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June 04, 2016, 10:38:37 PM |
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I really not a expert but I'm not sure this is way to go.
First: 1,5 mil coins to stake daily. I get I don't need that amount but it is amount to get payment for 24h. Problem I see with this increase of minimum coin age threshold by 10 again is that lot of smaller guys just drop the coin and no new stackers come. Leaving what? Only 10 - 20 people who just stake a fun of stacking because there will be no one to sell (make money/profit) out from coin.
Second: the lotto aspect of stacking. 1 - 500% I assume it's an annual rate not for 24h one. Well lets say I don't have 1,5 mil but just 300k. I have had 5 days my wallet shat and opening it then waiting to see how much I have got and then.... lets say I did hit 3%. "...a lot of un appropriate words..." I just made 123,2876712 cubs. Needless to say there is no swearing words in any language what I will think.
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June 04, 2016, 10:48:29 PM |
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i agree with this change for the following reasons: it will control the issue this coin had with dumpers, now holders will have to buy/keep coins to have or build up to the coinage necessary to achieve maximum stake rate. prior to this it was fairly easy to ramp up the the amount of coins needed to get the 2000% stake rate. now it's a lil more difficult to do so, therefore weeding out the dumpers and those more faithful to the coin will stay in for the long term investment which is much more ideal situation. And seriously why complain about 1-500% stake rate at all? do you get this at the banks? damn some of you are just greedy mofos instead of wise investors ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) i don't care if it's 1% or 1000%, my f'n USA bank account gets a shit .01 % interest rate a month. you think i'm complaining about spots new stake proposal? hell @$%# no! you guys make me laugh I swear ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) if you want fast money go print your own dollars and euros, just make sure they don't catch your counterfeits lol
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June 04, 2016, 10:59:53 PM |
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i agree with this change for the following reasons: it will control the issue this coin had with dumpers, now holders will have to buy/keep coins to have or build up to the coinage necessary to achieve maximum stake rate. prior to this it was fairly easy to ramp up the the amount of coins needed to get the 2000% stake rate. now it's a lil more difficult to do so, therefore weeding out the dumpers and those more faithful to the coin will stay in for the long term investment which is much more ideal situation. And seriously why complain about 1-500% stake rate at all? do you get this at the banks? damn some of you are just greedy mofos instead of wise investors i don't care if it's 1% or 1000%, my f'n USA bank account gets a shit .01 % interest rate a month. you think i'm complaining about spots new stake proposal? hell @$%# no! you guys make me laugh I swear ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) if you want fast money go print your own dollars and euros, just make sure they don't catch your counterfeits lol serious? You are compared stable usd with cube coin which lost worth from 10k to 20 satoshi in few months?
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D3m0nKinGx
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June 04, 2016, 11:08:06 PM |
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i agree with this change for the following reasons: it will control the issue this coin had with dumpers, now holders will have to buy/keep coins to have or build up to the coinage necessary to achieve maximum stake rate. prior to this it was fairly easy to ramp up the the amount of coins needed to get the 2000% stake rate. now it's a lil more difficult to do so, therefore weeding out the dumpers and those more faithful to the coin will stay in for the long term investment which is much more ideal situation. And seriously why complain about 1-500% stake rate at all? do you get this at the banks? damn some of you are just greedy mofos instead of wise investors i don't care if it's 1% or 1000%, my f'n USA bank account gets a shit .01 % interest rate a month. you think i'm complaining about spots new stake proposal? hell @$%# no! you guys make me laugh I swear ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) if you want fast money go print your own dollars and euros, just make sure they don't catch your counterfeits lol serious? You are compared stable usd with cube coin which lost worth from 10k to 20 satoshi in few months? And USD value isn't even backed up by anything! it's a faith based monetary system run by a government in trillions of dollars of debt, so ya what's the point of your argument? DigiCube dropped down to the 300 sat range when I got into this coin and right now i''m still in profit from the point i started investing with this coin... so your statement doesn't corroborate with my CUBE financial standing.
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June 04, 2016, 11:24:09 PM Last edit: June 04, 2016, 11:40:36 PM by zazarb |
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i agree with this change for the following reasons: it will control the issue this coin had with dumpers, now holders will have to buy/keep coins to have or build up to the coinage necessary to achieve maximum stake rate. prior to this it was fairly easy to ramp up the the amount of coins needed to get the 2000% stake rate. now it's a lil more difficult to do so, therefore weeding out the dumpers and those more faithful to the coin will stay in for the long term investment which is much more ideal situation. And seriously why complain about 1-500% stake rate at all? do you get this at the banks? damn some of you are just greedy mofos instead of wise investors i don't care if it's 1% or 1000%, my f'n USA bank account gets a shit .01 % interest rate a month. you think i'm complaining about spots new stake proposal? hell @$%# no! you guys make me laugh I swear ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) if you want fast money go print your own dollars and euros, just make sure they don't catch your counterfeits lol serious? You are compared stable usd with cube coin which lost worth from 10k to 20 satoshi in few months? And USD value isn't even backed up by anything! it's a faith based monetary system run by a government in trillions of dollars of debt, so ya what's the point of your argument? DigiCube dropped down to the 300 sat range when I got into this coin and right now i''m still in profit from the point i started investing with this coin... so your statement doesn't corroborate with my CUBE financial standing. I am glad for your success, if usd worthless for you , I'd suggest accumulate pension in cube, and you will be waiting a saturated old age ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I really not a expert but I'm not sure this is way to go.
First: 1,5 mil coins to stake daily. I get I don't need that amount but it is amount to get payment for 24h. Problem I see with this increase of minimum coin age threshold by 10 again is that lot of smaller guys just drop the coin and no new stackers come. Leaving what? Only 10 - 20 people who just stake a fun of stacking because there will be no one to sell (make money/profit) out from coin.
Second: the lotto aspect of stacking. 1 - 500% I assume it's an annual rate not for 24h one. Well lets say I don't have 1,5 mil but just 300k. I have had 5 days my wallet shat and opening it then waiting to see how much I have got and then.... lets say I did hit 3%. "...a lot of un appropriate words..." I just made 123,2876712 cubs. Needless to say there is no swearing words in any language what I will think.
absolutely true, I agree, or dev thing that coin can live with 10 coins holder?! personal I do not like it what can not predict, this lotto maybe acceptable if play every day, but get nothing after week staking this is absurd. to avoid people leaks, my sugestion left same Minimum Coin Age with lotto, or increase but with fixed rate(even less than 500%)
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June 04, 2016, 11:26:40 PM |
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and GOLD ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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June 05, 2016, 12:39:38 AM |
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announced fork is pure suicide for high-pos 'coz it's about to cut the stream of newcomers completely maybe spots wants to prove his reputation once again, i'll sit back and watch with pleasure ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Dude you're full of shit, how's that compared to coins with much less return on their high-pos rates?
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D3m0nKinGx
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June 05, 2016, 12:48:25 AM |
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announced fork is pure suicide for high-pos 'coz it's about to cut the stream of newcomers completely maybe spots wants to prove his reputation once again, i'll sit back and watch with pleasure ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Dude you're full of shit, how's that compared to coins with much less return on their high-pos rates? there'll be no return, but i'm not to prove anything, please let's have some fun just watching and yet you invest in this coin.. why? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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June 05, 2016, 12:56:16 AM |
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ok then ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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June 05, 2016, 01:55:05 AM |
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I am still a little confuse about the coin ago. so for example if I have 160K every 24 hrs recombine the coins at the moment. so new way, same 160k I need to wait 10 days to unlock to stake for the max returns? so 80k needs 20 days?
Thanks,
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June 05, 2016, 02:32:58 AM Last edit: June 05, 2016, 02:43:55 AM by GREEDYJOHN |
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Details on the upcoming fork Planning for Block 800k, but block number may change Stake Threshold Changes- Minimum Coin Age Threshold has been increased by a factor of 10
- Formula for the maximum possible block reward remains unchanged
Stake Reward Changes- Variable Stake Rate (1% - 500%), calculated at time of stake and determined by individual input coin age
- Having coin age below the minimum threshold will now reward -0.1% of current block number worth of CUBE
- Blocks that currently reward 1 CUBE will subtract 0.1% of current block number CUBE from your balance post-fork
- These coins will be burned from moneysupply, not paid to any miners or stakers. They will be completely destroyed
- The penalty for staking too few coins, or too low of coin age, will scale long-term and increase as block number increases
- As always, DigiCube will retain the No-Fee model, instead relying on under-minimum coin age blocks to burn coins long-term
TL;DR - Make sure you are above the new staking minimum coin age threshold or else you are going to be really pissed off at the coin I will leave discussion on this topic open for one week before I start getting new wallets ready. Get your input in soon if you want it heard I like this concept, it will force small holders to dump their coins into the hands of REAL INVESTORS. Things would look different if DIGICUBE has a market cap exceeding $1,000,000., so that 1 CUBE = a few pennies/cents. At this price, penalties will appear annoying and frustrating.
Also, at higher market cap, the POS rewards will become more meaningful, even if POS = 1%
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June 05, 2016, 04:38:01 AM |
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Details on the upcoming fork Planning for Block 800k, but block number may change Stake Threshold Changes- Minimum Coin Age Threshold has been increased by a factor of 10
- Formula for the maximum possible block reward remains unchanged
Stake Reward Changes- Variable Stake Rate (1% - 500%), calculated at time of stake and determined by individual input coin age
- Having coin age below the minimum threshold will now reward -0.1% of current block number worth of CUBE
- Blocks that currently reward 1 CUBE will subtract 0.1% of current block number CUBE from your balance post-fork
- These coins will be burned from moneysupply, not paid to any miners or stakers. They will be completely destroyed
- The penalty for staking too few coins, or too low of coin age, will scale long-term and increase as block number increases
- As always, DigiCube will retain the No-Fee model, instead relying on under-minimum coin age blocks to burn coins long-term
TL;DR - Make sure you are above the new staking minimum coin age threshold or else you are going to be really pissed off at the coin I will leave discussion on this topic open for one week before I start getting new wallets ready. Get your input in soon if you want it heard I like this concept, it will force small holders to dump their coins into the hands of REAL INVESTORS. Things would look different if DIGICUBE has a market cap exceeding $1,000,000., so that 1 CUBE = a few pennies/cents. At this price, penalties will appear annoying and frustrating.
Also, at higher market cap, the POS rewards will become more meaningful, even if POS = 1%The goal is to encourage small holders to increase their hand, rather than dump them
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June 05, 2016, 06:45:55 AM |
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Hi all I like the idea but i think.
If This is going to happen we need to make sure all new/old investors understand how the coin works. (it needs to be fool proof clear indication of loss gain est) 1 make sure investors know exactly how many coins they need to purchase or the amount of time they need to wait before (there investment) can be staked to receive a reward.(some form of chart with examples?)(or an in wallet display giving a stake timer count down) 2 A way of keeping the small investor as well as the larger ones 3 This system needs to be fool proof no one wants too LOOSE there investment. 4 All'so a way to lock individual amount of coins in the wallet so if you have multiple deposits you can stake the mature coins without losing the none mature ones.
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June 05, 2016, 07:51:53 AM |
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-snip-
So we need a minimum of 1.5 million CUBE in order to get a reward ? Why change to lottery ? No longer 5.47 % ? 1.6 milion, even more with every next day, and I see only 5 coins holder, who can lay claim to the daily reward, and since stake rate fall a significantly, a new one will appear a long way from. I would be interested in more detail this item "Variable Stake Rate (1% - 500%)''Variable Stake Rate = CoinAge modulo 500 + 1 Ok, two questions: First, so if I understand correctly (and please correct me if I'm wrong), if I manage to somehow aim the exact coinage of let's say 5,000,999 right at the moment of staking then I get (5,000,999 modulo 500)=499 + 1 = 500% stake? Second, is this 500% a daily rate or a yearly rate? Thanks.
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June 05, 2016, 09:06:20 AM |
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I am still a little confuse about the coin ago. so for example if I have 160K every 24 hrs recombine the coins at the moment. so new way, same 160k I need to wait 10 days to unlock to stake for the max returns? so 80k needs 20 days?
Thanks,
not exactly with 80k after 20 day you will have 1.6 milion coin age, but in that moment coin age requirement will be much more , so you need wait additional few day. p.s. "On the web" only to me not show blockchain statistics?
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June 05, 2016, 12:17:02 PM |
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I am still a little confuse about the coin ago. so for example if I have 160K every 24 hrs recombine the coins at the moment. so new way, same 160k I need to wait 10 days to unlock to stake for the max returns? so 80k needs 20 days?
Thanks,
not exactly with 80k after 20 day you will have 1.6 milion coin age, but in that moment coin age requirement will be much more , so you need wait additional few day. p.s. "On the web" only to me not show blockchain statistics? Thanks for the reply. I'm on the right track.
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June 05, 2016, 03:04:17 PM |
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Interesting forking news the lottery aspect is kind of strange but I will go with the flow. I got my 1.5 million ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Toninho
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June 05, 2016, 04:14:02 PM |
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Interesting forking news the lottery aspect is kind of strange but I will go with the flow. I got my 1.5 million ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) 1.5 million for what ?
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June 05, 2016, 04:29:50 PM |
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i think it needs at least 1 more big exchange otherwise the value will go down again
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