time to make a post from 'his alt account' QS banned and it seems he can't make a post from his main account.





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September 05, 2015, 04:24:10 PM
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I believe I am allowed to post in scam accusations threads that have to do with me.

Tspacepilot, you are a scammer and a troll. You are an idiot for thinking you can find my unknown alts. You are an asshole and are wrong. I am looking forward to when karma catches up to you.

Not sure. This could be a real trail or a false trail. Clever and stupid. Smiley

For me, the more interesting part of the message is this:

This is the only newbie account of mine that posted on this thread.

So, again, QS refuses to deny that he is panthers52.  Very intersesting to hear from the poster (over here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.msg12336439#msg12336439) who says he has traded with "both" of the "them" and knows where "they" live.  I would imagine that any number of people who have bought or sold the lealana coins to or from QS/Panthers would have shipping evidence which could be relevant here.

Anyway, for me, the evidence is quite overwhelming and this peice of using a bit of language modelling to show that they have the same way of writing was just the icing on the cake.

As ndnhc has said, it seems unlikely that QS would leave an IP or blockchain trail between the two accounts as he's so focused on that kind of evidence that it borders on the obsessive (fun side-note, refer above to where QS wrote to me as panthers trying to find out more about which addresses I might own).  But, alas, when it comes to other sorts of evidence QS seems blind as a bat.  He doesn't seem to realize at all about the other things which give him away.
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September 05, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
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QS wants everyone to think Panthers52 is his alt Huh

I frankly don't get it. What is the QS drama about?

Edit: LOL. Tongue QS very likely is. Smiley
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September 05, 2015, 05:03:43 PM
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QS wants everyone to think Panthers52 is his alt Huh
In that case he's doing a very good job.  Seems to me the next question is whether escrowing for yourself under an alt is a scam.
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September 05, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
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QS wants everyone to think Panthers52 is his alt Huh
In that case he's doing a very good job.  Seems to me the next question is whether escrowing for yourself under an alt is a scam.

I think it is. Especially if a fee was involved and the other party is kept in the dark.
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September 05, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
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Not sure. This could be a real trail
So, again, QS refuses to deny that he is panthers52.  Very intersesting to hear from the poster (over here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129059.msg12336439#msg12336439) who says he has traded with "both" of the "them" and knows where "they" live.  I would imagine that any number of people who have bought or sold the lealana coins to or from QS/Panthers would have shipping evidence which could be relevant here.
I don't know if they would have address proof of Quickseller, I suspect he probably uses a PO Box like most big traders here do so he doesn't need to have things shipped to his address of residence.

So if he does use a PO box, the most info someone would have on Quickseller is the city he's in, and possibly the area he's in as well.
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September 05, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
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The first poster has absolutely no ethics nor morals. He has stolen money from at least one website, and is advertising another casino that is clearly a scam. He does not care about warning others, in fact he is strongly against the warning of others about potential scams.

The purpose of the first poster creating this thread is to sling QS and myself's reputation through the mud because QS had called him out as a thief and because I had disagreed with him. This is not the first time that TSP has claimed that users who disagree with him are an alt of someone calling him a scammer, but you do not need to take my word for it, you only need to take a look at this thread, more specifically, look at TSP's reaction when someone agreed with $username. What did TSP do? He claimed the persons agreeing with $username was one of $username's sock-puppets.

One of the users who correctly said that TSP is a scammer is bitcointalk.org moderator Mitchell. Over a year later TSP started using a sock-puppet account to pressure Mitchell to take down a paid advertisement on a thread that he was spending a portion of his limited and valuable time maintaining. Here is an example where TSP was being especially an asshole to Mitchell:
Hello everyone,

Sorry that I haven't posted anything here lately, but my internship is consuming almost all of my time. These are the final two weeks, so things are getting busy and stressful for me. Rapports have to be written, code has to be checked, presentations have to be made, etc.

I will try update the OP somewhere this week, but please don't expect anything, because I can't promise you an update. After these two weeks it will be smooth sailing, but for now, please bear with me.

My opinion: I would bear with you a lot more happily if you'd take that advert of the front page.  As long as you're selling this thread, you should keep it up to date and not complain or say things like "don't expect anything".  If the advert is gone, then everything you said is very reasonable.  Again, just my opinion.

That's...the most dickhead thing I have heard someone say on this forum this month.

Donations amount to almost nothing for this thread, I'll bet. And he gets around 0.02 BTC every 10 days from the ad. That's hardly reimbursement for his time anyway. It's not even intrusive.
@TSP - Can you explain your months-long harassing behavior towards Mitchell as being anything other then retaliation for Mitchell agreeing that you are a scammer? If this cannot be properly address, or is ignored, then the preponderance of evidence will show that TSP harassed Mitchell for months in retaliation for calling him a scammer.


The reason TSP does not like QS is not as clear cut as it initially appears. QS had purchased advertising from Mitchell several times, and this was advertising revenue that TSP did not want Mitchell to have. TSP even went as far to start to troll QS in a signature campaign that QS was acting as escrow for.

Quote from: TSP April 09, 2015, 06:14:04 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018585.msg11034617#msg11034617
Quote from: Quickseller on April 09, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018585.msg11030388#msg11030388
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

This is quickseller from bitcointalk.

The escrow address for the bitcoinpoker.ag signature campaign is : 1NPDJ8gmNbZd2QimaQzbFBmGUtCX5djgrC

This is in reference to the thread located: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018585.0

As long as there are funds in the escrow address to cover payment to all participants then it is safe to wear the signature.

Thank you.
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=WlZe
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Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

This is quickseller from bitcointalk.

The escrow address for the bitcoinpoker.ag signature campaign is : 1NPDJ8gmNbZd2QimaQzbFBmGUtCX5djgrC

This is in reference to the thread located: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018585.0

As long as there are funds in the escrow address to cover payment to all participants then it is safe to wear the signature.

Thank you.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Hi Quickseller,  how can we verify your PGP message (without knowing your PGP public key)?  Also, I think the point of the signed message from the escrow is usually to prove that you control the bitcoin address associated with the escrow.  So, I think you ought to sign a message using the private key of 1NPDJ8gmNbZd2QimaQzbFBmGUtCX5djgrC so that we can verify that you control the address.

I love PGP but in this context we aren't trying to verify your identity, we want to verify that you control the funds.
Quote from: TSP April 09, 2015, 07:20:52 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018585.msg11035305#msg11035305
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Quickseller, do you control 1NPDJ8gmNbZd2QimaQzbFBmGUtCX5djgrC ?

I'm quite surprised that what I said is in anyway controversial.  It seems quite straightforward to me.
The above might seem like a reasonable inquiry upon an initial review, however there are two points that should be made:
#1) TSP was not participating in that paid signature campaign, and this fact means that he really does not have standing to question how the escrow is working. If this was the only issue, I would give him a pass, but it is not.
#2) The escrow that TSP had started participating in prior to making the above inquiry used a similar PGP signed message to confirm the receipt of funds (except this PGP signed message did not even control an address in which he was holding funds):
Quote from: TSP March 03, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973949.msg10646213#msg10646213
Ok, I'm in!

Name: tspacepilot
Post count: 1714
BTC address: 1PtuuKPwm9nmmFEyvnJBsqfjn51uHjTqda (same as in profile)

I have added your signature and I await confirmation of my enrolment.  Thanks for the opportunity!
Quote from: sed March 11, 2015, 01:49:06 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973949.msg10646213#msg10646213
Ok, I'm in!

Name: tspacepilot
Post count: 1714
BTC address: 1PtuuKPwm9nmmFEyvnJBsqfjn51uHjTqda (same as in profile)

I have added your signature and I await confirmation of my enrolment.  Thanks for the opportunity!
Quote from: Devthedev March 03, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973949.msg10647762#msg10647762
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

I will be providing escrow services for the DaDice signature campaign.
I am in possession of 8BTC for the first week, and dadice has stated that he or she will be refilling the address weekly.
ndnhc will be managing the campaign and will be maintaining a list of enrollees for payment each Tuesday.
Upon verification of the spreadsheet, the enrollees will receive payment to the address provided.

No more than 7.4BTC will be released to campaign members weekly.

Hero/Legendary/Staff Members: 20*.0015*100 =3
Senior Members: 20*.0013*100 =2.6
Full Members: 20*.0009*100 =1.8

The escrow fee for this signature campaign is 3%

Let me know if you have any questions, I'm looking forward to working with each of you.
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@TSP - Why exactly were you trolling QS about signing a message from a bitcoin address he was holding funds in for a signature campaign when the escrow for your very own signature campaign was holding funds in the exact same way? Was this because QS had done business with Mitchell in the past who had previously called you a scammer? If you cannot address this issue, or if you ignore this issue then the preponderance of evidence will show that you chose to harass QS because he did business with someone you did not like, and was making your overall harassment less effective.

#One additional point to add regarding this is that TSP has often advocated that DaDice is a legitimate company despite their refusal to provide any kind of evidence of controlling the amount of money they claim to control. @TSP - Can you explain why you would trust a brand new user with zero prior reputation to claim they have over a hundred thousand dollars worth of bitcoin, when you did not trust someone who has been around a while and had some number of successful trades?

TSP has also used a number of obvious shill accounts in order to make both QS and myself look bad. TSP also used at least one shill account to attempt to scam me.

Looks like you are just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks are you jealous that quickseller is on the default trust list and you are not this proves how much he derserves it and not you
please show more respect for quickseller,
he tries so hard to keep us all safe.
Both of these are brand new accounts with only one post. After the first account posted, I had initially thought that this was a reputable member telling TSP that he is butthurt without risking that he get trolled and harassed. However once the second account posted, it became more apparent that TSP was using brand new accounts to make a very weak argument against TSP that should have looked like QS was using sock-puppet accounts.
@TSP - do you really think your argument was so weak that you needed to use additional sock-puppet accounts in order to further the reputation of both QS and myself? I am certain you are going to deny this, so I will say that this activity just makes you an asshole.


Some of you reading this may wonder what exactly this has to do with me. Not long ago, I was critical of TSP's opinion that others should not be warned about Maidak, who has credible scam accusations against him totaling thousands of dollars. He later followed up with me via PM asking me to delete the critical comments against him, and asked that I post in his meta thread against QS. I told him that I wanted to avoid the drama even though I think he is a scammer. We then went back and fourth via PM with him making very vague arguments that really did not make any sense to me, and I eventually ended it with that it is not my job to get him to agree that he is a scammer.


TL;DR - TSP is someone who will troll, and harass you if you disagree with him, or if you do business with someone that disagree with him. I would warn anyone reading this post to stay far away from TSP and avoid interacting with him at all costs because you never know if you will accidentally say something that he disagree with.

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September 05, 2015, 08:25:54 PM
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I was quite sure before but this unexpected proof and different writing style is confusing me, and TBH I don't think QS actually would do something to extent his ban. Thats too stupid, even for QS
Okay. So how would you explain the PGP key? Someone else couldn't have done that.
Yeah thats what my logic is telling as well. NVM me thats just me getting confused.

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I cannot speak for QS, although it is a bad idea to host your PGP private key on any website. If he did do this then I would recommend others not to do business with him.

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September 06, 2015, 12:14:32 AM
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I believe I am allowed to post in scam accusations threads that have to do with me.

Tspacepilot, you are a scammer and a troll. You are an idiot for thinking you can find my unknown alts. You are an asshole and are wrong. I am looking forward to when karma catches up to you.

Not sure. This could be a real trail or a false trail. Clever and stupid. Smiley

For me, the more interesting part of the message is this:

This is the only newbie account of mine that posted on this thread.

So, again, QS refuses to deny that he is panthers52. 

What are you talking about?

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Tspacepilot, you are a scammer and a troll. You are an idiot for thinking you can find my unknown alts.You are an asshole and are wrong. I am looking forward to when karma catches up to you.
I think I was pretty clear in saying that you are wrong.
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September 06, 2015, 12:42:46 AM
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I don't see how escrowing for himself would be a scam, unless he's tacking on an extra escrow fee and making the other party pay it. Even then there would be much more effective ways to scam such as, well, simply walking away with the entire escrow amount. From the outside it might seem a little shady, but you have to consider the fact that he's a highly trusted member and very effective scam-buster. As such it's only natural that he would make a lot of enemies from people whose intentions may not be totally above-board to begin with. So if, for instance, QS saw a deal for widgets in the Marketplace section that he couldn't pass up, but he knew that ordering widgets would potentially expose him to the sort of people previously referred to, it's only logical that he might use an alt to abstract himself.

tspacepilot, I like you, man. I think you bring to the forum a certain level of quality and content that most users sorely lack. Furthermore, I do not think QS's rating for you is totally necessary. However, I feel that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, so to speak. As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.

So basically I'd file this accusation in the "big flippin deal" bucket.

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I don't see how escrowing for himself would be a scam, unless he's tacking on an extra escrow fee and making the other party pay it. Even then there would be much more effective ways to scam such as, well, simply walking away with the entire escrow amount. From the outside it might seem a little shady, but you have to consider the fact that he's a highly trusted member and very effective scam-buster. As such it's only natural that he would make a lot of enemies from people whose intentions may not be totally above-board to begin with. So if, for instance, QS saw a deal for widgets in the Marketplace section that he couldn't pass up, but he knew that ordering widgets would potentially expose him to the sort of people previously referred to, it's only logical that he might use an alt to abstract himself.

tspacepilot, I like you, man. I think you bring to the forum a certain level of quality and content that most users sorely lack. Furthermore, I do not think QS's rating for you is totally necessary. However, I feel that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, so to speak. As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.

So basically I'd file this accusation in the "big flippin deal" bucket.

Using himself an escrow totally beats the purpose of using an escrow. It is not like he is the only escrow in the entire forum. Tongue

If I am dealing with Quickseller, I would use escrow. Now he suggest someone who is himself, which I didn't know then, and the deal goes through, I would feel myself cheated. It is not considered to be okay.

He can use make deals with people, use himself as escrow. completely okay?.. till the day he decides to scam everyone and leave the forum?
Quickseller's own arguments say that past performance of anyone is no guarantee to what anyone will do in the future.

Escrowing to himself is no escrow at all. If the other party wanted an escrow, and he uses himself, that would be kind of a breach of trust.

All this is, ignoring that he got a fee and a trust feedback for this, which makes things even more worse.



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As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.

It is very well the other way round.
I would like to suggest this:

Any party whose reputation is damaged by Quickseller resulting in a loss of any kind or that costed the party a significant amount of time and eventually this particular party is proved reasonably innocent of the accusation, he/she should be compensated by QS for any loss he/she has suffered including opportunity cost. (i.e. the party should be able to claim a reasonably amount of damages from Quickseller) Smiley
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September 06, 2015, 05:23:21 AM
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I don't see how escrowing for himself would be a scam, unless he's tacking on an extra escrow fee and making the other party pay it. Even then there would be much more effective ways to scam such as, well, simply walking away with the entire escrow amount. From the outside it might seem a little shady, but you have to consider the fact that he's a highly trusted member and very effective scam-buster. As such it's only natural that he would make a lot of enemies from people whose intentions may not be totally above-board to begin with. So if, for instance, QS saw a deal for widgets in the Marketplace section that he couldn't pass up, but he knew that ordering widgets would potentially expose him to the sort of people previously referred to, it's only logical that he might use an alt to abstract himself.

tspacepilot, I like you, man. I think you bring to the forum a certain level of quality and content that most users sorely lack. Furthermore, I do not think QS's rating for you is totally necessary. However, I feel that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, so to speak. As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.

So basically I'd file this accusation in the "big flippin deal" bucket.

Using himself an escrow totally beats the purpose of using an escrow. It is not like he is the only escrow in the entire forum. Tongue

If I am dealing with Quickseller, I would use escrow. Now he suggest someone who is himself, which I didn't know then, and the deal goes through, I would feel myself cheated. It is not considered to be okay.

He can use make deals with people, use himself as escrow. completely okay?.. till the day he decides to scam everyone and leave the forum?
Quickseller's own arguments say that past performance of anyone is no guarantee to what anyone will do in the future.

Escrowing to himself is no escrow at all. If the other party wanted an escrow, and he uses himself, that would be kind of a breach of trust.

All this is, ignoring that he got a fee and a trust feedback for this, which makes things even more worse.



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As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.

It is very well the other way round.
I would like to suggest this:

Any party whose reputation is damaged by Quickseller resulting in a loss of any kind or that costed the party a significant amount of time and eventually this particular party is proved reasonably innocent of the accusation, he/she should be compensated by QS for any loss he/she has suffered including opportunity cost. (i.e. the party should be able to claim a reasonably amount of damages from Quickseller) Smiley

lol...

Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.
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Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

Only saying this because I think it drives home a relevant point:

Wouldn't finding out that the "escrow" is the same person as your trading partner sorta defeat the purpose of escrow in such a situation?  Isn't the idea of using an escrow that you've got a neutral third party?
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September 06, 2015, 05:30:55 AM
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Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

Only saying this because I think it drives home a relevant point:

Wouldn't finding out that the "escrow" is the same person as your trading partner sorta defeat the purpose of escrow in such a situation?  Isn't the idea of using an escrow that you've got a neutral third party?
@tspacepilot- admit that you lost in this case. You are butthurt and are upset that you were caught being a scammer.

I would kindly recommend that you use more anal lube next time around.

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September 06, 2015, 05:32:38 AM
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Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

Only saying this because I think it drives home a relevant point:

Wouldn't finding out that the "escrow" is the same person as your trading partner sorta defeat the purpose of escrow in such a situation?  Isn't the idea of using an escrow that you've got a neutral third party?

I agree 100% that if someone used their own alt as an escrow that would be wrong. I really hope that was not the case here, as that would be extremely shady. I can't really call that a scam in the traditional sense, but shady as hell. I really do not know if Panthers is QS - I really hope he is not one in the same. I do agree with TC though - if there is some collateral damage it is worth all the other stopped scams. 
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September 06, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
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I don't see how escrowing for himself would be a scam, unless he's tacking on an extra escrow fee and making the other party pay it.
Isn't this exactly what escrows do?  Doesn't the buyer always pay the escrow fee?  Isn't the point of an escrow to have a neutral third party in a deal between two people?  Isn't the idea that the escrow is secretely one of the deal partners a direct perversion of this?

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Even then there would be much more effective ways to scam such as, well, simply walking away with the entire escrow amount.
Arguing that there are more effective ways to scam doesn't make the less "effective" scam OK.

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From the outside it might seem a little shady, but you have to consider the fact that he's a highly trusted member and very effective scam-buster.

Is he actually a "very effective scam-buster" or is he a bully that has a reputation for a hot-temper?  Where are the cases where he's actually been the one to do some scam busting that wasn't already done by another party?  I've seen that he quickly echoes the negative feedback of one party or another in disputes, often with the effect that the neg-repped party starts claiming "unfair and why is this guy allowed to do this to me"?  But it's not very clear to me that his escalation of disputes between others his a help to the marketplace.  We've seen that he bullies like a school-yard king but I don't see what that's actualy doing to help people.  We've seen him neg-rep people for simply refusing to use his services (see the case of worhipper_-_), we've seen him neg-rep people falsely and then stick to his guns about it until absolute irrefutable proof is provided (despite the fact that logic was against his accusations all along (see the case of ndnhc), we've seen him use alts and his default trust status seemingly for fun to neg-rep people merely for personal dislike (my case), and to troll with alts (see the accounts FunFunnyFan, ACCTSeller, and look, just two posts upthread he's using Panthers52 to talk about "anal lube"---this is your guy, you support him right?).  But where are these mountains of good that he must be doing in order to make up for all the trails of scorched earth that he leaves in his wake?

Even more to the point, don't you think there are other forum members out there with more balanced, better tempered personalites  People who don't have penchants for mockery and personal grudges?  People without track records of shady behavior?  Aren't the the kind of people you should be putting in your trust list?

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As such it's only natural that he would make a lot of enemies from people whose intentions may not be totally above-board to begin with. So if, for instance, QS saw a deal for widgets in the Marketplace section that he couldn't pass up, but he knew that ordering widgets would potentially expose him to the sort of people previously referred to, it's only logical that he might use an alt to abstract himself.

It's also ethical for him to use some other escrow while making deals with that alt.  That much seems quite clear to me.

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tspacepilot, I like you, man. I think you bring to the forum a certain level of quality and content that most users sorely lack. Furthermore, I do not think QS's rating for you is totally necessary.
Then why do you have me PM blocked?  The previous incarnation of you having QS on your trust list, you had him remove the negative and you sent me a paragraph which you had him read in which you told him that you expected all of his ratings to be above board and without personal animus and to give people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.  It seems like you've come a long way from that.

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However, I feel that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, so to speak. As I've said before, I'd rather have a few people butthurt than 10 times as many scammed.
 I'm not sure your 10-to-1 ratio has any basis in fact.  But, what's more, I'm not sure that I'd describe honest people being bullied off the forums by a hothead as nothing more than "butthurt", it seems more serious than that to me.  I'd go further and say that if you allow the bully to run rampant and smear who he likes, you may find after a while that there aren't a lot left of these "little children" for him to protect.

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So basically I'd file this accusation in the "big flippin deal" bucket.
I'm pretty shocked by this assesment.  I don't know what else to say about that.
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September 06, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
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Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

LOL. Didn't know you would take that seriously..
Meant DD.

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