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[jonald_fyookball]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

You're talkin outta both sides of yer mouth.

On one side: "Oh, its totally fine and legit to use self escrow"
on the other hand: "a real, professional trusted escrow won't do that, just search for one on google".

[Bobsurplus]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

This is my only account Bob.  I don't have time to play around with alt accounts.

I have no problem with alts (can't do anything about it), unless you are using them in concert to scam.

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

You're talkin outta both sides of yer mouth.

On one side: "Oh, its totally fine and legit to use self escrow"
on the other hand: "a real, professional trusted escrow won't do that, just search for one on google".

That is what Im saying.. You have two options. Deal with an escrow nobody on the forum and possibly get scammed or deal with a trusted escrow, outside of this little world that we call bitcoin.
I dont know why we have 100 escrow agents anyway. One of the big guys should set up a site that does this shit semi automatically and build a serious rep as an escrow agent both here on the forum and outside of the forums.. All I see here in the way of escrows are one man shows that are strictly taking place on the forum. No recourse, no website, no company name, no nothing but a forum account.

[ausbit]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

Your 100% right, anyone here could be planning a scam, but the fact in this case in that QS got caught out.

[Bobsurplus]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

Your 100% right, anyone here could be planning a scam, but the fact in this case in that QS got caught out.

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?   
Sounds like a winner to me. Dont you agree.

[Vod]

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

Ok, let's clarify.

I have used alts in the past to separate my business interests.  These are the alts - I can't access them anymore. Look at their last access date.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513899  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876

Everyone interacting with them knew they were my alts, as I was involved in a scam accusation against Armis (PICISI.com).  I even put in the profile that it was my alt, and I added neutral trust to say it was my alts.  I was very open then, as I am now.

Currently I have no other alts.  Period.

[Bobsurplus]

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

Ok, let's clarify.

I have used alts in the past to separate my business interests.  These are the alts - I can't access them anymore. Look at their last access date.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513899  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876

Everyone interacting with them knew they were my alts, as I was involved in a scam accusation against Armis (PICISI.com).  I even put in the profile that it was my alt, and I added neutral trust to say it was my alts.  I was very open then, as I am now.

Currently I have no other alts.  Period.

Good thing we got that all cleared up.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Vod is on the up and up.

Here's a pic of him from RL.

 

~BCX~

[ausbit]

^^ Lol, that's funny. Where's the beard or did the vote get to 100?

[snailmen]

LMFAO!

Butthurt to the extremes! Vod is a great member of the forum

[Vod]

^^ Lol, that's funny. Where's the beard or did the vote get to 100?

Still have the beard. 

I'd take a picture, but I think I look ugly. 

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

ETA: Oops, not a valid BTC address. Well, I need a clearsigned answer nonetheless.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud. 

lol.. Yall barking up the wrong tree here. Either get with the program or leave. Its that simple.

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement (statutes infringing human rights or struck down by the courts are invalid), nor claim thereof, is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

[achow101]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

Well actually there is some old outdated (still in effect) US law that states that using any name that is not your real name online or considered fraud. Off course no one enforced that.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement (statutes infringing human rights or struck down by the courts are invalid), nor claim thereof, is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

1 out of 2 exclusive parties to a trade, cannot be the escrow agent by definition. Regardless of whether restitution was made, fraud occurred if 1 out of 2 exclusive parties pretended to be an escrow agent. Defending the indefensible ad infinitum justifies a lifetime permaban of all accounts.

Once again...

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

ETA: Oops, not a valid BTC address. Well, I need a clearsigned answer nonetheless.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?   

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud. 

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

1 out of 2 exclusive parties to a trade, cannot be the escrow agent by definition. Regardless of whether restitution was made, fraud occurred if 1 out of 2 exclusive parties pretended to be an escrow agent. Defending the indefensible ad infinitum justifies a lifetime permaban of all accounts.

Once again...

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

[Vod]

It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Not so.  Quickscammer admitted he was both accounts.