Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK?

[Quickseller]

If proof has been presented then you should have no issue pointing to the person who I have stolen from, nor advising the amount I have stolen. o.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12404224#msg12404224

There you go.  You scammed, you got caught, you returned the money.  And we know there are many more out there that aren't aware you scammed them and they are entitled to a refund.

Do you think if you robbed a bank, got caught and returned the money, they would let you go?

(Proof has been presented yet again to QS.  But I'll take bets that QS will ask for proof yet again...)   

Why don't you explain how exactly that is me scamming? Both of the people who I refunded explicitly said that they did not feel that I was scamming.

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

You are a troll and a coward. You are afraid to stand behind what you say (or else you would have provided an address that I can serve you). You are afraid to make similar statements about tomatocage because you are afraid of him. This is despite the fact that he has engaged in the exact same activity.

You pick on those who you think are not able to counter any of your generalized arguments. You ignore any factual arguments yet instead rely on buzzwords to try to make a point. You consistently take the easy way out. Why do you think it is that you have huge amounts of negative trust when viewed from depth 3 or 4? It is because you were able to troll others hard enough for them to appear to be a scammer, but have no way of fighting back and left you retaliatory negative trust and eventually abandoned their accounts.

You are against people making informed decisions for themselves, you are against free markets, you are a disgrace to bitcoin, and most importantly, you are a disgrace to this community.   

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[Vod]

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

I give that threat the same credibility I give the rest of your posts - you are a dishonest thief and your words mean nothing.

Since you have so generously offered to refund the escrow fees of the people you scammed, I have created a ledger to keep track:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179179.0

[TheButterZone]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

to censor/intimidate/silence critics of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-dealing

by

OWNGRAVEDIGGER Quickseller

 

[100newcoins]

If proof has been presented then you should have no issue pointing to the person who I have stolen from, nor advising the amount I have stolen. o.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12404224#msg12404224

There you go.  You scammed, you got caught, you returned the money.  And we know there are many more out there that aren't aware you scammed them and they are entitled to a refund.

Do you think if you robbed a bank, got caught and returned the money, they would let you go?

(Proof has been presented yet again to QS.  But I'll take bets that QS will ask for proof yet again...)  

Why don't you explain how exactly that is me scamming? Both of the people who I refunded explicitly said that they did not feel that I was scamming.

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

You are a troll and a coward. You are afraid to stand behind what you say (or else you would have provided an address that I can serve you). You are afraid to make similar statements about tomatocage because you are afraid of him. This is despite the fact that he has engaged in the exact same activity.

You pick on those who you think are not able to counter any of your generalized arguments. You ignore any factual arguments yet instead rely on buzzwords to try to make a point. You consistently take the easy way out. Why do you think it is that you have huge amounts of negative trust when viewed from depth 3 or 4? It is because you were able to troll others hard enough for them to appear to be a scammer, but have no way of fighting back and left you retaliatory negative trust and eventually abandoned their accounts.

You are against people making informed decisions for themselves, you are against free markets, you are a disgrace to bitcoin, and most importantly, you are a disgrace to this community.  

Finally the two biggest thief's (Quickseller & tomatocage) for this forum are caught.

[Quickseller]

b) Deceptive, leading the person to believe that a 3rd party was acting as escrow and charged them extra for the privilege.

Why would a potential trading partner care whose pocket an escrow fee ends up in? Out of spite? If you were somehow forced to utilize an escrow service, then the price you would be willing to pay for the item would decrease by the amount of the escrow fee, this is regardless of who is "paying" for the fee.

[ajareselde]

Maybe if the escrow has split personality disorder, and each of his personalities has his own account, this would then be plausible as ok.
I wouldn't say how that's scamming tho, but no doubt it's not ok to do.

[P-Funk]

If proof has been presented then you should have no issue pointing to the person who I have stolen from, nor advising the amount I have stolen. o.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12404224#msg12404224

There you go.  You scammed, you got caught, you returned the money.  And we know there are many more out there that aren't aware you scammed them and they are entitled to a refund.

Do you think if you robbed a bank, got caught and returned the money, they would let you go?

(Proof has been presented yet again to QS.  But I'll take bets that QS will ask for proof yet again...)   

Why don't you explain how exactly that is me scamming? Both of the people who I refunded explicitly said that they did not feel that I was scamming.

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

You are a troll and a coward. You are afraid to stand behind what you say (or else you would have provided an address that I can serve you). You are afraid to make similar statements about tomatocage because you are afraid of him. This is despite the fact that he has engaged in the exact same activity.

You pick on those who you think are not able to counter any of your generalized arguments. You ignore any factual arguments yet instead rely on buzzwords to try to make a point. You consistently take the easy way out. Why do you think it is that you have huge amounts of negative trust when viewed from depth 3 or 4? It is because you were able to troll others hard enough for them to appear to be a scammer, but have no way of fighting back and left you retaliatory negative trust and eventually abandoned their accounts.

You are against people making informed decisions for themselves, you are against free markets, you are a disgrace to bitcoin, and most importantly, you are a disgrace to this community.   

[mallard]

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

How would you go about doing this? I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.

[Hoffsingen]

Many people before have left negative feedback for shady behaver without any evidence. yet when its quickseller one of the biggest members on the forum and possible future staff member the majority defend the shady behavior even though they admit its shady and very scammy. especially since hes collecting fees for it too

[achow101]

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

How would you go about doing this? I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.

Well he made this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.20 and he is going to try to sue him in court. Although if he does, the identity he has been hiding for so long will be known.

[jonald_fyookball]

I demand that you retract your statements or else you will be liable for libel.

How would you go about doing this? I think it would be more trouble than it's worth.

Well he made this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.20 and he is going to try to sue him in court. Although if he does, the identity he has been hiding for so long will be known.

No one believes for one second that he would actually try to sue him.

Yeah, imagine him explaining in court: "Well, it was true I was escrowing my own deals but that doesn't make me a scammer."

I would imagine that all internet musings and trollings
fall apart instantly when you're in a real, actual courtroom environment.

[erikalui]

Many people before have left negative feedback for shady behaver without any evidence. yet when its quickseller one of the biggest members on the forum and possible future staff member the majority defend the shady behavior even though they admit its shady and very scammy. especially since hes collecting fees for it too

This is because he has not yet scammed anyone. Many DT members have left him a negative rating due to this accusation but still don't believe he is a scammer as he has never attempted a scam. However, I don't trust him anymore and most others here don't trust him as well as his actions seem to be that of a scammer.

[BitcoinBoss666]

Quickseller is not scammer. Vod is just really jealous guy. And he love to stick his nose in not his buisness.

[jonald_fyookball]

Quickseller is not scammer.

You can debate labels, but he did use a secret alt to escrow for himself to get fees.

Seems that at least on a micro level , that was a scam.

No?

[redsn0w]

Quickseller is not scammer.

You can debate labels, but he did use a secret alt to escrow for himself to get fees.

Seems that at least on a micro level , that was a scam.

No?

It was not legit so it can be considered as a scam (in my opinion). The other part didn't know that Quickseller was using an alt during the escrow.

[Grumpster]

Anyone wanting legitimate information on Quickseller's true identity can simply PM me. I see some people have been offering extraordinary sums of bitcoin for information on QS. Talk to me and show me you're serious and maybe I will give you her info for a price. 

[rebuilder]

An "escrow scam" is where one party receives money into "escrow" (while being the escrow) and then fails to deliver the agreed upon goods. Is there someone that is claiming this happened to?

Jumping back here a little to poke holes in this argument. The above is like saying a ponzi scheme is only a scam once it stops paying out. That's nonsense. Leading trade partners to believe their investment is insured by a third party (the definition of escrow, after all) while posing as that third party is a scam. Charging fees for escrow when not providing the security of escrow is definitely a scam. If no-one got badly burnt yet by having the escrow provider unjustly settle a dispute in favour of himself, that's just because it didn't happen yet. Just like with a ponzi scheme.

A scam is a scam all along, it doesn't just turn into one when people find out about it.

[Coinonomous]

Anyone wanting legitimate information on Quickseller's true identity can simply PM me. I see some people have been offering extraordinary sums of bitcoin for information on QS. Talk to me and show me you're serious and maybe I will give you her info for a price.  

LOL... Ummm.. No?

Those of us looking for her info probably have a lot of it already, so I'm certainly not going to pay random guy on this forum, with such shitty trust for the info, which you cannot even prove you have without divulging it...  

Post it up or shut up, eh?  

Edit - Who exactly is offering extraordinary amounts of coin again? I missed that post. 

[Xian01]

...you are a disgrace to this community.   

... says the individual escrowing for themselves.

[wayayo]

Anyone wanting legitimate information on Quickseller's true identity can simply PM me. I see some people have been offering extraordinary sums of bitcoin for information on QS. Talk to me and show me you're serious and maybe I will give you her info for a price. 

Quickseller is a girl?