Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?

[minifrij]

A better question is: should BitcoinTalk be investigated for allowing ponzi schemes and rip-off artists to solicit their scams.  I cannot count the number of times I've been ripped off by scams I found here while at the same time I get censored or moderated when complaining or commenting about my plight.  I find myself constantly having to censor what I am saying just so I don't attract the attention of a moderator who has an invested interest in the scams that take place here.  Now watch this get deleted!

Moderators very rarely remove posts as long as they are not spam or referral. You were probably posting in a self-moderated thread, where any posts can be deleted by the OP of the thread.

[Vod]

I voted no.

I'm all for distrusting ponzi owners, but not the many many peons that promote them. 

[Athertle]

I voted no as well. There are many desperate people who will advertise anything in their signature for bitcoins, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are affiliated for that site. They just want the money; nothing more, nothing less. They could be perfectly trustworthy people.

[michietn94]

I voted no as well. There are many desperate people who will advertise anything in their signature for bitcoins, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are affiliated for that site. They just want the money; nothing more, nothing less. They could be perfectly trustworthy people.

But how you can determine whenever he/she is not involve the ponzi site at all based on your statement " but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are affiliated for that site. " ?

[winspiral]

and what about my negative points for a supposed ponzi link in my signature?
I have so far 2 negative points about my signature
and 1 positive point for ma management about the site linked in my sigature.

i'm negative pointed from 2 people who suppose that I have a ponzi link in my signature.
A,d what can I do?
the 2 people wha have me negatively pointed are now proud as Oscar thinking they have done their duty...
But in reality they have made a mistake.
And now...all my posts are add with negative points for something who is not a ponzi.

Do you believe that wrong accusation will avoid real ponzi pactice?
No in the contrary...
I will be the living example that one cannot trust to the "trust point system"

Each time we will see negative points...we can now say:
trust system is not trustable...we have the poof with winspiral the webmaster who had for over 20 years always been honest.

It is si easy to believe and to give negative points for supposed "things"
I hope that you will not be negative pointed for wrong reason.
i could now run to my negative pointers...and do the same..;But I will not because i will not participe to a trust system who is not fair if we can vote with false arguments.
I can so far look me in a mirror...

[Vod]

i'm negative pointed from 2 people who suppose that I have a ponzi link in my signature.
A,d what can I do?

Remove the ponzi link  from your signature?

You are stating it's risk free - I might leave you negative trust for lying like that.

[shorena]

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Post offtopic reply, wonders why post gets deleted.

I voted no.

I'm all for distrusting ponzi owners, but not the many many peons that promote them.  

I got the following PM this morning. I dont think I have left a negative rating on a peon yet. The ratings should not be left lightly though. Yet, how to detect a peon? Write a PM first?

Listen to me, I'll tell you. You can think what you want and what you want. Conclusions you strange if I advertise Ponzi, it means I'm his manager. I'm working on a referral system. Now I'm going to put minuses. I will punish you! Normal people never in the eyes do nothing in the face and say, well, you put a minus and fled. Run on to not vpoymal !!!! Traitor, like you put to death on the street!

[winspiral]

i'm negative pointed from 2 people who suppose that I have a ponzi link in my signature.
A,d what can I do?

Remove the ponzi link  from your signature?

You are stating it's risk free - I might leave you negative trust for lying like that.

How can i remove a ponzi link from my signature if no ponzi link is in my signature?

[btvGainer]

i'm negative pointed from 2 people who suppose that I have a ponzi link in my signature.
A,d what can I do?

Remove the ponzi link  from your signature?

You are stating it's risk free - I might leave you negative trust for lying like that.

He said only 2 people suppose that the link is ponzi it is not proved.Why should we remove links on others supposition? there must be a solid proof

[tmfp]

I voted no as well. There are many desperate people who will advertise anything in their signature for bitcoins, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are affiliated for that site. They just want the money; nothing more, nothing less. They could be perfectly trustworthy people.

If they are that desperate for money that they will promote something which they know is probably a scam just for "..the money, nothing more, nothing less", then there is the likelihood that that desperation will make them likely to scam if given the opportunity to do so, hence they should not be trusted.

[GannickusX]

I voted no as well. There are many desperate people who will advertise anything in their signature for bitcoins, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are affiliated for that site. They just want the money; nothing more, nothing less. They could be perfectly trustworthy people.

So because he is not affiliated with the site is ok to advertise any kind of scam to make money with it??? In my books that means you are a scammer as well, its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

[Vod]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.   

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

[iCan]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.  

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

It's depend in what country you are! In Russian law if you are witnesses a crime as rape and didn't help you are guilty.    
Article 125 the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

[tmfp]

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

Sure, but that doesn't mean I should trust them.

Greed is....

[onemorexmr]

When it comes to questions about how to use the trust system, I always try to assume the position of a complete newb.
Does my trust rating effectively warn the newb in a way that prevents him from falling for a scam?

I don't think that a newb will make a direct connection between the trust rating of a member and his signature, so the answer to the question above in this case will most likely be no. If there were a way to somehow flag the signature itself as untrustworthy, I'd totally do that.

perfect reasonable and i'll follow that advice.

i'd love to have a way to trust-rate sigs and/or ads here

[onemorexmr]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.  

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

It's depend in what country you are! In Russian law if you are witnesses a crime as rape and didn't help you are guilty.    
Article 125 the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

same is true for germany.
at least you have to call the police

[GannickusX]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.   

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

As other people said in many countries you are guilty if you do nothing, it´s not about morality only, my point stands, someone who knowingly promotes a scam or a scam scheme is a scammer as well

[cakir]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.   

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

As other people said in many countries you are guilty if you do nothing, it´s not about morality only, my point stands, someone who knowingly promotes a scam or a scam scheme is a scammer as well

By your logic; "forum administrators let those scams promoted on forum" then they're scammers too.
They have power to stop/delete/ban ponzi,hyip topics . But they don't, so they're scammer!

As I said earlier; "caveat emptor".

[worhiper_-_]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.  

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

Witnessing a crime and not reporting is a in fact crime in most of Europe. I can't speak of the USA as I'm not even sure what the equivalent term in English since I'm a non-native speaker.

[btvGainer]

its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent

Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.  

You can't force morality on people.  You can't make people believe what you believe.

Some people on this planet only look out for themselves.

Witnessing a crime and not reporting is a in fact crime in most of Europe. I can't speak of the USA as I'm not even sure what the equivalent term in English since I'm a non-native speaker.

That is ridiculous.Who would come forward in court as eye witness if he would fear of being persecuted for witnessing the crime? One would rather keep mum than help in investigation