Requesting-Vod be prevented deleting posts Self Modded thread/Removed from DT

[Quickseller]

Vod is attempting to create an unlimited and unconsented liability by offering refunds for those who have rendered services from me. I had attempted to create a post correcting his misstatement, however he was fairly quick in removing such post from his self moderated thread. To allow for such a thread to remain without a clear and concise statement from myself advising that such refunds were not consented to, Vod is not only allowing, but encouraging extortion against myself by encouraging my previous customers who have had services rendered to request refunds that are not due them. Vod has not implied nor agreed that he will personally pay for nor back the refunds, and as a result the implication is that a liability has been created by myself when no such liability has been created. The thread in question is here.

It is for the above reasons, that I would request that Vod be prevented from deleting any additional posts in any self moderated threads that he has in the past or may in the future create in the future. I would also request, assuming the relivant thread is not moved to the trashcan, that the post that I created that was deleted by Vod on September 13, 2015 at 08:21:21 AM be restored in it's original format.

Separately, but similarly, Vod has left negative trust ratings on multiple account profiles, indicating that such users are scammers when that is not a factual statement. In his comments, he has indicated that the reader should check wikipedia (which can be edited, and changed at anytime by anyone, and is considered to be an unreliable source both in education settings and in professional settings) to read about an "escrow scam" and the current wikipedia (which is against subject to change at any time) entry describes this as when a buyer sends money to what they believe to be a third party escrow that will guarantee the receipt of goods at a later date, and then the party never receives any of the agreed upon goods and the money is stolen from the person who had sent the money to the what was believed to be escrow. This situation, nor anything similar to this situation has not been claimed to have happened by anyone who has claimed to have traded with me, nor has anyone claimed that the agreed upon goods/services/money has not been delivered to them, nor has anyone claimed that any kind of scam attempt has been attempted against them.

Furthermore Vod is either unwilling, unable, or both to engage in any kind of factual based discussion regarding the merits of any kind of dispute, but instead wishes to use "buzzwords" such as "lie" and "scammer" when responding to a fact based argument. As a result of this, it is nearly impossible to engage any kind of debate with him, and this is evidence that once he "makes up his mind" that he is unwilling to listen to any additional facts.

It is for the above reasons that I request that Vod be removed from Default Trust, and if necessary be excluded from Default Trust in order to expedite his removal of his ratings from showing up by default. Vod is currently on both tomatocage's and dooglus's trust lists. If either of these people are unwilling and/or unable to remove Vod from their trust list then I would request that person be removed from Default Trust. If only one of the above is willing to remove Vod from their trust list, then I would request everyone else in Level 1 DefaultTrust to exclude Vod from their trust list, and would request anyone who is not willing to do so to be removed from DT.

Additionally, Vod has an extensive history of derailing threads in which there is someone who disagrees with him, using the above mentioned buzzwords. There has been at least one person forcibly removed from the community because of this behavior and I would not be surprised if others have voluntarily left the community because they are not only unable to conduct business on the forum without Vod's trolling, but also unable to engage in any kind of non-business related discussions without Vod's trolling.  

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[Vod]

Vod is attempting to create an unlimited and unconsented liability by offering refunds for those who have rendered services from me.

To be clear, your liability only extends to those you escrow scammed.   I've asked for a link for each request, so the community will easily be able to see if you scammed them, or if you properly used a third party escrow.

You could make this easier on everyone by providing a list of those you have scammed, so they can ask for the refund you have promised.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

You know the first won't happen. Self moderated threads are self moderated and the OP may do so as they please; they've been there since the inception of the forum with "Local Rules".

I agree that Vod should certainly be removed from DefaultTrust. His remarks disparaging you as a scammer could fall under Canadian defamatory law; given the business activities you conduct on bitcointalk and the damages Vod's remarks could have on you, you might be interested in pursing civil action. And you'll get justice on Vod.

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

To be clear, your liability only extends to those you escrow scammed.   I've asked for a link for each request, so the community will easily be able to see if you scammed them, or if you properly used a third party escrow.

Your characterization of Quickseller as having "escrow scammed" is significantly and manifestly inaccurate, but dig your own grave if you want.

[Vod]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod.

You willing to deposit 20btc to a third party trusted escrow, like Badbear or Theymos?  Otherwise, really, it's just words.  You're not known for your truthfulness.  

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

You willing to deposit 20btc to a third party trusted escrow, like Badbear or Theymos?  Otherwise, really, it's just words.  You're not known for your truthfulness.  

I'm happy to send it to Quickseller directly, right now

[Quickseller]

Vod is attempting to create an unlimited and unconsented liability by offering refunds for those who have rendered services from me.

To be clear, your liability only extends to those you escrow scammed.   I've asked for a link for each request, so the community will easily be able to see if you scammed them, or if you properly used a third party escrow.

You could make this easier on everyone by providing a list of those you have scammed, so they can ask for the refund you have promised.

This is untrue. You had stated that anyone who had used my escrow services in the past is entitled to a refund which is not true, nor is just. There is zero reason why someone who has services rendered should receive any kind of monitory refund when they have received a direct benefit.

I attempted to make this clear on the thread you posted, however you promptly deleted my post, making it necessary for it to be appropriate that you be further prevented from deleting any posts in any self moderated thread you have created in the past or any that you create in the future.

Your use of the word "scammed" is inappropriate, inaccurate, is libel and is evidence that you are not capable of engaging in any kind of conversation based on the merits of a dispute. If you cannot discuss the merits of a trust rating then why should users see your trust ratings by default? I have seen many people who were effectively forced out of the community because of your actions, and while the ratings in question may or may not have been appropriate, it is absolutely not appropriate to remove someone from the community solely because you feel they have scammed, or that they have attempted to scam, especially if they are not attempting to engage in business. 

[Vod]

words

You could make this easier on everyone RIGHT NOW by providing a list of those you have scammed, so they can ask for the refund you have promised.

Also, get an address to TF - he's gonna send you 20btc!!  When you win your lawsuit you can have my new house! 

[Omikifuse]

You said that you would refund all that used your escrow service, not him.

Vod is just helping you to keep your own word

[Quickseller]

You know the first won't happen. Self moderated threads are self moderated and the OP may do so as they please; they've been there since the inception of the forum with "Local Rules".

This is not true. Scammers have been given "hidden scammer tags" in the past that prevent them from deleting posts in self moderated threads. The most recent example that comes to mind that I was able to get this applied to was TheGambler and his alts. I am unsure if Vod's most recent transgression is sufficient to earn him similar restrictions.

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

words

You could make this easier on everyone RIGHT NOW by providing a list of those you have scammed, so they can ask for the refund you have promised.

Also, get an address to TF - he's gonna send you 20btc!!  When you win your lawsuit you can have my new house! 

Quoting for archival; particularly the "you have scammed" accusation.

You know the first won't happen. Self moderated threads are self moderated and the OP may do so as they please; they've been there since the inception of the forum with "Local Rules".

This is not true. Scammers have been given "hidden scammer tags" in the past that prevent them from deleting posts in self moderated threads. The most recent example that comes to mind that I was able to get this applied to was TheGambler and his alts. I am unsure if Vod's most recent transgression is sufficient to earn him similar restrictions.

Yes, I have one. No, it won't; theymos won't really enact that in controversial cases.

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

[Vod]

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Oh yeah, let's do everything via PM.  Two proven scammers.  

[Quickseller]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

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edit: 20 BTC received

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

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http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

[Vod]

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http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

[ajareselde]

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http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

[erikalui]

So after Redsnow and Vod, who's next who shouldn't be on the DT trust list? Tomatocage might be soon a victim right?

You are actually making your own self appear as an immature person NOT willing to accept yourself out of he DT list and getting a negative rating (which I believe you deserve for lying).

Vod on the other hand has mostly left reasonable ratings (though sometimes I feel they are unfair) but he comes out to be a responsible member definitely more deserving than you. He and TC have been considerate while leaving ratings which makes them both deserving of the DT trust list.


You should infact apologize to the members whom you have acted as an escrow while dealing with them using your alts. By making them unaware of your alts and on top targetting other reputed members does make you look UNTRUSTWORTHY. If you continue trolling like this and targeting all reputed members here, I don't know how long will your journey with BCT last.


I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

[Vod]

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

He committed escrow scams by his own admission.  Therefore, by definition, he is a scammer.

No judge in the world would find me guilty of anything - but he is welcome to spend thousands to try.    

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

[ajareselde]

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

He committed escrow scams by his own admission.  Therefore, by definition, he is a scammer.

No judge in the world would find me guilty of anything - but he is welcome to spend thousands to try.    

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

That's what i'm saying. All you need to get cleared of any forum trust related charge is to prove that to your best knowlegde and belief he (or anyone else for that matter) was scamming.
The forum is liable for the rest due to this quote "...or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer." as you acted by the guidelines forum provided.

This is how legal system is viewing things, so any legal action is futile imho.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Quickseller has always been slightly parasitical to the forum. It's in his nature.

[Omikifuse]

Funny see QS and TF teaming to sue Vod while their own identities remain unknown for everyone. Anyone can find Vod's identity with some research. Will be fun see what the court will think about QS's acts and his identity known to everyone, if he really decides to sue Vod.

 

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

Trust scam, just like Maidak did. But probably thinking about stealing maybe 1000s of BTC instead of just some 1000s of dollars.That's was my thought after the scam acusation thread against him

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http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

Not a good assumption. There are rumors that the true TF sold his account, and QS was very insistent about buying TF's account in the past.

And both of them are good at hiding their internet and blockchain tracks, as it has already proven, so there is no way to know if they both know each other, share the same account right now, or even have been the same person since the beginning

[ajareselde]

Funny see QS and TF teaming to sue Vod while their own identities remain unknown for everyone. Anyone can find Vod's identity with some research. Will be fun see what the court will think about QS's acts and his identity known to everyone, if he really decides to sue Vod.

 

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

Trust scam, just like Maidak did. But probably thinking about stealing maybe 1000s of BTC instead of just some 1000s of dollars.That's was my thought after the scam acusation thread against him

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sent.

http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

Not a good assumption. There are rumors that the true TF sold his account, and QS was very insistent about buying TF's account in the past.

And both of them are good at hiding their internet and blockchain tracks, as it has already proven, so there is no way to know if they both know each other, share the same account right now, or even have been the same person since the beginning

Please do note that i have intentionally written "If we assume.." and not that "I assume.." 
Having both accounts in ownership would be a neat way to build up trust as it would virtually show people that you can be trusted with 20btc, where in fact no move of funds would actually happen.
To be clear, i don't really care about this QS vs Vod conflict, as i don't consider QS to be a scammer and also that Vod is just acting in his belief on the other hand.

I wonder what will happen next ..

[erikalui]

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

Or may be he did that so that almost all his accounts would get on the DT trust list and he would sell all of hem. We had a debate earlier when I said that selling DT accounts is unethical and he argued saying people who are in need of money would do it and it's justified. He also claims that all people who criticize him are scammers for sure (he said earlier 95% people who criticize me are scammers) and when anyone talks about his shady trades, he goes about abusing them and starts opening threads like these. The only thing bothering him is MONEY and those SHINY COINS he could have earned had he been on the DT list (along with the ESCROW fee).

QS goes about doing all unethical things and then claims to take about ethics. Now that he's out of the DT list, he just can't bear it but go about searching for reputed members and get them off as well  LOL

[redsn0w]

I feel bad at times that your this behavior has made you lose all the reputation your earned as you had been really good in catching scammers and their alts. If only you hadn't made such mistakes, you would have helped his community a lot.

I believe his motive all along was to gain trust and scam as much as he could at one time from all his alts - then disappear.

Or may be he did that so that almost all his accounts would get on the DT trust list and he would sell all of hem. We had a debate earlier when I said that selling DT accounts is unethical and he argued saying people who are in need of money would do it and it's justified. He also claims that all people who criticize him are scammers for sure (he said earlier 95% people who criticize me are scammers) and when anyone talks about his shady trades, he goes about abusing them and starts opening threads like these. The only thing bothering him is MONEY and those SHINY COINS he could have earned had he been on the DT list (along with the ESCROW fee).

QS goes about doing all unethical things and then claims to take about ethics. Now that he's out of the DT list, he just can't bear it but go about searching for reputed members and get them off as well  LOL

Exact, he is not honest (or at least he was never honest). Now he thinks that I sold my forum account  , @Quickseller take a hiatus.

[Vod]

He also claims that all people who criticize him are scammers for sure (he said earlier 95% people who criticize me are scammers)

No way he would say that.... he's "taking me to court" for calling him a scammer!   

And an idiot
And a liar
And a coward
And now a hypocrite

[Lauda]

So the saga continues? This situation is getting out of hand. It was first people against QS and potentially Wardick (thread title), and now it has turned to QS teaming up with TF vs Vod.

No way he would say that.... he's "taking me to court" for calling him a scammer!   

And an idiot
And a liar
And a coward
And now a hypocrite

Honestly, if he did sue you (revealing any identity) it would be worse for him. Considering all he has done and all the "names" that he has called you, the chances of him achieving anything are slim.
Tl; dr; (whole thread) People just need to stop hunting each other over DT.

[Blazed]

I think that DT = Drama Target these days! I am almost nervous being on the Drama list anymore

[tarsua]

I think you will need more than 20BTC to buy back your trust
I see your plan, get vod removed from DT and sue him, then go after everyone else to retract their feedback,
And if you sue vod you will lose, your identity will be released and all the people you pissed off will be after you
but good luck

[Reynaldo]

Why dont we make a Drama Rating? I keep lurking meta from time to time, just saw that Vod is back and there are 3-4 posts already about issues with Vod.. I do like what Vod does but cmon guys this shit is just getting out of control.

[Brad Harrison]

best thread ever, should be required reading. can we sticky it?

1+ for the sticky, this is going to be pure entertainment for the next couple of months, I believe Vod is also from Canada

[Vod]

best thread ever, should be required reading. can we sticky it?

1+ for the sticky, this is going to be pure entertainment for the next couple of months, I believe Vod is also from Canada

I am!  Edmonton, Alberta

My identity is no secret.

[achow101]

best thread ever, should be required reading. can we sticky it?

1+ for the sticky, this is going to be pure entertainment for the next couple of months, I believe Vod is also from Canada

I am!  Edmonton, Alberta

My identity is no secret.

But QS's identity is secret, and he has previously stated that he wants to keep it that way. So, if he actually decides to sue you, wouldn't his identity be revealed? And since he doesn't want his identity revealed, he won't actually sue you?

[onemorexmr]

best thread ever, should be required reading. can we sticky it?

1+ for the sticky, this is going to be pure entertainment for the next couple of months, I believe Vod is also from Canada

I am!  Edmonton, Alberta

My identity is no secret.

But QS's identity is secret, and he has previously stated that he wants to keep it that way. So, if he actually decides to sue you, wouldn't his identity be revealed? And since he doesn't want his identity revealed, he won't actually sue you?

maybe he is using an alt to sue?

[Vod]

best thread ever, should be required reading. can we sticky it?

1+ for the sticky, this is going to be pure entertainment for the next couple of months, I believe Vod is also from Canada

I am!  Edmonton, Alberta

My identity is no secret.

But QS's identity is secret, and he has previously stated that he wants to keep it that way. So, if he actually decides to sue you, wouldn't his identity be revealed? And since he doesn't want his identity revealed, he won't actually sue you?

In Canada I have the right to know my accuser, so yes, I would probably get his identity.  

But it's a moot point.  He has nothing to stand on, and he won't be suing anybody.  

[achow101]

In Canada I have the right to know my accuser, so yes, I would probably get his identity.  

But it's a moot point.  He has nothing to stand on, and he won't be suing anybody.  

If he doesn't sue, then what is going to happen to the 20 BTC that TF gave him? Since the BTC was specifically for the use in a lawsuit against you, then if no suit happens and the BTC isn't returned, QS would then be scamming, right?

[jonald_fyookball]

 He has nothing to stand on, and he won't be suing anybody.  

ya think?  

[Brad Harrison]

Here is some information I found which might be useful for QS

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255#comment_1

Vod do you still work at https://www.servus.ca/Pages/default.aspx

Ah, the old anonymous ripoffreport.  

Nope, I don't work for Servus.  I am retired.

Things on the internet always come back to haunt you

[Vod]

Here is some information I found which might be useful for QS

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255#comment_1

Vod do you still work at https://www.servus.ca/Pages/default.aspx

Ah, the old anonymous ripoffreport.  

Nope, I don't work for Servus.  I am retired.

Things on the internet always come back to haunt you

Yeah, but what can you do?  It's a web site that allows anonymous submissions, then charges you $2,000 to have it removed.  Not going to give them a dime.

I'm not too worried about it.

[tarsua]

Here is some information I found which might be useful for QS

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255#comment_1

Vod do you still work at https://www.servus.ca/Pages/default.aspx

Ah, the old anonymous ripoffreport.  

Nope, I don't work for Servus.  I am retired.

Things on the internet always come back to haunt you

Yeah, but what can you do?  It's a web site that allows anonymous submissions, then charges you $2,000 to have it removed.  Not going to give them a dime.

I'm not too worried about it.

Well there is a chance that you can sue them, unlike quickseller you have ground to stand on, you can also find out who rote it and sue them

[jonald_fyookball]

Here is some information I found which might be useful for QS

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Martin-Lawrence/Select-StateProvince/Martin-Lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-St-Albert-Edmonton-St-Albert-Alberta-1158255#comment_1

Vod do you still work at https://www.servus.ca/Pages/default.aspx

Ah, the old anonymous ripoffreport.  

Nope, I don't work for Servus.  I am retired.

Things on the internet always come back to haunt you

This isn't the first time Vod is attacked.
He's had death threats.  Somehow I don't
think he's shaking in his boots here.

If you want to see some juicy drama, go
back and read the evershawn threads.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877184.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704289.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704289.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710658.0

[Brad Harrison]

If this is true then you are a pedophile Vod

[Vod]

If this is true then you are a pedophile Vod

I'd agree with you - I'd be a disgusting pig of a human who doesn't deserve to live.  

Fortunately, it's just the delusions of a long gone scammer who probably doesn't even remember the story he made up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877184.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704289.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704289.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710658.0

Ah, the memories.  But I don't miss those days at all.

[zeraTunerse]

wtf is going all over the forum !!
is it true that TF  sent 20+ btcs to rip off vod , or TF is alt of QS , as far as i know (no offense )these guys don't have jobs and they are online here for 24 hours ripping signature campaigns for payouts demanding signature campaigns for special contacts and they do say to them"i am a good poster here and i deserve to get a higher payout , you can check my repo on this forum"
Although i am not jealous of anyone of them , but i do feel VOD is right at this point of instant.
QS you need to improve that's why you are not able to become a mod , i remember i once see someone vouched for you to become a mod , i even replied to that but soon deleted , i suspect that it was your alt , trying to show off.
note: All the texts above Were just Emotions , You dont Need to Reply and You cAN Carry on your Stuffs.

[Shadow_Runner]

I think you will need more than 20BTC to buy back your trust
I see your plan, get vod removed from DT and sue him, then go after everyone else to retract their feedback,
And if you sue vod you will lose, your identity will be released and all the people you pissed off will be after you
but good luck

It won't take until court. Every second QS isn't on QS she is loggin into alts and even made some new accounts. She is staying right in the open.

[Sourgummies]

Vod is attempting to create an unlimited and unconsented liability by offering refunds for those who have rendered services from me.

To be clear, your liability only extends to those you escrow scammed.   I've asked for a link for each request, so the community will easily be able to see if you scammed them, or if you properly used a third party escrow.

You could make this easier on everyone by providing a list of those you have scammed, so they can ask for the refund you have promised.

This is untrue. You had stated that anyone who had used my escrow services in the past is entitled to a refund which is not true, nor is just. There is zero reason why someone who has services rendered should receive any kind of monitory refund when they have received a direct benefit.

I attempted to make this clear on the thread you posted, however you promptly deleted my post, making it necessary for it to be appropriate that you be further prevented from deleting any posts in any self moderated thread you have created in the past or any that you create in the future.

Your use of the word "scammed" is inappropriate, inaccurate, is libel and is evidence that you are not capable of engaging in any kind of conversation based on the merits of a dispute. If you cannot discuss the merits of a trust rating then why should users see your trust ratings by default? I have seen many people who were effectively forced out of the community because of your actions, and while the ratings in question may or may not have been appropriate, it is absolutely not appropriate to remove someone from the community solely because you feel they have scammed, or that they have attempted to scam, especially if they are not attempting to engage in business. 

Did I miss where its a benefit to pay a fake escrow fee to transact a deal with Quickseller?

As for this so called lawsuit,its going to be hard to get anywhere when Quickseller himself takes part frequently in accusation threads against his competition.
For example the current RedSn0w thread in this forum. Lacks any details but still sits for all to read.

[TheButterZone]

In Canada I have the right to know my accuser, so yes, I would probably get his identity. 

But it's a moot point.  He has nothing to stand on, and he won't be suing anybody. 

If he doesn't sue, then what is going to happen to the 20 BTC that TF gave him? Since the BTC was specifically for the use in a lawsuit against you, then if no suit happens and the BTC isn't returned, QS would then be scamming, right?

QS can staart an internet court (IRC chan or a self-mod thread on bitcointalk), and pay himself to be the judge. and 12 members of the jury, because there's no reason why the judge and the jury can't all be the same person.  and hire a dream team of attorneys (also all him/herself).
TL;DR: I see no problem.

Yep, the defender of the indefensible should see no problem with a kangaroo court, just as a kangaroo excrow.

[dadice]

Furthermore Vod is either unwilling, unable, or both to engage in any kind of factual based discussion regarding the merits of any kind of dispute, but instead wishes to use "buzzwords" such as "lie" and "scammer" when responding to a fact based argument. As a result of this, it is nearly impossible to engage any kind of debate with him, and this is evidence that once he "makes up his mind" that he is unwilling to listen to any additional facts.

That rather sounds to me like yourself  This is exactly how you are usually acting!

[dadice]

You know the first won't happen. Self moderated threads are self moderated and the OP may do so as they please; they've been there since the inception of the forum with "Local Rules".

I agree that Vod should certainly be removed from DefaultTrust. His remarks disparaging you as a scammer could fall under Canadian defamatory law; given the business activities you conduct on bitcointalk and the damages Vod's remarks could have on you, you might be interested in pursing civil action. And you'll get justice on Vod.

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

Look how two scammers work together.... Are the 20 btc from the stolen loot, TradeFortress? Funny to use stolen funds for a civil lawsuit 

[dadice]

If we assume that QS and TF don't know each other, and how this is really going to legal witch hunt of Vod; i have to ask: How much do you have to hate someone to give
4600 USD just to cause him inconvenience at best ?

Well, it is stolen money - TF doesn't care so much about it.

[dadice]

I think you will need more than 20BTC to buy back your trust
I see your plan, get vod removed from DT and sue him, then go after everyone else to retract their feedback,
And if you sue vod you will lose, your identity will be released and all the people you pissed off will be after you
but good luck

Nah, QS will never sue anybody. Would be like digging his own grave, if he did so......

[zeraTunerse]

I think you will need more than 20BTC to buy back your trust
I see your plan, get vod removed from DT and sue him, then go after everyone else to retract their feedback,
And if you sue vod you will lose, your identity will be released and all the people you pissed off will be after you
but good luck

Nah, QS will never sue anybody. Would be like digging his own grave, if he did so......

Its not pretty Much shocking that dadice dice site is taking much interest in QS Repo , i guess the reason is obvious , anyways is the site still under the original owner control or has been Auctioned.
I really missed all the giveaways from Dadice and Hope they will comeback here with their Campaigns.

[dadice]

I think you will need more than 20BTC to buy back your trust
I see your plan, get vod removed from DT and sue him, then go after everyone else to retract their feedback,
And if you sue vod you will lose, your identity will be released and all the people you pissed off will be after you
but good luck

Nah, QS will never sue anybody. Would be like digging his own grave, if he did so......

Its not pretty Much shocking that dadice dice site is taking much interest in QS Repo , i guess the reason is obvious , anyways is the site still under the original owner control or has been Auctioned.
I really missed all the giveaways from Dadice and Hope they will comeback here with their Campaigns.

Well, it is obviously off topic to discuss that here, but since you are asking, the site has been sold. We are currently in a transitional period. And yes, the reason I am participating here is obvious, since we are a victim of QS ourselves. But - that is not the topic here. Finally, it is a matter of fact that QS is a scammer and there is no proof at all that dadice ever scammed anybody!

[ajareselde]

Finally, it is a matter of fact that QS is a scammer and there is no proof at all that dadice ever scammed anybody!

What he did was unethical, but i wouldn't call it scamming. And i can't say that you scammed per say in that prediction giveaway, but it certainly wasn't ethical either, so please don't act all high.

... predict on what day you think the 750,000,000th roll will happen...

My prediction

24th of august 2015
1MZvjgQFQdAUUx5n6Prxw4oGuRycVmaZYR

cheers

And 750,000,000th roll did fall on 24th, but you refused to pay me due to downtime which was your fault alone.


Not to mention that you obviously have personal reasons, since QS left you -ive , so your "opinion" is obviously bias. Sighs..

cheers

[dadice]

Finally, it is a matter of fact that QS is a scammer and there is no proof at all that dadice ever scammed anybody!

What he did was unethical, but i wouldn't call it scamming. And i can't say that you scammed per say in that prediction giveaway, but it certainly wasn't ethical either, so please don't act all high.

... predict on what day you think the 750,000,000th roll will happen...

My prediction

24th of august 2015
1MZvjgQFQdAUUx5n6Prxw4oGuRycVmaZYR

cheers

And 750,000,000th roll did fall on 24th, but you refused to pay me due to downtime which was your fault alone.


Not to mention that you obviously have personal reasons, since QS left you -ive , so your "opinion" is obviously bias. Sighs..

cheers

Again off topic -- this issue was discussed with the community and they agreed to it to be fair. Secondly, a predictor was indeed paid and the tx id was posted. Thirdly, this roll prediction was not even criticised by QS, so I am not referring to it.

Finally, I have offered you to donate 0.1 to any btc address you are posting - so far nothing has been posted.

[Fortify]

Finally, it is a matter of fact that QS is a scammer and there is no proof at all that dadice ever scammed anybody!

What he did was unethical, but i wouldn't call it scamming. And i can't say that you scammed per say in that prediction giveaway, but it certainly wasn't ethical either, so please don't act all high.

... predict on what day you think the 750,000,000th roll will happen...

My prediction

24th of august 2015
1MZvjgQFQdAUUx5n6Prxw4oGuRycVmaZYR

cheers

And 750,000,000th roll did fall on 24th, but you refused to pay me due to downtime which was your fault alone.


Not to mention that you obviously have personal reasons, since QS left you -ive , so your "opinion" is obviously bias. Sighs..

cheers

Every escrow I have seen here has been in return for a fixed fee or small percentage of the deal price. I suspect that to be the case with QS trades, in which case he was charging extra for no extra benefit to the buyer. That would be a scam, QS might not have stolen the full amount, but they were overcharging while pretending to be an impartial third party service.

[Carpeaux]

Finally, it is a matter of fact that QS is a scammer and there is no proof at all that dadice ever scammed anybody!

What he did was unethical, but i wouldn't call it scamming. And i can't say that you scammed per say in that prediction giveaway, but it certainly wasn't ethical either, so please don't act all high.

... predict on what day you think the 750,000,000th roll will happen...

My prediction

24th of august 2015
1MZvjgQFQdAUUx5n6Prxw4oGuRycVmaZYR

cheers

And 750,000,000th roll did fall on 24th, but you refused to pay me due to downtime which was your fault alone.


Not to mention that you obviously have personal reasons, since QS left you -ive , so your "opinion" is obviously bias. Sighs..

cheers

Every escrow I have seen here has been in return for a fixed fee or small percentage of the deal price. I suspect that to be the case with QS trades, in which case he was charging extra for no extra benefit to the buyer. That would be a scam, QS might not have stolen the full amount, but they were overcharging while pretending to be an impartial third party service.

QS had big fees, I think min{1%, 10mBTC} was the standard, and bigger fees would apply to special deals(signature escrow, multiparts deals, etc...)

And of course he accepted tips.

He never escrowed for free

[BayAreaCoins]

sent.

sent.

http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

Hilarious... absolutely hilarious.

[jonald_fyookball]

sent.

sent.

http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

Hilarious... absolutely hilarious.

assuming TF isn't QS of course, QS will hire a lawyer, probably be told he doesn't have much of a case, but he will have the lawyer tried to threaten and settle with Vod, which Vod won't do.  The case will never go to court.

[Quickseller]

Vod on the other hand has mostly left reasonable ratings (though sometimes I feel they are unfair) but he comes out to be a responsible member definitely more deserving than you. He and TC have been considerate while leaving ratings which makes them both deserving of the DT trust list.

You should take a look at a few of the threads created about Vod. He has a history of trolling those who he does not agree with. If you look at his recent post history you can see just how reasonable he can be when someone is trying to discuss a rating with him. You will also see how he responds to factual arguments.

You should infact apologize to the members whom you have acted as an escrow while dealing with them using your alts.

This was done a long time ago - nearly a week. Both of these people told me they did not feel it was a scam, and neither of them said they had any hard feelings.

If he doesn't sue, then what is going to happen to the 20 BTC that TF gave him? Since the BTC was specifically for the use in a lawsuit against you, then if no suit happens and the BTC isn't returned, QS would then be scamming, right?

I was given an address to return any excess/unused funds that are not used as of the new year (this is however off topic). With that being said, I do not wish to commence any kind of legal action against anyone, my wish is that my reputation cease being damaged by lies.

This is not the first time that Vod has gone around trolling someone who he did not agree with, and this is not the first time that he left a rating because he did not agree with what they were saying. In fact, several months ago, I took an account with negative trust from Vod as collateral for a loan, the borrower defaulted, and this is what happened when Vod was asked by the person who purchased the account from me to remove the negative trust:

Could you quote this as well? Didn't sign the message in time before you quoted my quote :/
Signed with address used for payment, 1NYANiqHHcTHi8XiFiWxiQfBxoyC9DjJq.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I, Injust of Bitcoin Forum, confirm that I have paid 0.15 BTC to Bitcoin Forum user "Quickseller" in TXID 027fb3debbcdbd49e3a2de372ac76f73e8bffb05efa094c0a946317732548cdb for the possession of Bitcoin Forum account "Bobolini" and therefore own the account as of October 17, 2014 at 1:00 AM UTC.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1NYANiqHHcTHi8XiFiWxiQfBxoyC9DjJq
HHK1K/WX0FVtvbWXv78SGLYPIZxT34GI1rTSSPs88dfsXohr3N9+s+j3WKIPR/W88vpxT2ceQ0Wr1aeGcqDRXZE=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

EDIT: Correct, I sold the above account with negative/red trust

Removed negative trust.

I then received the following PM not a long time later:

Also, I'm legitimately sorry that I was able to remove the negative trust, and if you feel that because of this, that I ripped you off, please don't take it personally. I bought the account without knowing that I could remove the negative trust, and I would have been perfectly happy with the negative trust on there. I just saw the opportunity and grabbed it.
Sorry if I offended you.

I do not accept your apology because one is not necessary.

I was able to "buy" the account via loaning it's prior owner .1 BTC for a week and guess what, they didn't pay back, I made over .01 from it's signature while it was in my possession and .05 from the sale, and this was with virtually no work.

If you feel like you ripped me off then you are free to send any additional amount of bitcoin to the payment address not or in the future.

I didn't personally think that vod would have removed the negative trust, and I did think that he would have neg trusted you if he found out that you bought an account, but I was incorrect on both.

I knew very well what your intentions were (to try to get the neg trust removed), and although I am surprised as to how quickly you were able to achieve this, I do think it was a fair deal.

I hope that you are able to do something useful and productive with your new account.

Just thought you might want to know, Vod's explanation for why he quickly agreed to remove the negative trust was that

It was a personal opinion on him, and you are not him.

Glad that we are on good terms. If I have to purchase any accounts in the future, I'll contact you first
Leaving positive trust for you.

So according to the above PM that I received, Vod had left a negative rating because of a personal opinion.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

This was done a long time ago - nearly a week. 

[Vod]

I was given an address to return any excess/unused funds that are not used as of the new year (this is however off topic). With that being said, I do not wish to commence any kind of legal action against anyone, my wish is that my reputation cease being damaged by lies.

I've never once lied about you.

You are a liar, a thief, a scam artist, a troll, and an idiot.

Bring on the "legal action", fool.    I will continue to warn the forum about you and your personal attacks on me.

[Sourgummies]

Vod on the other hand has mostly left reasonable ratings (though sometimes I feel they are unfair) but he comes out to be a responsible member definitely more deserving than you. He and TC have been considerate while leaving ratings which makes them both deserving of the DT trust list.

You should take a look at a few of the threads created about Vod. He has a history of trolling those who he does not agree with. If you look at his recent post history you can see just how reasonable he can be when someone is trying to discuss a rating with him. You will also see how he responds to factual arguments.

You should infact apologize to the members whom you have acted as an escrow while dealing with them using your alts.

This was done a long time ago - nearly a week. Both of these people told me they did not feel it was a scam, and neither of them said they had any hard feelings.

If he doesn't sue, then what is going to happen to the 20 BTC that TF gave him? Since the BTC was specifically for the use in a lawsuit against you, then if no suit happens and the BTC isn't returned, QS would then be scamming, right?

I was given an address to return any excess/unused funds that are not used as of the new year (this is however off topic). With that being said, I do not wish to commence any kind of legal action against anyone, my wish is that my reputation cease being damaged by lies.

This is not the first time that Vod has gone around trolling someone who he did not agree with, and this is not the first time that he left a rating because he did not agree with what they were saying. In fact, several months ago, I took an account with negative trust from Vod as collateral for a loan, the borrower defaulted, and this is what happened when Vod was asked by the person who purchased the account from me to remove the negative trust:

Could you quote this as well? Didn't sign the message in time before you quoted my quote :/
Signed with address used for payment, 1NYANiqHHcTHi8XiFiWxiQfBxoyC9DjJq.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I, Injust of Bitcoin Forum, confirm that I have paid 0.15 BTC to Bitcoin Forum user "Quickseller" in TXID 027fb3debbcdbd49e3a2de372ac76f73e8bffb05efa094c0a946317732548cdb for the possession of Bitcoin Forum account "Bobolini" and therefore own the account as of October 17, 2014 at 1:00 AM UTC.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1NYANiqHHcTHi8XiFiWxiQfBxoyC9DjJq
HHK1K/WX0FVtvbWXv78SGLYPIZxT34GI1rTSSPs88dfsXohr3N9+s+j3WKIPR/W88vpxT2ceQ0Wr1aeGcqDRXZE=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

EDIT: Correct, I sold the above account with negative/red trust

Removed negative trust.

I then received the following PM not a long time later:

Also, I'm legitimately sorry that I was able to remove the negative trust, and if you feel that because of this, that I ripped you off, please don't take it personally. I bought the account without knowing that I could remove the negative trust, and I would have been perfectly happy with the negative trust on there. I just saw the opportunity and grabbed it.
Sorry if I offended you.

I do not accept your apology because one is not necessary.

I was able to "buy" the account via loaning it's prior owner .1 BTC for a week and guess what, they didn't pay back, I made over .01 from it's signature while it was in my possession and .05 from the sale, and this was with virtually no work.

If you feel like you ripped me off then you are free to send any additional amount of bitcoin to the payment address not or in the future.

I didn't personally think that vod would have removed the negative trust, and I did think that he would have neg trusted you if he found out that you bought an account, but I was incorrect on both.

I knew very well what your intentions were (to try to get the neg trust removed), and although I am surprised as to how quickly you were able to achieve this, I do think it was a fair deal.

I hope that you are able to do something useful and productive with your new account.

Just thought you might want to know, Vod's explanation for why he quickly agreed to remove the negative trust was that

It was a personal opinion on him, and you are not him.

Glad that we are on good terms. If I have to purchase any accounts in the future, I'll contact you first
Leaving positive trust for you.

So according to the above PM that I received, Vod had left a negative rating because of a personal opinion.

So because he is not willing to go into details you jump to conclusion that something is awry.
Is this really how you went about outing scammers? I mean how many people where sullied to this kind of thinking!

Lets keep this on track and about you and stop dragging horses in here to flog and confuse the issue.

[Quickseller]

So because he is not willing to go into details you jump to conclusion that something is awry.
Is this really how you went about outing scammers? I mean how many people where sullied to this kind of thinking!

Lets keep this on track and about you and stop dragging horses in here to flog and confuse the issue.

No. He is presented with facts (as he was above), and all he responds with is buzzwords like "scammer" and "thief" and refuses to counter any of my arguments.

Look at his trust rating when viewed from various depths with only DefaultTrust on your trust list:
Depth 2:
155: -0 / +16
Depth 3:     
: -2 / +22
Depth 4:
-102: -7 / +26

When looking at Depth 3 the following users left him the following trust:
Fakhoury

Another "Hater" as usual, haters gonna hate more and more.

SavellM

Vod is an egotistical nightmare.
He thinks he rules these forums and thinks he is doing the world a favour by routing out all scam. I agree he does well with most but then he pounces on the innocent WAY too hard.
He makes coming back to this forum a chore and not somewhere to get good advice.

Vod continues his reign of terror. I did not ask for a loan here I did not mention it to anyone here for 2btc. Yet Vod believes he can control what I do on other sites. I did promise I wouldn't ask here and I didn't ask. Vod now goes further on his own. Without even giving me the chance to pay it back as I will... Ease up

When looking at Depth 4 the following users left him the following trust (those shown above are not duplicated):
subwoofer12

Vod loves to post negative feedback on others profiles without any basis. Abuses the trust system and makes false accusations.

Darkmatter12

   I dont sell keys you dumbfuck, I sell msdn admin account and if any of my admin account gets banned it will be because the buyer is exploiting the account by taking 100 of keys per day which they are not supposed to, stop hating on others. Go get a life.

MarkCara

Failed accusation, possibly from competitor.

RoSeawolf

Scam accusation against this individual.

printshop

Left negative feedback for rupture for literally no reason (check the reference, seriously).

Vod is overzealous in his pursuit of scammers. In my case he left negative feedback without really understanding what I was here for or talking to me. He refused to discuss my case before he left his feedback. Unsupported by fact, he has damaged my reputation, made it difficult for me to transact business here, and caused me financial damage by making it difficult to get a loan I really needed. I wish I never got involved with him. See reference. AVOID.

[Shadow_Runner]

So because he is not willing to go into details you jump to conclusion that something is awry.
Is this really how you went about outing scammers? I mean how many people where sullied to this kind of thinking!

Lets keep this on track and about you and stop dragging horses in here to flog and confuse the issue.

No. He is presented with facts (as he was above), and all he responds with is buzzwords like "scammer" and "thief" and refuses to counter any of my arguments.

Look at his trust rating when viewed from various depths with only DefaultTrust on your trust list:
Depth 2:
155: -0 / +16
Depth 3:     
: -2 / +22
Depth 4:
-102: -7 / +26

When looking at Depth 3 the following users left him the following trust:
Fakhoury

Another "Hater" as usual, haters gonna hate more and more.

SavellM

Vod is an egotistical nightmare.
He thinks he rules these forums and thinks he is doing the world a favour by routing out all scam. I agree he does well with most but then he pounces on the innocent WAY too hard.
He makes coming back to this forum a chore and not somewhere to get good advice.

Vod continues his reign of terror. I did not ask for a loan here I did not mention it to anyone here for 2btc. Yet Vod believes he can control what I do on other sites. I did promise I wouldn't ask here and I didn't ask. Vod now goes further on his own. Without even giving me the chance to pay it back as I will... Ease up

When looking at Depth 4 the following users left him the following trust (those shown above are not duplicated):
subwoofer12

Vod loves to post negative feedback on others profiles without any basis. Abuses the trust system and makes false accusations.

Darkmatter12

   I dont sell keys you dumbfuck, I sell msdn admin account and if any of my admin account gets banned it will be because the buyer is exploiting the account by taking 100 of keys per day which they are not supposed to, stop hating on others. Go get a life.

MarkCara

Failed accusation, possibly from competitor.

RoSeawolf

Scam accusation against this individual.

printshop

Left negative feedback for rupture for literally no reason (check the reference, seriously).

Vod is overzealous in his pursuit of scammers. In my case he left negative feedback without really understanding what I was here for or talking to me. He refused to discuss my case before he left his feedback. Unsupported by fact, he has damaged my reputation, made it difficult for me to transact business here, and caused me financial damage by making it difficult to get a loan I really needed. I wish I never got involved with him. See reference. AVOID.

Here's A buzzword for you. North Carolina.

[Vod]

QuickScammer, regarding your request to have Vod removed from DT (and the other BS):

[Quickseller]

I have received a few PM's from people showing support, giving tips, and mostly specifically asking to stay anon.

This particular person did not specifically ask to stay anon, however I will keep him anon, unless he wants to identify himself:

Vod might change his stance on the matter if [redacted]

He is a loose canon, last time the Bear tried to reason with him he went bananas and left a positive feedback on Techshare! For now Vod understands not to bite the hand which feeds him and best to leave it so.

[jonald_fyookball]

I have received a few PM's from people showing support, giving tips, and mostly specifically asking to stay anon.

This particular person did not specifically ask to stay anon, however I will keep him anon, unless he wants to identify himself:

Vod might change his stance on the matter if [redacted]

He is a loose canon, last time the Bear tried to reason with him he went bananas and left a positive feedback on Techshare! For now Vod understands not to bite the hand which feeds him and best to leave it so.

For the record, tecshare is a freakin DELUSIONAL MORON who pathetically tried to defend the obvious scammer woodcollector.

[Shadow_Runner]

I have received a few PM's from people showing support, giving tips, and mostly specifically asking to stay anon.

This particular person did not specifically ask to stay anon, however I will keep him anon, unless he wants to identify himself:

Vod might change his stance on the matter if [redacted]

He is a loose canon, last time the Bear tried to reason with him he went bananas and left a positive feedback on Techshare! For now Vod understands not to bite the hand which feeds him and best to leave it so.

Here's another one: SEing the post office to give up the name of whoever signed up for the PO box. Read up on how easy that is. And how you should ship packages.

Going to keep pissing me off Quickseller? 

[Quickseller]

I have received a few PM's from people showing support, giving tips, and mostly specifically asking to stay anon.

This particular person did not specifically ask to stay anon, however I will keep him anon, unless he wants to identify himself:

Vod might change his stance on the matter if [redacted]

He is a loose canon, last time the Bear tried to reason with him he went bananas and left a positive feedback on Techshare! For now Vod understands not to bite the hand which feeds him and best to leave it so.

For the record, tecshare is a freakin DELUSIONAL MORON who pathetically tried to defend the obvious scammer woodcollector.

I can't say that I am disagreeing with you. I am just reporting what was reported to me about the current behavior of the current person who it is appropriate to have removed from DT.

[Vod]

I have received a few PM's from people showing support, giving tips, and mostly specifically asking to stay anon.

Good for you, liar!



I've received a few pages of PMs from people. 

[Quickseller]

QuickScammer, regarding your request to have Vod removed from DT (and the other BS):

Oh the irony of this post

I think that he needs to have a very stern talking to, and really should get removed from DT.

Not now, currently he is being seen as the guy fighting the good fight against the evil Quickscammer. As I said sooner or later a time will come for him to find himself outside the list, but not now.

Regardless, how many people need to be excluded from the community because of Vod's actions before he can stop using his power to coerce others into doing as what he wants?

Vod is not even attempting to respond to any concern that is presented, yet instead he is trolling (as he almost always does) whenever someone has a concern about his actions.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Yep, Vod should certainly be banned for trolling. He's worse than Matthew N Wright.

[Vod]

Regardless, how many people need to be excluded from the community because of Vod's actions before he can stop using his power to coerce others into doing as what he wants?

No one has been excluded from the community because of me.

You said you were taking a hiatus.  Another lie, remember? 

[Quickseller]

Regardless, how many people need to be excluded from the community because of Vod's actions before he can stop using his power to coerce others into doing as what he wants?

No one has been excluded from the community because of me.

Dank was banned because his posts would always derail threads, however you were always the one who would make the first off-topic post, he just didn't know how to handle your posts.

Many people have clearly left the community because of your trolling against them. To quote one of the trust ratings left on Vod's profile:

He makes coming back to this forum a chore and not somewhere to get good advice.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Regardless, how many people need to be excluded from the community because of Vod's actions before he can stop using his power to coerce others into doing as what he wants?

No one has been excluded from the community because of me.

You said you were taking a hiatus.  Another lie, remember? 

Oh, many have. evershawn is one that comes to mind.

"lie"? That's just bullshit emotionally charged fluff. I can copy you and say you're lying about that "no one has been excluded [...]". How does QS taking a hiatus matter in the slightest?

bla bla bla lie bla bla scammer bla bla.

[jonald_fyookball]

I am wondering if anybody cares about my opinion on this thread.

[Vod]

I am wondering if anybody cares about my opinion on this thread.

I think this thread is for Quickscammer's temper tantrum.   

[jonald_fyookball]

I am wondering if anybody cares about my opinion on this thread.

I think this thread is for Quickscammer's temper tantrum.   

Good summary.

[Shadow_Runner]

Quickseller since you don't want to respond to me on here and only want to PM.. What I want is you to leave the forum. You will still be doxxed but only to the extent you have already been. You already lost. Learn how to take that loss before its too substantial.

[Quickseller]

I am wondering if anybody cares about my opinion on this thread.

I think this thread is for Quickscammer's temper tantrum.   

Again you are ignoring all off my concerns and are instead resorting to childish namecalling and trolling.

You are attempting to derail this thread, and are attempting to prevent yourself from being held accountable for your actions.

[jonald_fyookball]

I am wondering if anybody cares about my opinion on this thread.

I think this thread is for Quickscammer's temper tantrum.   

Again you are ignoring all off my concerns and are instead resorting to childish namecalling and trolling.

You are attempting to derail this thread, and are attempting to prevent yourself from being held accountable for your actions.

hilarious.

[Vod]

Again you are ignoring all off my concerns and are instead resorting to childish namecalling and trolling.

You are attempting to derail this thread, and are attempting to prevent yourself from being held accountable for your actions.

This thread is nothing but a crybaby thread.

WAAAAAH  Vod made a self moderated thread!   Restore my posts!
WAAAAAH  Vod left me negative trust!  Remove him from DT!
WAAAAAH  Vod linked to Wikipedia!  It can be modified!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!   I NEED SPECIAL TREATMENT!

I am accountable for my actions.  Bring on your "lawsuit", liar.  

Can't be any more clear than that.  I'm calling your bluff.

[Shadow_Runner]

Quickseller since you don't want to respond to me on here and only want to PM.. What I want is you to leave the forum. You will still be doxxed but only to the extent you have already been. You already lost. Learn how to take that loss before its too substantial.

[Shadow_Runner]

I bolded it so you don't miss it this time


Edit: Leaving the forum means don't respond.

[ABitNut]

This is hilarious.

The funniest part of this whole saga is where the famous QuickSeller, investigator extraordinaire, is capable of digging up the details on just about everything. Yet they're unable to obtain the information on Vod - which is pretty much publicly available - to sue them.

Keep it up, QuickSeller. While it is already quite entertaining you're not close to the level of entertainment WoodCollector provided.

PS.
QuickSeller is a scammer.

[jonald_fyookball]

This is hilarious.

The funniest part of this whole saga is where the famous QuickSeller, investigator extraordinaire, is capable of digging up the details on just about everything. Yet they're unable to obtain the information on Vod - which is pretty much publicly available - to sue them.

Keep it up, QuickSeller. While it is already quite entertaining you're not close to the level of entertainment WoodCollector provided.

PS.
QuickSeller is a scammer.

I can't believe TF sent him 20 BTC. is this for freaking real??

[ausbit]

Been following this since it became public, very interesting.
I think im smart enough not to take sides in a debate like this, and trust me Im not smart at all  

[Quickseller]

I can't believe TF sent him 20 BTC. is this for freaking real??

Yes.

This is hilarious.

The funniest part of this whole saga is where the famous QuickSeller, investigator extraordinaire, is capable of digging up the details on just about everything. Yet they're unable to obtain the information on Vod - which is pretty much publicly available - to sue them.

Keep it up, QuickSeller. While it is already quite entertaining you're not close to the level of entertainment WoodCollector provided.

PS.
QuickSeller is a scammer.

He claims to have moved.

[Vod]

WAAAAAAH  He claims to have moved.

My mailing address is still the same, and on this forum.  

I'll give you a hint.  Box 93.

I can't believe TF sent him 20 BTC. is this for freaking real??

Yes.

Probably not.  TF is a scammer.  QS is a scammer.  Scammers lie.

[Quickseller]

WAAAAAAH  He claims to have moved.

My mailing address is still the same, and on this forum. 

I'll give you a hint.  Box 93.

If it comes down to it, then I would most likely ensure that you are personally served by a process server to ensure there are no claims of lack of service.

[Quickseller]

I can't believe TF sent him 20 BTC. is this for freaking real??

Yes.

Probably not.  TF is a scammer.  QS is a scammer.  Scammers lie.

How much are you willing to bet that I am in possession of 20BTC that has an output address listed above in the TXID that TF posted?

[worhiper_-_]

I just won't believe that TF sent Quickseller 20 bitcoins over this.

First of all, for all we know, he's anonymous and has strived to keep his anonymity. Going to curt over defamation would require him to forget about this.

Aside of the fact that such a case would be largely inefective and any money put on attorneys by Quickseller would be wasted. There's no case in the first place. Sure he's accusing Vod of defamation but then what? Even if he goes into the struggle to drag Vod into court for this shit there's no judge in this planet that would find him guilty over defaming an online persona in an online e-currency forum.

Either TF is cooperating with QS to troll or he just wasted a large sum of money.

[Shadow_Runner]

I can't believe TF sent him 20 BTC. is this for freaking real??

Yes.

Probably not.  TF is a scammer.  QS is a scammer.  Scammers lie.

How much are you willing to bet that I am in possession of 20BTC that has an output address listed above in the TXID that TF posted?

100 bitcoins won't stop you from getting doxed. Serving Vod will be the last of your worries. You don't live alone, you know you can't risk problems at that address. Learning how to shut up yet or is it going to take some action?

[jonald_fyookball]

I just won't believe that TF sent Quickseller 20 bitcoins over this.

--snip--
Either TF is cooperating with QS to troll

that is the most likely probability by far.

[Vod]

Quickscammer - I've asked you to stop posting in my self moderated Lending thread.

Spamming garbage over and over again just makes you look very immature.  I'll delete it as soon as I get notified, so don't bother.

Take a hint - you are not welcome there.

[Quickseller]

First of all, for all we know, he's anonymous and has strived to keep his anonymity. Going to curt over defamation would require him to forget about this.

There is no reason why such a case could not be sealed. Especially in a case where the question of personal safety is put into question. Are you implying that Vod may leak such personal information anyway to intimidate me against attempting to hold him accountable?

Aside of the fact that such a case would be largely inefective and any money put on attorneys by Quickseller would be wasted.

It is not my money. Any money I do not use (minus a certain stipulation) is to be returned to TF, so I am in a use it or loose it situation.

Regardless, as I mentioned previously, litigation is not something that I wish to pursue. It is only a last ditch effort to stop an injustice in the event that other avenues (eg having respectable people try to talk to him, try to get others to calm him down, ect) to have the damages caused by Vod's libel against me resolved.

[OBAViJEST]

Dear god why are people complaining about something that doesn't have any effect on them whatsoever?  Why waste your time bitching?   

[jonald_fyookball]

QS, forget Vod.  why not try to answer my airplane anology.

[Quickseller]

Dear god why are people complaining about something that doesn't have any effect on them whatsoever?  Why waste your time bitching?   

What are you talking about

If you bothered to read the OP you would see that Vod's actions have a direct negative effect against me.

Furthermore, Vod's constant trolling is preventing any meaningful discussion regarding my concerns.

[Vod]

Regardless, as I mentioned previously, litigation is not something that I wish to pursue. It is only a last ditch effort to stop an injustice in the event that other avenues (eg having respectable people try to talk to him, try to get others to calm him down, ect) to have the damages caused by Vod's libel against me resolved.

You know my mailing address.   Why not have your lawyer shoot off a cease and desist letter?  Much easier than litigation, and you were given the funds to do so.  

It's because you know I've never posted anything untrue about you and you have no case.

Lack of action will prove ME right.

WAAAAAH  Vod's constant trolling is preventing any meaningful discussion regarding my concerns.

That's libel.  Hurry up with your lawyer so I can counter sue your parent's asses into oblivion.   

[ausbit]

Lol, and here is the website where this will end up:
http://www.dumb-lawsuits.com/

[Shadow_Runner]

Regardless, as I mentioned previously, litigation is not something that I wish to pursue. It is only a last ditch effort to stop an injustice in the event that other avenues (eg having respectable people try to talk to him, try to get others to calm him down, ect) to have the damages caused by Vod's libel against me resolved.

You know my mailing address.   Why not have your lawyer shoot off a cease and desist letter?  Much easier than litigation, and you were given the funds to do so.  

It's because you know I've never posted anything untrue about you and you have no case.

Lack of action will prove ME right.

WAAAAAH  Vod's constant trolling is preventing any meaningful discussion regarding my concerns.

That's libel.  Hurry up with your lawyer so I can counter sue your parent's asses into oblivion.   

Lol

[TheButterZone]

IANAL but

[Shadow_Runner]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

[jonald_fyookball]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

explains a lot.

I also imagine the fake 20 BTC legal fund falls under the QS philosophy of justified dishonesty.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

fake 20 BTC legal fund

Already posted txid, silly lily pilly.

[TheButterZone]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

explains a lot.

I also imagine the fake 20 BTC legal fund falls under the QS philosophy of justified dishonesty.

It's not fake if Quickseller moves 20 BTC from one exclusively controlled private key to another.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

explains a lot.

I also imagine the fake 20 BTC legal fund falls under the QS philosophy of justified dishonesty.

It's not fake if Quickseller moves 20 BTC from one exclusively controlled private key to another.

That requires me being Quickseller, which obviously is not the case.

[worhiper_-_]

By all means QS, go ahead trying to pursue an outcome out of this case. I'd really like to see that happen.

But to believe that a judge would order the court to be closed only for you to protect your anonymity? Only in your dreams. And even if that happens, Vod has every right in this world to release information about what's also his case.

Do you really believe that neither of those could go wrong? I know you care about your anonymity very much. If you hope remaining anonymous but you're also willing to use the coins you received on such a case, you might as well return the money and quit trying right now because that just won't happen.

[Shadow_Runner]

By all means QS, go ahead trying to pursue an outcome out of this case. I'd really like to see that happen.

But to believe that a judge would order the court to be closed only for you to protect your anonymity? Only in your dreams. And even if that happens, Vod has every right in this world to release information about what's also his case.

Do you really believe that neither of those could go wrong? I know you care about your anonymity very much. If you hope remaining anonymous but you're also willing to use the coins you received on such a case, you might as well return the money and quit trying right now because that just won't happen.

No it's already to late I will have a public dox posted in a week and already have completed the marjority of it (name, address, parents)


edit: throw those 20 bitcoins my way and it won't make it onto the deep web

[ABitNut]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

explains a lot.

I also imagine the fake 20 BTC legal fund falls under the QS philosophy of justified dishonesty.

It's not fake if Quickseller moves 20 BTC from one exclusively controlled private key to another.

That requires me being Quickseller, which obviously is not the case.

It would be fun if you could sign a message from the bitcoin addresses used.

[Quickseller]

By all means QS, go ahead trying to pursue an outcome out of this case. I'd really like to see that happen.

But to believe that a judge would order the court to be closed only for you to protect your anonymity? Only in your dreams. And even if that happens, Vod has every right in this world to release information about what's also his case.

Do you really believe that neither of those could go wrong? I know you care about your anonymity very much. If you hope remaining anonymous but you're also willing to use the coins you received on such a case, you might as well return the money and quit trying right now because that just won't happen.

No it's already to late I will have a public dox posted in a week and already have completed the marjority of it (name, address, parents)


edit: throw those 20 bitcoins my way and it won't make it onto the deep web

LMAO. A number of people have asked about you, and it appears that I was right about you attempting to extort me. I just never would have guessed how horribly you would have failed

[Shadow_Runner]

No trust me I'm not extorting you you're getting doxxed no matter what. I was going to scam you along as dox you if you sent me money. Your going to get fucked over from this. Any money a kid can give me isn't worth giving up the opportunity to supply the dozens of people asking for your info with it. If you thought 1 edited post means I'm trying to extort you.. you are wrong.

You can see I haven't responded to the PM's you sent me trying to get this convo off the forum. You know what's coming.


Edit: If you can SE the name from the PO you can get the address that was on the ID used to sign up for the P.O box. I promise to everyone I will have a FULL dox posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

[TheButterZone]

Quickseller is too young to do anything but get robbed by a lawyer over in the US

explains a lot.

I also imagine the fake 20 BTC legal fund falls under the QS philosophy of justified dishonesty.

It's not fake if Quickseller moves 20 BTC from one exclusively controlled private key to another.

That requires me being Quickseller, which obviously is not the case.

It would be fun if you could sign a message from the bitcoin addresses used.

If one person controls the private keys to all the BTC addresses used, that person can sign messages from each of them as well and post those signed messages from as many BCT usernames as they control.

"obviously"? When it comes to ANY user that provably has alts (as opposed to me, having a hard enough time just keeping up with TheButterZone topics and business)...

[Quickseller]

I am not TF, (at least) one of the admins looked into this a long time ago and they have informed me they do not believe I am TF.

[Quickseller]

@Vod- what happened the last time The Bear tried to talk sense into you? Did you or did you not give *positive* trust to techshare

[Vod]

I am not TF, (at least) one of the admins looked into this a long time ago and they have informed me they do not believe I am TF.

Which admin, liar?

There is a possibility you are TF.  If you live in Canada, you are fucked.

[Quickseller]

Did you or did you not give TECHSHARE *positive* trust after BadBear tried to talk sense into you?

Do you want to bet that an admin looked into me being TF in the past? How much are you willing to put up?

[Sarthak]

Wow! Interesting thread
And even more interesting that TF sent 20BTC to QS just to sue Vod. Anyways, thats not a big amount when he holds more than 4k coins stolen from the community.
I support Vod
Cheers!

[dadice]

Wow! Interesting thread
And even more interesting that TF sent 20BTC to QS just to sue Vod. Anyways, thats not a big amount when he holds more than 4k coins stolen from the community.
I support Vod
Cheers!

Yes that is how two scammers are protecting each other in "bad" times.

[TheButterZone]

I am not TF, (at least) one of the admins looked into this a long time ago and they have informed me they do not believe I am TF.

Which admin, liar?

There is a possibility you are TF.

No there isn't. If admins looked into things and stated a belief that was 100% reality a "long" time ago, that means that nothing could possibly happen between then and now that would require re-looking into things and/or changing investigation techniques to restate a belief that is/isn't still 100% reality.

[minifrij]

Do you want to bet that an admin looked into me being TF in the past? How much are you willing to put up?

Why is everything a bet? Answer the question.
I think you should take some time off the forum like you said you would; you're acting like a child.

I'm also looking forward to this great lawsuit. How do you two plan to sue someone without showing your identity?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I am not TF, (at least) one of the admins looked into this a long time ago and they have informed me they do not believe I am TF.

Which admin, liar?

There is a possibility you are TF.  If you live in Canada, you are fucked.

Vod you have an interesting point here. (Canada is a horrible place.) But is it relevant?

[BitcoinEXpress]

Ok I'm so confused.

I realize I am a newbie and do not have too much practical experience in dealing with scam activity but....

If Quickseller tricked people into thinking they were using a neutral third party to protect themselves from QS just running off with the BTC in a trade

and...

It turns the neutral third party was a sham and actually QS himself....

How can Tradefortress consider Quickseller to not have scammed anyone?


Anyone?

~BCX~

[achow101]

Ok I'm so confused.

I realize I am a newbie and do not have too much practical experience in dealing with scam activity but....

If Quickseller tricked people into thinking they were using a neutral third party to protect themselves from QS just running off with the BTC in a trade

and...

It turns the neutral third party was a sham and actually QS himself....

How can Tradefortress consider Quickseller to not have scammed anyone?


Anyone?

~BCX~

Tradefortress is Quickseller? Or maybe Tradefortress is trolling.

[Vod]

How can Tradefortress consider Quickseller to not have scammed anyone?

Scammer code I guess.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

[BitcoinEXpress]

How can Tradefortress consider Quickseller to not have scammed anyone?

Scammer code I guess.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

I guess in that same line of thinking if they both agree that 1+1= 3.5 then it is so....

Tradefortress is Quickseller? Or maybe Tradefortress is trolling.

Heres a quick question for all of you?

How are Quickseller and Tradefortress connected to the defunct CryptoXchange?


~BCX~

[jonald_fyookball]

How can Tradefortress consider Quickseller to not have scammed anyone?

Scammer code I guess.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

xactly.  Tradefortness no likee Vod.  As soon as he see QS attack Vod,
thems best buddies 

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys. Both of yall are cool in my books and what QS did here is aight. This is the wild west, lets not forget that. VOD, dont be tripping on a dude for making a few extra bucks by acting as an escrow for himself. I also dont see anyone complaining that they got screwed using QS and his selfmade escrow. If you dont like how he conducts his business fell free not to do any business with him. If you are scared that he may use an altacct then find an escrow that you know not to be him.

For real. Yall are bickering like some bitches up in here and all for nothing. Vod aint ever gonna see any suit against him for anything and QS is not gonna lose any business. If anything this is good for his rep. All press is good press!

Anyway, just thought I'd chime in and give yall my impression. Peace.

P.s. How do I get on that default trust list?

[jonald_fyookball]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

[Bobsurplus]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

That's correct Sir. I did indeed vote that what he did was alright. If I ran escrows I'd be running them the same way. It's all about the bottom (BTC) line my friend. Also, anyone who wants to make sure 100% that they aren't dealing with a selfrunning escrow is more then welcome to contact any one of the hundreds of escrow agents that come up when you google "online escrow".

[Vod]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

[worhiper_-_]

Here's Quickseller from one of his alts. Asking to buy a VIP account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786796.10

archive
https://archive.is/P5KhE


Also from his main:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723018.0

https://archive.is/0wmoA

The list of VIP accounts is very small and TF is in it. What evidence is there to prove that the account hasn't changed hands?

[jonald_fyookball]

Here's Quickseller from one of his alts. Asking to buy a VIP account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786796.10

archive
https://archive.is/P5KhE


Also from his main:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723018.0

https://archive.is/0wmoA

The list of VIP accounts is very small and TF is in it. What evidence is there to prove that the account hasn't changed hands?

I thought at one point tradefortress became "freehugs" and it was clear it WAS sold.

[ausbit]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

[Vod]

I thought at one point tradefortress became "freehugs" and it was clear it WAS sold.

That would make sense to me.  TF and I always got along when he was running coinchat - we spent hours talking - I left a balance on there I didn't care about.

Suddenly, out of nowhere, TF was hostile and attacking me.  I always figured it was a different person.  

[hashie]

I always figured it was a different person.   

No.

[Vod]

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

Well of course.  At least 3 of those 11 votes are Quickscammer, Panthers52 and AcctSeller.  Who knows how many other alts he used?

On the other hand, QS would like us to believe that out the 176 people that voted it was not OK, it was only 7-8 actual people and the rest were alts.    Guy lives in a fantasy world.

Even if 50% of the people voting used alts, it still would be 95%+ against escrow scamming.  Besides, it would be more probable that an alt would vote to support escrow scams, so the 5% is probably inflated over the 95%.

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

[Vod]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

This is my only account Bob.  I don't have time to play around with alt accounts.

I have no problem with alts (can't do anything about it), unless you are using them in concert to scam.

[jonald_fyookball]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

You're talkin outta both sides of yer mouth.

On one side: "Oh, its totally fine and legit to use self escrow"
on the other hand: "a real, professional trusted escrow won't do that, just search for one on google".

[Bobsurplus]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

This is my only account Bob.  I don't have time to play around with alt accounts.

I have no problem with alts (can't do anything about it), unless you are using them in concert to scam.

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

[Bobsurplus]

QuickSeller, Vod.. Just chill guys.

Quickscammer has quieted down in light of his dox soon being released.  That's a bad thing for the forum, because he's just building alt accounts now.

Bob, the escrow scam isn't the only thing QS has admitted he has done.  He's also admitted to having many alt accounts, and having conversations between himself to make it appear as if they are different users.  He flat out lied when asked if was Panthers52, then later admitted that was him.

I can't trust liars.  If you do, that's your choice.  

Peace.

Bro.. Spare me the bullshit.  
You have altaccts. Im sure many other hero and legendary members do too and you know it  . Also, I dont see anywhere on the forum that there is a rule against using alts or chatting with yourself using said alts. Has the guy lied, sure, Its possible. Have you never lied before bro?

Anyway, I started by saying yall are both cool in my books, im not trying to sling mud or start fights just trying to point out that when doing business on any forum you open yourself to all these risks. There are trusted third party escrow agents all over the net doing this for longer then btc has been around. People should wise up and start using the real services if they have issues with possibily dealing with someone who may be acting as the escrow as well.

You're talkin outta both sides of yer mouth.

On one side: "Oh, its totally fine and legit to use self escrow"
on the other hand: "a real, professional trusted escrow won't do that, just search for one on google".

That is what Im saying.. You have two options. Deal with an escrow nobody on the forum and possibly get scammed or deal with a trusted escrow, outside of this little world that we call bitcoin.
I dont know why we have 100 escrow agents anyway. One of the big guys should set up a site that does this shit semi automatically and build a serious rep as an escrow agent both here on the forum and outside of the forums.. All I see here in the way of escrows are one man shows that are strictly taking place on the forum. No recourse, no website, no company name, no nothing but a forum account.

[ausbit]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

Your 100% right, anyone here could be planning a scam, but the fact in this case in that QS got caught out.

[Bobsurplus]

  what QS did here is aight. 

So you're in the 5% who think self escrowing is ok?

It's got to be less than 5% i would think.

@Bobsurplus, I don't think anybody has come forward saying they lost any BTC by QS escrowing for himself but that doesn't mean it's right, he may have been working up to a big "Exit Scam", a lot of sites/members have done that in the past.
I don't think that was QS's plan, he just fucked up but so have a few others as we have seen throughout this saga.    

Well its not "right" by normal terms. But it's most definitely fair game when dealing with people online through a forum. What happened here happens on 100's of forums daily Im sure. Could he been building up to a "big exit scam" sure he could have. But you could be trying to build a good rep here by taking a position against him when really you just planning to use this rep later on down the line for a "big exit scam" as you put it. Not saying that's the case but anyone acting sincere can then fall into the mold of "just building rep for a big exit scam"

Anyone on here could be up to nefarious activities planning and scheming but until something happens who are you or I to say that may be whats he's planning?

Your 100% right, anyone here could be planning a scam, but the fact in this case in that QS got caught out.

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?   
Sounds like a winner to me. Dont you agree.

[Vod]

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

Ok, let's clarify.

I have used alts in the past to separate my business interests.  These are the alts - I can't access them anymore. Look at their last access date.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513899  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876

Everyone interacting with them knew they were my alts, as I was involved in a scam accusation against Armis (PICISI.com).  I even put in the profile that it was my alt, and I added neutral trust to say it was my alts.  I was very open then, as I am now.

Currently I have no other alts.  Period.

[Bobsurplus]

Yes Vod. You have alts.
-End of discussion.

Ok, let's clarify.

I have used alts in the past to separate my business interests.  These are the alts - I can't access them anymore. Look at their last access date.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513899  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876

Everyone interacting with them knew they were my alts, as I was involved in a scam accusation against Armis (PICISI.com).  I even put in the profile that it was my alt, and I added neutral trust to say it was my alts.  I was very open then, as I am now.

Currently I have no other alts.  Period.

Good thing we got that all cleared up.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Vod is on the up and up.

Here's a pic of him from RL.

 

~BCX~

[ausbit]

^^ Lol, that's funny. Where's the beard or did the vote get to 100?

[snailmen]

LMFAO!

Butthurt to the extremes! Vod is a great member of the forum

[Vod]

^^ Lol, that's funny. Where's the beard or did the vote get to 100?

Still have the beard. 

I'd take a picture, but I think I look ugly. 

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

ETA: Oops, not a valid BTC address. Well, I need a clearsigned answer nonetheless.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud. 

lol.. Yall barking up the wrong tree here. Either get with the program or leave. Its that simple.

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement (statutes infringing human rights or struck down by the courts are invalid), nor claim thereof, is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

[achow101]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

Well actually there is some old outdated (still in effect) US law that states that using any name that is not your real name online or considered fraud. Off course no one enforced that.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

[TheButterZone]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?  

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud.  

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement (statutes infringing human rights or struck down by the courts are invalid), nor claim thereof, is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

1 out of 2 exclusive parties to a trade, cannot be the escrow agent by definition. Regardless of whether restitution was made, fraud occurred if 1 out of 2 exclusive parties pretended to be an escrow agent. Defending the indefensible ad infinitum justifies a lifetime permaban of all accounts.

Once again...

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

ETA: Oops, not a valid BTC address. Well, I need a clearsigned answer nonetheless.

[Bobsurplus]

Got caught out doing what? Running a business?   

Fraud is BIG BUSINESS.

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Is your legal name TheButterZone?
You're a fraud. 

Indefensible bullshit to say a username with no legal name duplication requirement is fraud. Staff, please investigate Bobsurplus as a Quickseller alt if you agree that they fit the profile.

They can investigate all they want. I'm not quickseller nor have I ever been. What Im saying is that the forum rules make it ok for people to have multiple forum accounts. Therefore it is not fraud if he uses one of those accounts to do business. It is business.

1 out of 2 exclusive parties to a trade, cannot be the escrow agent by definition. Regardless of whether restitution was made, fraud occurred if 1 out of 2 exclusive parties pretended to be an escrow agent. Defending the indefensible ad infinitum justifies a lifetime permaban of all accounts.

Once again...

I'm going to need a BTC-signed YES or NO answer, from Bobsurplus (using 1BobSurplusHa1ha8ha4HaL0Lo7SurplusBob), to the following question:
Do you, Bobsurplus, support the business of fraud and/or self-dealing - which is what some may falsely define as "escrowing for yourself" "self-escrow" "middlemanning for yourself" "self-middlemanning"?

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

[Vod]

It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Not so.  Quickscammer admitted he was both accounts. 

[Bobsurplus]

It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Not so.  Quickscammer admitted he was both accounts. 

Yes I understand. But at the time no one was the wiser. So it was just a forum name with an anon identity.
Also, I dont believe that QS forced anyone to use his selfmade lol escrow. They were free to use Danny or TF or whoever if they wanted.
Anyway.. Im done here.. Yall both cool in my book. Just wanted to get my point across and I think I did just that.

Peace out guys.

[TheButterZone]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

But at the time no one was the wiser.

AKA an element of fraud.

[Bobsurplus]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

No bro.. If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense and you tried to play that shit Id just smack you down with the fact that your victim entered into a deal with an anon figure he met online going by a pseudonym and therefor had no real reason to believe that his escrow and vendor/buyer were not the same person. For all your client knows it very well could have been the same person and he has no expectation otherwise.

[jonald_fyookball]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

No bro.. If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense and you tried to play that shit Id just smack you down with the fact that your victim entered into a deal with an anon figure he met online going by a pseudonym and therefor had no real reason to believe that his escrow and vendor/buyer were not the same person. For all your client knows it very well could have been the same person and he has no expectation otherwise.

Your logic is even worse than Quicksellers.  If that's possible.

"Because it was an internet forum, there was no presumption of honesty, therefore my client is innocent."

hahahaha

[Bobsurplus]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

No bro.. If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense and you tried to play that shit Id just smack you down with the fact that your victim entered into a deal with an anon figure he met online going by a pseudonym and therefor had no real reason to believe that his escrow and vendor/buyer were not the same person. For all your client knows it very well could have been the same person and he has no expectation otherwise.

Your logic is even worse than Quicksellers.  If that's possible.

"Because it was an internet forum, there was no presumption of honesty, therefore my client is innocent."

hahahaha

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

[jonald_fyookball]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

No bro.. If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense and you tried to play that shit Id just smack you down with the fact that your victim entered into a deal with an anon figure he met online going by a pseudonym and therefor had no real reason to believe that his escrow and vendor/buyer were not the same person. For all your client knows it very well could have been the same person and he has no expectation otherwise.

Your logic is even worse than Quicksellers.  If that's possible.

"Because it was an internet forum, there was no presumption of honesty, therefore my client is innocent."

hahahaha

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

So, you're a lawyer?

Or you've studied contract law?

[Vod]

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

That's not true Bob.  Anytime you make an agreement with someone, you have entered into a contract with them.  RL identity is not necessary.

[Bobsurplus]

Listen bro, take all that legalese back to the court room. The escrow for all intents and purposes was a third party. It was a forum name with an anon identity. Point final.

Your final point remains indefensible and will be quickly laughed out of court with a contempt citation, as there is 20 BTC on the line for a libel case.

One intent and purpose was to fraudulently obtain escrow fees, otherwise none of the Quickseller escrows where Quickseller admitted to being the NON-THIRD PARTY, but 1/2 COUNTERPARTY, fraudulent escrow agent, would have been a paid service; they would have ALL been free, yet still not by OED definition - ONLY indefensible bullshitter definition, "escrows".

No bro.. If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense and you tried to play that shit Id just smack you down with the fact that your victim entered into a deal with an anon figure he met online going by a pseudonym and therefor had no real reason to believe that his escrow and vendor/buyer were not the same person. For all your client knows it very well could have been the same person and he has no expectation otherwise.

Your logic is even worse than Quicksellers.  If that's possible.

"Because it was an internet forum, there was no presumption of honesty, therefore my client is innocent."

hahahaha

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

So, you're a lawyer?

Or you've studied contract law?

Neither nor. But I believe I do know common sense and that's if I get someone to sign a contract and he puts a fake name on it and I fail at the due diligence part to catch that shit im up shits creek without a paddle if Im looking for compensation. Excuse me mr judge, the contract was signed by John doe, but Id like to sue Abdulla Akbar because he signed it....

[Bobsurplus]

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

That's not true Bob.  Anytime you make an agreement with someone, you have entered into a contract with them.  RL identity is not necessary.

How are you going to prove I signed your contract in a court of law if it does not have my signature on it?

[Vod]

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

That's not true Bob.  Anytime you make an agreement with someone, you have entered into a contract with them.  RL identity is not necessary.

How are you going to prove I signed your contract in a court of law if it does not have my signature on it?

You don't have to sign anything.  You just need to agree.  Verbal contracts are made all the time. 

[Bobsurplus]

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

That's not true Bob.  Anytime you make an agreement with someone, you have entered into a contract with them.  RL identity is not necessary.

How are you going to prove I signed your contract in a court of law if it does not have my signature on it?

You don't have to sign anything.  You just need to agree.  Verbal contracts are made all the time. 

Reminds me of this move I just saw called horrible bosses 2.
Yall should check it out.
Verbal contract wont hold any water here.

[Vod]

Verbal contract wont hold any water here.

I agree with you.  If Quickscammer wants to sue me, he'll need to:

1) Sue the forum for my IP
2) Sue my ISP for my address
3) Serve me
4) Prove in court I was the person in the household using the computer at the time.

That can get quite expensive.  Good thing he has that 20btc!   

[TheButterZone]

No but you cant enter into a contract with anyone unless you have at least a real name. So any contract entered by one fake name to another fake name cant possibly be executed.

More indefensible BS by Bobsurplus, whose "logic" would require every contract killer and their hit caller, who didn't use their legal names in contract, no matter any amount of other proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to be found innocent.

Contempt of court, law, humanity.

[Bobsurplus]

More indefensible BS by Bobsurplus, whose logic would require every contract killer who didn't use their legal name in contract, no matter any amount of other proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to be found innocent.

Contempt of court, law, humanity.

Are you fucking retarded? How is a contract killer using a fake name going to save him from a murder charge? LoL, We are talking about apples and oranges here.
One is a breach of trust/contract situation and the other is one of the most despicable things one person can do to another which in some places carries the death penalty.

Maybe put down the drink and sober up a bit before running off at the mouth agian.

Thanks bro.

[ABitNut]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

[TheButterZone]

More indefensible BS by Bobsurplus, whose "logic" would require every contract killer and their hit caller, who didn't use their legal names in contract, no matter any amount of other proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to be found innocent.

Contempt of court, law, humanity.

Are you fucking retarded? How is a contract killer using a fake name going to save him from a murder charge? LoL, We are talking about apples and oranges here.
One is a breach of trust/contract situation and the other is one of the most despicable things one person can do to another which in some places carries the death penalty.

Maybe put down the drink and sober up a bit before running off at the mouth agian.

Thanks bro.

We're talking about victimful crimes. Fraud and murder, both have victims, regardless of the victims speaking up or not.

I have never drank more than 15 mL of alcoholic beverages, but thanks for digging your pit of indefensible, contemptible bullshit even deeper.

[Bobsurplus]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

[Bobsurplus]

More indefensible BS by Bobsurplus, whose logic would require every contract killer who didn't use their legal name in contract, no matter any amount of other proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to be found innocent.

Contempt of court, law, humanity.

Are you fucking retarded? How is a contract killer using a fake name going to save him from a murder charge? LoL, We are talking about apples and oranges here.
One is a breach of trust/contract situation and the other is one of the most despicable things one person can do to another which in some places carries the death penalty.

Maybe put down the drink and sober up a bit before running off at the mouth agian.

Thanks bro.

We're talking about victimful crimes. Fraud and murder, both have victims, regardless of the victims speaking up or not.

I have never drank more than 15 mL of alcoholic beverages, but thanks for digging your pit of indefensible, contemptible bullshit even deeper.

You can run these big words around all day bro, anyone who reads this conversation knows how full of shit you are and how wrong your position is. Especially in the last post about the hitman getting off of a murder charge because he used an alias. LMAO. 15ml, more like 40oz.

[TheButterZone]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

We absolutely are. The escrow fees for a non-existent by definition, escrow agent.

You are either bold-faced lying or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

LMAO. 15ml, more like 40oz.

Your choice is bold-faced lies, then. You're libeling against one of the core tenets of my identity at this point. I have not and will never intentionally drink more than that amount of alcohol. The first time was when I was served champagne as a minor at a wedding reception, despite requesting Martinelli's non-alcoholic sparking apple cider and only taking a sip of the champagne to make sure, and the second time was when I tasted a few drops from a wine bottle when I was of legal age. Both times I got a headache from such a minuscule amount.

[Bobsurplus]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

We absolutely are. The escrow fees for a non-existent by definition, escrow agent.

You are either bold-faced lying or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

Nahh dude.. The buyer or seller, whoever it was who paid the escrow fee got what they paid for.. They paid to have an account, not a person, hold money for them during a business deal.
Who was behind the account has no bearing on the situation at hand because the payer got what he paid for which was an account to hold said funds.

Stop trying to beat me up here.. This (bct) is a fucking anonymous world, where everyone is using pseudonyms. If you dont like the rules then dont play the game.

[Bobsurplus]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

We absolutely are. The escrow fees for a non-existent by definition, escrow agent.

You are either bold-faced lying or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

LMAO. 15ml, more like 40oz.

Your choice is bold-faced lies, then. I have and will never intentionally drink more than that amount of alcohol, you're libeling against one of the core tenets of my identity at this point.

Ok bro.. now your really coming off like a loser liar. Never ever have I ever had more the 15ml of any alcoholic beverage. Not at the bar, not at the restaurant, not at my friends house, not at the bowling alley. Never ever have I ever.
lmao.

[TheButterZone]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

We absolutely are. The escrow fees for a non-existent by definition, escrow agent.

You are either bold-faced lying or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

Nahh dude.. The buyer or seller, whoever it was who paid the escrow fee got what they paid for.. They paid to have an account, not a person, hold money for them during a business deal.
Who was behind the account has no bearing on the situation at hand because the payer got what he paid for which was an account to hold said funds.

Stop trying to beat me up here.. This (bct) is a fucking anonymous world, where everyone is using pseudonyms. If you dont like the rules then dont play the game.

More indefensible bullshit from you. An escrow agent is not defined as "an account". A counterparty paid for an escrow agent and got their own counterparty instead of a third party, as required by the definition of escrow agent.

If you don't like being "beat up" then don't play your indefensible bullshit game.

Ok bro.. now your really coming off like a loser liar. Never ever have I ever had more the 15ml of any alcoholic beverage. Not at the bar, not at the restaurant, not at my friends house, not at the bowling alley. Never ever have I ever.
lmao.

Your libel continues. Perhaps you'd like to libel Penn Jillette a liar too, about his life of non-alcoholic drinking?

[Vod]

This conversation should really be going on in the thread

Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK?

Plus, it has a bonus of being my thread.  I could lock it to cool everyone off for a while.   

[TheButterZone]

This conversation should really be going on in the thread

Is escrowing for yourself using a secret alt OK?

Plus, it has a bonus of being my thread.  I could lock it to cool everyone off for a while.  

It's going to be horribly difficult to move all the previous posts over there in chrono order.

[Bobsurplus]

What Bob is pretty much right about is that we have little recourse against an anonymous entity. What Bob is wrong about is that that somehow excuses whatever that anonymous entity did.

And I love the logic, "The victim thought it was a third party at the time so nothing wrong happened."

"The users of Mt. Gox thought it was a great exchange, so nothing wrong happened."

Umm we are not talking about any loss of money here are we?

If so I may be wrong but I did not see where QS had stolen any money or covered up a hack as was the case with mtgox.

We absolutely are. The escrow fees for a non-existent by definition, escrow agent.

You are either bold-faced lying or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

Nahh dude.. The buyer or seller, whoever it was who paid the escrow fee got what they paid for.. They paid to have an account, not a person, hold money for them during a business deal.
Who was behind the account has no bearing on the situation at hand because the payer got what he paid for which was an account to hold said funds.

Stop trying to beat me up here.. This (bct) is a fucking anonymous world, where everyone is using pseudonyms. If you dont like the rules then dont play the game.

More indefensible bullshit from you. An escrow agent is not defined as "an account". The buyer paid for an escrow agent and got their own counterparty instead.

If you don't like being "beat up" then don't play your indefensible bullshit game.

Well on the forum here that's exactly what it is.. Some bullshit nobody behind a computer who you'll most likely never see or meet.

[TheButterZone]

"Exactly", "but most likely never", LOL perhaps you'd like to spend your time correcting your quotes of my posts instead of equivocating your argument into oblivion. I'm unwatching this topic and don't plan to edit my replies (further than bringing the newest quote trees in line with my older posts) anymore.

[ABitNut]

Nahh dude.. The buyer or seller, whoever it was who paid the escrow fee got what they paid for.. They paid to have an account, not a person, hold money for them during a business deal.
Who was behind the account has no bearing on the situation at hand because the payer got what he paid for which was an account to hold said funds.

1) They paid for an escrow service. That means an impartial third party providing a service. They did not get it.
2) An account cannot act. Only the entity behind the account can act. Expecting an account to hold money is similar to expecting a rock to run.

Bob, do you feel it's alright to make someone believe you're rendering a service, charge them for it but not (by definition being able to) render said service?

[Sourgummies]

Nahh dude.. The buyer or seller, whoever it was who paid the escrow fee got what they paid for.. They paid to have an account, not a person, hold money for them during a business deal.
Who was behind the account has no bearing on the situation at hand because the payer got what he paid for which was an account to hold said funds.

1) They paid for an escrow service. That means an impartial third party providing a service. They did not get it.
2) An account cannot act. Only the entity behind the account can act. Expecting an account to hold money is similar to expecting a rock to run.

Bob, do you feel it's alright to make someone believe you're rendering a service, charge them for it but not (by definition being able to) render said service?

Starting to think that should be a mandatory question for anyone on this forum supplying the escrow service.

[BitcoinEXpress]

So what I gather from all of this is .....

That if you trick someone out of their coins by having them pay for a service you didn't provide and pretending you did,

Then that is what is called a scam.


Just call me dense but I have tried to look at this in every way possible but I still cannot see it the way that Tradefortress does, that being that QS did not scam.


~BCX~

[hashie]

So what I gather from all of this is .....

That if you trick someone out of their coins by having them pay for a service you didn't provide and pretending you did,

Then that is what is called a scam.


Just call me dense but I have tried to look at this in every way possible but I still cannot see it the way that Tradefortress does, that being that QS did not scam.


~BCX~

The "service" provided by an escrow of:

(1) making a bitcoin address
(2) checking if a payment is received
(3) sending a payment

is not really what you're paying someone for. You are not paying for someone to make a bitcoin address. You are paying for the reputation of someone who you trust won't run off.

Like it or not, reputation is a commodity. Escrows are bonds on a commodity.

edit: oops wrong acct, this is supposed to be posted from TF

[erikalui]

Vod on the other hand has mostly left reasonable ratings (though sometimes I feel they are unfair) but he comes out to be a responsible member definitely more deserving than you. He and TC have been considerate while leaving ratings which makes them both deserving of the DT trust list.

You should take a look at a few of the threads created about Vod. He has a history of trolling those who he does not agree with. If you look at his recent post history you can see just how reasonable he can be when someone is trying to discuss a rating with him. You will also see how he responds to factual arguments.

I know he does get into an argument but I've also seen many instances when he has removed the ratings. Everyone isn't perfect and hence his trolling behavior can be ignored (as many here inhibit this same behavior). Rest there is no other reason why he shouldn't be on the DT trust list as he hasn't scammed anyone whom I know of nor has been involved in a shady trade/transaction.

You should infact apologize to the members whom you have acted as an escrow while dealing with them using your alts.

This was done a long time ago - nearly a week. Both of these people told me they did not feel it was a scam, and neither of them said they had any hard feelings.

Am glad you did it 

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12434433#msg12434433
^^^Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

Furthermore, Vod's last posts in the above referenced thread sufficiently imply that he is unwilling to even consider an opposing viewpoint to that of his own. This is clear and concise evidence that Vod will not adjust any ratings that he leaves when it is shown that the person he left negative ratings for is in fact not a scammer.

[worhiper_-_]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12434433#msg12434433
^^^Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

Furthermore, Vod's last posts in the above referenced thread sufficiently imply that he is unwilling to even consider an opposing viewpoint to that of his own. This is clear and concise evidence that Vod will not adjust any ratings that he leaves when it is shown that the person he left negative ratings for is in fact not a scammer.

I think it's quite hypocritical of you to call this out. You were the one that attempted character assassination first. After all, it's Vod's post, he can do what he wants with it. You trying to derail it is a good enough reason to do what he's entitled to do and close it.

[jonald_fyookball]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12434433#msg12434433
^^^Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

Furthermore, Vod's last posts in the above referenced thread sufficiently imply that he is unwilling to even consider an opposing viewpoint to that of his own. This is clear and concise evidence that Vod will not adjust any ratings that he leaves when it is shown that the person he left negative ratings for is in fact not a scammer.

haha...  Vod did cherry pick part of your post and locked the thread.
kinda a low blow there  

but to be fair we listened to all of your arguments already.
you kinda brought it on yourself with the whole
'we should listen to what pedophiles have to say" angle.

[Quickseller]

you kinda brought it on yourself with the whole
'we should listen to what pedophiles have to say" angle.

My point was that doing this will potentially stop others from falling victim to rape, which I do not think is a bad outcome.

I am a person who cares most about results, so if that means showing a small amount of respect to what I believe to be horrible people, if that results in potentially less victims of a very heinous crime then so be it.

The fact is that Vod is clearly demonstrating that he is unwilling to even listen to the viewpoints of others, and will continue to negatively affect others once he has made up his mind. This kind of behavior will only result in people leaving the community, and deciding not to do business within the community when they may or may not be actual scammers. This is certainly not something that is good for the community, nor is something that is good for bitcoin

[Reynaldo]

Post ripoffreport sounds like a copy pasta from twitch.. its just so hilarious.

[ABitNut]

you kinda brought it on yourself with the whole
'we should listen to what pedophiles have to say" angle.

My point was that doing this will potentially stop others from falling victim to rape, which I do not think is a bad outcome.

I am a person who cares most about results, so if that means showing a small amount of respect to what I believe to be horrible people, if that results in potentially less victims of a very heinous crime then so be it.

The fact is that Vod is clearly demonstrating that he is unwilling to even listen to the viewpoints of others, and will continue to negatively affect others once he has made up his mind. This kind of behavior will only result in people leaving the community, and deciding not to do business within the community when they may or may not be actual scammers. This is certainly not something that is good for the community, nor is something that is good for bitcoin

... is my personal viewpoint ... going to change after engaging in a discussion on the matter? I can say that the chances of this changing are as close to zero as they get.

Hypocrite. "Hey, Vod will not listen to my 'arguments'¹" and yet you engage in discussions with preset views that you will not change.

¹ Vod, and many others for that matter, have read your arguments and found them unconvincing. Rehashing the same failed arguments won't help.

[tspacepilot]

I am a person an account who cares most about results, so...

FTFY.  

[Vod]

Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12437450#msg12437450

You are one sick fuck, Cody.   

This is all I'm going to bother to post since you've repeatedly stated you are leaving the forum today, after you return your last collateral.

I previously said a number of times that I am leaving once a loan that I am due is repaid so I can return the collateral....

[dadice]

Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12437450#msg12437450

You are one sick fuck, Cody.   

This is all I'm going to bother to post since you've repeatedly stated you are leaving the forum today, after you return your last collateral.

I previously said a number of times that I am leaving once a loan that I am due is repaid so I can return the collateral....

Yes he is indeed sick, Vod.

How do we know his name is Cody, has the dox been posted? Thanks for replying.

[Vod]

Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12437450#msg12437450

You are one sick fuck, Cody.   

This is all I'm going to bother to post since you've repeatedly stated you are leaving the forum today, after you return your last collateral.

I previously said a number of times that I am leaving once a loan that I am due is repaid so I can return the collateral....

Yes he is indeed sick, Vod.

How do we know his name is Cody, has the dox been posted? Thanks for replying.

I have his dox.  I'm not releasing them publicly though.

[stingers]

Vod is now engaging in the locking of topics immediately after making a libelous post about my character. A topic in which there was significant, on-topic discussion being engaged in.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.msg12437450#msg12437450

You are one sick fuck, Cody.   

This is all I'm going to bother to post since you've repeatedly stated you are leaving the forum today, after you return your last collateral.

We all know that QS is never going to leave the forum, he'll just create a new identity and will try to scam again.

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

Isn't it possible that QS owns TF's account? And he again tried to fool all of us.

[jonald_fyookball]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

[Quickseller]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

Hmmm, it seems that jonald_fyookball is not a fan of people being able to protect their civil rights.

It also seems that Vod has left me some negative retaliatory feedback because I had opened a scam accusation against him.

[Quickseller]

I am still waiting for Vod to confirm or deny if he left techshare *positive* trust at any point in time, and if so what the circumstances of such a positive rating were

[Vod]

I am still waiting for Vod to confirm or deny if he left techshare *positive* trust at any point in time, and if so what the circumstances of such a positive rating were

We're still waiting for you to leave the forum, like you keep on saying you will. 

What business is it of yours what happened between Tecshare and I?  I have no beef with the guy.

[Quickseller]

What business is it of yours what happened between Tecshare and I?  I have no beef with the guy.

LOL what? Were you not trolling him for months?

[Quickseller]

The latest of Vod's inappropriate ratings is his of Brad Harrison. Vod has left negative trust because Brad Harrison told him that he lives in a different place then he told someone else. I am not sure how wanting to keep your location secret is associated with scamming....

[Vod]

I am not sure how wanting to keep your location secret is associated with scamming....

It's not.   Telling different people you live in different places to gain their support is scammy behavior.

[Quickseller]

I am not sure how wanting to keep your location secret is associated with scamming....

It's not.   Telling different people you live in different places to gain their support is scammy behavior.

Right, because that somehow has something to do with him stealing money from someone. It seems that you are leaving him feedback because he is making claims about you, and is calling you out on your tendencies of being a bully

[Brad Harrison]

Vod is nothing but a bully, once he gets called out he starts to bully you

[dadice]

The latest of Vod's inappropriate ratings is his of Brad Harrison. Vod has left negative trust because Brad Harrison told him that he lives in a different place then he told someone else. I am not sure how wanting to keep your location secret is associated with scamming....

I know that you are immature and still a kid: BUT PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS FORUM A KINDERGARTEN!

[dadice]

Vod is nothing but a bully, once he gets called out he starts to bully you

And another of Quickscammer alts I would suggest..........................

[Quickseller]

The latest of Vod's inappropriate ratings is his of Brad Harrison. Vod has left negative trust because Brad Harrison told him that he lives in a different place then he told someone else. I am not sure how wanting to keep your location secret is associated with scamming....

I know that you are immature and still a kid: BUT PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS FORUM A KINDERGARTEN!

What are you talking about? How is lying about your physical location in any way a scam? Especially when it has nothing to do with him conducting business. Vod's rating against him is pretty clearly personal

[jonald_fyookball]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

Hmmm, it seems that jonald_fyookball is not a fan of people being able to protect their civil rights.
 

 
This is just more dishonesty.  But since you can't be reasoned with, I've given up trying.

[Quickseller]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

Hmmm, it seems that jonald_fyookball is not a fan of people being able to protect their civil rights.
 

 
This is just more dishonesty.  But since you can't be reasoned with, I've given up trying.

Have you seen what he has posted about me? Do you think what he has been saying is even remotely accurate? He was even encouraging someone to dox me.

[jonald_fyookball]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

Hmmm, it seems that jonald_fyookball is not a fan of people being able to protect their civil rights.
 

 
This is just more dishonesty.  But since you can't be reasoned with, I've given up trying.

Have you seen what he has posted about me? Do you think what he has been saying is even remotely accurate? He was even encouraging someone to dox me.

He said you were a liar.  Did you not lie about your alts? Panthers, etc.
He said you were a scammer.  Did you not collect escrow money from people under a false pretense?

[Quickseller]

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

QFR

Hmmm, it seems that jonald_fyookball is not a fan of people being able to protect their civil rights.
 

 
This is just more dishonesty.  But since you can't be reasoned with, I've given up trying.

Have you seen what he has posted about me? Do you think what he has been saying is even remotely accurate? He was even encouraging someone to dox me.

He said you were a liar.  Did you not lie about your alts? Panthers, etc.
He said you were a scammer.  Did you not collect escrow money from people under a false pretense?

He said that I had stolen money. Which is not true. A scammer is someone who has taken money that they are not due. Any money that was collected was done because the other party had agreed to specific terms of a trade and were in no way coerced into paying the escrow fee.

At no point was it implied (nor explicitly said) that I was any kind of neutral third party therefore no money was taken under false pretenses.

To say that money was taken under false pretenses requires you to *assume* what *others* are going to *assume* when taking part of a trade.

[poeEDgar]

At no point was it implied (nor explicitly said) that I was any kind of neutral third party therefore no money was taken under false pretenses.

To say that money was taken under false pretenses requires you to *assume* what *others* are going to *assume* when taking part of a trade.

By the very definition of escrow, and the common definition used on this forum, it indeed is implied that an escrow is a "neutral third party." You know that's how the law (and logic) generally work, right?

It's not a rational argument to say: In spite of the dictionary definition and commonly accepted use of the word "escrow," it is fair to assume that one that seeks the services of an "escrow" is not seeking a "neutral third party." You are the one that is incorrectly assuming, in the face of customary language and practice.

[Quickseller]

Sure, go ahead and find an instance where I signed an agreement that included the explicit statement that said I was a neutral third party. Any agreement that I entered into stated that funds would be kept secure until goods/currency was received by the other party. That is what happened.

[poeEDgar]

Sure, go ahead and find an instance where I signed an agreement that included the explicit statement that said I was a neutral third party. Any agreement that I entered into stated that funds would be kept secure until goods/currency was received by the other party. That is what happened.

A contract does not need your signature -- certainly not in the US. And my argument is that the dictionary and legal definitions of escrow are controlling, as opposed to your imaginary definition:

By the very definition of escrow, and the common definition used on this forum, it indeed is implied that an escrow is a "neutral third party." You know that's how the law (and logic) generally work, right?

It's not a rational argument to say: In spite of the dictionary definition and commonly accepted use of the word "escrow," it is fair to assume that one that seeks the services of an "escrow" is not seeking a "neutral third party." You are the one that is incorrectly assuming, in the face of customary language and practice.

I'm also at a loss for how "funds would be kept secure" when they are being held by the interested second party. What's to stop the interested second party from taking the money and running? He has an interest in doing so.

Why would a trader ask for an escrow, otherwise?

[Quickseller]

Find an instance where I entered into an agreement stating that I am a neutral third party. Signed or otherwise.

The trader would want a party that has sufficient reputation to hold the money until the goods/currency are received.

[Quickseller]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

[poeEDgar]

Find an instance where I entered into an agreement stating that I am a neutral third party. Signed or otherwise.

The trader would want a party that has sufficient reputation to hold the money until the goods/currency are received.

Regarding the bolded:

By the very definition of escrow, and the common definition used on this forum, it indeed is implied that an escrow is a "neutral third party." You know that's how the law (and logic) generally work, right?

It doesn't matter a bit whether you explicitly stated you were a "neutral third party." This just shows you have not a clue how the law (or common decency) works.

A trader who specifically requests an escrow =/= a trader who would have trusted you enough to simply send first. Acting as your own escrow is effectively the latter (in spite of the other party's wishes to have an escrow).

[Karpeles]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

[Quickseller]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

Removed Vod from his trust list.

[Quickseller]

Find an instance where I entered into an agreement stating that I am a neutral third party. Signed or otherwise.

The trader would want a party that has sufficient reputation to hold the money until the goods/currency are received.

Regarding the bolded:

By the very definition of escrow, and the common definition used on this forum, it indeed is implied that an escrow is a "neutral third party." You know that's how the law (and logic) generally work, right?

It doesn't matter a bit whether you explicitly stated you were a "neutral third party." This just shows you have not a clue how the law (or common decency) works.

A trader who specifically requests an escrow =/= a trader who would have trusted you enough to simply send first. Acting as your own escrow is effectively the latter (in spite of the other party's wishes to have an escrow).

If you wish to discuss this topic there is another thread for that discussion. Vod has locked it so you will need him to reopen it. I responded to you a minimal amount of times as a professional curtesy however I do not wish to get this thread further derailed.

[jonald_fyookball]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

Removed Vod from his trust list.

Interesting.

Why did you do that TC?

People accused QS of being TC and QS also
said anyone who leaves him negative trust will be
removed from DT.

spooky.

[poeEDgar]

Find an instance where I entered into an agreement stating that I am a neutral third party. Signed or otherwise.

The trader would want a party that has sufficient reputation to hold the money until the goods/currency are received.

Regarding the bolded:

By the very definition of escrow, and the common definition used on this forum, it indeed is implied that an escrow is a "neutral third party." You know that's how the law (and logic) generally work, right?

It doesn't matter a bit whether you explicitly stated you were a "neutral third party." This just shows you have not a clue how the law (or common decency) works.

A trader who specifically requests an escrow =/= a trader who would have trusted you enough to simply send first. Acting as your own escrow is effectively the latter (in spite of the other party's wishes to have an escrow).

If you wish to discuss this topic there is another thread for that discussion. Vod has locked it so you will need him to reopen it. I responded to you a minimal amount of times as a professional curtesy however I do not wish to get this thread further derailed.

Professional courtesy? Concern for derailing the thread? You are simply adorable.

Good MO -- deflect, deflect, deflect, never respond to the argument. Then walk away. Really effective.

Anyway, just more implicit admission that you are, indeed, a scammer.

[Quickseller]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

Removed Vod from his trust list.

Interesting.

Why did you do that TC?

People accused QS of being TC and QS also
said anyone who leaves him negative trust will be
removed from DT.

spooky.

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts. If you seriously think I am a scammer then your judgement is strongly impaired.

[stingers]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

Removed Vod from his trust list.

Interesting.

Why did you do that TC?

People accused QS of being TC and QS also
said anyone who leaves him negative trust will be
removed from DT.

spooky.

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts. If you seriously think I am a scammer then your judgement is strongly impaired.

The argument that you are a scammer is also based on facts that are well recognised and accepted by the public.
Care to give a date when you will leave?

[jonald_fyookball]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts. 

[Vod]

Thank you tomatocage. Now either someone needs to exclude Vod or dooglus should remove Vod as well.

what Tomatocage did?

Removed Vod from his trust list.

Interesting.

Why did you do that TC?

People accused QS of being TC and QS also
said anyone who leaves him negative trust will be
removed from DT.

spooky.

I'd like to know why as well.   

[Quickseller]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts.  

Says the person giving positive trust to multiple scammers and negative trust to those that have scammed no one

[Quickseller]

Hopefully the Bear will feel it is necessary to exclude Vod from his trust list if he is against all this Dox'ing business that Vod was so strongly encouraging shadow_runner to proceed with.

Plus his ratings seem to be more based on personal issues as of recently as opposed to actual scams/trades.

[Vod]

Hopefully the Bear will feel it is necessary to exclude Vod from his trust list if he is against all this Dox'ing business that Vod was so strongly encouraging shadow_runner to proceed with.

Plus his ratings seem to be more based on personal issues as of recently as opposed to actual scams/trades.

I was attacked today, called a pedo for no reason, by you and Brad.

The entire forum stood up for me.

Did you miss that?   Have you read my signature?

[jonald_fyookball]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts.  

Says the person giving positive trust to multiple scammers and negative trust to those that have scammed no one

I guess that's why I'm still on DT and you're not.

[Quickseller]

Hopefully the Bear will feel it is necessary to exclude Vod from his trust list if he is against all this Dox'ing business that Vod was so strongly encouraging shadow_runner to proceed with.

Plus his ratings seem to be more based on personal issues as of recently as opposed to actual scams/trades.

I was attacked today, called a pedo for no reason, by you and Brad.

The entire forum stood up for me.

Did you miss that?   Have you read my signature?

Did I call you a pedo? I don't remember doing that. I did however call you a bully and said that I do not feel bad when a bully gets bullied themselves.

[Quickseller]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts. 

Says the person giving positive trust to multiple scammers and negative trust to those that have scammed no one

I guess that's why I'm still on DT and you're not.

Are you talking about QS or me as a person?

My statement is correct. I do make logical arguments and Vod has no business being on DT based on how he has acted over the long term.

[Vod]

Hopefully the Bear will feel it is necessary to exclude Vod from his trust list if he is against all this Dox'ing business that Vod was so strongly encouraging shadow_runner to proceed with.

Plus his ratings seem to be more based on personal issues as of recently as opposed to actual scams/trades.

I was attacked today, called a pedo for no reason, by you and Brad.

The entire forum stood up for me.

Did you miss that?   Have you read my signature?

Did I call you a pedo? I don't remember doing that. I did however call you a bully and said that I do not feel bad when a bully gets bullied themselves.

Yes, you suggested I was a pedo by my referencing an article recently where a 2 year girl was raped.

You post a lot and have a poor memory.  Did you read my signature?

[poeEDgar]

My statement is correct. I do make logical arguments and Vod has no business being on DT based on how he has acted over the long term.

Logical =/= fact-based. And actually, in our discourse, you haven't been logical at all. You keep fabricating bizarre rationalizations for your actions, but it has very little to do with logic. And then you walk away, having never addressed the arguments against you....

[worhiper_-_]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts. If you seriously think I am a scammer then your judgement is strongly impaired.

Nothing about character assassination to support your faulty arguments is based on fact quickseller. You wouldn't need to even attempt to discredit Vod if you had valid arguments and evidence to pose against what he's saying about you.

[jonald_fyookball]

Maybe I have very strong arguments that are based on facts.  

Says the person giving positive trust to multiple scammers and negative trust to those that have scammed no one

I guess that's why I'm still on DT and you're not.

Are you talking about QS or me as a person?
 

I take this to mean you have other alts who are on default trust.
Good for you.

[Bobsurplus]

Once again

HOW DO I GET ON THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST?

[stingers]

Once again

HOW DO I GET ON THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST?

Become QS's alt. He'll beg, borrow, steal to make you reach to DT list.
P.S :  Bob, please keep the discussion on topic.

[Keyser Soze]

The sky is red and you cannot prove me wrong because my definition of red is blue.

[jonald_fyookball]

The sky is red and you cannot prove me wrong because my definition of red is blue.

btw, you owe me .01 BTC

[Keyser Soze]

The sky is red and you cannot prove me wrong because my definition of red is blue.

btw, you owe me .01 BTC

I believe you have me mistaken for someone else.

[jonald_fyookball]

The sky is red and you cannot prove me wrong because my definition of red is blue.

btw, you owe me .01 BTC

I believe you have me mistaken for someone else.

no, it was for the escrow service i just provided to you while i'm sitting here in my bathroom.

since escrow can mean whatever i want it to mean, right?  You agreed to it by posting after me
in the same thread. 

you can't prove me wrong.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The sky is red and you cannot prove me wrong because my definition of red is blue.

btw, you owe me .01 BTC

I believe you have me mistaken for someone else.

no, it was for the escrow service i just provided to you while i'm sitting here in my bathroom.

since escrow can mean whatever i want it to mean, right?  You agreed to it by posting after me
in the same thread. 

you can't prove me wrong.

 

Well played...

[Quickseller]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Dear CVS,

I take internet forum arguments so seriously that I need to write you this letter...



Seriously, close the thread. This is actually kind of pathetic now. 

Dear CVS,

Your employee, on your time and your equipment, is suing me and implying I'm a pedophile.   

I'm sure everyone at some point has checked their messages from work. Doesn't mean forum petty arguments become letters to employers.

I agree.  The fact that he spends the majority of his time on here committing scams while being paid is a letter to employer.

CVS PHARMACY
--address/phone number snipped out--

[Vod]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Why?  You brought things into the real world with a lawsuit.  No one left you negative trust for doing that...

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit and leave the forum as you promised, and I won't pursue things any further.  When I get an email for your HR department I'll just ignore it.

[Quickseller]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Why?  You brought things into the real world with a lawsuit.  No one left you negative trust for doing that...

Yes I did.

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit and leave the forum as you promised, and I won't pursue things any further.  When I get an email for your HR department I'll just ignore it.

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money. I have also stated multiple times that my ultimate goal is to get your libelous statements about me to be removed (and although your signature was not up at the time of when I made those statements, your factually inaccurate signature).

[Vod]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Why?  You brought things into the real world with a lawsuit.  No one left you negative trust for doing that...

Yes I did.

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit and leave the forum as you promised, and I won't pursue things any further.  When I get an email for your HR department I'll just ignore it.

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money. I have also stated multiple times that my ultimate goal is to get your libelous statements about me to be removed (and although your signature was not up at the time of when I made those statements, your factually inaccurate signature).

Well, I've stated multiple times I've stated nothing libel about you.  You'e admitted to scamming; you were caught lying.

You still planning on leaving the forum today?

[jonald_fyookball]

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money.

But yet you happily accepted it for the explicit purpose of a lawsuit, with the intention of intimidating Vod,
all for something YOU wrongly did, which is why I left negative trust.

[Quickseller]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Why?  You brought things into the real world with a lawsuit.  No one left you negative trust for doing that...

Yes I did.

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit and leave the forum as you promised, and I won't pursue things any further.  When I get an email for your HR department I'll just ignore it.

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money. I have also stated multiple times that my ultimate goal is to get your libelous statements about me to be removed (and although your signature was not up at the time of when I made those statements, your factually inaccurate signature).

Well, I've stated multiple times I've stated nothing libel about you.  You'e admitted to scamming; you were caught lying.

You still planning on leaving the forum today?

I did not admit to scamming, there is zero money that is claimed that I have stolen.

This doesn't matter anyway, if you have not said anything false about me then you have nothing to worry about.

I am not worried about quoted posts of what you have posted, at least not as of today

[Quickseller]

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money.

But yet you happily accepted it for the explicit purpose of a lawsuit, with the intention of intimidating Vod,
all for something YOU wrongly did, which is why I left negative trust.

The intention was not intimidation. The intention was to stop a tort that was being done against me. Whatever TF's intention was is none of my concern and has nothing to do with me, his actions are separate from mine.

When you are being hung out to dry, you cannot pick and choose who your friends are.....

[Vod]

You still planning on leaving today?

Edit:  Looks like Quickscammer is ignoring me.  If he stays on the forum, he brings what is coming on himself.   

[jonald_fyookball]

The intention was to stop a tort that was being done against me. 

 

[Quickseller]

Not that the accuracy of such information matters one way or another, however the fact that someone released what they claim to be my employer's address/telephone number should be pretty decent grounds to be excluded from DT, and is probably grounds for a negative rating or two

Why?  You brought things into the real world with a lawsuit.  No one left you negative trust for doing that...

Yes I did.

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit and leave the forum as you promised, and I won't pursue things any further.  When I get an email for your HR department I'll just ignore it.

I have said many times that the lawsuit was something that I wanted to avoid, and I have told many people (who I no doubt passed this onto you) that I am very uncomfortable spending TF's money. I have also stated multiple times that my ultimate goal is to get your libelous statements about me to be removed (and although your signature was not up at the time of when I made those statements, your factually inaccurate signature).

Well, I've stated multiple times I've stated nothing libel about you.  You'e admitted to scamming; you were caught lying.

You still planning on leaving the forum today?

I did not admit to scamming, there is zero money that is claimed that I have stolen.

SAME WITH ME NIGGA

I DIDNT STEAL SHIT BUT IM STILL RECOGNIZED AS EXTREMELY UNTRUSTWORTHY

This is Candystripes, and I am LAUGHING at how pathetic you are, still trying to fight your way back to trustworthiness! Fucking give up like I did, and stick to your job and be happy with the money you have. Piece of fucking shit, fuck you! Im glad you got caught you fucking greedy ignorant asshole! Fucking give up and stop crying about it you retarded cunt!

Ummm, you tried to extort someone. Also once you were outed as an extortionist, you have scammed multiple people both on here, on skype and on at least one gambling site........I have been trusted with pretty significant amounts of money and never hesitated to follow through on my side of any trade I have been a party to.....I am really not sure why you are comparing you to me

[Coinonomous]

Ummm, you tried to extort someone. Also once you were outed as an extortionist, you have scammed multiple people both on here, on skype and on at least one gambling site........I have been trusted with pretty significant amounts of money and never hesitated to follow through on my side of any trade I have been a party to.....I am really not sure why you are comparing you to me

Ummm.. You've been doxxed now, no? Are you seriously just going to continue spouting off like this ?

[poeEDgar]

This is Candystripes, and I am LAUGHING at how pathetic you are, still trying to fight your way back to trustworthiness! Fucking give up like I did, and stick to your job and be happy with the money you have. Piece of fucking shit, fuck you! Im glad you got caught you fucking greedy ignorant asshole! Fucking give up and stop crying about it you retarded cunt!

A few more curse words than I would have used, but this is actually one of the most useful posts of the day.

Quickseller, just leave the forum. There is nothing about your need to collect a loan that entails you hanging around, fumbling over embarrassing rationalizations for your dishonorable actions. You're just embarrassing yourself. We are just revelling in your fall from grace because you're a plague on this forum. And we will continue to shit on you as you continue to embarrass yourself.

Eventually, someone will have had enough and will simply DOX you. Just sayin. Be smart, take responsibility and leave.

[jonald_fyookball]

QS just tacitly admitted he has high level acts on DT(again), meanwhile TC removed Vod from his trust list while this feud was going on. 

Does anybody find this odd?

[Quickseller]

--what is claimed to be my work address--

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit

Come on Vod, there is no way there is any way that anything good can come of you doing this. Do you seriously think that anything good can possibly happen as a result of the following events happening in the following order:

• A lawsuit is threatened against you
• You release what you clearly believe to be the personal information of the person who would be filing the above lawsuit
• You then tell me to drop the above threatened lawsuit

I cannot see how the above is anything other then you trying to intimidate me out of taking legal action against you.

As I said previously, my goal was for you to remove the false and libelous information that you had posted against me. I think you should take a step back for a minute and think if this is really a fight that is worth winning this way. Don't you think it was probably a bad idea to release what you think was the personal information of someone who has made a lot of enemies from preventing scammers from being able to steal from others?

I am not sure where you got the information that what you believe to be my personal information, however it matches pretty much nothing about me, nor none of the aliases I have used while trading. I am honestly stumped as to where you got this information. I was able however to spend no more then 10 minutes searching the internet to find both a linkedin profile and a facebook profile of what appears to be the person you are claiming is me. From the looks of it you were fed bad information and you failed to do ant kind of independent research or verifications. I would not be surprised if scammers were to start harassing this person at work and possibly in his personal life as well. If this does happen then I would not be surprised if he attempts to take some kind of action against you.

[Quickseller]

QS just tacitly admitted he has high level acts on DT(again), meanwhile TC removed Vod from his trust list while this feud was going on. 

Does anybody find this odd?

Why would any of this be odd? Do you think it was appropriate for Vod to be pushing someone to be publishing the dox of someone who has stolen zero money? I would doubt that anyone here would want to get doxed in a way that vod was encouraging shadow_runner to attempt to dox me.....

[ABitNut]

QS just tacitly admitted he has high level acts on DT(again), meanwhile TC removed Vod from his trust list while this feud was going on. 

Does anybody find this odd?

Smoke and mirrors. There's so much obfuscation that it's near impossible to tell what's going on. TC is free to manage their trust list as they see fit. Though I would suggest they also have a look at the trust settings on their Tomatocage1 account, which still has both Vod and QuickSeller. It would be weird if a person trusts differently based on whatever alt they're using. But I'm sure this is just a small oversight, since the Tomatocage1 account was only used when they were locked out of their main account.

... Don't you think it was probably a bad idea to release what you think was the personal information of someone who has made a lot of enemies from preventing scammers from being able to steal from others? ...

Vod is "someone who has made a lot of enemies from preventing scammers from being able to steal from others". They don't seem to mind their personal information being available all that much. I think I can guess their answer to this question based on that.

Also, did you actually file a lawsuit against Vod?

QS just tacitly admitted he has high level acts on DT(again), meanwhile TC removed Vod from his trust list while this feud was going on. 

Does anybody find this odd?

Why would any of this be odd? Do you think it was appropriate for Vod to be pushing someone to be publishing the dox of someone who has stolen zero money? I would doubt that anyone here would want to get doxed in a way that vod was encouraging shadow_runner to attempt to dox me.....

It is odd that such happens without some context. I had expected TC to make at least some kind of statement on their decision. But as I said above they can manage their trust list how they see fit.

You did take money for a service you didn't provide. Stop saying you did nothing wrong. I would count that as stealing. And the amount was not zero. So Vod did not push "someone to be publishing the dox of someone who has stolen zero money?". Two can play word games.

[stingers]

--what is claimed to be my work address--

All you have to do is drop the lawsuit

Come on Vod, there is no way there is any way that anything good can come of you doing this. Do you seriously think that anything good can possibly happen as a result of the following events happening in the following order:

• A lawsuit is threatened against you
• You release what you clearly believe to be the personal information of the person who would be filing the above lawsuit
• You then tell me to drop the above threatened lawsuit

I cannot see how the above is anything other then you trying to intimidate me out of taking legal action against you.

As I said previously, my goal was for you to remove the false and libelous information that you had posted against me. I think you should take a step back for a minute and think if this is really a fight that is worth winning this way. Don't you think it was probably a bad idea to release what you think was the personal information of someone who has made a lot of enemies from preventing scammers from being able to steal from others?

I am not sure where you got the information that what you believe to be my personal information, however it matches pretty much nothing about me, nor none of the aliases I have used while trading. I am honestly stumped as to where you got this information. I was able however to spend no more then 10 minutes searching the internet to find both a linkedin profile and a facebook profile of what appears to be the person you are claiming is me. From the looks of it you were fed bad information and you failed to do ant kind of independent research or verifications. I would not be surprised if scammers were to start harassing this person at work and possibly in his personal life as well. If this does happen then I would not be surprised if he attempts to take some kind of action against you.

You seem to be scared a lot. I don't think any lawsuit against Vod is going to harm him in anyway, he has done what was supposed to be done, he you a scammer, and you are a scammer.

[Quickseller]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

[Brad Harrison]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

[Quickseller]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

[Karpeles]

Now that you have negative trust and will never be back to DT you are trying to take others with you?

Not a mature thing to do

[21coin]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

[Quickseller]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

The crypto-games saga is what brought this to my attention. Crypto-games were made aware of a potential bug and took a long time to fix it even though it was not their money on the line. He has sent other trust ratings similar to those that I described above.

[21coin]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

The crypto-games saga is what brought this to my attention. Crypto-games were made aware of a potential bug and took a long time to fix it even though it was not their money on the line. He has sent other trust ratings similar to those that I described above.

But I think he did remove it after they fixed the bug/paid the bounty, its only mitchell's feedback on them now. Care to show which other dice sites you are talking about though?

[Quickseller]

Now that you have negative trust and will never be back to DT you are trying to take others with you?

Not a mature thing to do

I have reason to believe that two of my negatives will eventually be updated to neutral, three of them will potentially be removed from DT based on a number of factors (both because of their rating on me and other additional reasons).

I haven't spoken to John K. about the situation and I have only seen him make one post about the situation (and one additional off topic post) however it is my understanding that he is a reasonable person.

You cannot predict the future, nor are you aware of all my alts

[Quickseller]

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

The crypto-games saga is what brought this to my attention. Crypto-games were made aware of a potential bug and took a long time to fix it even though it was not their money on the line. He has sent other trust ratings similar to those that I described above.

But I think he did remove it after they fixed the bug/paid the bounty, its only mitchell's feedback on them now. Care to show which other dice sites you are talking about though?

After he paid the bounty

[21coin]

Now that you have negative trust and will never be back to DT you are trying to take others with you?

Not a mature thing to do

I have reason to believe that two of my negatives will eventually be updated to neutral, three of them will potentially be removed from DT based on a number of factors (both because of their rating on me and other additional reasons).

I haven't spoken to John K. about the situation and I have only seen him make one post about the situation (and one additional off topic post) however it is my understanding that he is a reasonable person.

You cannot predict the future, nor are you aware of all my alts

Haha thats what I like about you.
EDIT: Nor are you
EDIT 2: Nice address you got there.

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

The crypto-games saga is what brought this to my attention. Crypto-games were made aware of a potential bug and took a long time to fix it even though it was not their money on the line. He has sent other trust ratings similar to those that I described above.

But I think he did remove it after they fixed the bug/paid the bounty, its only mitchell's feedback on them now. Care to show which other dice sites you are talking about though?

After he paid the bounty

He did discover the bug though, so he should've been paid the bounty like a regular guy who found a bug.

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=132677
It seems that dooglus sent retaliatory feedback to the above person because he felt dooglus's website was less then honest

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=292423
He left the above person negative trust for recommending a scam site

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=371960
He left negative trust because they "post FUD and one liners"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=397258
His negative rating on the above person starts that he refused to pay a 1 BTC bounty for a bug, and then continues that the site he runs is a scam

These are just a few examples that did not take any kind of extensive research.

His trust list is composed of those who are already on DT and a few that echo his sentiments towards a few sites that he thinks are a scam (the fact that the site is a scam is irrelevant), so I think others can make their own conclusions about these people on his trust list. Oh and they also have zero trading history

[Quickseller]

Now that you have negative trust and will never be back to DT you are trying to take others with you?

Not a mature thing to do

I have reason to believe that two of my negatives will eventually be updated to neutral, three of them will potentially be removed from DT based on a number of factors (both because of their rating on me and other additional reasons).

I haven't spoken to John K. about the situation and I have only seen him make one post about the situation (and one additional off topic post) however it is my understanding that he is a reasonable person.

You cannot predict the future, nor are you aware of all my alts

Haha thats what I like about you.
EDIT: Nor are you
EDIT 2: Nice address you got there.

It seems as if dooglus has refused to remove Vod from his trust list so far. This is despite Vod's using of his trust rating for personal reasons and him clearly not being able to properly do research and consider the relevant facts prior to making decisions that will affect others.

This fact is clear evidence that dooglus should be removed from level 1 default trust. Additional reasons why dooglus should be removed is the fact that his positive trust ratings and endorsements of multiple thefts totaling millions of dollars. I would question how many thefts need to result because of dooglus's positive ratings before he is removed from DT

I agree dooglus is just helping aid Vod in abusing the trust system

dooglus has an extremely shady past with his trust ratings and his trust list. There have been multiple casinos that have shut down after receiving negative ratings from dooglus after dooglus found a "bug", refused to pay any kind of bug bounty and is also a "scam"

Are you specifically talking about crypto-games.net here? Cause I feel you are, and its true

The crypto-games saga is what brought this to my attention. Crypto-games were made aware of a potential bug and took a long time to fix it even though it was not their money on the line. He has sent other trust ratings similar to those that I described above.

But I think he did remove it after they fixed the bug/paid the bounty, its only mitchell's feedback on them now. Care to show which other dice sites you are talking about though?

After he paid the bounty

He did discover the bug though, so he should've been paid the bounty like a regular guy who found a bug.

You think a site should be forced to pay for something at a price they did not agree to prior to the fact? Note that I previously backed dooglus's actions however after further consideration I have change my viewpoint on the matter.

[Sarthak]

You think a site should be forced to pay for something at a price they did not agree to prior to the fact? Note that I previously backed dooglus's actions however after further consideration I have change my viewpoint on the matter.

Dooglus asked for a fair amount considering the severity if the bug he found! I don't see anything wrong in this.

[Quickseller]

You think a site should be forced to pay for something at a price they did not agree to prior to the fact? Note that I previously backed dooglus's actions however after further consideration I have change my viewpoint on the matter.

Dooglus asked for a fair amount considering the severity if the bug he found! I don't see anything wrong in this.

So if you are driving around in your car and I see a safety problem with your car, I should ask you for 1BTC to tell you what is wrong with it (without you ever agreeing to pay this or any amount) and when you don't pay up, I should call you a scammer?

[Vod]

I'm just going to leave this here since Meta doesn't show trust scores.

This is Quickscammer now, according to the default community:



I've accomplished what I wanted to - QS is now ostracized from the community.

I won't be pushing it any further. 

[Sarthak]

You think a site should be forced to pay for something at a price they did not agree to prior to the fact? Note that I previously backed dooglus's actions however after further consideration I have change my viewpoint on the matter.

Dooglus asked for a fair amount considering the severity if the bug he found! I don't see anything wrong in this.

So if you are driving around in your car and I see a safety problem with your car, I should ask you for 1BTC to tell you what is wrong with it (without you ever agreeing to pay this or any amount) and when you don't pay up, I should call you a scammer?

From wikipedia:

A bug bounty program is a deal offered by many website and software developers by which individuals can receive recognition and compensation for reporting bugs, especially those pertaining to exploits and vulnerabilities.

FYI, The bug was a critical one. Dooglus wasn't a thief so he reported it to the owner of the site and asked for a 1BTC bounty. He could have withdrawn 2 BTC but didn't. There was a deal between them. The BalloonBit owner credited his account with the Bitcoins but never processed his withdraw. What's wrong with putting a -ve trust if the balloonbit owner didn't fulfill his part of the deal?

[Quickseller]

You think a site should be forced to pay for something at a price they did not agree to prior to the fact? Note that I previously backed dooglus's actions however after further consideration I have change my viewpoint on the matter.

Dooglus asked for a fair amount considering the severity if the bug he found! I don't see anything wrong in this.

So if you are driving around in your car and I see a safety problem with your car, I should ask you for 1BTC to tell you what is wrong with it (without you ever agreeing to pay this or any amount) and when you don't pay up, I should call you a scammer?

From wikipedia:

A bug bounty program is a deal offered by many website and software developers by which individuals can receive recognition and compensation for reporting bugs, especially those pertaining to exploits and vulnerabilities.

FYI, The bug was a critical one. Dooglus wasn't a thief so he reported it to the owner of the site and asked for a 1BTC bounty. He could have withdrawn 2 BTC but didn't. There was a deal between them. The BalloonBit owner credited his account with the Bitcoins but never processed his withdraw. What's wrong with putting a -ve trust if the balloonbit owner didn't fulfill his part of the deal?

Did the site have any kind of bug bounty program? I did not see any one published anywhere.

[Sarthak]

Did the site have any kind of bug bounty program? I did not see any one published anywhere.

I don't see anything wrong in reporting a bug and asking for a bounty if the site "doesn't" have a bug bounty program. It's not that a site without a bug bounty program isn't vulnerable, is it?

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Did the site have any kind of bug bounty program? I did not see any one published anywhere.

I don't see anything wrong in reporting a bug and asking for a bounty if the site "doesn't" have a bug bounty program. It's not that a site without a bug bounty program isn't vulnerable, is it?

There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with leaving negative trust if someone does not pay you a bounty (when they have no bug bounty program).

[Quickseller]

Did the site have any kind of bug bounty program? I did not see any one published anywhere.

I don't see anything wrong in reporting a bug and asking for a bounty if the site "doesn't" have a bug bounty program. It's not that a site without a bug bounty program isn't vulnerable, is it?

So they don't have a bug bounty program, therefore they never agreed to pay any kind of bug bounty. While it might be reasonable to ask for a bug bounty, however not paying one certainly does not make them a scammer.

[Sarthak]

There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with leaving negative trust if someone does not pay you a bounty (when they have no bug bounty program).

You're mistaken. I agree the site didn't have a bug bounty program but you can clearly see that they had a deal! Dooglus reported the vulnerability but the owner of Balloonbit didn't fulfill his part of the deal by crediting Dooglus' acoount but at the same time, not processing the withdraw.

[Sarthak]

What are you talking about?

therefore they never agreed to pay any kind of bug bounty.

They did agree and they did credit Dooglus' account at their site but they never processed the transaction.

While it might be reasonable to ask for a bug bounty, however not paying one certainly does not make them a scammer.

Come on, they run a casino! If they can't complete their part in a small deal, how can you expect such kind of people to run legitimate casinos?

[Quickseller]

There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with leaving negative trust if someone does not pay you a bounty (when they have no bug bounty program).

You're mistaken. I agree the site didn't have a bug bounty program but you can clearly see that they had a deal! Dooglus reported the vulnerability but the owner of Balloonbit didn't fulfill his part of the deal by crediting Dooglus' acoount but at the same time, not processing the withdraw.

I don't think it was clear they had a deal. I would say quite the opposite.

[Quickseller]

What are you talking about?

therefore they never agreed to pay any kind of bug bounty.

They did agree and they did credit Dooglus' account at their site but they never processed the transaction.

While it might be reasonable to ask for a bug bounty, however not paying one certainly does not make them a scammer.

Come on, they run a casino! If they can't complete their part in a small deal, how can you expect such kind of people to run legitimate casinos?

what deal are you talking about lol

[Sarthak]

what deal are you talking about lol

Please read the whole thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869272.msg9783924#msg9783924

[dooglus]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=132677
It seems that dooglus sent retaliatory feedback to the above person because he felt dooglus's website was less then honest

If he had expressed such a feeling that would have been OK. But he didn't say he felt that my site was less than honest, he claimed it was scammy. It isn't. He said I am a deceptive person. I'm not. He was lying about me and my site, so I left feedback saying not to trust him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=292423
He left the above person negative trust for recommending a scam site

The guy was shilling for a known Ponzi, saying they were a good investment. Would you trust someone who did that? I wouldn't.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=371960
He left negative trust because they "post FUD and one liners"

Check the reference. He was working through the sub-forum posting single-line crap in every thread just to bump his post count. The forum is overrun by people posting crap just so they can join signature ad campaigns. This guy was a particularly ugly example of that, adding nothing of value.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=397258
His negative rating on the above person starts that he refused to pay a 1 BTC bounty for a bug, and then continues that the site he runs is a scam

Well, that's because he refused to pay me the amount we had already agreed upon, and because his site was a scam... He was offering bets that he was unable to pay out.

These are just a few examples that did not take any kind of extensive research.

Someone should take a look at some of the feedback you've left. I'm sure there's actual real cause for concern in there.

His trust list is composed of those who are already on DT and a few that echo his sentiments towards a few sites that he thinks are a scam (the fact that the site is a scam is irrelevant), so I think others can make their own conclusions about these people on his trust list. Oh and they also have zero trading history

I don't think I have anyone who is already on the DefaultTrust list in my trust list. I tend to add people whose judgement I trust. Those will be people who I mostly agree with. Well spotted.

I don't think it was clear they had a deal. I would say quite the opposite.

We had a deal. We arranged it via private messages. I think I posted the private messages on the thread in question, but I can post them here if necessary.

Edit: my trust list:



I don't think any of those accounts are on the DefaultTrust list are they?

Edit2: I just checked. DefaultTrust has 13 accounts in its trust list:

Code:

BadBear
DeaDTerra
dooglus
dserrano5
escrow.ms
HostFat
Maged
OgNasty
OldScammerTag
philipma1957
SaltySpitoon
theymos
Tomatocage

I have none of those in my trust list, but I do have DefaultTrust in my trust list, so indirectly I have them all.

[Quickseller]

what deal are you talking about lol

Please read the whole thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869272.msg9783924#msg9783924

I think I'll pass. And I think we are talking about two different instances. You had said that dooglus removed his negative trust after crypto-games paid the non-existent bug bounty that they did not agree to prior to the bug being reported. I cannot see any way that is possibly the right thing to do. And I cannot see how that is anything other then selling trust.

[dooglus]

I think we are talking about two different instances. You had said that dooglus removed his negative trust after crypto-games paid the non-existent bug bounty that they did not agree to prior to the bug being reported. I cannot see any way that is possibly the right thing to do. And I cannot see how that is anything other then selling trust.

Maybe you should make it clear what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure you have your facts wrong:

  I didn't find a bug at crypto-games, someone else did; I was merely acting as an "escrow" for the bug.
  (that means I was an independent third party, in case you're unclear on that point)

  I neither left nor removed negative trust for crypto-games. When I remove negative trust I replace it with neutral trust so a record stands but it no longer counts against the account.

  I didn't sell trust.

I understand that you're mad because I didn't remove Vod from my trust list, but stomping your feet and making things up to try to get me into trouble isn't going to work for you.

[Sarthak]

I think we are talking about two different instances. You had said that dooglus removed his negative trust after crypto-games paid the non-existent bug bounty that they did not agree to prior to the bug being reported. I cannot see any way that is possibly the right thing to do. And I cannot see how that is anything other then selling trust.

Maybe you should make it clear what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure you have your facts wrong:

  I didn't find a bug at crypto-games, someone else did; I was merely acting as an "escrow" for the bug.
  (that means I was an independent third party, in case you're unclear on that point)

  I neither left nor removed negative trust for crypto-games. When I remove negative trust I replace it with neutral trust so a record stands but it no longer counts against the account.

  I didn't sell trust.

I understand that you're mad because I didn't remove Vod from my trust list, but stomping your feet and making things up to try to get me into trouble isn't going to work for you.

I wish there was a 'like' button in the thread. I would 'like' this reply 100 times (Especially the last line)
Anyways since Vod has already left this thread and he is certainly not going to get removed from the DT, i guess this thread must be closed and the ongoing drama should be stopped.

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=132677
It seems that dooglus sent retaliatory feedback to the above person because he felt dooglus's website was less then honest

If he had expressed such a feeling that would have been OK. But he didn't say he felt that my site was less than honest, he claimed it was scammy. It isn't. He said I am a deceptive person. I'm not. He was lying about me and my site, so I left feedback saying not to trust him.

Of course not. Anyone who makes those kinds of claims is automatically a scammer and should not be trusted.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=292423
He left the above person negative trust for recommending a scam site

The guy was shilling for a known Ponzi, saying they were a good investment. Would you trust someone who did that? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't trust someone who was endorsing multiple sites that stole over a million dollars each either, especially when it would not be unreasonable to conclude that such theft was enabled by such endorsements.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=371960
He left negative trust because they "post FUD and one liners"

Check the reference. He was working through the sub-forum posting single-line crap in every thread just to bump his post count. The forum is overrun by people posting crap just so they can join signature ad campaigns. This guy was a particularly ugly example of that, adding nothing of value.

Right. Because everyone who is not able to write to your standards is a scammer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=397258
His negative rating on the above person starts that he refused to pay a 1 BTC bounty for a bug, and then continues that the site he runs is a scam

Well, that's because he refused to pay me the amount we had already agreed upon, and because his site was a scam... He was offering bets that he was unable to pay out.

hmmm.

These are just a few examples that did not take any kind of extensive research.

Someone should take a look at some of the feedback you've left. I'm sure there's actual real cause for concern in there.

Lol.

His trust list is composed of those who are already on DT and a few that echo his sentiments towards a few sites that he thinks are a scam (the fact that the site is a scam is irrelevant), so I think others can make their own conclusions about these people on his trust list. Oh and they also have zero trading history

I don't think I have anyone who is already on the DefaultTrust list in my trust list. I tend to add people whose judgement I trust. Those will be people who I mostly agree with. Well spotted.

Edit: my trust list:



I don't think any of those accounts are on the DefaultTrust list are they?

Yes?

[Quickseller]

I think we are talking about two different instances. You had said that dooglus removed his negative trust after crypto-games paid the non-existent bug bounty that they did not agree to prior to the bug being reported. I cannot see any way that is possibly the right thing to do. And I cannot see how that is anything other then selling trust.

Maybe you should make it clear what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure you have your facts wrong:

  I didn't find a bug at crypto-games, someone else did; I was merely acting as an "escrow" for the bug.
  (that means I was an independent third party, in case you're unclear on that point)

Wasn't that person asking for 1BTC for himself and .5BTC for you for a separate bug? If that is the case, I don't think that would make you very neutral.

  I neither left nor removed negative trust for crypto-games. When I remove negative trust I replace it with neutral trust so a record stands but it no longer counts against the account.

Slark had implied otherwise above. My mistake.

  I didn't sell trust.

Except when you want a scammer to show as being trusted and give them a reputation loan.

I understand that you're mad because I didn't remove Vod from my trust list, but stomping your feet and making things up to try to get me into trouble isn't going to work for you.

Vod will likely get removed from DT with or without your assistance, more likely without.

I am just pointing out problems with your trust and trust list.

[poeEDgar]

Vod will likely get removed from DT with or without your assistance, more likely without.

What kind of power do you think you have here, exactly? Why would anyone take you seriously? You're a dishonest fraud. You're only embarrassing yourself by continuing to make waves about it.

[dooglus]

I didn't sell trust.

Except when you want a scammer to show as being trusted and give them a reputation loan.

You keep bringing up the same issues over and over.

You were claiming that tsp couldn't be trusted with any amount of money. I tested this theory. It turned out he could be trusted with 1 BTC and I left trust reflecting that.

I didn't sell anything. That would imply that I somehow received payment. I didn't.

I am just pointing out problems with your trust and trust list.

Not very effectively, but thanks for trying. More people should be held accountable for the trust feedback they leave.

[Sarthak]

 I didn't find a bug at crypto-games, someone else did; I was merely acting as an "escrow" for the bug.
  (that means I was an independent third party, in case you're unclear on that point)

Wasn't that person asking for 1BTC for himself and .5BTC for you for a separate bug? If that is the case, I don't think that would make you very neutral.

 

What wrong did doog do when someone else asked for 1.5BTC bounty from DogecoinMachine and the one who found the bug just asked by himself that 0.5BTC out of that 1.5 will be given to doog because he helped verify the bug. And whats wrong if doog put a red trust on someone who lied(or didn't fulfill his part of the deal) and again changed it to neutral after he(DogecoinMachine) completed his part of the deal? You're suspecting that he is selling trust just because he acted as a neutral third party and put negative trust on a liar and again changed it to neutral when he(the liar) started being honest?

[jonald_fyookball]

QS twisting facts and logic again?  nahhhhh, can't be.

[cakir]

sent.

sent.

http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

Hi TradeFortress I would like to ask you something important.
When I examined this transaction, I've seen that You've used 3 different addresses to pay 20 BTC.
1: https://blockchain.info/address/1JNZgYxgsrUnwoCGZqSKGqpbUoxewyCxsn
2: https://blockchain.info/address/15bLpPJbAz1ahgFSLMBLCVuoM1y9QYHHuy
3: https://blockchain.info/address/1MDiAC7C91waTzTtkg8UpKqcPej58rn77h

Let's look at the 1st address closer. It got bitcoins from this address: https://blockchain.info/address/12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA

And this addresses bitcoins come from "scammer (told it was hacked) hashie.co". "Which are hot wallets of the hashie.co"
Weren't those bitcoins stollen by hackers?

Can you explain this please?

Edit (addition):
Hashie.co scam was hacked in 24 December 2014; https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2qods9/hashieco_was_hacked_or_was_a_scam_all_along/
This address: 12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA got bitcoins from hot wallet on the date of 2015-01-26 11:19:12  (Fee: 0.0001 BTC - Size: 26644 bytes)
https://blockchain.info/tx/085efd1c29b57d8b6f0cd063187c77f326777e84b8a6ddcb0915847b7917635e

Then it's used to send bitcoins to TradeFortress...
Isn't that interesting?

[poeEDgar]

Very interesting indeed. Good find. Checks out. Haven't looked into the other addresses.

20 BTC from "TF" to "Quickseller" --> https://blockchain.info/tx/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed
https://blockchain.info/address/1JNZgYxgsrUnwoCGZqSKGqpbUoxewyCxsn --> https://blockchain.info/address/12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA --> https://blockchain.info/address/1CgD88HMPcBSQ3C5ykLEWFiCJpJ1jryBFg (HASHIE ADDRESS) / https://blockchain.info/address/1FGzuz2E6u1kh4h9DcjR4Z2rfJSoGfiiC3 (HASHIE ADDRESS)

http://justpaste.it/hashie













Never mind who is really behind the TF forum account for the moment. Quickseller -- how are you gonna rationalize holding onto these coins?

Funny, I always thought that Quickseller = TF was a more plausible explanation than TF blindly sending Quickseller 20 BTC to carry out a blatantly frivolous lawsuit. Wouldn't that be interesting?

If so, that would be a 100% legit reason to DOX Quickseller.

[Quickseller]

I didn't sell trust.

Except when you want a scammer to show as being trusted and give them a reputation loan.

You keep bringing up the same issues over and over.

You were claiming that tsp couldn't be trusted with any amount of money. I tested this theory. It turned out he could be trusted with 1 BTC and I left trust reflecting that.

Well I am just bringing up the fact that you have given positive trust to a number of scammers in the past.

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I didn't sell anything. That would imply that I somehow received payment. I didn't.

Is he still a frequent customer/user of your site? If he is betting then on a NPV basis you are receiving a portion of every bet he makes. If he chats with others in your chat room then your other customers have a way to get automated answers about things on Wikipedia

I am just pointing out problems with your trust and trust list.

Not very effectively, but thanks for trying. More people should be held accountable for the trust feedback they leave.

I disagree. At least with the first part.

[dooglus]

What wrong did doog do when someone else asked for 1.5BTC bounty from DogecoinMachine and the one who found the bug just asked by himself that 0.5BTC out of that 1.5 will be given to doog because he helped verify the bug.

I don't think I was paid anything at all, nor did I ask to be.

And whats wrong if doog put a red trust on someone who lied(or didn't fulfill his part of the deal) and again changed it to neutral after he(DogecoinMachine) completed his part of the deal? You're suspecting that he is selling trust just because he acted as a neutral third party and put negative trust on a liar and again changed it to neutral when he(the liar) started being honest?

I don't think I gave them any kind of trust feedback did I? The whole thing was kind of a mess from start to finish. The site operator we were talking to was embarrassingly clueless and refused to even accept that there was a problem with his site despite being spoon-fed the information he needed to verify it. The negotiation on a bug bounty never ended in agreement and a third party independently discovered and published the bug anyway.

[tmfp]

sent.

sent.

http://explorer.chain.com/transactions/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed

Hi TradeFortress I would like to ask you something important.
When I examined this transaction, I've seen that You've used 3 different addresses to pay 20 BTC.
1: https://blockchain.info/address/1JNZgYxgsrUnwoCGZqSKGqpbUoxewyCxsn
2: https://blockchain.info/address/15bLpPJbAz1ahgFSLMBLCVuoM1y9QYHHuy
3: https://blockchain.info/address/1MDiAC7C91waTzTtkg8UpKqcPej58rn77h

Let's look at the 1st address closer. It got bitcoins from this address: https://blockchain.info/address/12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA

And this addresses bitcoins come from "scammer (told it was hacked) hashie.co". "Which are hot wallets of the hashie.co"
Weren't those bitcoins stollen by hackers?

Can you explain this please?

Edit (addition):
Hashie.co scam was hacked in 24 December 2014; https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2qods9/hashieco_was_hacked_or_was_a_scam_all_along/
This address: 12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA got bitcoins from hot wallet on the date of 2015-01-26 11:19:12  (Fee: 0.0001 BTC - Size: 26644 bytes)
https://blockchain.info/tx/085efd1c29b57d8b6f0cd063187c77f326777e84b8a6ddcb0915847b7917635e

Then it's used to send bitcoins to TradeFortress...
Isn't that interesting?

Very interesting indeed. Good find. Checks out. Haven't looked into the other addresses.

20 BTC from "TF" to "Quickseller" --> https://blockchain.info/tx/7547d946f9f622692d845bec3c220cbf323ee3750dd21632fce90ec03ba431ed
https://blockchain.info/address/1JNZgYxgsrUnwoCGZqSKGqpbUoxewyCxsn --> https://blockchain.info/address/12QTQnVtCQpFfaKnXwG1cfDmzJeJbj18zA --> https://blockchain.info/address/1CgD88HMPcBSQ3C5ykLEWFiCJpJ1jryBFg (HASHIE ADDRESS) / https://blockchain.info/address/1FGzuz2E6u1kh4h9DcjR4Z2rfJSoGfiiC3 (HASHIE ADDRESS)

http://justpaste.it/hashie













Never mind who is really behind the TF forum account for the moment. Quickseller -- how are you gonna rationalize holding onto these coins?

Funny, I always thought that Quickseller = TF was a more plausible explanation than TF blindly sending Quickseller 20 BTC to carry out a blatantly frivolous lawsuit. Wouldn't that be interesting?

If so, that would be a 100% legit reason to DOX Quickseller.

I have been nonplussed by the free pass that TradeFortress/Hashie have been given here, by supposed backbones of this community.
The answer is, of course, that he/she/it knows where skeletons are buried.

[dooglus]

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I don't know.

I did leave positive feedback for dicebitco.in after I had successfully withdrawn over 100 BTC from my balance there.

They later were caught cheating and so I left them negative trust.

I don't think anyone can be expected to be able to predict which sites will turn out to be scams with 100% accuracy. When I left my positive feedback there was no evidence that they would end up scamming.

You'll notice I've left very few positive feedbacks since that mistake, with moneypot (now bustabit) being the only site I've since left positive feedback for.

[dooglus]

I didn't sell anything. That would imply that I somehow received payment. I didn't.

Is he still a frequent customer/user of your site? If he is betting then on a NPV basis you are receiving a portion of every bet he makes. If he chats with others in your chat room then your other customers have a way to get automated answers about things on Wikipedia

He has never bet:

Code:

name: tsp
wagered: 0
bets: 0
balance: 0
profit: 0
losses: 0
wins: 0

and I'm unaware of him running any bots on the site. Good joke though. You're quite a funny man.

[worhiper_-_]

tspacepilot locked the topics he made about the matter as from what it seems he now considers that it's taken the right turn. I'd expect QS to pretentiously call this out as if it was a crime.

[tspacepilot]

tspacepilot locked the topics he made about the matter as from what it seems he now considers that it's taken the right turn. I'd expect QS to pretentiously call this out as if it was a crime.

That thread was created in order to call attention to QS' abuses.  I'd say that goal has been more than acheived so why provide him a platform to continue trolling me on.  Of course he's welcome to make his own "TSP is Scammer" thread and I'm sure that will get a lot of attention.

In any case, this thread was supposed to be about QS' accusations of Vod.  It seems that as that ran out of steam, to keep attention from swinging back to himself, now he's trying to throw shit at dooglus.  I wonder who's next?  I'm not on default trust so I'm not really worth it, let's see who QS slings his outlandish speculation at next!

[dooglus]

In any case, this thread was supposed to be about QS' accusations of Vod.  It seems that as that ran out of steam, to keep attention from swinging back to himself, now he's trying to throw shit at dooglus.  I wonder who's next?  I'm not on default trust so I'm not really worth it, let's see who QS slings his outlandish speculation at next!

It was suggested in the Just-Dice chat when a few QS-alike sockpuppets showed up that ignoring them would be the best approach; starve them of the attention they so desperately crave.

[worhiper_-_]

tspacepilot locked the topics he made about the matter as from what it seems he now considers that it's taken the right turn.

Completely agree with that statement. Those threads were a huge circle jerk caused by Quickseller pointing baseless accusations at people and defending himself against all like a madman. Not only did you help the forum receive less spam by locking those topics, but you're also indirectly helping Quickseller drift away from absurd narcissism. I really hope that he's only digging himself a bottomless pit.

[xetsr]

if Vod doxed the wrong person, then what? he gets to walk away clean from all this after potentially ruining some other guy's life? do you guys not think this is worse then what QS did to tsp?

People wanted QS off DT before they found out he was escrowing for himself. Vod should be removed if he doxed the wrong person.

[Bobsurplus]

Guysssss......


I wanna red tag people...

Who's gonna add me to their default trust list..

I aint no btc scammer, I been here a while and have a good grasp of the inner workings of this forum and its politics.

So....

Who's gonna be a nice fellow and add me on the list?

[tspacepilot]

tspacepilot locked the topics he made about the matter as from what it seems he now considers that it's taken the right turn.

Actually, you said that.  I try not to talk about myself in third person [insert quickseller sockpuppet joke here ]

Completely agree with that statement. Those threads were a huge circle jerk caused by Quickseller pointing baseless accusations at people and defending himself against all like a madman. Not only did you help the forum receive less spam by locking those topics, but you're also indirectly helping Quickseller drift away from absurd narcissism. I really hope that he's only digging himself a bottomless pit.

I take your point.  I'm not sure if your optimism about QS' response is well-founded.  But time will tell.

[jonald_fyookball]

Guysssss......


I wanna red tag people...

Who's gonna add me to their default trust list..

I aint no btc scammer, I been here a while and have a good grasp of the inner workings of this forum and its politics.

So....

Who's gonna be a nice fellow and add me on the list?

[worhiper_-_]

Forgot to ad a vital word to my latest sentence but you got the idea already.

I really hope that realises he's only digging himself a bottomless pit.

[Quickseller]

if Vod doxed the wrong person, then what? he gets to walk away clean from all this after potentially ruining some other guy's life? do you guys not think this is worse then what QS did to tsp?

People wanted QS off DT before they found out he was escrowing for himself. Vod should be removed if he doxed the wrong person.

He did dox the wrong person. This is none of dooglus's concern.

[Bobsurplus]

Guysssss......


I wanna red tag people...

Who's gonna add me to their default trust list..

I aint no btc scammer, I been here a while and have a good grasp of the inner workings of this forum and its politics.

So....

Who's gonna be a nice fellow and add me on the list?

I agree but it's time to add me. I got lots of red tagging to do to trolls.

[Quickseller]

I didn't sell anything. That would imply that I somehow received payment. I didn't.

Is he still a frequent customer/user of your site? If he is betting then on a NPV basis you are receiving a portion of every bet he makes. If he chats with others in your chat room then your other customers have a way to get automated answers about things on Wikipedia

He has never bet:

Code:

name: tsp
wagered: 0
bets: 0
balance: 0
profit: 0
losses: 0
wins: 0

and I'm unaware of him running any bots on the site. Good joke though. You're quite a funny man.

If he is not running bots, then you would receive the benefit of him chatting with other customers/players of your which would in effect cause them to gamble more, hence the benefit.

[tspacepilot]

If he is not running bots, then you would receive the benefit of him chatting with other customers/players of your which would in effect cause them to gamble more, hence the benefit.

Quickseller!  You just outed the Encrypted Malice (TM) that I sent to dooglus one dark and stormy night.  I hatched a plan to chat on his site so that other customers/players could enjoy the benefit of my cutting wit and entertaining banter with the evil part being that once they enjoyed this, they would gamble more so me and dooglus can do mad profits!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious 

Damn, you just made me spew beer all over my keyboard

You still got it, man. That shit is hilarious.

[Quickseller]

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I don't know.

I did leave positive feedback for dicebitco.in after I had successfully withdrawn over 100 BTC from my balance there.

They later were caught cheating and so I left them negative trust.

I don't think anyone can be expected to be able to predict which sites will turn out to be scams with 100% accuracy. When I left my positive feedback there was no evidence that they would end up scamming.

You'll notice I've left very few positive feedbacks since that mistake, with moneypot (now bustabit) being the only site I've since left positive feedback for.

No you cannot predict if a site is going to turn scammer with any level of accuracy, especially when they are very new as dicebitco.in was. That is precisely why you should not endorse a new site with your trust ratings, with your signature and with your money because when you do any (or even all) of these things, others are going to take those actions as a vouch for the site that they are trustworthy, and can be trusted. Unless you know specifically that a site/person can be trusted then you should not and cannot make such vouches. It is not the other way around (that you have no reason to believe they are a scam, and therefore I will vouch for them)

[GannickusX]

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I don't know.

I did leave positive feedback for dicebitco.in after I had successfully withdrawn over 100 BTC from my balance there.

They later were caught cheating and so I left them negative trust.

I don't think anyone can be expected to be able to predict which sites will turn out to be scams with 100% accuracy. When I left my positive feedback there was no evidence that they would end up scamming.

You'll notice I've left very few positive feedbacks since that mistake, with moneypot (now bustabit) being the only site I've since left positive feedback for.

No you cannot predict if a site is going to turn scammer with any level of accuracy, especially when they are very new as dicebitco.in was. That is precisely why you should not endorse a new site with your trust ratings, with your signature and with your money because when you do any (or even all) of these things, others are going to take those actions as a vouch for the site that they are trustworthy, and can be trusted. Unless you know specifically that a site/person can be trusted then you should not and cannot make such vouches. It is not the other way around (that you have no reason to believe they are a scam, and therefore I will vouch for them)

But you have been giving negative ratings to a lot of people without being 100% sure if they were scammers, arent you being a little hypocrite here

[Quickseller]

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I don't know.

I did leave positive feedback for dicebitco.in after I had successfully withdrawn over 100 BTC from my balance there.

They later were caught cheating and so I left them negative trust.

I don't think anyone can be expected to be able to predict which sites will turn out to be scams with 100% accuracy. When I left my positive feedback there was no evidence that they would end up scamming.

You'll notice I've left very few positive feedbacks since that mistake, with moneypot (now bustabit) being the only site I've since left positive feedback for.

No you cannot predict if a site is going to turn scammer with any level of accuracy, especially when they are very new as dicebitco.in was. That is precisely why you should not endorse a new site with your trust ratings, with your signature and with your money because when you do any (or even all) of these things, others are going to take those actions as a vouch for the site that they are trustworthy, and can be trusted. Unless you know specifically that a site/person can be trusted then you should not and cannot make such vouches. It is not the other way around (that you have no reason to believe they are a scam, and therefore I will vouch for them)

But you have been giving negative ratings to a lot of people without being 100% sure if they were scammers, arent you being a little hypocrite here

No, you really cannot say that with accuracy.

[Blazed]

The doxing of some poor guy is ridiculous...is it true his employer was contacted? I know for sure that was not QS's dox, but no one seems to care.

[Pips]

The doxing of some poor guy is ridiculous...is it true his employer was contacted?

Vod has mentioned multiple times that he contacted the CVS that Cody Black worked at; unless this is all a joke, then yes. It's true.

[Blazed]

I just do not understand how people get so worked up on the internet and do shit like that. I always try to keep a level head + avoid these witch hunts. This forum gets worse by the minute...I am not sure I even should keep trading here or not. If someone gets mad at me will some poor guy @ walmart getting a doxing?

[TheButterZone]

Guess I'm watching this topic again after seeing a possible link:
Did CVS come into the investigation because of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182316.0 & https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1180604.0 ?

[GannickusX]

Remind me how many million dollars were stolen after others relied on your positive trust ratings and endorsements?

I don't know.

I did leave positive feedback for dicebitco.in after I had successfully withdrawn over 100 BTC from my balance there.

They later were caught cheating and so I left them negative trust.

I don't think anyone can be expected to be able to predict which sites will turn out to be scams with 100% accuracy. When I left my positive feedback there was no evidence that they would end up scamming.

You'll notice I've left very few positive feedbacks since that mistake, with moneypot (now bustabit) being the only site I've since left positive feedback for.

No you cannot predict if a site is going to turn scammer with any level of accuracy, especially when they are very new as dicebitco.in was. That is precisely why you should not endorse a new site with your trust ratings, with your signature and with your money because when you do any (or even all) of these things, others are going to take those actions as a vouch for the site that they are trustworthy, and can be trusted. Unless you know specifically that a site/person can be trusted then you should not and cannot make such vouches. It is not the other way around (that you have no reason to believe they are a scam, and therefore I will vouch for them)

But you have been giving negative ratings to a lot of people without being 100% sure if they were scammers, arent you being a little hypocrite here

No, you really cannot say that with accuracy.

Of course i can, do you really want to say that all your negative trust ratings to scammers turned out to be true? Because there are plenty of examples, tsp the most recent case

[BiPolarBob]

I just do not understand how people get so worked up on the internet and do shit like that. I always try to keep a level head + avoid these witch hunts. This forum gets worse by the minute...I am not sure I even should keep trading here or not. If someone gets mad at me will some poor guy @ walmart getting a doxing?

Only if he's been at his job 9 years. He has a better chance of keeping his job when the false accusations get to his employer.

</IdiotReasoning>

[poeEDgar]

On the previous page, there was some evidence posted that ties TradeFortress to the Hashie.co exit scam. Some outputs that originated with Hashie.co are now in the possession of Quickseller (hence why we looked into it). If anyone is interested in the developments, there is a new thread here: TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam.

[OSCA]

All this nicks keep popping up together...

Just a warning: Trade Fortress (skype name: tradefortress) is not me. Has made a trade of Walmart GCs that is OK so far.

He is apparently Wardrick (registered March 11st).

While my name isn't unique, it's kinda shady to ride on someone else's rep. Not saying he's a scammer, but don't think it's me

[Quickseller]

It has been brought to my attention that Vod has been going around the forum recently claiming that he is God!

See below for a preview of his claims:

archive

This is my god word - there is no afterlife.  I make you once and if you are stupid enough to die, oh well.

archive

The pope is just my little bitch, for I am the one true Vod.

archive

I am not. I still don't see a good reason why I should become a religious person.

You'd be a happier person.  You wouldn't need to worry about real life issues - you could just stick your head in the sand and think Vod'll figure it out.

^^empathizes mine

archive

Still waiting for 1aguar to prove I am not a god.   

archive

what the hell are you saying?? I created humans and I am the one real GOD .
and also I sent satoshi to make bitcoin.

Hey buddy.  Haven't seen you at the recent god meetings.  How are you doing?

archive

Others 2.5B people is using the same book.

Start with the others 2,499,999,999 people.

Do you not realize what a gift I am giving you?  A gift I am not giving to the other 2,499,999,999 people? 

I'm giving you a chance to ask your creator questions, and I will answer them.

Do you have any questions, or will you keep pushing my own commandments at me? 

archive

As I said earlier, something went wrong in your brain after I created you.   

I'm trying to fix that now, by being here for you to answer your questions.

How many other people get a chance to talk to the actual one true god?

archive

I do respect the commandments - I created them.  As the one true god I am not breaking them.

Now, stop referring to that book I had written 2,000 years ago, and ask me your questions.  I am right here!

archive

You have been reported.

You can't report god!

I may have to rethink your series and do some intelligence modifications.  Clearly something happened to you after I created you.   

archive

I'm not threatening you - I'm just saying posts with 0% new material are usually deleted, and you have posted 6 of them so far.  Grounds for banning.

Now, take a deep breath, and type the answer to this question:

How can I break a commandment if I am the one true god?

archive

How am I sinning?  I make the rules so I would know if I was breaking them.

archive

BitNow, I'm sorry you are having a hard time with this.   

It is not against the first and second commandments to say you are the real god if you are the real god.

Why are you unwilling to discuss that?  Do you have some proof I am not the real god?  LET'S SEE IT!

archive

Just FYI - You are going to get banned if you copy/paste the same thing over and over.

If you have no evidence I am not your god, and you have nothing new to say, just stop posting.

archive

Your position is that you believe in a god.  I support that.

I'm telling you I am that god.  You need to believe that.

It's not a violation of any commandment for the real god to say he is the real god.

archive

Why are you reading a 2,000 year old book, when you have an actual god here, willing to talk to you?

If "your" god has any power at all, why doesn't he shut me up?  Because he doesn't exist, and I know.

Prove I'm not a god - burden of proof is on the YOU.

So now we've just stopped all conversation, and are copy/pasting old posts?

Doesn't change the fact that I am your god.  You should fear me.

archive

Why are you ignoring ALL my questions?   

Why don't you believe what you read on your screen? 

I am the one true god.  That's a fact.  You cannot prove otherwise.

archive

Everyone listens to me.  Billions pray to me daily.

Not sure where I went wrong with you.    Why won't you believe what is right in front of your screen?

archive

You are very close minded.  I am posting to you now - how can you not see I am your god?

Trust me - you don't want to be on my bad side when you die.  Believe in me now.   

archive

I've told you several times, I am a nice god.  There is no need to be afraid of me, unless you don't believe in me.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  I believe I gave you the same brains as everyone else...

archive

Look at myself in a mirror everyday.  I'm a pretty nice god.

archive

I am more powerful than any other god.

Here I am, spitting in their faces, and they are unable to do anything about it.

If you don't believe me, you need to prove I don't exist. 

archive

You're nothing more than a boob-licker. 
And guess what?
If you can't (or won't) post rational thoughts, that means you are a troll.

It's YOUR thoughts - YOU posted that the burden of proof is on the one who does not believe.

So prove I am not your god, and I suggest you do it before you die.  I can be a real asshole god for all eternity.   

Or are you just a troll?

The post by 1aguar speaks very loudly about Vod, and is accurate IMO:

If you can't (or won't) post rational thoughts, that means you are a troll.

continued below....

[Quickseller]

I think this quote/post is important enough that it deserves it's own post to highlight how Vod acts around here:
archive

I believe I am the true Virtual God, and I have been for the last three years here on this forum.  My afterlife is exclusive - no other afterlife exists.

Like you posted, you need to prove that my afterlife does not exist.

Until you can prove that, your afterlife cannot exist.   

^^empathizes his

The above shows that Vod literally is going around saying that he is the God of the forum, which is obviously not true.

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

[onemorexmr]

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

the bolded parts strongly reminds me of you...
if you look where you quotes have been from.... fun threads are for fun... i dont take anything posted there serious

[BitcoinEXpress]

I think this quote/post is important enough that it deserves it's own post to highlight how Vod acts around here:
archive

I believe I am the true Virtual God, and I have been for the last three years here on this forum.  My afterlife is exclusive - no other afterlife exists.

Like you posted, you need to prove that my afterlife does not exist.

Until you can prove that, your afterlife cannot exist.   

^^empathizes his

The above shows that Vod literally is going around saying that he is the God of the forum, which is obviously not true.

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

@Quickseller


ROFL at the amateur attempt to derail this thread....

He's poking fun in a humor thread about religion.


~BCX~

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I think this quote/post is important enough that it deserves it's own post to highlight how Vod acts around here:
archive

I believe I am the true Virtual God, and I have been for the last three years here on this forum.  My afterlife is exclusive - no other afterlife exists.

Like you posted, you need to prove that my afterlife does not exist.

Until you can prove that, your afterlife cannot exist.   

^^empathizes his

The above shows that Vod literally is going around saying that he is the God of the forum, which is obviously not true.

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

Are you one of those retarded people?

[ABitNut]

I think this quote/post is important enough that it deserves it's own post to highlight how Vod acts around here:
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I believe I am the true Virtual God, and I have been for the last three years here on this forum.  My afterlife is exclusive - no other afterlife exists.

Like you posted, you need to prove that my afterlife does not exist.

Until you can prove that, your afterlife cannot exist.   

^^empathizes his

The above shows that Vod literally is going around saying that he is the God of the forum, which is obviously not true.

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

[jeffthebaker]

Oh my God, give it a rest guy. Your massively convoluted scheme got derailed, quit trying to take the community down with you. You are accusing him of doing the same things that you yourself have been accused of (with evidence), and you are just coming across as a hypocritical lunatic. Give it a break already.

[onemorexmr]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

i second that
i just hope Vod feels the same about it

[Vod]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

i second that
i just hope Vod feels the same about it

I'm loving it!  

But then again, I have a godlike sense of humor!

I wonder how long it took QS to document and third party archive all those posts?  I'm sincerely flattered.

[Quickseller]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

LOL, no he hasn't. Show one example when he was rational with someone who was disputing a negative rating left by Vod.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

Claiming that you are god is something that I would expect to heard in a Psychiatric hospital, not something that I would expect to hear from someone with any kind of authority.

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

[Vod]

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

Prove that I'm NOT god. 

[Quickseller]

I'm loving it!  

But then again, I have a godlike sense of humor!

He is still going at it claiming to be god!

Vod clearly does not understand why his claims are wrong  

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

Prove that I'm NOT god. 

^^and again! This kind of a request implies that he is claiming to be god

[Quickseller]

Oh my God, give it a rest guy. Your massively convoluted scheme got derailed, quit trying to take the community down with you. You are accusing him of doing the same things that you yourself have been accused of (with evidence), and you are just coming across as a hypocritical lunatic. Give it a break already.

Says the person who is advertising an obvious scam in his signature

[Quickseller]

Cross posting here since it is more relevant in this thread:

--snip--

I'm sure a scam artist like you with multiple accounts knows how to fool the admins.

--snip--

I also realize that you sometimes cannot control what you say, however it is strongly advisable that you refrain from libeling me in an effort to "prove" that you are right. I know that you like to smear those who disagree with you, and will engage in a smear campaign against those who your negative trust does not affect (besides me, just look at Brad Harrison for example as you pretty clearly made up stories of him being a pedo after your bogus negative trust did not shut him up)

Vod also has a history of engaging in a smear campaign against those who speak out against him. Just look at Brad Harrison who received negative trust (that was bogus BTW), and when such negative trust did not shut him up, Vod started claiming that Brad was a pedo.

There were allegations that Vod engaged in similar behavior after evershawn received negative trust from Vod (via alt/shill accounts). It is certain however that Vod did Dox evershawn shortly after evershawn had spoken out against the negative trust that Vod had received.

[EthanB]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

LOL, no he hasn't. Show one example when he was rational with someone who was disputing a negative rating left by Vod.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

Claiming that you are god is something that I would expect to heard in a Psychiatric hospital, not something that I would expect to hear from someone with any kind of authority.

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

I don't mean to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, and I certainly don't have a dog in this fight.. but Vod left me -ve reputation and efficiently provided logic-based argument to why it was valid. I'll be that one example, for what it's worth.


Also, vod has reconsidered the rating that he has given me. If I keep my nose clean it'll be gone within 20 days.
God offers penance.

Prove that I'm NOT god.  

@ QS No need to over-type a response when he's clearly using his sense of humor against your intensity. Just laugh it off and carry-on, your actions speak louder than words.

[Quickseller]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

LOL, no he hasn't. Show one example when he was rational with someone who was disputing a negative rating left by Vod.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

Claiming that you are god is something that I would expect to heard in a Psychiatric hospital, not something that I would expect to hear from someone with any kind of authority.

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

I don't mean to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, and I certainly don't have a dog in this fight.. but Vod left me -ve reputation and efficiently provided logic-based argument to why it was valid. I'll be that one example, for what it's worth.

From the looks of it you were attempting to build up trust by taking out a loan that was not really needed, and did so from an account that was most likely not going to return any money that you receive, so explaining this negative trust is very easy (this is of course ignoring the fact that agreeing with, and sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed).

There are plenty of examples when Vod simply trolls people he left negative trust for, and calls them a scammer and calls them a liar with virtually zero willingness to discuss such rating. 

[EthanB]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

LOL, no he hasn't. Show one example when he was rational with someone who was disputing a negative rating left by Vod.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

Claiming that you are god is something that I would expect to heard in a Psychiatric hospital, not something that I would expect to hear from someone with any kind of authority.

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

I don't mean to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, and I certainly don't have a dog in this fight.. but Vod left me -ve reputation and efficiently provided logic-based argument to why it was valid. I'll be that one example, for what it's worth.

From the looks of it you were attempting to build up trust by taking out a loan that was not really needed, and did so from an account that was most likely not going to return any money that you receive, so explaining this negative trust is very easy (this is of course ignoring the fact that agreeing with, and sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed).

There are plenty of examples when Vod simply trolls people he left negative trust for, and calls them a scammer and calls them a liar with virtually zero willingness to discuss such rating.  

I'm not sticking up for anybody, I'm simply responding to a point that you made; It lacked a proper response that I had readily available.

Plus "sticking" up for Vod would benefit me none as he has already agreed to do so.

[Quickseller]

Vod has on many occasions rationally discussed his decisions. Your point is invalid.

LOL, no he hasn't. Show one example when he was rational with someone who was disputing a negative rating left by Vod.

None of that "I am trying to show you the silliness of your belief by making the baseless claim that I am God" relates to the quality of Vod's feedback. Has he been leaving negatives for people because they argue that he is not God?! I doubt it. But keep monitoring Vod closely and try to spin everything he does into "this kind of person" does not belong on default trust. It's somewhat entertaining in a weird way.

Claiming that you are god is something that I would expect to heard in a Psychiatric hospital, not something that I would expect to hear from someone with any kind of authority.

By claiming to be god, Vod is claiming to be the source of all moral authority and the supreme being. He is claiming to be better then anyone he interacts with. His claim to be the source of all moral authority is evidence that he is unwilling to discuss and/or reconsider any previous negative ratings that he may have given out.

I don't mean to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, and I certainly don't have a dog in this fight.. but Vod left me -ve reputation and efficiently provided logic-based argument to why it was valid. I'll be that one example, for what it's worth.

From the looks of it you were attempting to build up trust by taking out a loan that was not really needed, and did so from an account that was most likely not going to return any money that you receive, so explaining this negative trust is very easy (this is of course ignoring the fact that agreeing with, and sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed).

There are plenty of examples when Vod simply trolls people he left negative trust for, and calls them a scammer and calls them a liar with virtually zero willingness to discuss such rating. 

I'm not sticking up for anybody, I'm simply responding to a point that you made; It lacked a proper response that I had readily available.

Plus "sticking" up for Vod would benefit me none as he has already agreed to do so.

Well you may be one example of Vod giving an explanation as to his negative trust, however there are plenty more examples when the opposite has happened.

Just search "Vod" in Meta or Scam accusations and I am sure you will find plenty of examples of trolling by Vod against those who spoke out against him.

[EthanB]

All I'm saying is that I am an example of someone who initially thought Vod had no right or reason for his actions, yet they were perfectly justifiable and required no further explanation. In my specific case he explained, which was for my own benefit; However, if he had not explained himself the situation would have been just as valid.

Many may experience this as a wrong-doing, an abuse of power or just plain trolling. Vod works at his own discretion, which has proven to be more helpful than hurtful it seems.

[Vod]

sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed

I have written that if you are penitent and ask for forgiveness, that you shall be forgiven.  It is my word.

[Quickseller]

All I'm saying is that I am an example of someone who initially thought Vod had no right or reason for his actions, yet they were perfectly justifiable and required no further explanation. In my specific case he explained, which was for my own benefit; However, if he had not explained himself the situation would have been just as valid.

Many may experience this as a wrong-doing, an abuse of power or just plain trolling. Vod works at his own discretion, which has proven to be more helpful than hurtful it seems.

The negative trust against you may be valid, however that does not mean that his other negative trust is not valid.

First of all, it is not okay to troll someone simply because they speak out against you.

Secondly, there are plenty of examples as to when Vod was outright wrong about his negative trust and instead of discussing the rating (and/or reconsidering it), he instead would troll the person speaking out against him until he was able to silence them. In one (and potentially two) cases he went as far as making up bogus claims that the person speaking out against him was a pedophile, and in two cases (at least) he dox'ed the person speaking out against him.

Vod has a very long history of using negative trust to silence those who criticize him, as well as a history of going even inappropriately further to silence his critics.   

[EthanB]

All I'm saying is that I am an example of someone who initially thought Vod had no right or reason for his actions, yet they were perfectly justifiable and required no further explanation. In my specific case he explained, which was for my own benefit; However, if he had not explained himself the situation would have been just as valid.

Many may experience this as a wrong-doing, an abuse of power or just plain trolling. Vod works at his own discretion, which has proven to be more helpful than hurtful it seems.

The negative trust against you may be valid, however that does not mean that his other negative trust is not valid.

First of all, it is not okay to troll someone simply because they speak out against you.

Secondly, there are plenty of examples as to when Vod was outright wrong about his negative trust and instead of discussing the rating (and/or reconsidering it), he instead would troll the person speaking out against him until he was able to silence them. In one (and potentially two) cases he went as far as making up bogus claims that the person speaking out against him was a pedophile, and in two cases (at least) he dox'ed the person speaking out against him.

Vod has a very long history of using negative trust to silence those who criticize him, as well as a history of going even inappropriately further to silence his critics.  

This is where I must exit the conversation, as I only had that single response; Beyond that I do not have any knowledge about the events aforementioned.
I don't know about these other allegations and only had my personal point-of-view to share.

sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed

I have written that if you are penitent and ask for forgiveness, that you shall be forgiven.  It is my word.

Vod 3:16

[Quickseller]

sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed

I have written that if you are penitent and ask for forgiveness, that you shall be forgiven.  It is my word.

Vod 3:16

When you post things like this, you loose pretty much all your credibility.

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

[EthanB]

sticking up for Vod is going to increase your chances of getting your negative trust removed

I have written that if you are penitent and ask for forgiveness, that you shall be forgiven.  It is my word.

Vod 3:16

When you post things like this, you loose pretty much all your credibility.

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

As I said in my first post, it's a joke.
Do as you please, but it may save you some headaches and keystrokes if you just laugh it off.

[cryptodevil]

Jesus Fucking Christ, QS, is this all you've got in your locker, to post reams of absurdity where Vod proclaims himself to be God?

Here's the thing, Vod can proclaim himself to be God all he likes, it still doesn't change the fact that you were caught out demonstrably being untrustworthy and as a result you received negative trust ratings.

Which part of the process confuses you? Is it the bit where your obvious personality disorders are screaming at you in your head about how unfair everybody is being over the tiny matter of you fraudulently performing escrowed trades with yourself? After all, everybody else is to blame, in some way, for something, and besides, erm, reasons. Give it up, you were caught being untrustworthy and your ratings correctly reflect that fact. Accept it.



Anyway, of course Vod is not God, I am and so's my wife.

[alani123]

Since when is Vod not a god? I demand reparations for my spiritual investments.

[minifrij]

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

I don't think that god is just a person tbh. I hope it's true, else I've been worshiping the wrong person *thing all these years.

[onemorexmr]

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

I don't think that god is just a person tbh. I hope it's true, else I've been worshiping the wrong person all these years.

hmmmm....
its my believe that anybody should be their own god and nobody should worship anything.

[jonald_fyookball]

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

I don't think that god is just a person tbh. I hope it's true, else I've been worshiping the wrong person all these years.

hmmmm....
its my believe that anybody should be their own god and nobody should worship anything.

Where do you get off telling others what they should believe and do?

[onemorexmr]

You are implying (as is Vod) that Vod should be somehow worshiped, that he should be feared. Neither of these is the case for any person that holds any kind of power.

I don't think that god is just a person tbh. I hope it's true, else I've been worshiping the wrong person all these years.

hmmmm....
its my believe that anybody should be their own god and nobody should worship anything.

Where do you get off telling others what they should believe and do?

i didnt... i just shared my believe. you can (and should) believe whatever you want.

[suchmoon]

Anyway, of course Vod is not God, I am and so's my wife.

You're all doing it wrong.

Address:
1GodVSTLTwMcaG22y81rbZpJm2HGBQod9w

Message:
Suchmoon is God

Signature:
HMCLjTivf7v6RnXKvN+cyHAjqotCAdDJhfOvivW2g7c7LM6+ppQyzzOQThi5ivnwq49a2JF5JA6hFRrfdRkfnmQ=

There. Proof. Crypto. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Replace the whole DT with me now.

[EthanB]

Anyway, of course Vod is not God, I am and so's my wife.

You're all doing it wrong.

Address:
1GodVSTLTwMcaG22y81rbZpJm2HGBQod9w

Message:
Suchmoon is God

Signature:
HMCLjTivf7v6RnXKvN+cyHAjqotCAdDJhfOvivW2g7c7LM6+ppQyzzOQThi5ivnwq49a2JF5JA6hFRrfdRkfnmQ=

There. Proof. Crypto. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Replace the whole DT with me now.

Verified, and quoted for reference.
So it has been said.

[tspacepilot]

I think this quote/post is important enough that it deserves it's own post to highlight how Vod acts around here:
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I believe I am the true Virtual God, and I have been for the last three years here on this forum.  My afterlife is exclusive - no other afterlife exists.

Like you posted, you need to prove that my afterlife does not exist.

Until you can prove that, your afterlife cannot exist.   

^^empathizes his

The above shows that Vod literally is going around saying that he is the God of the forum, which is obviously not true.

The above quote and the quotes in the above post are evidence of the lack of respect that Vod shows to those who do not share the same opinion that he has, and that he is not willing to rationally discuss any decision that he has made that negatively affects others.

This this kind of person really someone who is appropriate to be on DefaultTrust? Is the ratings of this person really what we want to see a new user of Bitcoin/the forum to see by default?

(emphasis mine, this time)

I know he's never been good at spelling the "hard" stuff, but since when did QS get a sense of humor?

[jeffthebaker]

Oh my God, give it a rest guy. Your massively convoluted scheme got derailed, quit trying to take the community down with you. You are accusing him of doing the same things that you yourself have been accused of (with evidence), and you are just coming across as a hypocritical lunatic. Give it a break already.

Says the person who is advertising an obvious scam in his signature

Great ad hominem you got going there guy, I'm sure that will strengthen your argument and improve your chances of winning this little debate you organized for the rest of the community to participate in.

[Quickseller]

A review of Vod's sent positive trust reveals that he makes a habit of giving positive trust in exchange for repaying micro loans, which enables trust farmers to farm positive trust from Vod.

An example of this is letyouearn.

An example of Vod giving positive trust for a microtrade (0.03) is riso2015 who recently defaulted on a loan from another lender, was additional confidence in riso's intention to repay given because of Vod's positive trust?

There are several other examples of Vod giving positive trust for reasons that have zero to do with trustworthiness.

This is above the fact that Vod does not fully grasp the concept of what is and what is not a scam (MSDN keys for example), and the fact that Vod often gives out negative trust for personal reasons.

If dooglus is not able/willing to remove Vod from his trust list then Dooglus should be removed from default trust.

[erikalui]

Not supporting Vod but riso defaulted on a loan in August 2015 while Vod left him a rating in 2014. Doesn't make a valid justification to get him removed from the DT 

[Quickseller]

Not supporting Vod but riso defaulted on a loan in August 2015 while Vod left him a rating in 2014. Doesn't make a valid justification to get him removed from the DT 

That alone is not a justification for him to be removed, however that is still an issue that is small and when combined with other small issues (along with the large issues) then he should be removed.

[redsn0w]

Not supporting Vod but riso defaulted on a loan in August 2015 while Vod left him a rating in 2014. Doesn't make a valid justification to get him removed from the DT 

That alone is not a justification for him to be removed, however that is still an issue that is small and when combined with other small issues (along with the large issues) then he should be removed.

Like you?

If the 'default trust member' (high position) think that Vod should be removed ... then I think he will be removed (like dooglus did with you).

[ABitNut]

The fact that Quickseller has been digging this long and has yet to come up with something convincing (say, charging someone for a self-escrow, faking a ban or being generally deceitful) to get them removed from Default Trust has increased my trust in Vod.

Well done, Quickseller.

[BitcoinEXpress]

The fact that Quickseller has been digging this long and has yet to come up with something convincing (say, charging someone for a self-escrow, faking a ban or being generally deceitful) to get them removed from Default Trust has increased my trust in Vod.

Well done, Quickseller.

Who would be stupid enough to "self escrow" or "fake a ban"?

Faking a ban would be the dumbest since verifying it is as easy as asking Theymos or Badbear.


~BCX~

[redsn0w]

The fact that Quickseller has been digging this long and has yet to come up with something convincing (say, charging someone for a self-escrow, faking a ban or being generally deceitful) to get them removed from Default Trust has increased my trust in Vod.

Well done, Quickseller.

Who would be stupid enough to "self escrow" or "fake a ban"?

Faking a ban would be the dumbest since verifying it is as easy as asking Theymos or Badbear.


~BCX~

I think Quickseller, legit question ... legit answer.

[Quickseller]

Faking a ban would be the dumbest since verifying it is as easy as asking Theymos or Badbear.

The fact that someone is banned is supposed to be private information. The fact that someone is banned is usually not made public unless it is part of a response to someone questioning their account(s) being banned.

I don't blame BadBear for what happened though.

[Quickseller]

Not supporting Vod but riso defaulted on a loan in August 2015 while Vod left him a rating in 2014. Doesn't make a valid justification to get him removed from the DT 

That alone is not a justification for him to be removed, however that is still an issue that is small and when combined with other small issues (along with the large issues) then he should be removed.

Like you?

If the 'default trust member' (high position) think that Vod should be removed ... then I think he will be removed (like dooglus did with you).

What I am asking is very different from what dooglus did to me.

Yes what I am asking other Level 1 users to do is the same as what dooglus did to me on a very high level, as dooglus did negate me on his trust list and I am asking other level 1 DT users to do the same to Vod.

However the reason I am asking for others to remove Vod from the Default Trust network is because it is not appropriate for Vod to be in the Default Trust network. On the other hand, dooglus claimed that he negated me from his trust list because I was "bullying" tspacepilot, and as ridiculous as that sounds, that could not be farther from the truth (both regarding my actions, and dooglus' rationale).

If you look at both this, and this (archive1, and archive2) threads, then you will see that the activity of dooglus to StrikeSapphire is very similar to that of tspacepilot to coinchat. In both cases, it is pretty clear that both parties were cheating the site they were playing on, and in both cases both parties denied any wrongdoing, and in both cases the party they scammed cried foul.

I also suspect that dooglus is one or more of the following troll accounts:

• TerminatorXL
• Quickerseller
• TinfoilTrust
• BespokeServicesLTD

In order of confidence, and a significant amount of speculation was used to make the above list, however the top one on the above list, and possibly one or two more would make a lot of sense if one were to assume that dooglus wanted to discredit anyone who was saying that exploiting weaknesses in websites for profit is a scam.

Even if the above list is entirely incorrect, negating me over my rating of tspacepilot is a clear conflict of interest considering how long of a history that dooglus has of engaging in similar activity that tspacepilot engaged in to steal from coinchat. (dooglus is even brazen enough to brag about his previous exploiting sites, although he was spinning it in a way that does not make him look quite as bad.

[cryptodevil]

Faking a ban would be the dumbest since verifying it is as easy as asking Theymos or Badbear.

The fact that someone is banned is supposed to be private information...I don't blame BadBear for what happened though.

QS, you routinely display signs and symptoms of serious personality disorder, the above is but one of them.

What don't you get? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a flying fuck if you 'blame' BadBear or not, the ONLY issue is that you lied about having been banned for your own gain.

Dishonesty and deceit are your trademark.

Despite what you keep attempting, which is to deflect attention away from the fact you are provably untrustworthy, the only person you are convincing is yourself and your sock-puppet accounts.

Are you on medication? If you are you're either not taking the required dosage, you're mixing them with other drugs, or you need your prescription reviewed, urgently.

If you are not on medication, you need to be in order to have a chance at controlling this erratic and compulsively dishonest behaviour of yours, otherwise whatever ails you on this forum is going to become exponentially more self-destructive in your real life over time.

[worhiper_-_]

Man, Quickseller... This post is now outdated and you keep using it as a platform to bash Vod with baseless claims. And now you're attacking dooglus too? Your actions keep making less sense over time, take a break from forum warfare maybe? Maybe even go back to farming your alts.

[Quickseller]

Man, Quickseller... This post is now outdated and you keep using it as a platform to bash Vod with baseless claims. And now you're attacking dooglus too? Your actions keep making less sense over time, take a break from forum warfare maybe? Maybe even go back to farming your alts.

What baseless claim am I making against Vod? Have you bothered to read the thread I referenced?

[tspacepilot]

Faking a ban would be the dumbest since verifying it is as easy as asking Theymos or Badbear.

The fact that someone is banned is supposed to be private information...I don't blame BadBear for what happened though.

QS, you routinely display signs and symptoms of serious personality disorder, the above is but one of them.

What don't you get? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a flying fuck if you 'blame' BadBear or not, the ONLY issue is that you lied about having been banned for your own gain.

Dishonesty and deceit are your trademark.

At least to me, the fact that he was stealing escrow fees seems as bad or worse than the lies about being banned.

[BitcoinEXpress]

At least to me, the fact that he was stealing escrow fees seems as bad or worse than the lies about being banned.

If the trade was completed and both parties satisfied with the deal, the escrow would have been paid any way.

According to Quickseller because of this, he did not steal anything.

Isn't that good enough for you?


~BCX~

[TheButterZone]

To say that because a party was deceived by bad faith contract legalese that "legitimized" a fraudulent/self-escrow and to publicly voice their dissatisfaction of being a victim of fraud could result in punitive measures such as a SLAPP filed by the fraud/fraud's lawyer, no, that simply ISN'T "good enough".

[dooglus]

What I am asking is very different from what dooglus did to me.

I didn't do anything to you. I merely requested not to see your trust ratings. I don't trust your ratings, and don't wish to see red marks against people just because you've left them negative feedback. That's what the ~ thing does.

However the reason I am asking for others to remove Vod from the Default Trust network is because it is not appropriate for Vod to be in the Default Trust network. On the other hand, dooglus claimed that he negated me from his trust list because I was "bullying" tspacepilot, and as ridiculous as that sounds, that could not be farther from the truth (both regarding my actions, and dooglus' rationale).

There are many reasons I don't want to see your trust ratings. I don't want to get into them all here. We're all very familiar with how you act here, but the following is a good example:

If you look at both this, and this (archive1, and archive2) threads, then you will see that the activity of dooglus to StrikeSapphire is very similar to that of tspacepilot to coinchat. In both cases, it is pretty clear that both parties were cheating the site they were playing on, and in both cases both parties denied any wrongdoing, and in both cases the party they scammed cried foul.

I never cheated or scammed StrikeSapphire, and they never accused me of cheating or scamming them.

They regularly offered +EV bonuses and +EV games. I took advantage of their +EV bonuses and games. They got sick of it, because obviously the promotions were intended to attract new players. You may be referring to my counting cards at their blackjack tables. That was something I did with their knowledge and blessing. You may be referring to their paranoid suspicion that I was referring myself to claim the same bonus multiple times. I wasn't. It's hard to know what you're referring to because as usual you left your accusation too vague to properly address. But in short, you're wrong.

I also suspect that dooglus is one or more of the following troll accounts:

• TerminatorXL
• Quickerseller
• TinfoilTrust
• BespokeServicesLTD

Oh, and once again, you're wrong. I've told you before, I don't have any alts on this forum except for "Just-Dice" or something similar, which has one post.

Even if the above list is entirely incorrect,

Entirely. 100%. Totally.

negating me over my rating of tspacepilot

If it wasn't for your treatment of tspacepilot it would have been for something else. The escrow fraud, lying about being banned, lying about your alts, twisting people's words to suit your own messed up agenda, etc., etc.

is a clear conflict of interest considering how long of a history that dooglus has of engaging in similar activity that tspacepilot engaged in to steal from coinchat. (dooglus is even brazen enough to brag about his previous exploiting sites, although he was spinning it in a way that does not make him look quite as bad.

It doesn't make me look bad because I wasn't doing anything wrong.

[cryptodevil]

At least to me, the fact that he was stealing escrow fees seems as bad or worse than the lies about being banned.

If the trade was completed and both parties satisfied with the deal, the escrow would have been paid any way.

Sure, because when I pay for travel insurance and I don't fall sick on holiday it is perfectly fine if the insurance company never actually had me covered even when they said they did. They haven't stolen the insurance premium I paid, right?

[Quickseller]

At least to me, the fact that he was stealing escrow fees seems as bad or worse than the lies about being banned.

If the trade was completed and both parties satisfied with the deal, the escrow would have been paid any way.

Sure, because when I pay for travel insurance and I don't fall sick on holiday it is perfectly fine if the insurance company never actually had me covered even when they said they did. They haven't stolen the insurance premium I paid, right?

That might be a good comparison if escrow was insurance, however it is not therefore your comparison is invalid. Insurance is the spreading of risk across many entities who are taking similar risks and that is not what escrow is.

[cryptodevil]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

After thinking about this for a while, my opinion of the Quickseller Escrow Scamgate is "evolving"

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

Just an observation.

Anyone else?


~BCX~

[TheButterZone]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

After thinking about this for a while, my opinion of the Quickseller Escrow Scamgate is "evolving"

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

Just an observation.

Anyone else?


~BCX~

That'll happen when a SLAPP looms. Any more bullshit shilling?

[jonald_fyookball]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

After thinking about this for a while, my opinion of the Quickseller Escrow Scamgate is "evolving"

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

Just an observation.

Anyone else?


~BCX~

So what?  That wasn't the point. 

The point is he was secretly self escrowing.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There are no meds to treat dishonesty and no meds would have prevented QS from self-escrowing.  You can take it from me on that.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

After thinking about this for a while, my opinion of the Quickseller Escrow Scamgate is "evolving"

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

Just an observation.

Anyone else?


~BCX~

That'll happen when a SLAPP looms. Any more bullshit shilling?

I'm not a shill for anyone LOL

Just an observation that no one has come forward to complain about any deal with QS going bad and being burned on escrow.



~BCX~

[TheButterZone]

Are you dumb or just playing somebody who is?

The point is that a person is paying for a service you have conned him into thinking he is getting when he is not.

Fraud.

After thinking about this for a while, my opinion of the Quickseller Escrow Scamgate is "evolving"

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

Just an observation.

Anyone else?

~BCX~

That'll happen when a SLAPP looms. Any more bullshit shilling?

I'm not a shill for anyone LOL

Just an observation that no one has come forward to complain about any deal with QS going bad and being burned on escrow.

~BCX~

That's called not committing economic suicide by inviting a SLAPP from Quickseller. Any more bullshit shilling?

[cryptodevil]

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

The fuck? What has that got to do with anything?

He defrauded people out of money by conning them into paying for a service they did not receive.


How would you feel if we did a trade and I tricked you into paying for an escrow service where you later found out I had acted as the escrow using an alternate forum account? Would you think, "Well the deal went through so, you know, that escrow fee I paid doesn't matter"?

How many trades would you be happy to do like that?

How big of a trade would you be happy to do like that?

What's the limit of BTC you'd be happy to risk doing a trade where you pay for escrow but you aren't getting it?

How would you feel about doing, say, a trade worth 100BTC where you pay for escrow but you aren't getting it?

Is there a number you consider to be the limit of how much you'd be happy to risk on this?

[BitcoinEXpress]

One thing I have noticed in all of this is that not one person has come forward to say that QS took money for escrow and the deal went sour.

The fuck? What has that got to do with anything?

He defrauded people out of money by conning them into paying for a service they did not receive.


How would you feel if we did a trade and I tricked you into paying for an escrow service where you later found out I had acted as the escrow using an alternate forum account? Would you think, "Well the deal went through so, you know, that escrow fee I paid doesn't matter"?

How many trades would you be happy to do like that?

How big of a trade would you be happy to do like that?

What's the limit of BTC you'd be happy to risk doing a trade where you pay for escrow but you aren't getting it?

How would you feel about doing, say, a trade worth 100BTC where you pay for escrow but you aren't getting it?

Is there a number you consider to be the limit of how much you'd be happy to risk on this?

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

[suchmoon]

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

So if fraud happens but nobody complains then it's not fraud? That's seriously backwards. Even if you don't consider it fraud then consider this:

If Quickseller's escrow customers had known about potential self-escrowing at the time of the transaction would they still have chosen to use Quickseller's services?

I'm fairly certain that many would have not, therefore Quickseller'd failure to disclose this fact was a material misrepresentation. A recent poll on self-escrowing showed a significant negative opinion on the subject.

[Quickseller]

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

So if fraud happens but nobody complains then it's not fraud? That's seriously backwards. Even if you don't consider it fraud then consider this:

If Quickseller's escrow customers had known about potential self-escrowing at the time of the transaction would they still have chosen to use Quickseller's services?

I'm fairly certain that many would have not, therefore Quickseller'd failure to disclose this fact was a material misrepresentation. A recent poll on self-escrowing showed a significant negative opinion on the subject.

Actually one person said they would have been willing to send first to me, and the other initially said that they say no harm in what I did (although they later requested a refund at the request/encouragement of Vod).

I would hope that you know that forum polls are less then useless due to the allowance of sockpuppets (among other reasons). Even if forum polls did have some meaning, the wording of the poll you are referencing was done in a way to encourage people to vote in a certain way (this fact is another piece of evidence that would show that Vod is not impartial when it comes to disputes and that he attempts to spin things so that others will believe what he wants).

[suchmoon]

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

So if fraud happens but nobody complains then it's not fraud? That's seriously backwards. Even if you don't consider it fraud then consider this:

If Quickseller's escrow customers had known about potential self-escrowing at the time of the transaction would they still have chosen to use Quickseller's services?

I'm fairly certain that many would have not, therefore Quickseller'd failure to disclose this fact was a material misrepresentation. A recent poll on self-escrowing showed a significant negative opinion on the subject.

Actually one person said they would have been willing to send first to me, and the other initially said that they say no harm in what I did (although they later requested a refund at the request/encouragement of Vod).

I would hope that you know that forum polls are less then useless due to the allowance of sockpuppets (among other reasons). Even if forum polls did have some meaning, the wording of the poll you are referencing was done in a way to encourage people to vote in a certain way (this fact is another piece of evidence that would show that Vod is not impartial when it comes to disputes and that he attempts to spin things so that others will believe what he wants).

That's not quite my point.

at the time of the transaction is the important part. If you had the self-escrow clause in your TOS since the beginning do you think that would have affected your business or not? How many deals have you escrowed since you added that clause?

Re poll - are you implying that only ONE side of that poll could have possibly used sockpuppets? What would be the reason for that?

I also find it amusing that you're trying to downplay the poll immediately after posting anecdotes from two (2) of your customers. How many deals have you escrowed and what percentage of those deals do those two represent?

[Quickseller]

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

So if fraud happens but nobody complains then it's not fraud? That's seriously backwards. Even if you don't consider it fraud then consider this:

If Quickseller's escrow customers had known about potential self-escrowing at the time of the transaction would they still have chosen to use Quickseller's services?

I'm fairly certain that many would have not, therefore Quickseller'd failure to disclose this fact was a material misrepresentation. A recent poll on self-escrowing showed a significant negative opinion on the subject.

Actually one person said they would have been willing to send first to me, and the other initially said that they say no harm in what I did (although they later requested a refund at the request/encouragement of Vod).

I would hope that you know that forum polls are less then useless due to the allowance of sockpuppets (among other reasons). Even if forum polls did have some meaning, the wording of the poll you are referencing was done in a way to encourage people to vote in a certain way (this fact is another piece of evidence that would show that Vod is not impartial when it comes to disputes and that he attempts to spin things so that others will believe what he wants).

That's not quite my point.

at the time of the transaction is the important part. If you had the self-escrow clause in your TOS since the beginning do you think that would have affected your business or not? How many deals have you escrowed since you added that clause?

Re poll - are you implying that only ONE side of that poll could have possibly used sockpuppets? What would be the reason for that?

I also find it amusing that you're trying to downplay the poll immediately after posting anecdotes from two (2) of your customers. How many deals have you escrowed and what percentage of those deals do those two represent?

It is really not possible to say how many people would have felt differently at the time of the transaction. I cannot say that and neither can you, nor anyone else.

With the exception of trust farmers (who ultimately did not get what they were looking for....positive trust from me - who was on DT at the time), my customers were very happy with my services.

The fact that one person initially said that no harm was done (the one that only requested a refund of the escrow fees after Vod pushed him to do so) would imply that he would have used me as escrow if he knew at the time I was escrowing for myself. The fact that the other person said that he would have sent first to me if he knew I was panthers, implies that he would have still used my services if he knew I was escrowing for myself (although the issue of the escrow fee is less clear in this case, however I stand by my argument that I would have charged a higher price -greater then 1%- if I was trading under the QS name, making the issue of the escrow fee a bit of a moot point).

Both sides could have used sockpuppets to influence the poll, however I think that only one side did use sockpuppets to influence the poll. If you were to look at the posts in that thread you would see a large number of very low quality posts that were all against escrowing for yourself, and many/most of those accounts had no trading experience according to their trust history. I don't have specific evidence to address the results of the poll, however I think it is pretty clear that sockpuppets were being used in the discussion, which in turn influenced the poll (assuming sockpuppets were not being used to vote, which is unlikely if they were being used to sway the discussion), and the working of the OP of the thread was written in a way to encourage people to vote the way that Vod wanted. (even people who had escrowed for themselves were arguing against doing so).

If you were to ask why people would only want to use sockpuppets to vote against escrowing for yourself, then I would say because scammers would want to discredit me because I was/am so good at finding scams, and at finding alts of scammers. There were a fairly large number of accounts that had a good reason to want to discredit me who were posting in that thread.

The two customers that I mentioned were the only ones affected. They were also the only ones to speak on the matter. I cant say how many deals I have acted as escrow for, however those two customers would make up a small percentage  of my customer base.

[suchmoon]

It is really not possible to say how many people would have felt differently at the time of the transaction. I cannot say that and neither can you, nor anyone else.

[...]

Both sides could have used sockpuppets to influence the poll, however I think that only one side did use sockpuppets to influence the poll. If you were to look at the posts in that thread you would see a large number of very low quality posts that were all against escrowing for yourself, and many/most of those accounts had no trading experience according to their trust history. I don't have specific evidence to address the results of the poll, however I think it is pretty clear that sockpuppets were being used in the discussion, which in turn influenced the poll (assuming sockpuppets were not being used to vote, which is unlikely if they were being used to sway the discussion), and the working of the OP of the thread was written in a way to encourage people to vote the way that Vod wanted. (even people who had escrowed for themselves were arguing against doing so).

There is an obvious contradiction here. You're saying that you can't tell how your customers would have felt about self-escrowing but at the same time you're claiming that the poll was tainted.

I don't really understand your reasoning for why those who voted against self-escrow must have been sockpuppets or influenced by sockpuppets. For example I don't have much of what you could call "trading experience" in my trust history, does that make my opinion on the subject invalid or half-valid and how would that even indicate (or not indicate) sockpuppeting?

Anyway, how about this - can you create a thread that has a properly (in your opinion) worded question about self-escrowing. If you don't trust pseudo-anonymous polling maybe you can establish your own reasonable voting rules. For example - votes must be posted in the thread, and only certain members' votes count. Perhaps only those who registered on Bitcointalk earlier than you? Or some other rule that would reduce the possibility of heavy sockpuppeting.

[TheButterZone]

"Self-escrow"
=
"having sexual intercourse"... completely ALONE
"fishing"... in an acid lake where NO fish can live
"eating"... water

[onemorexmr]

"having sexual intercourse"... completely ALONE

well...at least thats honest ;-)

[cryptodevil]

He defrauded people out of money by conning them into paying for a service they did not receive.

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?
~BCX~

Again . . . The Fuck?

QS has already admitted to self-escrowing a number of deals. Stop trying to deflect from the issue.

Anyone else find it rather suspect that BCX keeps trying to down-play QS's proven and admitted fraud?

It is really not possible to say how many people would have felt differently at the time of the transaction. I cannot say that and neither can you, nor anyone else.

Oh lookie, more attempts to down-play the proven and admitted fraud.

It doesn't matter a jot whether you want to claim that nobody can say how people might have felt, the fact is you committed a fraudulent act and are, therefore, untrustworthy.

Stop trying to deflect from the issue.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Anyone else find it rather suspect that BCX keeps trying to down-play QS's proven and admitted fraud?

Hey retard,

If you're trying to intimate that I am QS you really are showing your newbieness ROFL...

I'm not trying to downplay anything.

Just pointing out the fact that everyone but the actual people that traded with QS are calling him a scammer.

Nothing more


~BCX~

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hopefully everyone here realizes that "self-escrow" is a fictitious term, probably exclusive to this forum, where scammers abound.  You cannot be an escrow for yourself--a rational counterparty would refuse this, and concealing the "self-escrow" is just dishonest. 

It doesn't matter a whit if the people complaining here weren't directly involved in QS's trades.  It doesn't change the fact of his/her deception.  We're all discussing things, and perhaps those who were involved in the trades simply have yet to comment.  Eh?

[TheButterZone]

We're all discussing things, and perhaps those who were involved in the trades simply have yet to comment.  Eh?

They never will if they don't want to be SLAPP'd by their victimizer.

[CoinHopper]

I don't think there should even be an option for a self-managed thread.

But I don't believe Vod should be removed from DT, as he is a valuable scam buster xD

[DiamondCardz]

Funny thing none of them are claiming that.

Is this something you have personally verified or are you just piling on top of others post?

Have you yourself ever traded with QS?



~BCX~

Don't worry guys, if I stab someone three times in the stomach and they die a horrible death from internal bleeding, it's not against the law because the dead person didn't complain about being stabbed to death to the police. Right? Right??

[cryptodevil]

Anyone else find it rather suspect that BCX keeps trying to down-play QS's proven and admitted fraud?

Hey retard,

If you're trying to intimate that I am QS you really are showing your newbieness ROFL...

I didn't say that, you did. The fact that it is extremely suspect for anybody to be taking the same bullshit deflection attempt as QS suggests a motivation that isn't necessarily linked to sock-puppet accounts of QS. That is only one possible explanation.

I'm not trying to downplay anything.

~BCX~

Right, so simply claiming you're not trying to downplay anything is perfectly reasonable a response after having posted an 'observation' that is a deflection from the real issue of QS having fraudulently conned his customers. What other value would you like to insist the content of your post be taken as, if not to suggest the issue isn't serious or relevant unless defrauded customers are posting about it?

I did ask what amount of BTC you'd consider it reasonable to trade with when your trading partner is acting as the Escrow without your knowledge? It is, of course, a rhetorical question as it is asinine to suggest any amount of money is 'ok' to risk with a fraudulent escrow.

As has been said, self-Escrow is no Escrow at all.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Right, so simply claiming you're not trying to downplay anything is perfectly reasonable a response after having posted an 'observation' that is a deflection from the real issue of QS having fraudulently conned his customers. What other value would you like to insist the content of your post be taken as, if not to suggest the issue isn't serious or relevant unless defrauded customers are posting about it?

I did ask what amount of BTC you'd consider it reasonable to trade with when your trading partner is acting as the Escrow without your knowledge? It is, of course, a rhetorical question as it is asinine to suggest any amount of money is 'ok' to risk with a fraudulent escrow.

As has been said, self-Escrow is no Escrow at all.

So it appears that although quite grudgingly you're conceding that yes what QS did wasn't on the up and up, but really doesn't rise to level of life without prison either.

Which was my point all along.




~BCX~

[cryptodevil]

So it appears that although quite grudgingly you're conceding that yes what QS did wasn't on the up and up, but really doesn't rise to level of life without prison either.

Which was my point all along.

Firstly, I'm not conceding anything as I certainly have never implied that QS's fraudulent behaviour warranted life imprisonment without parole, which is what I assume you intended to type, and I doubt anybody else has, either.

Secondly, If that was, indeed, the 'point' of your original post then you have actually just conceded I was right to state that you were attempting to downplay the seriousness of the fraud by way of your reductio ad absurdum reference to life imprisonment as punishment. In claiming that a lack of complaint posts being made by his unwitting victims is somehow evidence of the 'lesser' seriousness of the crime you are showing that your 'point' was solely to downplay the seriousness of the crime.


Fact is the *only* reason the discussion of his proven and admitted fraudulent actions continue to warrant clarification and confirmation as to the evidencing of Quickseller's dishonesty is due to his personality-disorder-laden OCD rants against other members, along with his persistent attempts to deny the simple fact that his proven and admitted dishonesty renders him untrustworthy, ergo, he cannot complain about receiving negative trust for being proven and admittedly dishonest.

If he would shut the fuck up and show a little maturity about having been exposed as the deceitful and dishonest person he is then these type of whiny threads he keeps creating wouldn't invite continued 'clarification' of his deceit and dishonesty for others to better understand just how absurd and irrelevant his complaints are.

[DiamondCardz]

If he would shut the fuck up and show a little maturity about having been exposed as the deceitful and dishonest person he is then these type of whiny threads he keeps creating wouldn't invite continued 'clarification' of his deceit and dishonesty for others to better understand just how absurd and irrelevant his complaints are.

Yeah...I mean I respect Quickseller for what he's done before but now he's starting to just jump on the bandwagon of "blame Vod" people who just start this crap whenever they end up falling from favour in the eyes of the Bitcointalk community. It's really annoying to see this stuff over and over again, the only reason this one is a little more topical is because the OP used to be quite trusted.

[BitcoinEXpress]

If he would shut the fuck up and show a little maturity about having been exposed as the deceitful and dishonest person he is then these type of whiny threads he keeps creating wouldn't invite continued 'clarification' of his deceit and dishonesty for others to better understand just how absurd and irrelevant his complaints are.

Yeah...I mean I respect Quickseller for what he's done before but now he's starting to just jump on the bandwagon of "blame Vod" people who just start this crap whenever they end up falling from favour in the eyes of the Bitcointalk community. It's really annoying to see this stuff over and over again, the only reason this one is a little more topical is because the OP used to be quite trusted.

Who's blaming Vod?

I was just merely observing that QS may not be the mega-scammer people are saying.

Nothing more.


~BCX~

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

If he would shut the fuck up and show a little maturity about having been exposed as the deceitful and dishonest person he is then these type of whiny threads he keeps creating wouldn't invite continued 'clarification' of his deceit and dishonesty for others to better understand just how absurd and irrelevant his complaints are.

Yeah...I mean I respect Quickseller for what he's done before but now he's starting to just jump on the bandwagon of "blame Vod" people who just start this crap whenever they end up falling from favour in the eyes of the Bitcointalk community. It's really annoying to see this stuff over and over again, the only reason this one is a little more topical is because the OP used to be quite trusted.

Who's blaming Vod?

I was just merely observing that QS may not be the mega-scammer people are saying.

Nothing more.


~BCX~

I do believe the real question here is (and gentlemen please correct me if I'm wrong) who isn't blaming Vod?

[BitcoinEXpress]

I do believe the real question here is (and gentlemen please correct me if I'm wrong) who isn't blaming Vod?

I don't blame God for anything.

It's blasphemy.


~BCX~

[cryptodevil]

I blamed Vod once and he turned me into a newt.

I got better though.

[dooglus]

I blamed Vod once and he turned me into a newt.

I used to have a pet newt.

I called him "tiny".

Because he was my newt.

[suchmoon]

I blamed Vod once and he turned me into a newt.

I used to have a pet newt.

I called him "tiny".

Because he was my newt.

QS is right, this is all a massive conspiracy. Turns out cryptodevil is (or was?) dooglus' pet.

[dooglus]

QS is right, this is all a massive conspiracy. Turns out cryptodevil is (or was?) dooglus' pet.

my-newt, get it?

[Vod]

So, did everyone that Quickseller escrow-scammed get a refund, or was this yet another lie by him?