2024 NBA Season

[danherbias07]

What a game by Murray carrying the Hawks and sink a game winner in the OT.

The Celtics were complete, they were even -16 favorite in the betting sites but this Hawks are in serious business, and they hand the Celtics 2 losses from them. It was a fun game, completely entertaining like a playoffs game, so now, I think the Celtics are still vulnerable and still have the weakness they have before. The problem with them is that they tend to play one on one basketball when the game is close, in this game it's mostly Tatum and they are forgetting the 3 point shots which they are also good at.

With that, atlanta hopes are still alive as they are in the rank number 10 with 4 win streak.

Still has a chance in the play-in tournament.
They just need 2 wins in that mini tournament and if Dejounte Murray will play like a monster in each game then I bet they can steal that 8th spot from either the Bulls or the 76ers. We know the 76ers don't have Embiid yet and I don't think he play soon. But the same goes with the Hawks without Trae Young and no clear date on when he will be back.
The Hawks' win was surprising considering they are battling against the top seed of the East Boston Celtics. The spread was -14.5 so I don't think even their fans and the gamblers are expecting them to win. This is a big upset and I think it will help to bring the confidence of the Hawks players considering they are undermanned now with so many teammates being injured.

The Pelicans also won their game against the Bucks. Another upset. I lost some money on both games but that was amazing to see how unpredictable the NBA could be.

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[Japinat]

What a game by Murray carrying the Hawks and sink a game winner in the OT.

The Celtics were complete, they were even -16 favorite in the betting sites but this Hawks are in serious business, and they hand the Celtics 2 losses from them. It was a fun game, completely entertaining like a playoffs game, so now, I think the Celtics are still vulnerable and still have the weakness they have before. The problem with them is that they tend to play one on one basketball when the game is close, in this game it's mostly Tatum and they are forgetting the 3 point shots which they are also good at.

With that, atlanta hopes are still alive as they are in the rank number 10 with 4 win streak.

Still has a chance in the play-in tournament.
They just need 2 wins in that mini tournament and if Dejounte Murray will play like a monster in each game then I bet they can steal that 8th spot from either the Bulls or the 76ers. We know the 76ers don't have Embiid yet and I don't think he play soon. But the same goes with the Hawks without Trae Young and no clear date on when he will be back.
The Hawks' win was surprising considering they are battling against the top seed of the East Boston Celtics. The spread was -14.5 so I don't think even their fans and the gamblers are expecting them to win. This is a big upset and I think it will help to bring the confidence of the Hawks players considering they are undermanned now with so many teammates being injured.

You mean playoff? Because by the looks of it, it seems like Nets has a slim chance of getting pass Hawsks in ranking but Hawks has a chance not only to finish at 10 but could be at 9 too. That was 2 in a row against the number 1 team in the NBA now (based on overall ranking) and Murray showed he is really a true superstar, he played well and very clutch in finishing a game with a win.

I bet Boston's pride was shaken a bit in that game as that 2 losses against the number 10 team might cause a little reality check on how good they really are.

The Pelicans also won their game against the Bucks. Another upset. I lost some money on both games but that was amazing to see how unpredictable the NBA could be.

Not much of an upset though as the Pelicans are +2 at home, compared to the Hawks which was +14.5... The story of upset here belonged to the Hawks. Anyway, talking about the Pelicans, great to see Williamson leading the team with 28 points, he needs to because Ingram was down and no timetable yet on his return.

[Dave1]

What a game by Murray carrying the Hawks and sink a game winner in the OT.

The Celtics were complete, they were even -16 favorite in the betting sites but this Hawks are in serious business, and they hand the Celtics 2 losses from them. It was a fun game, completely entertaining like a playoffs game, so now, I think the Celtics are still vulnerable and still have the weakness they have before. The problem with them is that they tend to play one on one basketball when the game is close, in this game it's mostly Tatum and they are forgetting the 3 point shots which they are also good at.

With that, atlanta hopes are still alive as they are in the rank number 10 with 4 win streak.

From the first quarter alone, you can see that this is going to be a close game as Murray was really playing very good already. Even though he committed a foul which is uncanny for him, he means business though and playing good defense.

I think they will make the 10th spot, unlike in the West wherein the Golden State and Houston Rockets are really playing for it.

Really crazy to win back to back against the number one team in the East.

[xzone]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

I think it's refreshing to see a team that started really bad and now trying to get at least in the play-in and fighting it out against the Warriors dynasty. They force OT against one of the best team in OKC ad their own homecourt. And even if SGA didn't play, still this is a great win for the Rockets as they are a huge underdog in this game. One of the longest streak for this season and at a point wherein regular season is about to end. The Warriors also won though, so it will set up wherein this two are going to fight for every game they had, either home or away.

If they manage to continue with this performance, we can see them in a really good place at the end of the season. I haven't felt sympathy for the Houston Rockets for a long time, it's like I'm back to the years when Yao Ming played
After such a winning streak, the motivation of the players will be quite high. I think they are strong enough to beat many teams right now

[Sanitough]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

I think it's refreshing to see a team that started really bad and now trying to get at least in the play-in and fighting it out against the Warriors dynasty. They force OT against one of the best team in OKC ad their own homecourt. And even if SGA didn't play, still this is a great win for the Rockets as they are a huge underdog in this game. One of the longest streak for this season and at a point wherein regular season is about to end. The Warriors also won though, so it will set up wherein this two are going to fight for every game they had, either home or away.

If they manage to continue with this performance, we can see them in a really good place at the end of the season. I haven't felt sympathy for the Houston Rockets for a long time, it's like I'm back to the years when Yao Ming played
After such a winning streak, the motivation of the players will be quite high. I think they are strong enough to beat many teams right now

They have a winning streak, it's probably their longest this season so they deserve to be talk about. I have no doubt about this team now because Jalen Green is already playing the way he should be, he will become a father soon, so for sure that's his motivation on how he was able to improve his game now.  The key is, when Green is playing well, the Rockets have a decent chance of winning, and I think it will not stop anytime soon because their succeeding games I think it's a winnable games.

I have my prediction on their coming games.

@utah = win
vs dallas = win
@minnesota = loss
vs GSW = win
vs Miami = loss
@dallas = loss
vs Orlando = loss
@utah = win
@ portland = win
@ LA Clippers = win

[Yaunfitda]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

I think it's refreshing to see a team that started really bad and now trying to get at least in the play-in and fighting it out against the Warriors dynasty. They force OT against one of the best team in OKC ad their own homecourt. And even if SGA didn't play, still this is a great win for the Rockets as they are a huge underdog in this game. One of the longest streak for this season and at a point wherein regular season is about to end. The Warriors also won though, so it will set up wherein this two are going to fight for every game they had, either home or away.

If they manage to continue with this performance, we can see them in a really good place at the end of the season. I haven't felt sympathy for the Houston Rockets for a long time, it's like I'm back to the years when Yao Ming played
After such a winning streak, the motivation of the players will be quite high. I think they are strong enough to beat many teams right now

I think the closest for them to reach the finals is a prime Harden and CP3, but we all know that CP3 got injured and so they lost the series against the Warriors. But in any case here, they are in a winning streak at the end of the season and we can't really ignore that as they chasing for a play-in berth and trying to dislodge the Warriors for the 10th spot. Jalen Green is playing MVP and we all know that teams are backs in the wall and trying to fight for a spot will likely give everything they got so good for them to win against a very great team like OKC.

[Questat]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

They change the pace I guess... they aren't getting a lot of points from a big man but that has awaken the beast within Jalen Green. Their starting 5 is really effective, even Brooks did a great job on that win starting with a back to back 3 point shots in the OT, this guy looks clown but in reality he is clutch.

And it seems the Dillon Brooks has settled with the Rockets, I mean we don't see him getting angry or trying to be in the limelight. He had a good game and good passes as well for easy points for his team.

And then Green has like 7 three point shoot in this game and again, putting MVP caliber numbers to put them for a play-in spot against the Warriors. So this two teams are going for sure to battle in their last remaining games. They will be facing each other on April 5 and that will be a huge game for both of them.

he still didn't change though IMO, I'm seeing the same Brooks who are very productive during his time with Memphis. Maybe the chemistry just got messed when new players are added and he is not comfortable with the play making him to decline his production.

The same goes with Green, with an old coach, he wasn't playing like this and the Rockets are just struggling, but now, with Ime Udoka this young team that is expected to struggle has become a playoff team, maybe not yet official but the way they are playing, those clutch shots are qualities for a team to be called as a playoff team.

[TravelMug]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

They change the pace I guess... they aren't getting a lot of points from a big man but that has awaken the beast within Jalen Green. Their starting 5 is really effective, even Brooks did a great job on that win starting with a back to back 3 point shots in the OT, this guy looks clown but in reality he is clutch.

And it seems the Dillon Brooks has settled with the Rockets, I mean we don't see him getting angry or trying to be in the limelight. He had a good game and good passes as well for easy points for his team.

And then Green has like 7 three point shoot in this game and again, putting MVP caliber numbers to put them for a play-in spot against the Warriors. So this two teams are going for sure to battle in their last remaining games. They will be facing each other on April 5 and that will be a huge game for both of them.

he still didn't change though IMO, I'm seeing the same Brooks who are very productive during his time with Memphis. Maybe the chemistry just got messed when new players are added and he is not comfortable with the play making him to decline his production.

The same goes with Green, with an old coach, he wasn't playing like this and the Rockets are just struggling, but now, with Ime Udoka this young team that is expected to struggle has become a playoff team, maybe not yet official but the way they are playing, those clutch shots are qualities for a team to be called as a playoff team.

For me it's a combination of factors, like you said, Ime Udoka bring his experience in this organization coming from Celtics (which he brought them to the Finals but lost eventually). And then Brooks, who could lead and probably this is what he is doing right now and doesn't want to create anymore distractions. And Jalen Green, highly touted coming in the NBA and supposedly should win the Rookie of the Year. But now everything is working out with them. The experience of Fred VanFleet and Dillon Brooks to lead the not so experience team right now.

[Fredomago]

For me it's a combination of factors, like you said, Ime Udoka bring his experience in this organization coming from Celtics (which he brought them to the Finals but lost eventually). And then Brooks, who could lead and probably this is what he is doing right now and doesn't want to create anymore distractions. And Jalen Green, highly touted coming in the NBA and supposedly should win the Rookie of the Year. But now everything is working out with them. The experience of Fred VanFleet and Dillon Brooks to lead the not so experience team right now.

Yes, the experienced of both Fred and Dillion gives them that matured approach on how coach Ime wants the system to work for the entire teams, we seen respect and trust with all the players who are inside the court, with that good development, this young team might continue to developed and their quest for being a playoff contender might be shaping now, I like the way they are bringing the competition and with all the players are contributing with the roles that they are being assigned, we will see more good games from this team, and maybe the chance of taking the last spot for the play-in still on the process.

[Maslate]

For me it's a combination of factors, like you said, Ime Udoka bring his experience in this organization coming from Celtics (which he brought them to the Finals but lost eventually). And then Brooks, who could lead and probably this is what he is doing right now and doesn't want to create anymore distractions. And Jalen Green, highly touted coming in the NBA and supposedly should win the Rookie of the Year. But now everything is working out with them. The experience of Fred VanFleet and Dillon Brooks to lead the not so experience team right now.

Yes, the experienced of both Fred and Dillion gives them that matured approach on how coach Ime wants the system to work for the entire teams, we seen respect and trust with all the players who are inside the court, with that good development, this young team might continue to developed and their quest for being a playoff contender might be shaping now, I like the way they are bringing the competition and with all the players are contributing with the roles that they are being assigned, we will see more good games from this team, and maybe the chance of taking the last spot for the play-in still on the process.

I'd say it's more on the coach, because before coach Ime Udoka got kicked out from Celtics, he was already building a championship team and that's what the Rockets have probably using, I mean the system. They figure out how to win and now they can't lose, this streak I believe will continue and the Warriors are a high risk of getting replace.

Even with experience players but without a great coach, nothing will happen to a team, that's why when a coach is not delivering as expected, it will likely replace the sooner but Ime Udoka is still with the team and might get an extension due to what he has achieved for this young team so far.

[Oasisman]

The Houston Rockets have been playing incredibly well the last few weeks. They managed to go on a 10-game winning streak. I hope they continue to play like this and we can see them among the best teams at the end of the season.
It is great that they are playing with such a performance while Alperen Şengün is injured. After Şengün recovers, he will play very effectively in such a team. Then the Rockets could be among the best in their conference

I think it's refreshing to see a team that started really bad and now trying to get at least in the play-in and fighting it out against the Warriors dynasty. They force OT against one of the best team in OKC ad their own homecourt. And even if SGA didn't play, still this is a great win for the Rockets as they are a huge underdog in this game. One of the longest streak for this season and at a point wherein regular season is about to end. The Warriors also won though, so it will set up wherein this two are going to fight for every game they had, either home or away.

If they manage to continue with this performance, we can see them in a really good place at the end of the season. I haven't felt sympathy for the Houston Rockets for a long time, it's like I'm back to the years when Yao Ming played
After such a winning streak, the motivation of the players will be quite high. I think they are strong enough to beat many teams right now

The Rockets was one of my favourite team during T-mac days. Though they were doing great lately, but I think it would be more interesting if Sengun was not injured. Looking at the teams they will play against in the next 5 games, it looks like they have a good chance of continuing their streak.
They're only down 2 games against the Warriors, but the Warriors will have to play against 2 weaker teams in the West, so the Rockets would need to continue that streak.

[wheelz1200]

Some surprising type games last night.  What is up with the Celtics losing a prime time game against an undermanned Hawks team??  I know they can lose any game but that one was bad.  They lose weird games

And tonight the Knicks play and keep rolling.  Sitting in the 3 hole with the Bucks losing there is a real shot they can take the 2 spot.  Weirdly enough if they won the first round I'd rather they faced the Celtics in the second round then the Bucks (assuming they both won).  Knicks could never figure out how to contain giannis and its a bad matchup.  Either way excited for the last but of the season to wrap up.

[dwyane36]

I think it safe to say that Lakers can secure for playing Play-In tournament this season. What do you think? No playoffs and Play In tournament for Warriors or Rockets?

There are only nine games left in the regular season. So yeah, I also think the Lakers have already guaranteed themselves a spot in the play-in tournament. They'll probably finish the season in 8th-9th in the standings. There is even a small chance that they can compete for the 6th spot in the remaining games because the difference in winning percentage between the Lakers and teams like the Kings, Suns, and Mavs is quite small.

[boltz]

I think it safe to say that Lakers can secure for playing Play-In tournament this season. What do you think? No playoffs and Play In tournament for Warriors or Rockets?

There are only nine games left in the regular season. So yeah, I also think the Lakers have already guaranteed themselves a spot in the play-in tournament. They'll probably finish the season in 8th-9th in the standings. There is even a small chance that they can compete for the 6th spot in the remaining games because the difference in winning percentage between the Lakers and teams like the Kings, Suns, and Mavs is quite small.

There is still a chance for them to not make it but by the way it looks right now , I think it's safe to say that Lakers will catch play-in tournament.

Yep , finishing 8th or 9th this season should be an achievement for them because a few months ago , Lakers really struggled to get wins. But as soon as they make the play-in , I can't see Lakers having a deep run this year at all.

[LogitechMouse]

Some surprising type games last night.  What is up with the Celtics losing a prime time game against an undermanned Hawks team??  I know they can lose any game but that one was bad.  They lose weird games

And tonight the Knicks play and keep rolling.  Sitting in the 3 hole with the Bucks losing there is a real shot they can take the 2 spot.  Weirdly enough if they won the first round I'd rather they faced the Celtics in the second round then the Bucks (assuming they both won).  Knicks could never figure out how to contain giannis and its a bad matchup.  Either way excited for the last but of the season to wrap up.

Murray transformed into "Kobe Bryant" (RIP) on that game. Scoring 44 points in 45 shots, and hitting the game winner to upset the Celtics not once, but twice.
Now the problem with the Celtics is slowly appearing. They don't have somebody that can make better decisions at the end of the game. TBH, with this lose, I'm starting to have doubts with the Celtics right now. I mean how they can lose twice to an undermanned Hawks? How they can compete in the playoffs if they play like this.

As for the Knicks, they are only 1.5 games behind the Bucks, and they don't even have Anunoby and Randle on the team because of injuries. I guess it's good that Hart, and DiVicenzo started to step up offensively. In times Brunson needed help on offense, these 2 players stepped up. Credits to Coach Thibs. I hope that both of them will play like this during the playoffs as well.
I just want to bring up how the LA Clippers are in a doom even though they're in the 4th spot. Just so you know, the Clippers are 1-9 against playoff teams since Feb. 6th. In their 10 remaining games, 6 of those are against playoff teams. They are only 0.5 games above the 5th seeded Pelicans, and only 2.5 games above the Suns. If the so-called "Clippers curse" continues, they might be in trouble. I just hope that their lose streak against playoff teams will be over because they need to have a better standing come playoffs.

I guess we can all stay that the top 3 spots from the West will be a fight between Denver, Oklahoma City, and Minnesota.

[danherbias07]

I just want to bring up how the LA Clippers are in a doom even though they're in the 4th spot. Just so you know, the Clippers are 1-9 against playoff teams since Feb. 6th. In their 10 remaining games, 6 of those are against playoff teams. They are only 0.5 games above the 5th seeded Pelicans, and only 2.5 games above the Suns. If the so-called "Clippers curse" continues, they might be in trouble. I just hope that their lose streak against playoff teams will be over because they need to have a better standing come playoffs.

I guess we can all stay that the top 3 spots from the West will be a fight between Denver, Oklahoma City, and Minnesota.

I agree. I don't really like how the Clippers are playing, it's like they are not a team there. Those 4 wins out of the 10 recent are like lucky wins. They are not that dominating at all like all the teams who are winning at 0.500 and above. I mean the Lakers are actually playing more like a team to them because of the chemistry they are showing and they are truly entertaining to watch.

About those three, Denver might actually be in trouble if Jamal Murray is unhealthy. They won the championship last year because of him and Jokic playing at their best. But we saw how they lost against the Phoenix Suns without him. The energy was not there for the Nuggets and Jokic was always frustrated with the broken plays that he set up. They will be playing like the Nuggets when Jamal was injured and we all saw how bad was it.
Timberwolves on the other hand already proved they can step up their game without KAT. I think they will have a better chance to make it to the last round of the West.

[Minecache]

What a game by Murray carrying the Hawks and sink a game winner in the OT.

The Celtics were complete, they were even -16 favorite in the betting sites but this Hawks are in serious business, and they hand the Celtics 2 losses from them. It was a fun game, completely entertaining like a playoffs game, so now, I think the Celtics are still vulnerable and still have the weakness they have before. The problem with them is that they tend to play one on one basketball when the game is close, in this game it's mostly Tatum and they are forgetting the 3 point shots which they are also good at.

With that, atlanta hopes are still alive as they are in the rank number 10 with 4 win streak.

Still has a chance in the play-in tournament.
They just need 2 wins in that mini tournament and if Dejounte Murray will play like a monster in each game then I bet they can steal that 8th spot from either the Bulls or the 76ers. We know the 76ers don't have Embiid yet and I don't think he play soon. But the same goes with the Hawks without Trae Young and no clear date on when he will be back.
The Hawks' win was surprising considering they are battling against the top seed of the East Boston Celtics. The spread was -14.5 so I don't think even their fans and the gamblers are expecting them to win. This is a big upset and I think it will help to bring the confidence of the Hawks players considering they are undermanned now with so many teammates being injured.

The Pelicans also won their game against the Bucks. Another upset. I lost some money on both games but that was amazing to see how unpredictable the NBA could be.

Zion Williamson and CJ performed well for the Pelicans. For the Bucks Giannis, Lillard and Beasley performed well but they did not get enough support from the other players of the team. And I think that is the reason why they have not been able to win the game in the end. The Bucks actually lost the game in the second quarter. They were actually never able to recover from that situation. They were able to get more points in the next two quarters. But that was never going to be enough for them to win the game.

[el kaka22]

Lakers definitely guaranteed a place at play-in there is nothing wrong with that. However, they have been on a roll lately and there is a possibility that they can be 8th seed as well, if that happens then they will face easier chance to get there. I am pretty sure that they will want that, it would mean a first round possibility easier.

8th seed plays against 1st seed come playoff time, so that is going to be of course tough there is nothing easy about that but they have Lebron, so if they go to playoffs then they will always be a tough team. I am not sure what they will do in the end, but they do look like they figured something out in the end there, and doing much better thanks to that, whatever it is, they should keep doing it.

[Twentyonepaylots]

For me it's a combination of factors, like you said, Ime Udoka bring his experience in this organization coming from Celtics (which he brought them to the Finals but lost eventually). And then Brooks, who could lead and probably this is what he is doing right now and doesn't want to create anymore distractions. And Jalen Green, highly touted coming in the NBA and supposedly should win the Rookie of the Year. But now everything is working out with them. The experience of Fred VanFleet and Dillon Brooks to lead the not so experience team right now.

Yes, the experienced of both Fred and Dillion gives them that matured approach on how coach Ime wants the system to work for the entire teams, we seen respect and trust with all the players who are inside the court, with that good development, this young team might continue to developed and their quest for being a playoff contender might be shaping now, I like the way they are bringing the competition and with all the players are contributing with the roles that they are being assigned, we will see more good games from this team, and maybe the chance of taking the last spot for the play-in still on the process.

I really like what the Houston Rockets are cooking in here. They hire a good coach, which is Emeka. Even though he has some issues with Boston, Houston has taken the risk of hiring him to run, build, and create a culture there in Houston after James departure. I think Emeka is one of the reasons why James' comeback to Houston is voided, since he wants to create something, a culture, so, if you think about it, signing Fred makes much more sense than signing Harden. Harden might become a diva to the time and might chuck all the shots and may steal the spotlight from the young players. With Vanvleet, he can be the veteran guard that can help the young players develop and be the voice in the locker room. They also sign Brooks, which can be an energizer for the team; he can add shooting and defense for the team.
 
Adding these veterans really boosts their roster because one of the reasons the Rockets sucked too much last season is that they don't have a veteran presence that can say what the wrongs and rights of the young players are. This season, Vanvleet and Brooks can call them out and discipline them.

[Baofeng]

I think it safe to say that Lakers can secure for playing Play-In tournament this season. What do you think? No playoffs and Play In tournament for Warriors or Rockets?

There are only nine games left in the regular season. So yeah, I also think the Lakers have already guaranteed themselves a spot in the play-in tournament. They'll probably finish the season in 8th-9th in the standings. There is even a small chance that they can compete for the 6th spot in the remaining games because the difference in winning percentage between the Lakers and teams like the Kings, Suns, and Mavs is quite small.

There is still a chance for them to not make it but by the way it looks right now , I think it's safe to say that Lakers will catch play-in tournament.

Yep , finishing 8th or 9th this season should be an achievement for them because a few months ago , Lakers really struggled to get wins. But as soon as they make the play-in , I can't see Lakers having a deep run this year at all.

Right, I think they can surely make the play-in, with the way they are playing lately, they are also in a 5 game winning streak and everyone is healthy including AD and just like the Rockets, it seems that they have flipped a switch or something to really play this good and position themselves.

I don't care who they are going to face in the playoffs though, it's a 7 game series, so even if they got the best team in the West, whether Denver of SGA lead OKC, the Lakers are going to be hard to sweep and will give that team a run for the money.