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[iGotSpots]

Hi spots
any chance we can get shut of the adds on the first page and give support to the exchanges we are on?

cheers

That page is going to be gone completely soon. The FreeStaking UI you see in-wallet is the one that will be taking over the main page soon

[iGotSpots]

There is a difference between v 2.0 and v 2.0a? I can use the version v2.0 or use the version V2.0a compulsory?

2.0a is just a GUI update for better presentation. Either one is fine


Compatible Versions for Block 1,000,000 Fork
✓  2.0
✓  2.0a
✗  1.8
✗  1.6
✗  1.2
✗  1.0

[Nobitcoin]

Nice to see Bleutrade back a little worried at first after CCEX gate.

[D3m0nKinGx]

Fucking sad state of affairs crypto is in... just keeps goin 2-steps back every 1-step forward 

[Nobitcoin]

Fucking sad state of affairs crypto is in... just keeps goin 2-steps back every 1-step forward 

Looks like everyone should watch their backs. I hope there isn't a cherry on the cake.

[D3m0nKinGx]

In fact, I want to point out something that's even more appalling, egregious, shocking, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, outrageous even I'd put some more words in some other tongues too just to emphasize the horrendous act that we've uncovered going on in cryptsy 2.0 aka c-cex So the story goes like this:

Firstly, one must understand a few 'rules' in PoS Coins:

          1. In order to actually stake one must have a Transaction 'Input' to the coin's daemon, which will show up in the 'minting tab'

          2. This input must equal the minimum required 'coinage' aka 'balance' in order for a stake to occur

      MOST IMPORTANT RULE#:

          3. The amount of the transaction 'Input' from rule #1 must be an 'ACTIVE' Balance in the wallet

          4. The wallet must be HOT, in state of being online and 'unlocked for minting'

***Rule #3 is the most crucial because NO STAKING will occur if there is not a balance in the wallet equal to the transaction input on the minting tab***

In other words, if you have a transaction input on the minting tab of let's give an arbitrary number of 2 Million, but your wallet balance is 0, NO STAKE will occur. this is putting it in simplest terms.

SPOTS pointed this out partially on his blog - blog.freestaking.com  :

"The second, and honestly more concerning issue here, is that for coins to actually stake they must be in what is known as a hot wallet. Whether or not the exchange is actually using this for transactions is irrelevant in our example; your coins are in their wallet, staking, on an active node that is connected to the network instead of utilizing any form of cold storage. Coins in cold storage will not stake, as they are ‘frozen’ for security"

...but left out Rule #3 in this description, (maybe add it on spots?)

So, now on to why I'm stressing on Rule # 3 and applying this to what happened on C-Cex. Using the report SPOTS put together from the evidence I have provided, is because those coins I depostied, not only were getting staked, it's the fact that those coins got SOLD to BIDS that were either not actually trade orders from other users but C-cex itself

Did anybody come to realize that? and the implications of this on a much larger scale?

Why? Because applying Rule #3 if My 2.5M coins that I deposited AND SOLD that same day were actually sold to another user the coins would've moved to that user's deposit address (if staking was not to occur)! Guess what!? My CUBES NEVER LEFT MY DEPO Address and continued on to stake about 2 weeks later:

My Deposit Address on C-Cex:
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/address.php?address=CNisr2BkrhrdhTCgACrdMJdiYv2oCEtcuY

Time of 2.5M Deposit (12:05am on June 17, 2016):
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/tx.php?tx=03ba5c000b185c908e6b186e746cca8090190bd7a1d3d5c138b3ef9364d402a4

The Entire Deposit was completely sold by 12:12am on June 17, 2016 THRU 12 Separate SELL orders:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1211692.msg15751032#msg15751032

However, low and behold those 2.5M Coins NEVER FUCKING LEFT MY DEPOSIT ADDRESS and on July 5th, 2016, those CUBES were still in my depo address (but not showing on my c-cex balances page) and initiated the FIRST STAKE of 88,000 CUBES:

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/tx.php?tx=457ec40bba0f37a1294766adf41ee97254cd7b271ce40f1e72d64a7686e4ee74

DATE          BLOCK      TRANSACTION ID                                                                                             SENT                                         RECEIVED                                 TOTAL MINTED                  CHANGE
5 Jul 2016    880007   457ec40bba0f37a1294766adf41ee97254cd7b271ce40f1e72d64a7686e4ee74          2,500,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   2,588,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   88,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   88,000.0000


CONCLUSION:

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THOSE BIDS ON THE BOOKS? (THE EXCHANGES, AND NOT FROM OTHER USERS...)

THE EXCHANGES ARE PUTTING FAKE ORDERS?

MY COINS GOT SOLD TO SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERVALUED PRICE!

THEN THE EXCHANGE STAKED MY COINS.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SPOTS I'm sure you got something to say about this, and definitely need to get this on your blog as well, this needs to go viral!

I hope everybody on this thread goes ape shit on this, cause I sure am fucking contacting everybody and anybody I can to get this public!

[Nobitcoin]

In fact, I want to point out something that's even more appalling, egregious, shocking, atrocious, abominable, abhorrent, outrageous even I'd put some more words in some other tongues too just to emphasize the horrendous act that we've uncovered going on in cryptsy 2.0 aka c-cex So the story goes like this:

Firstly, one must understand a few 'rules' in PoS Coins:

          1. In order to actually stake one must have a Transaction 'Input' to the coin's daemon, which will show up in the 'minting tab'

          2. This input must equal the minimum required 'coinage' aka 'balance' in order for a stake to occur

      MOST IMPORTANT RULE#:

          3. The amount of the transaction 'Input' from rule #1 must be an 'ACTIVE' Balance in the wallet

          4. The wallet must be HOT, in state of being online and 'unlocked for minting'

***Rule #3 is the most crucial because NO STAKING will occur if there is not a balance in the wallet equal to the transaction input on the minting tab***

In other words, if you have a transaction input on the minting tab of let's give an arbitrary number of 2 Million, but your wallet balance is 0, NO STAKE will occur. this is putting it in simplest terms.

SPOTS pointed this out partially on his blog - blog.freestaking.com  :

"The second, and honestly more concerning issue here, is that for coins to actually stake they must be in what is known as a hot wallet. Whether or not the exchange is actually using this for transactions is irrelevant in our example; your coins are in their wallet, staking, on an active node that is connected to the network instead of utilizing any form of cold storage. Coins in cold storage will not stake, as they are ‘frozen’ for security"

...but left out Rule #3 in this description, (maybe add it on spots?)

So, now on to why I'm stressing on Rule # 3 and applying this to what happened on C-Cex. Using the report SPOTS put together from the evidence I have provided, is because those coins I depostied, not only were getting staked, it's the fact that those coins got SOLD to BIDS that were either not actually trade orders from other users but C-cex itself

Did anybody come to realize that? and the implications of this on a much larger scale?

Why? Because applying Rule #3 if My 2.5M coins that I deposited AND SOLD that same day were actually sold to another user the coins would've moved to that user's deposit address (if staking was not to occur)! Guess what!? My CUBES NEVER LEFT MY DEPO Address:

My Deposit Address on C-Cex:
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/address.php?address=CNisr2BkrhrdhTCgACrdMJdiYv2oCEtcuY

Time of 2.5M Deposit (12:05am on June 17, 2016):
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/tx.php?tx=03ba5c000b185c908e6b186e746cca8090190bd7a1d3d5c138b3ef9364d402a4

The Entire Deposit was completely sold by 12:12am on June 17, 2016 THRU 12 Separate SELL orders:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1211692.msg15751032#msg15751032

However, low and behold those 2.5M Coins NEVER FUCKING LEFT MY DEPOSIT ADDRESS and on July 5th, 2016, those CUBES were still in my depo address (but not showing on my c-cex balances page) and initiated the FIRST STAKE of 88,000 CUBES:

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CUBE/tx.php?tx=457ec40bba0f37a1294766adf41ee97254cd7b271ce40f1e72d64a7686e4ee74

DATE          BLOCK      TRANSACTION ID                                                                                             SENT                                         RECEIVED                                 TOTAL MINTED                  CHANGE
5 Jul 2016    880007   457ec40bba0f37a1294766adf41ee97254cd7b271ce40f1e72d64a7686e4ee74          2,500,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   2,588,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   88,000.0000 (0.000 BTC)   88,000.0000


CONCLUSION:

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THOSE BIDS ON THE BOOKS? (THE EXCHANGES, AND NOT FROM OTHER USERS...)

THE EXCHANGES ARE PUTTING FAKE ORDERS?

MY COINS GOT SOLD TO SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERVALUED PRICE!

THEN THE EXCHANGE STAKED MY COINS.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SPOTS I'm sure you got something to say about this, and definitely need to get this on your blog as well, this needs to go viral!

I hope everybody on this thread goes ape shit on this, cause I sure am fucking contacting everybody and anybody I can to get this public!

CCEX was purposely manipulating the price to get people to dump so they could themselves make a bigger profit. Also you notice how when the price of CUBE dropped it seemed to drop further than it should have I think there's a lot of people gunning for Spots. Spots your an outlaw wanted dead or alive 

[D3m0nKinGx]

Why? Because applying Rule #3 if My 2.5M coins that I deposited AND SOLD that same day were actually sold to another user the coins would've moved to that user's deposit address (if staking was not to occur)! Guess what!? My CUBES NEVER LEFT MY DEPO Address and continued on to stake about 2 weeks later:

sorry pal - that's not how exchanges work.
sells are account ops, your balance is just a record in exchange database,
which shows their liability, it's not an address balance, coins can be anywhere

And where were they? STILL IN MY DEPOSIT ADDRESS lol

It's shady shit if you are running a database that isn't reflecting user's actual deposit address amounts!

Might as well be a HYIP site,

and seems you missed the point that they used the order books to falsely report how the coins are moving within exchange just so they can profit of users' balances.

POINT IS: MY COINS DID NOT MOVE PERIOD ON THOSE EXECUTED "SELLS", that is a huge huge problem!

[D3m0nKinGx]

How is that normal, this undermines the meaning of "trade". the coins NEVER moved, it was no different than recombining coins in my own wallet when doing those sell orders ....


It's bullshit. you don't see that or what? You seem so chill about this , like yup that's normal. let's turn the other cheek...

If those BIDS were legit, another users' address should've received those coins and either been traded further or withdrawn as would be traceable on the block explorer, but it didn't happen this way!

[iGotSpots]

desynct is correct. When a trade takes place, it is not reflected on the blockchain, but rather the exchange db until withdrawn. If trades were broadcast to the network, Bitcoin fees would be about a bajillion dollars to send 1 satoshi

[iGotSpots]

desynct is correct. When a trade takes place, it is not reflected on the blockchain, but rather the exchange db until withdrawn. If trades were broadcast to the network, Bitcoin fees would be about a bajillion dollars to send 1 satoshi

That said, my point is very valid. There is no cold storage. It appears that most, if not all, coins are in a hot wallet

[ExcelThroughKnowledge]

Hi guys.. I'm trying to send the cubes back to myself to attempt to combine.. could anyone let me know why it kept sending 0 cube and state that its "payment to self?"

 how do I properly recombine..?

[D3m0nKinGx]

desynct is correct. When a trade takes place, it is not reflected on the blockchain, but rather the exchange db until withdrawn. If trades were broadcast to the network, Bitcoin fees would be about a bajillion dollars to send 1 satoshi

Ofc it's not, cause they didn't move any coins lol so trading in other words is a big sham under this particular circumstance, and furthermore if you're correct the coins only move in the database and not the wallet, then where's the user that received those coins I sold? I would like to see them post their buy transactions and balances of their depo wallet.

Cause what you're saying is that depo address would also be a 'shared' address among users, which oh! sounds like a HYIP again lol

and about fees, if they're not gonna move coins through the blockchains for trading transparency / validity, then why charge trading fees, which would more than cover the wallet fees even for bitcoin

better off I just go buy gold that's real and set my price and sell it to the actual hands of a buyer, not virtually generated arbitrary numbers by the exchange itself having me fake sell coins to nowhere for the exchange's benefit to stake them! no way man no way  

[D3m0nKinGx]

Hi guys.. I'm trying to send the cubes back to myself to attempt to combine.. could anyone let me know why it kept sending 0 cube and state that its "payment to self?"

 how do I properly recombine..?

Wallet -> send coins -> choose one of the addresses in the 'receive coins' tab and copy/paste to -> pay to address field

enter the amount u want to send up to the full balance of ur wallet and click 'send'

[iGotSpots]

better off I just go buy gold that's real and set my price and sell it to the actual hands of a buyer, not virtually generated arbitrary numbers by the exchange itself having me fake sell coins to nowhere for the exchange's benefit to stake them! no way man no way  

perfect example btw.
if you buy gold on exchange, the actual gold doesn't move anywhere, it remains kept in a secure vault.
your balance record as well as your buyer's will reflect the trade, but nobody will move tons of metal 
only if you order that gold to be delivered to you in physical - that's when it moves.
crypto is nothing new about all that...

Name #8?

[D3m0nKinGx]

better off I just go buy gold that's real and set my price and sell it to the actual hands of a buyer, not virtually generated arbitrary numbers by the exchange itself having me fake sell coins to nowhere for the exchange's benefit to stake them! no way man no way  

perfect example btw.
if you buy gold on exchange, the actual gold doesn't move anywhere, it remains kept in a secure vault.
your balance record as well as your buyer's will reflect the trade, but nobody will move tons of metal 
only if you order that gold to be delivered to you in physical - that's when it moves.
crypto is nothing new about all that...

And you miss the point. on those exchanges it's recorded and tracked where the 'funds' are kept for each user. So in this case with CUBE or any other coin for that matter, which is not 'tons of metal' that can't be moved easily, which it can and so should be for the purpose of what blockchain technology was made for in the first place to keep records of every and all transactions...

Hence again, since i'm not sure you're absorbing the issue here, which is where's the user that those coins were purportedly sold to that never left that depo address for 2 weeks. And it wasn't until July 5th the exchange unlocked the wallet to stake those coins, why not earlier, and recombine them as well ) fuck it right, compound that shit if you gonna profit off of ppl

So if that user whom bought those coins i sold to can post their balance and if they did a withdrawal in that time frame from june 17 - july 5 ( on or prior to the stake), that would blow your theory out of the water

Otherwise, it's to be assumed I sold coin to the exchange operator and not a trader.

[D3m0nKinGx]

better off I just go buy gold that's real and set my price and sell it to the actual hands of a buyer, not virtually generated arbitrary numbers by the exchange itself having me fake sell coins to nowhere for the exchange's benefit to stake them! no way man no way  

perfect example btw.
if you buy gold on exchange, the actual gold doesn't move anywhere, it remains kept in a secure vault.
your balance record as well as your buyer's will reflect the trade, but nobody will move tons of metal 
only if you order that gold to be delivered to you in physical - that's when it moves.
crypto is nothing new about all that...

And you miss the point. on those exchanges it's recorded and tracked where the 'funds' are kept for each user. So in this case with CUBE or any other coin for that matter, which is not 'tons of metal' that can't be moved easily, which it can and so should be for the purpose of what blockchain technology was made for in the first place to keep records of every and all transactions...

Hence again, since i'm not sure you're absorbing the issue here, which is where's the user that those coins were purportedly sold to that never left that depo address for 2 weeks. And it wasn't until July 5th the exchange unlocked the wallet to stake those coins, why not earlier, and recombine them as well ) fuck it right, compound that shit if you gonna profit off of ppl

So if that user whom bought those coins i sold to can post their balance and if they did a withdrawal in that time frame from june 17 - july 5 ( on or prior to the stake), that would blow your theory out of the water

Otherwise, it's to be assumed I sold coin to the exchange operator and not a trader.

well, i guess now i see your point.
you think that crypto exchange is special because it's crypto,
and it should use blockchain technology as the backbone for everything,
including accounts and trading database.
well, maybe one day, but not now, at least on any cryptoexchange i know

Thank you.

In addition to this, I personally don't believe or at least highly unlikely a user would've kept those coins they bought and left them on the exchange instead of withdrawing them in that 2 week time period to stake them considering this is a Hi-PoS coin

Hopefully the 'users' of those buy orders will see these posts and confirm this

[ExcelThroughKnowledge]

Hi guys.. I'm trying to send the cubes back to myself to attempt to combine.. could anyone let me know why it kept sending 0 cube and state that its "payment to self?"

 how do I properly recombine..?

Wallet -> send coins -> choose one of the addresses in the 'receive coins' tab and copy/paste to -> pay to address field

enter the amount u want to send up to the full balance of ur wallet and click 'send'

King, I tried with 1 cube but it kept sending 0 cube >_>

[D3m0nKinGx]

Hi guys.. I'm trying to send the cubes back to myself to attempt to combine.. could anyone let me know why it kept sending 0 cube and state that its "payment to self?"

 how do I properly recombine..?

Wallet -> send coins -> choose one of the addresses in the 'receive coins' tab and copy/paste to -> pay to address field

enter the amount u want to send up to the full balance of ur wallet and click 'send'

King, I tried with 1 cube but it kept sending 0 cube >_>

Look on the minting tab you will see the transaction with the amount you sent

[ExcelThroughKnowledge]

Hi guys.. I'm trying to send the cubes back to myself to attempt to combine.. could anyone let me know why it kept sending 0 cube and state that its "payment to self?"

 how do I properly recombine..?

Wallet -> send coins -> choose one of the addresses in the 'receive coins' tab and copy/paste to -> pay to address field

enter the amount u want to send up to the full balance of ur wallet and click 'send'

King, I tried with 1 cube but it kept sending 0 cube >_>

Look on the minting tab you will see the transaction with the amount you sent

Ah! Okay, thanks!!

EDIT: So.. King, anytime when I want to recombine, I just need to send the full amount of cube into one my of address and that is considered the full recombine right? I looked at inputs and its only 1 input now =)