NASA has found water on MARS!!

[ThePrinceofTea]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

hitch hike is faster, would you take barbarians savages in your car?

(but thank you for posting this very informative post , I liked it).

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[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.

They are not successful in growing plants in space station because they don't use artificial gravity to mimic the gravity here on earth.

We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.

We will not bring dirt for sure. We can go grow plants on water or using Mar's soil. I'm sure at first we will be growing algae for food and for oxygen it's very light and produces the most oxygen than other plants. And we will not be bringing Cows or Pigs mostly likely we will be culturing modified rats or chickens in Mars.

I think we will not be bringing concrete all we need is a tunneling equipment and bore a hole on solid rock on mars.

[WhatTheGox]

If there is liquid water in Mars it will certainly have micro-organisms as well! Wired already published an article about the recent announcement.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/nasa-salty-liquid-water-on-mars/12?mbid=social_fb

Life can manifest in the most unlikely environments on earth so pretty sure there is probably many examples of life just in our solar system.

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

[arnav95]

Yeah, well they also once said that there is life on mars, and by that they wanted to say micro scopic life like micro organisms. Well if they say that is tryebtgenbsend a mars rover with a microscope on it to prove that there are micro organisms there alive...
Now the water thing they say that it is in frozen form and it only visible or called as water during the summer. Still a big question mark on this statement as well...

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

lol, You must answer my simple question. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

[acroman08]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.[/qoute]

Protection from radiation is what we lack even with the latest radiation suits we have wont even stand a chance if there is a solar flare that hits mars, theres even different types of radiation that solar flares Emits, and as you mars has a very weak magnetic field that protects it from radion coming from space.



[/qoute]We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.[/qoute]

Just think about the debris orbiting earth, if the space elevator gets hit by it what do you think is going to happen to the tube connecting it to the space station?. And building it will add more debris.



And if NASA did send astronauts to mars they'lle have to coss theyre finger that mars wont be hit by the solar flares coming from the sun,

[n2004al]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

This news is to old. There are times that this news was declared. According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

"On July 28, 2005, the European Space Agency announced the existence of a crater partially filled with frozen water; some then interpreted the discovery as an "ice lake".

[bit3000]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

This news is to old. There are times that this news was declared. According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

"On July 28, 2005, the European Space Agency announced the existence of a crater partially filled with frozen water;[162] some then interpreted the discovery as an "ice lake"

Frozen water was discovered way back.This is liquid water and not "Frozen water".

[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat.  

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.[/qoute]

Protection from radiation is what we lack even with the latest radiation suits we have wont even stand a chance if there is a solar flare that hits mars, theres even different types of radiation that solar flares Emits, and as you mars has a very weak magnetic field that protects it from radion coming from space.



[/qoute]We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.[/qoute]
Just think about the debris orbiting earth, if the space elevator gets hit by it what do you think is going to happen to the tube connecting it to the space station?. And building it will add more debris.



And if NASA did send astronauts to mars they'lle have to coss theyre finger that mars wont be hit by the solar flares coming from the sun,

Space debris is monitored 24/7. We can zapped it with laser or move the space elevator a little bit.

That's why we need to live underground on Mars. While going to Mars we need proper shielding. Like 2 to 3 meters thickness of water or moon soil.

[Spendulus]

Space debris is monitored 24/7. We zapped it with laser or move the space elevator a little bit.

That's why we need to live underground on Mars. While going to Mars we need proper shielding. Like 2 to 3 meters thickness  of water or moon soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_of_Mars_Project

This is not really practical for humans, more important is careful site selection.  Then just push dirt around.

But the pictures are fascinating.

[crazy-pilot]

It is all a matter of cost, why would we spend billions on such a project? That is the question I think, yes we are / could be able to do it. But as most companies would invest, what is the profit? It's a shame that it usually comes down to this, but it usually is the case.

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

lol, You must answer my simple question. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

I just pointed out that humanity is fragmented yet your question still implies that it's whole by the using the term "us".

[ThePrinceofTea]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

A brother, more love to you ! Where is your suit? never remove the tin foil .

(sorry, but I had to express my support to A real Human Being, it's very rare with the collective mind merging them so fast )

[Spendulus]

If they found ice there before then this isn't that exciting to me

I do not know if it is water...
but if fish are in it...then certainly.

LOL. Now finding fish in it certainly would be exciting. The best you could hope for is bacteria.

I'm hoping they find beer.  If they do, I'm ready to go.

[johnyj]

Throw some cactus seeds in first